• OK, it's on.
  • Please note that many, many Email Addresses used for spam, are not accepted at registration. Select a respectable Free email.
  • Done now. Domine miserere nobis.

What is it like being a genious?

Grayman

Soul Shade
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 8, 2013
Messages
4,418
---
Location
You basement
Middle English: via Old French from Latin affectio(n-), from afficere ‘to influence’.

You can influence an individual to concentrate oon their own needs and values over your own as a unselfish influence.
 

computerhxr

Village Idiot
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Oct 21, 2014
Messages
789
---
Location
beyond space and time
Because I have no value.

If you have no value, then how you can affect anything? How does having no value cause you to act with affection?


Edit: Rather than continue this exchange, I want to point something out.

To desire is selfish. Influence itself can happen with our without desire. In the case of the cat, the desire is reciprocated.

To manipulate is a deceptive exchange that has an affect. It is deceptive because there is an illusion of selflessness.
 

Grayman

Soul Shade
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 8, 2013
Messages
4,418
---
Location
You basement
If you have no value, then how you can affect anything? How does having no value cause you to act with affection?

Edit:

Rather than continue this exchange, I want to point something out.

To desire is selfish. Influence itself can happen with our without desire. In the case of the cat, the desire is reciprocated, which is a selfless act.

To manipulate is a deceptive exchange that has an affect. It is deceptive because there is an illusion of selflessness.

I cannot supply value to myself but others can to themselves and those around them and so if they have meaning where I do not I must attend to that meaning they create.
 

computerhxr

Village Idiot
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Oct 21, 2014
Messages
789
---
Location
beyond space and time
I cannot supply value to myself but others can to themselves and those around them and so if they have meaning where I do not I must attend to that meaning they create.

Someone else must have chose your avatar and screen name because you couldn't do it yourself. After all, that would be a self-assigned value.

:rolleyes:
 

Grayman

Soul Shade
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 8, 2013
Messages
4,418
---
Location
You basement
Someone else must have chose your avatar and screen name because you couldn't do it yourself. After all, that would be a self-assigned value.

:rolleyes:

I have preferences like candy tastes good and they sun makes me feel warm but that is not a value or have any great meaning in life.

My existence has no meaning therefore others are always priority. When my life enters theirs and becomes a part of theirs my life gains meaning through them. My preferences are my own but they are hardly the driving forces of purpose and meaning in our life's greatest goals.
 

Grayman

Soul Shade
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 8, 2013
Messages
4,418
---
Location
You basement
You gave me priority in the exchange? :rolleyes:

Can we at least agree that cats are smarter than humans?

:tinykitball:

Do you think me being accepting of your logic without providing opposition would be somehow beneficial to you?

I dont understand how you define intelligence so I cannot. Or perhaps we should ask the cat...you seem to prefer its opinion ovrr yours.

Intelligence is a meaningless term created by those who wish denote superiority where there objectively can be none. The mental wiring of each animal provides different function and either it is useful to its goals or is not.
 

computerhxr

Village Idiot
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Oct 21, 2014
Messages
789
---
Location
beyond space and time
Do you think me being accepting of your logic without providing opposition would be somehow beneficial to you?

Your actions are inconsistent with your words. It would be like me saying I'm not an ass. I don't go around claiming that I'm not. I try not to be, but sometimes I can't help it.

I dont understand how you define intelligence so I cannot. Or perhaps we should ask the cat...you seem to prefer its opinion ovrr yours.

The thread is about genius, not intelligence. Yes, lets ask the cat.

Sorry, he's busy...

:tinykitball:

Intelligence is a meaningless term created by those who wish denote superiority where there objectively can be none. The mental wiring of each animal provides different function and either it is useful to its goals or is not.

You assume it means superiority, when that is not what intelligence is.

I think that's the point of the thread...

Genius is ingenuity. It simply is a word for someone who works to solve problems. They don't have to be big complicated ones. They can be small and insignificant.

