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You know what?

We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit! :beatyou:

-Quoted from Team America: World Police
 

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Heresy !!........ Heresy I say !!.............

Stop him !!.......... Hold him !!

Burn him at the stake !!...........

SpaceYeti,,, how dare you !!
 

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You know what?

We're dicks! We're reckless, arrogant, stupid dicks. And the Film Actors Guild are pussies. And Kim Jong Il is an asshole. Pussies don't like dicks, because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes: assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck an asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is: they fuck too much or fuck when it isn't appropriate - and it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes, pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves... because pussies are an inch and half away from ass holes. I don't know much about this crazy, crazy world, but I do know this: If you don't let us fuck this asshole, we're going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit! :beatyou:

-Quoted from Team America: World Police

i immediately thought of the same quote when i read IB's post :D

back on topic: I think yeti's was just fed up and needed to release a little of his bottled up anger. A little rant here and there never hurt anyone right? We all just need to chillax :X *backs slowly away*
 

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Are we all really assholes? Most assholes ive met are usually intj..You can tell by the way they think theyre so cool for being organized and "proffessional"..I guess i would be an asshole if my mother wasnt a sensitve emotional wreck. Anything i say that opposes her deeply moral and religious views on life, make her think that i will one day become a serial killer and that im "just like my father"..my father is an estj asshole, and has to have control and pursues normality..like tonite he bitched about me being on my laptop. He said, "no, dont get on your laptop. We all have to watch TV as a family." Then i laughed in his face, and psychoanalyzed him and told him why he was thinking the way he was. He got pissed at me and almost went to bed. Ironically we were watching Criminal Minds, where these FBI guys psychanalyze bad guys haha.
 

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My only concern/annoyance was with point #1 -- and mainly due to it just seeming glib on the subject of depression. Kudos to him for apologizing.

I think the point I'd make is that there are many here who'd like this place to be an environment where people feel comfortable exposing their inner most feelings without being made fun of for it. Jokes are awesome but in the end people want to know they'll at least be respected. Especially on the issue of depression, we're talking about people who are already quite fragile and, for all we know, may see this place as sort of a last resort way of reaching out to people who will accept and understand them when no one else will.

We've already had many cases where people have posted candidly about their depression and suicidal thoughts and I don't think that happens (at least not as much) if they think they're going to be made fun of for doing so. Having said that, I don't think there was any ill intent by the OP, who I'm sure is quite awesome. :)
 

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I didn't think it was a joke. I thought it was a noob having a nooby 'ground-breaking revelation' about what idiots we can all be, and my god, you mean we're actually self-centred, self-pitying, illogical, lazy, baselessly misanthropic wrecks sometimes? No wai!

There'll always be the genuine/correct and the fake/misguided/idiots, and all of us will fall into both categories at various points. There are good solid reasons countering each point you made, and good solid reasons for you making them.

INTP 2.0 is always more pleasant to deal with than its predecessor (except for its predecessor), and when the wrong things motivate our good/strong points, then we're on the way to deserving Yeti hurling this shit at us. (Maybe. Responses so far unfortunately indicate this thread was a bad idea. Shit-hurling can suffer from tainted motivation too... even when it doesn't, no one likes a stink.)

Hmm, more thoughts:
I think the sentiment behind threads like these is often a reaction to perceived dishonesty or idiocy. In all the points made, the targeted group (which Yeti so kindly aligned himself with - to soften the blow?) was presented as labouring under some self-induced delusion.

1) This one has us indulging in a luxuriously self-focused emotion, and making no move to change it - self-centred attitude and a victim mentality (a symptom of WEAKNESS! :evil: - and by the way, people, that emoticon is shamefully abused) that is not supported by logical analysis. Yes, some of us are emo borgs.

2) This one has us missing the point either to appear superior regarding precision (dishonesty), or just because we're that anal (idiocy).

3) Again, self-indulgence/passivity and refusal to face the facts.

All things I rail against myself. However 1. Some people have Serious Problems 2. Precision is necessary in order to properly debate; assumptions are the bane of accuracy 3. It's fun, shut up. It's only when taken to extremes or aped because of immaturity that these become symptomatic of genuine assholery.

Actually, you might as well have named this Sometimes People Are Assholes.

