Grayman
Soul Shade
Middle English: via Old French from Latin affectio(n-), from afficere ‘to influence’.
You can influence an individual to concentrate oon their own needs and values over your own as a unselfish influence.
Middle English: via Old French from Latin affectio(n-), from afficere ‘to influence’.
You can influence an individual to concentrate oon their own needs and values over your own as a unselfish influence.
Why would you do that?
Because I have no value.
If you have no value, then how you can affect anything? How does having no value cause you to act with affection?
Edit:
Rather than continue this exchange, I want to point something out.
To desire is selfish. Influence itself can happen with our without desire. In the case of the cat, the desire is reciprocated, which is a selfless act.
To manipulate is a deceptive exchange that has an affect. It is deceptive because there is an illusion of selflessness.
I cannot supply value to myself but others can to themselves and those around them and so if they have meaning where I do not I must attend to that meaning they create.
Someone else must have chose your avatar and screen name because you couldn't do it yourself. After all, that would be a self-assigned value.
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My existence has no meaning therefore others are always priority.
You gave me priority in the exchange?
Can we at least agree that cats are smarter than humans?
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Do you think me being accepting of your logic without providing opposition would be somehow beneficial to you?
I dont understand how you define intelligence so I cannot. Or perhaps we should ask the cat...you seem to prefer its opinion ovrr yours.
Intelligence is a meaningless term created by those who wish denote superiority where there objectively can be none. The mental wiring of each animal provides different function and either it is useful to its goals or is not.
There are plenty of smart people here who know exactly what I am talking about. I want to hear from them.
I was going to post a clip of homer simpson being a genius but I can't find one that will do the job.
However, I'm able to relate to practically anyone who is intellectually curious. I've had enjoyable, meaningful conversations with crack addicts, historians, illiterate prison inmates, Scientologists, investment bankers, pregnant teens, physicists, Twilight fans, and even ESFJs. No two people are going to share an identical knowledge base, and it is uncommon for two people to problem-solve at the same pace, but those things aren't terribly important.
Your actions are inconsistent with your words. It would be like me saying I'm not an ass. I don't go around claiming that I'm not. I try not to be, but sometimes I can't help it.
The thread is about genius, not intelligence. Yes, lets ask the cat.
Sorry, he's busy...
You assume it means superiority, when that is not what intelligence is.
I think that's the point of the thread...
Genius is ingenuity. It simply is a word for someone who works to solve problems. They don't have to be big complicated ones. They can be small and insignificant.
Cat wants affection, so it gives affection. Genius! It also gets a warm place to live, lots of toys, food, milk, and TV to watch. I envy cats because I have to work my ass off just to have a place to sleep. So yeah cats are definitely more ingenious than myself.
Genius still follows suit. Is creativity genius in and of itself or is it only genius if you deem the creation valuable in some way .... although not necessarily useful in a more tangible way but still useful if not through influential means. It is still a matter of the viewer and what they think is important vs what the suppossed genius is capable of.
This strikes home to me. This is kinda my original question I had when making the thread. So lets say you have a person who is so original that they don't fit in and are never quite recognized for their ability to be original. Does this make them a genius or just a goof ball? So does something have to be useful in order to be intelligent? What would go along with this is is problem solving the underpinning quality someone must have in order to gauge their intelligence? I remember when I took and official IQ test when I was in the hospital and I was only complying to take it so I wouldn't have negative consequences. Anyways I did poorly on it and don't know my result but basically I did not care one bit how I did on the test cuz I was in survival mode (understatement). So since I scored really bad on the IQ test does this mean I have a lower intelligence?
You are obviously intelligent. Memory, speed, recall, and pattern recog. These are all things an IQ test evaluates. Who needs an intelligent person when you have Siri at the palm of your hand?
A test cannot fully account for creative thought which is what makes a person more valuable than a machine.
We look at other people around us and make the mistake of comparing.
^ That does not necessarily make one a genius, just smart.
As Grayman stated earlier, the definition of genius is dependent on what is valued. It is a term applied to people who have achieved extraordinary things where it has been correlated with a high IQ, if known. However, we are forgetting the hundreds of thousands of people of 'normal' intelligence who achieve extraordinary things that are not necessarily valued by our current achievement definitions.
Forgive me if I may be stating the obvious here, but just because one is smart does not imply that one will achieve goals that one aspire to. It depends heavily on one's emotional starting platform in life.
If someone had their wings clipped early on, it is very difficult or even impossible to rely on intelligence alone (pure intellectual intelligence). If you struggle with personal issues, depression, anxiety, etc, these will serve as major distractions from what you really aspire to be/do. A sound emotional basis provides you with a very important aspect of what is needed for success (which, by the way is an entirely subjective concept). This is simple sheer grit and hard work, which requires not only emotional strength, but also an unfaltering commitment to specific long and short-term goals. Added to that, you have to be passionate about what you are doing, and see hindrances as temporary challenges, not dead ends.