Cat wants affection, so it gives affection. Genius! It also gets a warm place to live, lots of toys, food, milk, and TV to watch. I envy cats because I have to work my ass off just to have a place to sleep. So yeah cats are definitely more ingenious than myself.
 

nexion

coalescing in diffusion
Local time
Today 5:03 AM
Joined
May 31, 2010
Messages
2,027
---
Location
tartarus
There are plenty of smart people here who know exactly what I am talking about. I want to hear from them.

I was going to post a clip of homer simpson being a genius but I can't find one that will do the job.

My biggest problem with most of the people I interact with in real life being less intelligent than me (this is not arrogance, it is a pure and simple fact) is not being able to have personally meaningful and satisfying conversations with others. I find it to usually be the case that, in group settings, I sit in the corner of the room and merely listen to other people talk, or I zone out and think about something else entirely. Regardless of context and setting, I often find the information exchanged vapid and pointless, and then when I do care enough to say something, it is often ignored, not heard, or misunderstood.

Let me tell you though, the internet fixes all of that. Written communication ensures that no one is heard over another merely by virtue of one being louder, and I easily find people with whom I can actually relate with and talk to without feeling like I have to censor my normal method of expression for some reason or another.

One thing to note, just like all types have different struggles, so too do people with varying levels of intelligence, or really people who vary in any way. Every unique personality carries with it a unique set of skills and difficulties.
 

Yellow

for the glory of satan
Local time
Today 3:03 AM
Joined
Sep 2, 2009
Messages
2,897
---
Location
127.0.0.1
I really hate the word genius. There is something so ridiculously pompous to me about bragging on IQ scores. As if hitting that 136 mark makes you somehow better than everyone else. As if a score of 180 makes you're more capable than someone with a score of 120 (especially considering the test's accuracy significantly degrades after a score of 140). Why do we even indulge the anyone with these practically arbitrary numbers?

I grew up in a family of people who think themselves geniuses. I was taught (mostly through example) to make it clear that I was the smartest person in the room, and that it proved that I was better. I was simultaneously told that being a genius meant I was automatically unable to relate to people of a significantly lower intelligence. As it turns out, they were partly right. My "genius" family members do seem pretty dull now, and it truly is difficult for me to relate to them.

However, I'm able to relate to practically anyone who is intellectually curious. I've had enjoyable, meaningful conversations with crack addicts, historians, illiterate prison inmates, Scientologists, investment bankers, pregnant teens, physicists, Twilight fans, and even ESFJs. No two people are going to share an identical knowledge base, and it is uncommon for two people to problem-solve at the same pace, but those things aren't terribly important.

I'll stop rambling now, but I figured this was as good a place as any for this rant.
 

StevenM

beep
Local time
Today 5:03 AM
Joined
Apr 11, 2014
Messages
1,077
---
I heard something a long while back, though I can't seem to find it on the internet, so i'll have to recall it as best as I can from memory and you may excuse this as subjective diarrhea.

I've read the word genius came from a belief from many years ago that all original and insightful thought came not from a mortal individual, but from a spiritual deity or .... 'genie'.

They believed that every person had access to this genie, that is, when the genie decided the time was right to give them insight.

These remarkable intelligent creations of ideas and art did not flow consistently at any time, but more like clouds hovering by, and a person would have to be ready and watching, alert for the time when these things were shown to him, and get to work right away at making it into the fruition of reality.

If a person was to wait until later, the idea would pass, and so would the opportunity in bringing it out into light.

Anyways, I always thought that's where the word genius came from. Somehow, it got changed from being something from an outside force from one's self, to it being inherent of a person's personality. Over the years, we have attached it more towards our own ego.
 

computerhxr

Village Idiot
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Oct 21, 2014
Messages
789
---
Location
beyond space and time
However, I'm able to relate to practically anyone who is intellectually curious. I've had enjoyable, meaningful conversations with crack addicts, historians, illiterate prison inmates, Scientologists, investment bankers, pregnant teens, physicists, Twilight fans, and even ESFJs. No two people are going to share an identical knowledge base, and it is uncommon for two people to problem-solve at the same pace, but those things aren't terribly important.