Wutevs. Hope I haven't offended anyone/done anything wrong. It's nice to chew on a little something every now and then. That's another point you missed out Yeti - sometimes self-indulgent analysis on unimportant, impractical matters helps us get through a bad day.


I'M SORRY! THIS IS FAR LONGER THAN EXPECTED!
 

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By the way, discrimination against noobs is utterly reprehensible and if any of you catch me at it in a less than jocular manner, please call me out on it (nicely!). Thankee. I hope to stand by this for at least a week.
 

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I also agree that clarification is necessary. As I said; 'tongue in cheek'. I do notice that the desire to clarify detracts from the actual conversation sometimes, however. Hence making fun of it.

I would have never suspected INTPs would be so emotional like this. That surprised me. You know what, I'll officially apologize for the first one. I'm sorry. I've never suffered from depression, so I never considered how serious it might be for someone who does suffer it. However, I've certainly done the second two, and I stand by what I said as a half-truth/half-joke.

INTPs are very emotional, however we also tend to have massive emotional control. I'm sure you are emotional as well since most folks tend to laugh, get angry and feel frustrated at times. It's how most organisms react to stimuli and it's very normal to feel emotions.

As we start out however --since some of us are also extremely sensitive-- we tend to keep a cap on all of the emotions we have. We don't talk about our pains or do anything about them and overtime that builds up in us negatively.

You must have found proper methods of emotional intake and output to keep how you feel steady and generally happy. As much as we'd like to think we are not emotional, every expression we make has a certain level of emotion, that's how we communicate, again very mammal.

I suffered depression for 3 years and it was mostly because I was very shy and I took on a shit load of responsibilities without an emotional outlet. I'd think there existed a direct reason as to why I'm sad, but really it was the other way around. I'd feel sad first, then I would think of all the shit that makes me sad afterwards.

I beat my depression when I started saying, "Fuck it, I'll be like one of these monkeys I so deeply abhor." Alcohol and smokes helped. Also getting laid helped. After a few months of animal like behavior and socializing there was no more depression. Shit still sucks, but I don't feel sad about it.

So,

I think the main issue is that most INTPs forget, or hate the fact that we are pure and free energy constrained into a mass that has to take a shit and gnaw on charred corpses to survive. It pisses us off that we are animals because we feel like we are so much more smarter than the average monkeys, err.. society. There is the problem though, we feel like it.

Animals have animal problems, and "being happy" --as meaningless as it may be-- is necessary for the animal side as much as being sad so we can differentiate life. Can't make a line with a single dot. Always happy, bad, always sad, bad. We'd be ignoring a huge fact otherwise.

All of this of course is in my experience.
 

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i immediately thought of the same quote when i read IB's post :D

back on topic: I think yeti's was just fed up and needed to release a little of his bottled up anger. A little rant here and there never hurt anyone right? We all just need to chillax :X *backs slowly away*

ROFL! You rule, thanks for existing.
 

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the fact that we are pure and free energy constrained into a mass that has to take a shit and gnaw on charred corpses to survive
I'm neither pure nor free, and my mass is pretty awesome. Taking a shit is relieving and gnawing on charred corpses is tasty. Why would I be upset about any of that?
 

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God am I glad I hung out with other types, who groomed me for social interaction and taking initiative.

Then, go be with them. No one asked you to come here.

2) Why the hell do we split the fuck out of hairs instead of dealing with the actual point being made? Okay, so the shade of meaning may be off, but correcting the unspecific should be secondary to the actual point being made! If you're going to argue about something, argue about the substance of the post, insofar as you can understand it without slicing apart hairs.

Then, get it right the first time.
 

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Yes, some of us are emo borgs.
OMG! That's it! You jerks weren't actually depressed, you were pissed off at the people who only acted depressed that you wanted to show them how to do it right! It's the emo movement! You guys are probably young whipper-shnappers! I'm old! I grew up in a generation where the standing idiom of teenagers was "Fuck off, I'm doing this shit my way." <--- always with a period, no exclaiming it. We were Bender, the world's sexiest killing machine, who's fun at parties.

You jerks, on the other hand, grew up in the age when being depressed and bisexual was cool, and in your spite of the idiot cool kids, you became them, except better!

What a revelation!
 

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By the way, discrimination against noobs is utterly reprehensible and if any of you catch me at it in a less than jocular manner, please call me out on it (nicely!). Thankee. I hope to stand by this for at least a week.
... You makin' fun o' me? You wanna take this outside, punk?!

