The Random Thoughts Thread

[Minuend]

Fuck it, going to the doctor.

Doctors fucking suck. Did you know they are literally human beings?

What I've learned from going to doctors a lot:
- Don't come off as a retard
- Don't analyze too much, don't give too detailed symptoms and what causes symptoms. This will make you seem like a crazy person who thinks there are correlations where there is none.
- Don't question the doctor's logic too much or too harshly because that's when it becomes a huge ego battle where you're being disrespectful to a person's superiority. Even asking a lot of questions to make sure you understand everything will make your doctor think you're being disrespectful and he'll gladly make a note of your behavior in your journal for any future doctor to see and be biased against you. "Patient has peculiar opinions". Next.
- Find out how to play on your doctor's sympathy or conscience because that's literally what you have to do to get taken seriously.

I know I'm being unfair, but I must admit I've gotten a bit angry at times.

 

[bvanevery]

Underwear rules give snapshot of life under ISIS

In the BITE model of cult mind control, this is Behavioral control.

 

[Black Rose]

My sister walked up to me and said: "you should go outside today" and I said: "I was outside until you came in here".

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I came home pretty late last night and noticed one star in the sky was particularly luminous; it turned out to be Jupiter. I didn't have a telescope but used a neat astronomy app to identify it.

It may seem trivial but I think it's awesome we can see objects so far away with the naked eye, traveling somewhere without light pollution might become a goal of mine.

 

[Sinny91]

Right, I suppose I should go out and find a job - or something - before I open my mouth and rip into these fucking hillbillies.

 

[Bad Itch]

I came home pretty late last night and noticed one star in the sky was particularly luminous; it turned out to be Jupiter. I didn't have a telescope but used a neat astronomy app to identify it.

It may seem trivial but I think it's awesome we can see objects so far away with the naked eye, traveling somewhere without light pollution might become a goal of mine.

Supermoon tonight!!

 

[TheManBeyond]

ha! tried to see it but it's toooo damn cloudy

 

[bvanevery]

Right, I suppose I should go out and find a job - or something - before I open my mouth and rip into these fucking hillbillies.

The fucking hillbillies?

You been watching internet porn?

Is it a great show?

 

[Bad Itch]

...with visions of wal-mart dancing in their heads.

Greatest show on Earth, bvan'.

 

[Bad Itch]

If every meeting could be as short as that meeting, shit would be GETTING DONE, yo.

 

[bvanevery]

Greatest show on Earth, bvan'.

Hey I resemble that remark! Although locally, they kicked all of us freeloading car dwellers out of the parking lot some time ago. There was literal porn, someone was running a prostitution ring. Manager got sore, banned anyone who isn't rich with a fancy RV from staying overnight. Think someone should pull in with a RV whorehouse.

 

[Bad Itch]

Hey I resemble that remark! Although locally, they kicked all of us freeloading car dwellers out of the parking lot some time ago. There was literal porn, someone was running a prostitution ring. Manager got sore, banned anyone who isn't rich with a fancy RV from staying overnight. Think someone should pull in with a RV whorehouse.

/IN for RV Whorehouse.

 

[0neKiwi]

...what is this?!
(MWI)

So...the MWI basically states there are multiple worlds for each possibility, and that you can contact multiple worlds...

That means you contacting another world is a world, and you not contacting that world is also a world. In this case, does that not mean that there are multiple worlds in a world?!...this is getting confusing...Well then, that means that the MWI is false, does it not?
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[cheese]

Doctors fucking suck. Did you know they are literally human beings?

What I've learned from going to doctors a lot:
- Don't come off as a retard
- Don't analyze too much, don't give too detailed symptoms and what causes symptoms. This will make you seem like a crazy person who thinks there are correlations where there is none.
- Don't question the doctor's logic too much or too harshly because that's when it becomes a huge ego battle where you're being disrespectful to a person's superiority. Even asking a lot of questions to make sure you understand everything will make your doctor think you're being disrespectful and he'll gladly make a note of your behavior in your journal for any future doctor to see and be biased against you. "Patient has peculiar opinions". Next.
- Find out how to play on your doctor's sympathy or conscience because that's literally what you have to do to get taken seriously.