That's fantastic! I feel basically the same way. I just don't like people who are closed minded. So I guess it doesn't matter if they are "intellectually curious" or not.

I like your avatar! I've been wanting to read "The Power of Movement in Plants" by Darwin. Your avatar reminds me of why I want to read it.

:smoker:
 

Grayman

Soul Shade
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 8, 2013
Messages
4,418
---
Location
You basement
Your actions are inconsistent with your words. It would be like me saying I'm not an ass. I don't go around claiming that I'm not. I try not to be, but sometimes I can't help it.



The thread is about genius, not intelligence. Yes, lets ask the cat.

Sorry, he's busy...

:tinykitball:



You assume it means superiority, when that is not what intelligence is.

I think that's the point of the thread...

Genius is ingenuity. It simply is a word for someone who works to solve problems. They don't have to be big complicated ones. They can be small and insignificant.

Cat wants affection, so it gives affection. Genius! It also gets a warm place to live, lots of toys, food, milk, and TV to watch. I envy cats because I have to work my ass off just to have a place to sleep. So yeah cats are definitely more ingenious than myself.


Genius still follows suit. Is creativity genius in and of itself or is it only genius if you deem the creation valuable in some way .... although not necessarily useful in a more tangible way but still useful if not through influential means. It is still a matter of the viewer and what they think is important vs what the suppossed genius is capable of.
 

ENTP lurker

Usually useless
Local time
Today 10:03 AM
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
228
---
Location
Pluto, solar system
People sincerely call me genius. They think that my IQ is super high. It is not and I'm not a genius. If it refers to IQ then it brings out problems. High IQ is not same as originality. So there you have first logical mismatch dedicated for you Te brains out there. And if somebody happens to to have some unusual skill operating in your brains then you are savant and if not very smart then you are an idiot savant. Nice. Can I suggest new terms to patch definitions?

Of course normal people don't do above classifications. Stupid categories that are partially designed to help people with psychological complexes.

I'm more like a genie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OCF_icJIYU
[Although Robin Williams was an ESFJ but we have similar moments from time to time. Especially male ESFJs can be very deceptive and there are plenty of ESFJ comedians mistyped as ENxPs.]
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
Genius still follows suit. Is creativity genius in and of itself or is it only genius if you deem the creation valuable in some way .... although not necessarily useful in a more tangible way but still useful if not through influential means. It is still a matter of the viewer and what they think is important vs what the suppossed genius is capable of.

This strikes home to me. This is kinda my original question I had when making the thread. So lets say you have a person who is so original that they don't fit in and are never quite recognized for their ability to be original. Does this make them a genius or just a goof ball? So does something have to be useful in order to be intelligent? What would go along with this is is problem solving the underpinning quality someone must have in order to gauge their intelligence? I remember when I took and official IQ test when I was in the hospital and I was only complying to take it so I wouldn't have negative consequences. Anyways I did poorly on it and don't know my result but basically I did not care one bit how I did on the test cuz I was in survival mode (understatement). So since I scored really bad on the IQ test does this mean I have a lower intelligence?
 

Grayman

Soul Shade
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 8, 2013
Messages
4,418
---
Location
You basement
This strikes home to me. This is kinda my original question I had when making the thread. So lets say you have a person who is so original that they don't fit in and are never quite recognized for their ability to be original. Does this make them a genius or just a goof ball? So does something have to be useful in order to be intelligent? What would go along with this is is problem solving the underpinning quality someone must have in order to gauge their intelligence? I remember when I took and official IQ test when I was in the hospital and I was only complying to take it so I wouldn't have negative consequences. Anyways I did poorly on it and don't know my result but basically I did not care one bit how I did on the test cuz I was in survival mode (understatement). So since I scored really bad on the IQ test does this mean I have a lower intelligence?