I kid, I kid. You're a wonderful person... for me to poop on!

I miss that dog.
 

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I will 100% agree that i am an asshole, mostly because its fun to be sarcastic and opinionated.

This thread hasnt been very funny though, Spaceyeti, whether you were joking or not, the fact we tend to nitpick was even one of your thoughts, what made you think there wouldnt be any people adgitated. I personally dont care and am only saying this out of boredom, but saying you're glad you were socially groomed by people, or you might have ended up like us jerks, is a little too condescending to get a giggle out of me. Then saying that people were being emotional, when they are simply perceptive types.. that were reacting accordingly to the eF you were expressing, was just ignorant, and made you seem rather tactless.

You seem like an ISTP to me, with an underdeveloped eS, feel the shame, and the burn Muahahahahaha (i dont really think this of course, i just know how retarded an ISTP can be, so it is a fun insult)

Die in fire :D
 

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Space Yeti, I don't get it. I just want to love you. Why won't you let me? Don't you care about my feelings at all?
 

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I never whined about depression. In fact if you read some of my threads. Or the threads I participated in. I take distance to whining and depression.

Also have I thought about the "illusion" But as you probably read in the thread we both participated in. I think it's quite simple "Sure this might all be an illusion, so what? it's going to go on until it ends (We die) So why not enjoy our illusion?"
 

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Okay, I get it, INTPs have no sense of humor. Shut up.

Maybe You're just not funny when you try to be.
(Usually I throw a bunch of unsure words into my sentences, but this time I'm pretty sure I'm right.)
You still amuse me though. Please do stay. c:

 

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Comparing assholes and INTPs is an unfair comparison, and on behalf of assholes everywhere, I object.
 

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hmmm, I see he touched a nerve with the no sense-of-humor accusation. But this is not the time to prove him correct by becoming offended, no, this is the time to insult his mother and make fun of his face. This will accomplish: a) making us feel big, superior, etc.; b) proving we know what's funny; c) divert attention away from our own flaws by focusing on his/his mother's; d) nothing.
 

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hmmm, I see he touched a nerve with the no sense-of-humor accusation. But this is not the time to prove him correct by becoming offended, no, this is the time to insult his mother and make fun of his face. This will accomplish: a) making us feel big, superior, etc.; b) proving we know what's funny; c) divert attention away from our own flaws by focusing on his/his mother's; d) nothing.
If this is multiple choice, I pick d. Though, c seems to be a good choice too... where the hell is the "all of the above"?
 

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hmmm, I see he touched a nerve with the no sense-of-humor accusation. But this is not the time to prove him correct by becoming offended, no, this is the time to insult his mother and make fun of his face. This will accomplish: a) making us feel big, superior, etc.; b) proving we know what's funny; c) divert attention away from our own flaws by focusing on his/his mother's; d) nothing.

Awwww. But I was so looking forward to seeing... Never mind, it's probably best not to repeat it. :p

In any case, I didn't take his post that seriously. I thought the title was pretty funny, but the post wasn't. Even so, I wasn't offended. It just reminded me of the kids in high school who were so desperately seeking attention. Sad.
 

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1) We're constantly bitching about our depression. What the hell?! Why are we depressed? Why take the precious time out of our day when we could be having fun and feel depressed? Do something! God am I glad I hung out with other types, who groomed me for social interaction and taking initiative. Without it, would I be like you jerks?

2) Why the hell do we split the fuck out of hairs instead of dealing with the actual point being made? Okay, so the shade of meaning may be off, but correcting the unspecific should be secondary to the actual point being made! If you're going to argue about something, argue about the substance of the post, insofar as you can understand it without slicing apart hairs.

3) We doubt reality just as much, if not more, than we try to understand reality! I won't lie, I went through my "everything I perceive could be an illusion" chain of thoughts just like everyone else eventually does. However, even if the whole world you perceive in fact is an illusion, that's the world you have to deal with by necessity! Even if it's not the real one, until a reason to suspect it's not comes along, it's the one you have! Deal with it.

First of all, LOL @ everyone getting so worked up over this. I thought INTP's took criticism impersonally, wth?