Being happy in one's life does not imply a constant state of bliss. What makes humans tick is overcoming personal challenges and achieving tasks and goals on a daily and general basis. If one starts in the small one will gradually build strength and confidence as one task is completed at the time. I liken it to climbing a mountain. If you stand at the bottom of the mountain and look up, it looks impossible. Then you begin to take the first steps, and each step is a challenge that requires problem solving which distracts you from that end goal. Whenever you have worked your way past one step, you have this sense of achievement which propels you further forwards -- and suddenly you look up -- and you find yourself at the top.
The problem most of us struggle with is that we want to get somewhere fast -- we look too far ahead where we are encountered with disproportionally large challenges that stops us in our tracks. We look at other people around us and make the mistake of comparing. Here is where so-called geniuses perhaps have an advantage, but it really depends on their field of expertise. In this case, it is more about insight into one's personal strengths and limitations that will enable an individual to make the right decisions about what tools are needed to be able to advance. It's just a patience game.
Polaris just summed up my problems better than I could have managed to tease out of repression myself, and I don't have the intelligence to keep me one detached step ahead of everyone every single time. Apparently I have processing speed and memory issues, as well as an inability to grasp mathematical logic the way it needs to be grasped. Anyone have any ideas for increasing one's ability to focus?
Holy shit. I think I just figured out what pushed me more towards detachment: a repressed worry of my parents abandoning me.
In order of significance...
Intellectual Genius.
Creative Genius.
Literary Genius.
Musical Genius.
Fart Genius.
Super Genius.
Super-Duper Genius.
Cats.
Evil genius didn't make the cut? Hitler, Napoleon, George W Bush, etc
Evil genius didn't make the cut? Hitler, Napoleon, George W Bush, etc
I'm not going to say I'm a genius, because IQ tests don't mean anything. But as a point of reference I scored a 134. Problems that make my intelligence/whatever a curse is that I don't socialize, have maybe 1 friend. Mostly because I don't show very many emotions at all.. my voice is monotone, so people might think I'm boring, rude, or burnt out. I also deal with a ritalin addiction, because it puts me into a trancelike state of complex thought chains.
Genius use to be a specific term. A term that puts an individual in the upper 2.5% of the population of people who have taken a specific test. This test was found to not be an accurate measurement of intelligence thereby making the classification of genius somewhat erroneous and now is a term open to interpretation. The human language and its classification's are a fluid rather than stagnant or static representation of what those classifications and words actually mean and they change, sometimes significantly, over time. The terminology and dichotomy we use today as a whole is quite a bit different that what it was even 100 years ago. To understand this is to know that given enough time any word or classification can change over time. With this said and given the nature of the word 'genius' it should be no surprise that at this point in time we will not either as a forum basis, nor as a universal basis, ever fully agree on this term.
If I was personally going to put a definition on the word 'genius' it would be this: a person who has a quality of greatness to them for their pursuits, which changes how or what, and even why things are done by others for a period after they have accomplished this greatness from their pursuits; the more widely spread the change is made from a universal perspective, the the more genuine the quality of the person of said genius.
Oh okay, then no, I know of no geniuses nor do I know what it would be like to be one.
There can be a genius within a household though...
The wording "Kung fu" predates genius and gives better examples. I think we are all Genius in our own way. Some people have an exceptional intellectual ability to be prone to failure. Their keen accuracy in being directly wrong about everything is at a very Genius level. You see all these comparisons are about accountability that is the underlying trait of genius.
BZZZT!!! Wrong!. Genius is inherently a sign of superior intellect compared to others. If everyone was a genius, no one would be a genius. Such poor poor logic.
Relax. He's clearly young. How about help show him why he's wrong instead of being an ass?
The wording "Kung fu" predates genius and gives better examples. I think we are all Genius in our own way. Some people have an exceptional intellectual ability to be prone to failure. Their keen accuracy in being directly wrong about everything is at a very Genius level. You see all these comparisons are about accountability that is the underlying trait of genius.
A genius is etymologically a generating spirit. If you think everyone has a generating spirit, then that's up to you.
He was helping me by providing himself as an example for a "genius of wrong". See the apparent blind sided narcissism in his reply and yet he has no means to make such a comparison. Then he completely rejects reality through a mathematical fallacy of composition:
IF everyone was _____ THEN no one would be ______.
Judging by the flamboyant onomatopoeia I would say he was joking. I see this humor often online among INTJ, is it not common on an NT forum?
He was helping me by providing himself as an example for a "genius of wrong". See the apparent blind sided narcissism in his reply and yet he has no means to make such a comparison. Then he completely rejects reality through a mathematical fallacy of composition:
IF everyone was _____ THEN no one would be ______.
Judging by the flamboyant onomatopoeia I would say he was joking. I see this humor often online among INTJ, is it not common on an NT forum?
A man of genius makes no mistakes. His errors are volitional and are the portals of discovery. ~James Joyce, Ulysses
All I have to say is that I am clearly not a genius.
We were all unsure, thanks for clearing that up.
We were all unsure, thanks for clearing that up.
Why don't you get busy and jump off a bridge?
It seems someone is very grateful for your thanks and is asking you out on a date. To jump off a bridge and walk along the beach how romantic is that.