You are obviously intelligent. Memory, speed, recall, and pattern recog. These are all things an IQ test evaluates. Who needs an intelligent person when you have Siri at the palm of your hand?

A test cannot fully account for creative thought which is what makes a person more valuable than a machine.
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
You are obviously intelligent. Memory, speed, recall, and pattern recog. These are all things an IQ test evaluates. Who needs an intelligent person when you have Siri at the palm of your hand?

A test cannot fully account for creative thought which is what makes a person more valuable than a machine.

As nice as that sounds, it is not true. Smart people follow the rules and do as they're told and end up being who they were meant to be, destined to be. They are the game changers: the ones who learn from experience and build upon a structure already created and improve it to a level unparalleled which has not been seen anywhere in history. These are the people who can actually make a difference.
 

Polaris

Prolific Member
Local time
Yesterday 11:03 PM
Joined
Oct 13, 2009
Messages
2,261
---
^ That does not necessarily make one a genius, just smart.

As Grayman stated earlier, the definition of genius is dependent on what is valued. It is a term applied to people who have achieved extraordinary things where it has been correlated with a high IQ, if known. However, we are forgetting the hundreds of thousands of people of 'normal' intelligence who achieve extraordinary things that are not necessarily valued by our current achievement definitions.

Forgive me if I may be stating the obvious here, but just because one is smart does not imply that one will achieve goals that one aspire to. It depends heavily on one's emotional starting platform in life.

If someone had their wings clipped early on, it is very difficult or even impossible to rely on intelligence alone (pure intellectual intelligence). If you struggle with personal issues, depression, anxiety, etc, these will serve as major distractions from what you really aspire to be/do. A sound emotional basis provides you with a very important aspect of what is needed for success (which, by the way is an entirely subjective concept). This is simple sheer grit and hard work, which requires not only emotional strength, but also an unfaltering commitment to specific long and short-term goals. Added to that, you have to be passionate about what you are doing, and see hindrances as temporary challenges, not dead ends.

Being happy in one's life does not imply a constant state of bliss. What makes humans tick is overcoming personal challenges and achieving tasks and goals on a daily and general basis. If one starts in the small one will gradually build strength and confidence as one task is completed at the time. I liken it to climbing a mountain. If you stand at the bottom of the mountain and look up, it looks impossible. Then you begin to take the first steps, and each step is a challenge that requires problem solving which distracts you from that end goal. Whenever you have worked your way past one step, you have this sense of achievement which propels you further forwards -- and suddenly you look up -- and you find yourself at the top.

The problem most of us struggle with is that we want to get somewhere fast -- we look too far ahead where we are encountered with disproportionally large challenges that stops us in our tracks. We look at other people around us and make the mistake of comparing. Here is where so-called geniuses perhaps have an advantage, but it really depends on their field of expertise. In this case, it is more about insight into one's personal strengths and limitations that will enable an individual to make the right decisions about what tools are needed to be able to advance. It's just a patience game.
 

TBerg

fallen angel who hasn't earned his wings
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Oct 8, 2013
Messages
2,453
---
Polaris just summed up my problems better than I could have managed to tease out of repression myself, and I don't have the intelligence to keep me one detached step ahead of everyone every single time. Apparently I have processing speed and memory issues, as well as an inability to grasp mathematical logic the way it needs to be grasped. Anyone have any ideas for increasing one's ability to focus?

Holy shit. I think I just figured out what pushed me more towards detachment: a repressed worry of my parents abandoning me.
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
^ That does not necessarily make one a genius, just smart.

As Grayman stated earlier, the definition of genius is dependent on what is valued. It is a term applied to people who have achieved extraordinary things where it has been correlated with a high IQ, if known. However, we are forgetting the hundreds of thousands of people of 'normal' intelligence who achieve extraordinary things that are not necessarily valued by our current achievement definitions.