Anyway...
1. It does seem common that INTP's tend to become easily depressed, gloomy, melancholic, and rather sluggish, when it comes to dealing with life. This is either because we're feeling like giant losers who contribute nothing useful, or we haven't experienced life in a favorable fashion. Whatever the case, INTP's do tend to have low interpersonal intelligence (social savvy), on the whole. Given this, and our general lack of emotional IQ, we can easily feel out of place in life, which I would think is a very important part of mental health. Hence, it's good that you found people to pull you out of your cave, and it's good you found creative and constructive ways to use your time. But not everyone comes out of their INTP hermit cave, and not everyone finds ways of spending their time productively. Given all of this, it doesn't seem surprising at all, to me, that INTP's would generally suffer mental problems and feel a little depressed now and then. I say, it comes with being INTP, for the most part.

2. I get what you're saying. Why can't we basically have a normal discussion, like everyone else, without correcting any slight statement which wasn't stated with perfect and accurate logical precision, right? Well, that's true. Hence, we tend to be grammar Nazis. However, even if an INTP may make someone else cringe in a discussion, I think it's a pretty useful thing that we actually care to take the time to split hairs, because a conversation may not really be as substantive without those extra shades of meaning tightened up and brought to the forefront of the discussion. So, while it's annoying, I don't always think it's unnecessary and annoying. Sometimes, it brings more value to a discussion. But yeah, we shouldn't do it when it's entirely unnecessary, and especially when it becomes downright unethical, on the verge of trolling.

3. INTP's do seem to have many metaphysical doubts, being so skeptical and all. Hence, many INTP's probably do inherently doubt the reality of the Objective world, as a growing people. Yet, I don't think most people really give the reality of the objective world a single skeptical thought, in most of their lives, just mostly INTP's (and maybe a few other types). Having said that (as I don't think it's accurate at all to assume that 'everyone' goes through this sort of mega-doubtful phase), I can see where you're coming from, again. Instead of developing a useful and practical set of knowledge which corresponds to 'reality,' we usually just sit back metaphysically doubting everything from our armchairs and ivory towers. If we really want to understand the world and seek truth, we must actually look out into the world; this requires that we avoid the metaphysical inquiry as often as possible. Lately, I've been in a phase where I just want to metaphysically analyze everything. But I think I'm slowly growing out of it (without abandoning it altogether). I do realize that eventually an INTP has to learn to actually take the world for what it is, and that's a very powerful thing to realize, and I hope INTP's do actually learn to develop themselves toward that goal.

Nice post (and it sucks most everyone is bashing you for being honest).
Peace.
 

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Just what was the point of this thread?

People have the right to discuss their own emotions without jerks like you kicking them when they are down. intps above other types need to be able to discuss these sort of issues in a safe environment with supportive people who can understand what they are thinking. These people do not exist in real life for many of us, so just back the fuck off. The only asshole I see around here is You, and you are a big one.

I've never started a personal depression thread, but vulnerable people need to talk to people who understand them. If you don't like that, get the fuck off this forum, and take your atheist bullshit with you.

I think you misinterpreted the OP's post.
He wasn't saying that INTP's shouldn't have the right to seek emotional support when they are feeling down. He was wondering why we are always so gloomy and depressed, as we can all learn to pull ourselves up and learn ways of finding more happiness. There is some level of will-power involved in this. Every time I get down, for instance, I try to figure out ways I can avoid feeling down again. However, I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to NEVER get depressed. That's out of the question. Depression can occur to anyone. But he was just saying that INTP's seem a little too depressed, and it's true.

And I don't think you should openly insult and attack someone like that. It's just a thread; no need to take it personally and call someone an asshole. And, you should also refrain from emotionally over-reacting and telling others not to come to this forum. This forum is open to anyone who wants to come to it, so long as they aren't harassing and offending people on a personal basis.

If you don't like SpaceYeti, ignore him. This isn't YOUR forum. You don't get to personally decide who stays or goes. If you have a problem with someone, you deal with it like an adult; you don't cry and scream and tell them they're no longer welcome on a forum full of different people, some you like and some you don't.

For instance, I personally don't like you, but I'm not going to tell you to get the hell out of this forum, am I?

Check yourself, Oblivious. You're out of line.
 

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I will not mince any words with assholes who toy with the honest feelings of others. I do not give a damn about your failure at humour, but considering the fact that there are people who genuinely need help here, that was completely insensitive.