I know I'm being unfair, but I must admit I've gotten a bit angry at times.

I know, it's one of their less endearing qualities.

I've gotten angry too. Definitely keeps me from wanting to go back for more.

How do you play on their sympathy or conscience though?

Spoiler

I didn't intentionally do this, but I ended up breaking down at the doctor's office while trying to get across that my job performance was suffering as a result of this issue. The doctor just stared at me blankly for whole minutes as I tried to pull myself together. Not a word said, not a tissue offered, just staring. This is really strange to me. I've been empathy-free/burnt-out many, many times, but I still take care of the practical issues (eg 'get something to wipe up liquid coming out of companion's orifices'). I can't really fathom her behaviour on any level. Same doctor who, last time I was there and talking about this same issue, told me to come back when I can no longer function. The funny thing is I quite like this doctor. I can see where she's coming from. Not really a people person, bit cold, likes to stay away from the icky stuff and get the nurse to do it, but she's probably well-intentioned and reasonable. And she genuinely has a whole lot more experience, knowledge and general expertise than we do.

But regardless, that's probably the best 'play' I had, and it didn't seem to result in much. I figure she's probably burnt out from seeing so many patients every day, so many of whom have far worse problems. And she probably has someone who's internet-diagnosed themselves just about every day. (The first time I saw her, she asked me with a kind smirk what *I* thought it was. I said I had no idea, she's the doctor - to which she replied with another kind smirk that it's not a brain tumour or anything like that. Apparently she got a lot of patients coming in terrified of their imminent tumours.)

It must be really tough to be a doctor. You have to deal with people who think they know better than you all the time despite the years of both theoretical and practical experience you have, who want to be 'special' and do things their way even though you've seen this a thousand times and know it doesn't work. You've seen repetitions of most cases so many times you barely need to hear all the symptoms the patient thinks are relevant before your mind auto-completes the pattern and sends them off with a diagnosis - you've seen repetitions even of most patient-led *misdiganoses* so many times that you can spot them a mile off too. And because you're quick and efficient, you're seen as uncaring and cold, when really it'd be so much more convenient for everyone if they'd all just respect that you know better rather than getting you to waste time better spent on other sick patients explaining how you can be so sure off so little. How do you compress years of training, then years of experience, then all the research you're familiar with then all the standard protocols that don't make sense on their own but are in place based on all that research into 5 minutes? You can't; you have to hope the patient is able to make that very basic assumption ('this person is waaaaaaaaaay better at this than I am') on their own.

And a lot of people don't. Because the problem is, doctors aren't omniscient. They're not always right. They DO miss things. Their expertise does not cover everything. Even the best doctors don't get it all right, and doctors' skill, experience and ethical commitment to staying updated varies pretty widely as well. So everyone walks in worrying/hoping they're the exception because their life is the life that matters *to them*, while the doctor's aiming to treat the statistical average because it covers the most ground. Mismatched from the outset.

Patients are ignorant and terrified, with a heavy dose of Dunning-Kruger. Doctors are fallible and burdened, with a lot of experience being right but far too much riding on being wrong. Healthcare is messy. Being your own advocate for your health makes the most sense, because you can't rely on anyone else to do it for you. Just have to keep going past the gentle mockery and patronising looks till you get taken seriously, I suppose.

Which I suck at, because I can't even take myself seriously.

 

[Minuend]

How do you play on their sympathy or conscience though?

Depends on their personality, I guess. The more a doctor can relate to you/ the more similar to you, the more it will get you and see where you are coming from. Though if s/he's burnt out, I guess you're screwed anyhow.