Forgive me if I may be stating the obvious here, but just because one is smart does not imply that one will achieve goals that one aspire to. It depends heavily on one's emotional starting platform in life.

If someone had their wings clipped early on, it is very difficult or even impossible to rely on intelligence alone (pure intellectual intelligence). If you struggle with personal issues, depression, anxiety, etc, these will serve as major distractions from what you really aspire to be/do. A sound emotional basis provides you with a very important aspect of what is needed for success (which, by the way is an entirely subjective concept). This is simple sheer grit and hard work, which requires not only emotional strength, but also an unfaltering commitment to specific long and short-term goals. Added to that, you have to be passionate about what you are doing, and see hindrances as temporary challenges, not dead ends.

Being happy in one's life does not imply a constant state of bliss. What makes humans tick is overcoming personal challenges and achieving tasks and goals on a daily and general basis. If one starts in the small one will gradually build strength and confidence as one task is completed at the time. I liken it to climbing a mountain. If you stand at the bottom of the mountain and look up, it looks impossible. Then you begin to take the first steps, and each step is a challenge that requires problem solving which distracts you from that end goal. Whenever you have worked your way past one step, you have this sense of achievement which propels you further forwards -- and suddenly you look up -- and you find yourself at the top.

The problem most of us struggle with is that we want to get somewhere fast -- we look too far ahead where we are encountered with disproportionally large challenges that stops us in our tracks. We look at other people around us and make the mistake of comparing. Here is where so-called geniuses perhaps have an advantage, but it really depends on their field of expertise. In this case, it is more about insight into one's personal strengths and limitations that will enable an individual to make the right decisions about what tools are needed to be able to advance. It's just a patience game.

Polaris just summed up my problems better than I could have managed to tease out of repression myself, and I don't have the intelligence to keep me one detached step ahead of everyone every single time. Apparently I have processing speed and memory issues, as well as an inability to grasp mathematical logic the way it needs to be grasped. Anyone have any ideas for increasing one's ability to focus?

Holy shit. I think I just figured out what pushed me more towards detachment: a repressed worry of my parents abandoning me.

Ah, well said Polaris. That was right on teh mark. I wasn't proclaiming myself a genius by any stretch of the imagination, just so we're clear on that. I also didn't mean to have my comment be at all totalistic in answering the question; I was honestly just giving my take on it and calling it like I saw it and was hoping someone would give me something more to work with. As far as the wing clipping analogy goes, along with what I said about doing what is inherited to you, I would say encouragement in any form given to the person set on success and supporting their goals may not be entirely necessary but absolutely will not hurt them in perusing their goals. Being raised in a well to do family only increases the chance that you will be successful, but again is not necessary for someone to climb to the top of the success latter as there are countless examples of people reaching the top by shear determination alone. Then again, if you are to be a true success, someone is going to have to take a chance on you and value what you are doing and do some encouraging or helping one way or another, unless your goal is to live like an animal in the wilderness, which can be done with the right upbringing alone however particular it may be.

The truth: People have it harder than they generally give others credit for, unless the person is both completely realistic and empathetic which does not come to everyone and you have to have the right sort of temperament for that sort of thing. And head problems, however severe the mental illness is, ranging from mild depression to any number of horrendous combinations of other ones which also can include depression, can happen to just about anyone at varying times in their life, which like you said can be a great deterrer to a persons emotional well being. Also I would say being brought up in a chaotic environment can also do serious harm to someones mental fortitude and emotional perseverance no matter what their genetics look like.