Don't think you can save your position by being 'rational'; plenty of people here already seen and used the same arguments you've used a thousand times over in the past on this very forum. It's honestly just tired. Most people here will not have the heart to scold you as I have, but believe me you deserve much more for your insensitivity.

He wasn't 'toying' with anyone's feelings.
He was expressing honest observations that concern all INTP's.
And if someone honestly expressing observations in a general manner as a means of discussion cannot openly do so, without being accused of insensitivity, then I don't know what to say.

What I do know is that you took the thread wrong.
He wasn't attacking anyone in a vicious manner; he was stating observations.
Learn to tell the difference, ya big care bear.
 

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*Gives Oblivious gold star in secret*

Oblivious misconstrued the thread and presumed it was a giant rebuking attack. Yet, even if it did have hints of condescension, I don't think SpaceYeti's intention was just to piss people off and talk entirely down to them in a belittling fashion. I've seen people give such honest opinions all the time. It's just a matter of expressing observations, not making others feel inferior. It's like rallying a team and trying to help people better themselves. If it's not done in a completely rude and harassing manner, negative criticism is actually a positive thing. All it requires that people honestly admit that there are problems, and the real problem is that most people aren't honest enough to admit what's staring them in the face, even when someone like SpaceYeti comes and spells it out, in plain English.

Anyway, I have a pretty perceptive brain, and I can distinguish between a true asshole attack on the masses and an honest expression of accurate observations which are somewhat warranted, so that some of us might benefit from coming to terms with what one of us has actually managed to notice. That's all.

Now, if SpaceYeti said, "Oblivious, you and your friends need to stop crying like giant babies all over the forums, with your stupid theistic crap and own up to reality, you big giant weenies," then I'd expect this sort of irrational outcry. But he didn't. He was just making honest observations. Objective. Impersonal. Accurate. Honest.

For this reason, I can't congratulate Oblivious at all.
*takes the gold star back*

SpaceYeti, if you post something as a joke you should express yourself differently than when you write your opinion.
Maybe you somewhat do, but I for one am not so perceptive as to notice the difference.
Plenty of people here will laugh at themselves, but not in response to "stop being depressed, asshole".
First of all, it is very sad that not everyone here is perceptive enough to notice when someone is being a giant asshole and when they're just making honest statements. Second, he wasn't saying "stop being depressed, asshole." It was more like, "Why are so many INTP's often depressed? Perhaps it'd be a good idea to learn to deal with the world."

Although, to be honest, SpaceYeti is ultimately judging other INTP's based on his personal fortunes, which I've stated. Yet, I still think the observations are genuine, honest and accurate enough to worth stating, without everyone getting offended about it. INTP's are usually known for taking criticism impersonally, so I don't see why so many people got so riled up about this. SpaceYeti was a little condescending and a little unfair about how he's been fortunate, while some of us may not be so fortunate. That's true. But instead of screaming and yelling, you guys should honestly let him know this without resorting to unnecessary emotional reactions.
 

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I actually agree, we should all stop being depressed assholes.

*goes outside*

^^^ See? It's all about humility, modesty, and honesty.
Take things more lightly, guys. How hard is it to admit that the lot of us are way too depressed for more time than we should be? I know it's true for me, and I'm not afraid to admit it.
 

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I also agree that clarification is necessary. As I said; 'tongue in cheek'. I do notice that the desire to clarify detracts from the actual conversation sometimes, however. Hence making fun of it.

I would have never suspected INTPs would be so emotional like this. That surprised me. You know what, I'll officially apologize for the first one. I'm sorry. I've never suffered from depression, so I never considered how serious it might be for someone who does suffer it. However, I've certainly done the second two, and I stand by what I said as a half-truth/half-joke.

Yeah, I wouldn't expect INTP's to take things so personally, myself. But you have to remember that even INTP's have feelings (I just didn't see a reason for them to get so pissy in this particular situation).
And I'm glad you admitted that you were a little incorrect a few times in your thread (even if there are bits and pieces of genuine truths there that we INTP's should be more aware of from time to time, in some way or another).

And yeah, just because you have been fortunate enough to avoid depression, doesn't mean the rest of us are so fortunate, ourselves. But I do think that, regardless, we should all learn to try to look at the world from a brighter perspective. It's so easy to get lost in all the gloominess.
 

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I suffer from depression and take medication for it. I split hairs like it's going out of business. And I doubt reality and my own sanity everyday.

But I still found this thread funny.

I think people are reacting to the poster and not what's posted. If Melkor or NoID10t's or someone had made this thread, nobody would have given it a second thought.

Hahaha
I feel depressed all the time, split hairs like a maniac, and I am still suffering from the "Is the world just an illusion?" phase. Yet, I realize that these are my inherent inclinations as an INTP and that I can and should learn to deal with them as I mature, as all of us. Hence, we should all be able to openly discuss these things, without getting emotional about it.

I didn't see the humor in this thread, myself, but I did think that the points were pretty accurate concerning the downsides of INTPness. lol
 

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I am humble. Yet, I also think I'm super awesome. It makes me wonder how incredibly awesome I actually am.

Further, yes, I actually do find those things annoying (though I wouldn't say "pathetic"). Because I actually find something annoying, I can't joke about it, though? If it's not an annoying thing, what is there to make fun of?

Imo, there's nothing wrong with an INTP enjoying their own nature (so long as they don't entirely disparage and narcissistically insult others, as if they are the greatest being on the planet). I personally enjoy my nature, and I take pride in who I am as a thinker. Hence, this pride can show up in one's demeanor. But I'm not one to find a problem with it, unless it's overbearing. In your case, it's just part of who you are, rather than something annoying that needs to be toned down.

I usually have that natural self-pride vibe, but I don't thrust it onto others.
And I think that's the point of difference between us and completely annoying self-lovers.
 

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I have social anxiety and depression..Fukin ruins my life, but im not takin anything personally. I just dont care..

The thing i hate most about it is that it restricts my ability to express my thoughts and ideas with the world. And then the only thing That pisses me the fuck off is that when i do something supid do to overwelming anxiety, it makes me look like im stupid. And thats the only thing i take personally, people insulting my intellignece....my faggot father does it all the time because he cant accpet that im not the stupid cool kid jock retard he wanted me to be, so he pretends that i am and looks for any oppritunity to say to me.."harharhar ur just a big dumb jock arent ya"....everytime he says this i feel anger, which doesnt happen often, but its a huge insult and makes me wanna fukin beat him to death with the baseball bat that he has made me swing for the past 10 years...about that long since sports got too serious for me parents...and now im fucked up becasue of it....shit
 

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You should be on iron chef, then!

Further, nobody here has enough knowledge of me to say I'm not awesome. Could it be that the people saying I'm not simply dislike me? You can dislike awesome people. It can happen. That's fine. I'm okay with it. I'm sure you all, being INTPs, simply don't like the competition I represent, especially since you'll lose. I mean, who else is awesome enough to make fun of himself by saying he's awesome when he knows he's not? That's what makes me awesome.

(don't argue against it, just embrace the nonsense)

Humor detected, rather strongly (finally).

Perhaps you should add a point 4 to your OP:
"You assholes are too goofy and prone to silly dry-humor nonsense. Learn to be less like giant walking clown shoes."

I'm prone to this sort of goofy dry-humor all the time.
 

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We all can benefit from a little decompression here.

Satire is very hard to put across with nothing but written words. If you just read the scripts for Stephen Colbert and Jon Stewart, for example, you could really get the wrong idea. You need the visuals that go with the delivery to "get it." We lack that on here. It's almost like we need a headline at the top of our attempts at satire that is depressingly utilitarian: SATIRE!

Anyway sometimes an asshole is just the label applied to the one person who is right that nobody else wants to listen to because the "right" position or answer is not as much fun as what everyone wants to do anyway. It's a relative thing, like a joke about the asshole and the lawyer.

hmm.. I hadn't even really noticed it was a satirical... what do you know.
Wow. In that case, it's pretty good and funny. However, I still think it would've been okay, without the satirical nature. We all deserve a little time to reflect on our follies from time to time.

And yeah, I agree: sometimes, it's okay for someone to speak truths about the rest of us, so that way we can actually learn from it. Hence, negative criticism can be a really valuable thing, which without we would be immensely impoverished as people.
 

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BTW, in retrospect, I find the OP pretty humorous, SpaceYeti.

I once made fun of some guy on a video game who was probably an INT (not sure if we was a J or P). At any rate, he was being big-headed and insulting to others, and I related to his manner of expression and demeanor, so I started toying with him, trying to use his own medicine against him. I think he thought it was pretty funny after a while. So, at one point, I said the following:

Anyways, I'm gonna end by saying that Damendath is actually the dumbest person here, and that beneath the confident exterior, he's actually very envious of me, worships my presence and very existence, and wants to be just like me when he's older.