TBH, we should all be in pursuit for empathy to others and self discovery just as much as we should strive to accomplish our short term and long term and lifetime goals. Doing all this really takes quite a bit of balancing regardless of how smart someone is. There are always variables that we cannot hope to foresee and how exactly life will take its toll on us. I've seen and heard of couple who were happily married for 20 years all the sudden call it quits. The people we are around influences us much more than is often see at face value. It can either lead to emotional distress or pure bliss depending on how well we are able to adapt to others point of view. This is why empathy is important. Without it we will never truly be able to get along with those close to us and there will always be conflicts that start in our heads, but will eventually bubble to the surface until there is a choice to be made on whether we can tolerate what would appear to be a challenge to our own personal views. Self discovery is obviously immensely important to peoples of a healthy mind and without the personal journey to take a closer look at what we intrinsically value we will never have the peace of mind that would otherwise be unattainable.
 

DaDaMan

Dissident Resident
Local time
Today 10:03 AM
Joined
Oct 24, 2010
Messages
52
---
Location
in your FACE!
Its hard man, its really hard.

Haha, just kidding. Im no genius.
 

Teffnology

Valar Morghulis
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
244
---
Location
Grass Valley, CA (small town near Sacramento)
In order of significance...

Intellectual Genius.
Creative Genius.
Literary Genius.
Musical Genius.
Fart Genius.
Super Genius.
Super-Duper Genius.
Cats.


Evil genius didn't make the cut? Hitler, Napoleon, George W Bush, etc
 

Teffnology

Valar Morghulis
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 17, 2015
Messages
244
---
Location
Grass Valley, CA (small town near Sacramento)
Compartmentalizing them in a vaccum, all exhibited perceptively evil ways of implementing the achievement of their ultimate goal during their reign. Case by case that could be argued for all 3. Hitler doesn't really fit in a vaccum though does he... haha he gets the daily pineapple insertion instead
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/SfPX9K83Ows/maxresdefault.jpg
 

DaDaMan

Dissident Resident
Local time
Today 10:03 AM
Joined
Oct 24, 2010
Messages
52
---
Location
in your FACE!
Evil genius didn't make the cut? Hitler, Napoleon, George W Bush, etc

There is no such thing as an evil genius, its an oxymoron. Geniuses cannot be evil.

Hitler was no genius.

Napoleon, perhaps, but I see him more as highly intelligent than a genius. I don't think he was particularly evil as such.
 

Rundown Rundown

Redshirt
Local time
Today 10:03 AM
Joined
Feb 9, 2015
Messages
2
---
I'm not going to say I'm a genius, because IQ tests don't mean anything. But as a point of reference I scored a 134. Problems that make my intelligence/whatever a curse is that I don't socialize, have maybe 1 friend. Mostly because I don't show very many emotions at all.. my voice is monotone, so people might think I'm boring, rude, or burnt out. I also deal with a ritalin addiction, because it puts me into a trancelike state of complex thought chains.
 

computerhxr

Village Idiot
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Oct 21, 2014
Messages
789
---
Location
beyond space and time
I'm not going to say I'm a genius, because IQ tests don't mean anything. But as a point of reference I scored a 134. Problems that make my intelligence/whatever a curse is that I don't socialize, have maybe 1 friend. Mostly because I don't show very many emotions at all.. my voice is monotone, so people might think I'm boring, rude, or burnt out. I also deal with a ritalin addiction, because it puts me into a trancelike state of complex thought chains.

You sound like a typical INTP.
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
Vitamin R, good stuff.
 

Sockrates

Active Member
Local time
Today 10:03 AM
Joined
Jan 29, 2015
Messages
242
---
Location
Right Behind You
Has it been determined what the definition of genius is? Especially in OP's opinion?

That'd make it clearer to give an answer.
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
I took this from another thread:

Genius use to be a specific term. A term that puts an individual in the upper 2.5% of the population of people who have taken a specific test. This test was found to not be an accurate measurement of intelligence thereby making the classification of genius somewhat erroneous and now is a term open to interpretation. The human language and its classification's are a fluid rather than stagnant or static representation of what those classifications and words actually mean and they change, sometimes significantly, over time. The terminology and dichotomy we use today as a whole is quite a bit different that what it was even 100 years ago. To understand this is to know that given enough time any word or classification can change over time. With this said and given the nature of the word 'genius' it should be no surprise that at this point in time we will not either as a forum basis, nor as a universal basis, ever fully agree on this term.