It seems to have this sort of Ben Affleck sort of goofiness to it that I remember from the movie Armageddon.

A.J..: You know, Harry, there are only, uh, five words, I want to hear from you right now and those words are: you know A.J., I really look up to you, you been a hero of mine for sometime, and I'm really impressed with your work and I'm emotionally closed off...
 

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Space yeti, misunderstandings are to easy to create in text . Make a fukin video if you WANs use sarcastic humor.
 

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^^^ See? It's all about humility, modesty, and honesty.
Take things more lightly, guys. How hard is it to admit that the lot of us are way too depressed for more time than we should be? I know it's true for me, and I'm not afraid to admit it.
Bwahahahhahaha. That post was fairly obviously entirely sarcastic.
I usually have that natural self-pride vibe, but I don't thrust it onto others.
And I think that's the point of difference between us and completely annoying self-lovers.
Aren't INTP's also particularly vulnerable to self-doubt? Like, I know I'm more intelligent than most people, but I'm still stupid. I frequently don't trust my own judgment based on the usually limited amount of data available and am therefore extremely indecisive.
Humor detected, rather strongly (finally).

Perhaps you should add a point 4 to your OP:
"You assholes are too goofy and prone to silly dry-humor nonsense. Learn to be less like giant walking clown shoes."

I'm prone to this sort of goofy dry-humor all the time.
I love dry humor and satire. Hell, Mark Twain is my favorite American author (well... perhaps Poe). But dammit, SpaceYeti's writing style and word choice in the OP didn't seem satirical at all, even if it was meant to be. It seemed bitingly insulting and arrogant.
 

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Quick comment before I head off to work.

And I don't think you should openly insult and attack someone like that. It's just a thread; no need to take it personally and call someone an asshole. And, you should also refrain from emotionally over-reacting and telling others not to come to this forum. This forum is open to anyone who wants to come to it, so long as they aren't harassing and offending people on a personal basis.

If you don't like SpaceYeti, ignore him. This isn't YOUR forum. You don't get to personally decide who stays or goes. If you have a problem with someone, you deal with it like an adult; you don't cry and scream and tell them they're no longer welcome on a forum full of different people, some you like and some you don't.

Oblivious didn't say that, he said if Yeti didn't like it. There's a difference. Also Yeti has been fairly condecending in a lot of threads. Really, why be in threads where all you do is saying how ridiculus it is? It has been a build up to this point.

Anyway, I have a pretty perceptive brain, and I can distinguish between a true asshole attack on the masses and an honest expression of accurate observations which are somewhat warranted, so that some of us might benefit from coming to terms with what one of us has actually managed to notice. That's all.

Still you can't perceive what has happened in this thread.

I'll elaborate when I get back.
 

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I kinda lost interest in this fairly quickly after my other post :confused:

Oh well.

The way I see it, Yeti's humor is more that of a.....let's say a "bully". To me it seems he is the kind of type that would go around calling his friends jerks and generally insult them when they screw up. He seems to be laughing at people, not with them. That comes off as arrogance and ignorance. He means what he says. That's the impression he gives me. Maybe this is a faulty impression, in such case maybe he should consider holding off the humor to people get to know him.

Oblivious misconstrued the thread and presumed it was a giant rebuking attack. Yet, even if it did have hints of condescension, I don't think SpaceYeti's intention was just to piss people off and talk entirely down to them in a belittling fashion. I've seen people give such honest opinions all the time. It's just a matter of expressing observations, not making others feel inferior. It's like rallying a team and trying to help people better themselves. If it's not done in a completely rude and harassing manner, negative criticism is actually a positive thing. All it requires that people honestly admit that there are problems, and the real problem is that most people aren't honest enough to admit what's staring them in the face, even when someone like SpaceYeti comes and spells it out, in plain English.

Actually, I don't think Yeti had any such motives at all. He didn't think this through, he just wrote it on a whim.

Yeti has, as I mentioned, been condescending pretty much since he walked through the door. Judging by this, it's hard to conclude that this was all in good humor. He also shows an astonishing degree of general obliviousness.

For this reason, I can't congratulate Oblivious at all.
*takes the gold star back*

One of the reasons he got it was because he defended people's right to be emotional and share their problems. I admire this in Oblivious, as most INTPs will be ashamed of their emotions or/ and try to suppress them. And see them as useless etc

Second, he wasn't saying "stop being depressed, asshole." It was more like, "Why are so many INTP's often depressed? Perhaps it'd be a good idea to learn to deal with the world."

Mine was figuratively. But that is equally ridiculous. Really, have you seen the people here? How many INTPs seem to lack such basic knowledge of their condition? Most have probably read entire books about it.

See? It's all about humility, modesty, and honesty.
Take things more lightly, guys. How hard is it to admit that the lot of us are way too depressed for more time than we should be? I know it's true for me, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

I think she was mocking him?

If you are depressed, you are ill. Would you ask a person with a cold "don't you think you are a bit too sick?". It doesn't make sense. What do you imagine the depressed ones are thinking exactly? Don't you think they want to get well? Don't you think they realize they struggle? If a person has been depressed for a long time without doing anything about it, do you think Yeti's post would be that which convinced them to get help?

There's a lot more I could say, but I don't think it will go anywhere. Also, this reminds me too much of some sort of a teenage drama. Banana.
 

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Bwahahahhahaha. That post was fairly obviously entirely sarcastic.

Then it was a horrible attempt at sarcasm, imo.

Aren't INTP's also particularly vulnerable to self-doubt? Like, I know I'm more intelligent than most people, but I'm still stupid. I frequently don't trust my own judgment based on the usually limited amount of data available and am therefore extremely indecisive.

True. But I think INTP's can hold an aura of self-doubt while also having a lot of self-pride. It's complicated, but I think they often coexist within us.

I love dry humor and satire. Hell, Mark Twain is my favorite American author (well... perhaps Poe). But dammit, SpaceYeti's writing style and word choice in the OP didn't seem satirical at all, even if it was meant to be. It seemed bitingly insulting and arrogant.

Agreed. I didn't really pick up on the humor much at all. Although, it didn't seem too insulting and arrogant.
 

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Meh, I'm going to drop it, Minuend.
Oblivious emotionally (and notice I say emotionally, because INTP's usually aren't so emotional and irrational, damn females) exploding about SpaceYeti's simple thread was a lot like teenager drama. It's petty.

Furthermore, I personally don't like emotional, irrational people, like Oblivious.
So I'm going to try to ignore that person as much as possible. So detestable.
 

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Then it was a horrible attempt at sarcasm, imo.

Agreed. I didn't really pick up on the humor much at all. Although, it didn't seem too insulting and arrogant.
It was sarcasm in the word choice. In a forum where there is only truth in words, word choice is the only thing separating sarcasm from seriousness, really.

"We should all stop being depressed assholes."

I don't see how anyone could not see that as incredibly obvious sarcasm. Perhaps it has to do with perception. First of all, being depressed does not make one an asshole, as the OP seemed to posit, but the thing that especially showed me this post was sarcasm is that one cannot just stop being depressed. It is a process that may take many years and may even never come to fruition. But no one is an asshole or has a mental disorder for being depressed much of the time. I don't know, this post just jumps out at me as obvious sarcasm. I don't know the difference between you and me that it doesn't do the same for you.

Yeti's word choice in the OP, however, was ever condescending and insulting. It is nice that he at least tried to soften the blow by including himself in the mix by using the word "we," but ultimately, he excludes himself from all the categories and just attacks people. Once again, word choice "assholes", "jerks," "Deal with it!" That doesn't sound like something so simple as joking or satire to you, does it? I'll admit that I may have my faults, and I do like to be made aware of them, but what SpaceYeti did was just unwarranted, and didn't even touch on the real faults. The emotional ones.

Meh, I'm going to drop it, Minuend.
Oblivious emotionally (and notice I say emotionally, because INTP's usually aren't so emotional and irrational, damn females) exploding about SpaceYeti's simple thread was a lot like teenager drama. It's petty.

Furthermore, I personally don't like emotional, irrational people, like Oblivious.
So I'm going to try to ignore that person as much as possible. So detestable.
I might have agreed with you a few months ago. But while you know from my posts and our discussions my genuine intellect and logical ways of thinking, we still all have emotions and it is foolish to try to suppress them. Every so often there must be an irrational moment. How could you not realize this?
 
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