If I was personally going to put a definition on the word 'genius' it would be this: a person who has a quality of greatness to them for their pursuits, which changes how or what, and even why things are done by others for a period after they have accomplished this greatness from their pursuits; the more widely spread the change is made from a universal perspective, the the more genuine the quality of the person of said genius.
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
Oh okay, then no, I know of no geniuses nor do I know what it would be like to be one.

There can be a genius within a household though...
 

Vion

Banned
Local time
Today 5:03 AM
Joined
Sep 24, 2012
Messages
94
---
Location
maryland
The wording "Kung fu" predates genius and gives better examples. I think we are all Genius in our own way. Some people have an exceptional intellectual ability to be prone to failure. Their keen accuracy in being directly wrong about everything is at a very Genius level. You see all these comparisons are about accountability that is the underlying trait of genius.
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
The wording "Kung fu" predates genius and gives better examples. I think we are all Genius in our own way. Some people have an exceptional intellectual ability to be prone to failure. Their keen accuracy in being directly wrong about everything is at a very Genius level. You see all these comparisons are about accountability that is the underlying trait of genius.

BZZZT!!! Wrong!. Genius is inherently a sign of superior intellect compared to others. If everyone was a genius, no one would be a genius. Such poor poor logic.
 

Sockrates

Active Member
Local time
Today 10:03 AM
Joined
Jan 29, 2015
Messages
242
---
Location
Right Behind You
BZZZT!!! Wrong!. Genius is inherently a sign of superior intellect compared to others. If everyone was a genius, no one would be a genius. Such poor poor logic.

Relax. He's clearly young. How about help show him why he's wrong instead of being an ass?
 

Vion

Banned
Local time
Today 5:03 AM
Joined
Sep 24, 2012
Messages
94
---
Location
maryland
Relax. He's clearly young. How about help show him why he's wrong instead of being an ass?

He was helping me by providing himself as an example for a "genius of wrong". See the apparent blind sided narcissism in his reply and yet he has no means to make such a comparison. Then he completely rejects reality through a mathematical fallacy of composition:

IF everyone was _____ THEN no one would be ______.

Judging by the flamboyant onomatopoeia I would say he was joking. I see this humor often online among INTJ, is it not common on an NT forum?
 

Grayman

Soul Shade
Local time
Today 2:03 AM
Joined
Jan 8, 2013
Messages
4,418
---
Location
You basement
The wording "Kung fu" predates genius and gives better examples. I think we are all Genius in our own way. Some people have an exceptional intellectual ability to be prone to failure. Their keen accuracy in being directly wrong about everything is at a very Genius level. You see all these comparisons are about accountability that is the underlying trait of genius.

A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery. ~James Joyce, Ulysses
 

TBerg

fallen angel who hasn't earned his wings
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Oct 8, 2013
Messages
2,453
---
A genius is etymologically a generating spirit. If you think everyone has a generating spirit, then that's up to you.
 

Black Rose

An unbreakable bond
Local time
Today 3:03 AM
Joined
Apr 4, 2010
Messages
11,431
---
Location
with mama
A genius is etymologically a generating spirit. If you think everyone has a generating spirit, then that's up to you.

some generate more
they are above average, outliers
do we really do less, yes
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...
He was helping me by providing himself as an example for a "genius of wrong". See the apparent blind sided narcissism in his reply and yet he has no means to make such a comparison. Then he completely rejects reality through a mathematical fallacy of composition:

IF everyone was _____ THEN no one would be ______.

Judging by the flamboyant onomatopoeia I would say he was joking. I see this humor often online among INTJ, is it not common on an NT forum?

All I have to say is that I am clearly not a genius.
 

Sockrates

Active Member
Local time
Today 10:03 AM
Joined
Jan 29, 2015
Messages
242
---
Location
Right Behind You
He was helping me by providing himself as an example for a "genius of wrong". See the apparent blind sided narcissism in his reply and yet he has no means to make such a comparison. Then he completely rejects reality through a mathematical fallacy of composition:

IF everyone was _____ THEN no one would be ______.

Judging by the flamboyant onomatopoeia I would say he was joking. I see this humor often online among INTJ, is it not common on an NT forum?

That's true.

It may be common, but not to that flamboyancy. It's generally much more subtle. At least by myself, an INTJ. As you'll see by my response at the bottom of this post.

A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery. ~James Joyce, Ulysses

That's interesting. By that definition I may be a genius, but I think there needs to be much more added to this short quote.

All I have to say is that I am clearly not a genius.

We were all unsure, thanks for clearing that up.
 

QuickTwist

Spiritual "Woo"
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Jan 24, 2013
Messages
7,182
---
Location
...

Vion

Banned
Local time
Today 5:03 AM
Joined
Sep 24, 2012
Messages
94
---
Location
maryland
Local time
Today 4:03 AM
Joined
Feb 19, 2015
Messages
31
---
Location
Dallas, TX
Eh, genius is a loaded word; so I'll just assume you meant "someone who has more 'book smarts' and has gained a good understanding on many things compared to most others".

If that's what you mean, then I'll take being ignorant and stupid any day.

1. Funny thing about being (or perceived as) intelligent, is the more you know and understand... the more you realize how little you know and understand (Dunning-Kruger effect, yay). I feel like I'm an idiot constantly, because I know how little I freaking know about subjects that I know more about than almost everyone I talk to.

Biggest pet peeve is someone who pretends to know something they don't, and trying to show off. Probably out of resentment for the fact they don't feel like an idiot too, but I'll listen and wait and then chime into the conversation asking them something related to what they're talking about using words they don't understand.

The dumbfounded look is always worth it.

2. It's lonely as hell. All the things I want to talk about, I have to get on the internet to find someone with enough understanding to know what I'm talking about. Hanging out in neuroscience / software development forums and discussing with experts ideas I've had that they find plausible / without faults is always validating (self-taugh everything I know), but it's so much better to talk to someone in real life.

3. It's expensive. College text books are not cheap. I can't go to a library and read something, I have to go to Amazon.com and spend $150 to $300 on a textbook. My wish list is like 10 pages long of books I want still but haven't had the money to buy yet. Academic journal subscriptions are in the thousands of dollars, and to see just one article behind a paywall costs ~$40. How the hell am I supposed to determine if my hypothesis of Gs and Gi protein channels in cells being cross wired could be a potential physical cause for ADD/ADHD, when I can't read majority of the stuff newer than the last decade.

4. People think you're crazy (when you try to explain something they don't understand); or think you're paranoid (when you recognize someone's a Psychopath and they've turned everyone against you). I was familiar with sociopaths, but he didn't give off any of their behavioral signatures. By the time I realized it, he'd convinced friends into thinking I was manipulating/controlling them and when I tried to tell them it was him doing it.... they thought I was crazy AND paranoid because I couldn't explain to them how to determine if someone is a psychopath. Hint: They're damn good at having plausible deniability for EVERYTHING. I've never in my life seen someone so good at lying/seeding distrust. He would discover a secret about someone, and tell each person one of the others told him. Plant "evidence"to make you think someone is doing something behind your back, but in a manner you'll discover it when he isn't around. Everyone started distrusting everyone but him...

5. Sometimes I wonder if I'm just delusional and am crazy, and really don't understand the things I think I do. And I don't have anyone more intelligent than me to rely on for reassurance.

---

Ignorance is bliss. I'll trade my successful career and understanding, and the things that come "easy" for me, for a life of ignorance. It's just draining and stressful otherwise.
 
Top Bottom