I'm mostly just tired and sit there dead-ily while trying to give an accurate account of symptoms etc. I get the impression the main issue is my problems are too vague to really do anything about. I'm not confident "they" will figure out whats wrong with me either, so I'm not really pushing for any further testing or such.

I read the rest, don't have too much of a comment on that. My main problem is something akin to telling them how and why my thumb hurt, to then hear them conclude I probably have a broken foot.

 

[Joe13414]

I've been busy the last few weeks without enough time to go onto the forum, I thought I got a good job, I was passing classes, I almost thought I met a girl who'd I consider not a waste of time, but all that went to shit today, so hello again, I missed the forum!

 

[Tannhauser]

I will attempt an experiment for my next 100 posts (not including this one). Anyone who notices what it is, gets a cookie.

 

[Sinny91]

Yea... Those rules don't apply to me

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

This forum's getting weirder, and I'm judging you all.

INT...J!!111!!1

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

I'm on antipsychotic medications again.

Yes there are positives, as can likely be observed through my change in posting style, however the negatives are quite hard to bear (these are mostly physical side-effects). Basically, I was put on a too high dose (in my opinion), and due to the dose being administered by injections, it'll be staying in my system for quite some time.

It really sucks... life ain't perfect, tho.

 

[Tannhauser]

There is something inherently toxic to the soul about writing a resume.

 

[Redfire]

There is something inherently toxic to the soul about writing a resume.

Jeez. There's so much truth to that. And I need to write my resume this weekend

 

[Perfectly Normal Beast]

There is something inherently toxic to the soul about writing a resume.

i think i might actually prefer death

 

[Sinny91]

There is something inherently toxic to the soul about writing a resume.

Amen.

 

[Creeping Death]

Vivid dreams with less apprehension on Zoloft.

I was prescribed Zoloft (sertraline) maybe cinq months ago after an interview with a hominid in a white coat.
She told me that I was depressed, so here bro take these blue pills. (I prefer red pills myself)
I go YouTube and look at vidya of zolft reviews, seems cool man.

After being on them I can better see how I was depressed before, and probably still am, this just helps. The coat wearing hominid described it as a new coat of paint on an old car. Seems like a fitting description.

I have several vivid dreams per night, usually. While I'm no stranger to vivid dreams I've noticed I follow thru with tasks and actions in my dreams more often, whereas before I would either avoid action or struggle very hard. Performing intense physical tasks in a dream always had me overcome with a feeling of being stuck in quicksand. I'm also facing fears in my dreams more often.

Next step, apply this shit to real life.

 

[Sinny91]

Can't remember where I posted my last Vodaphone rant - but here's a continuation, lol.

Spoiler

Info at 10:21, Nov 17:
Sorry for the delay, we are currently experiencing high volumes. Please hold for the next available adviser.

Info at 10:21, Nov 17:
You're now chatting with Rupali.

Rupali at 10:21, Nov 17:
Hello, you're chatting with Rupali, how may I help you today?

Sinead at 10:21, Nov 17:
Hi.. I'm trying to cancel my extra data, but your over the phone options aren't allowing me

Sinead at 10:21, Nov 17:
"Unhandled command"

Rupali at 10:22, Nov 17:
Are you concerned about your extra data?

Sinead at 10:22, Nov 17:
obviously otherwise I wouldnt be here talking about it

Rupali at 10:23, Nov 17:
May I know the date you have topped up and activated it?

Sinead at 10:23, Nov 17:
Dunno

Rupali at 10:24, Nov 17:
Would you like to cancel auto renewal?

Sinead at 10:24, Nov 17:
Yes. I want it removed so I can put more on

Sinead at 10:25, Nov 17:
why am I unable to do this over the phone like usual?

Rupali at 10:25, Nov 17:
I will help you with this

Rupali at 10:25, Nov 17:
It's because the data is valid for 30 days.

Sinead at 10:26, Nov 17:
I Why am I unable to manually remove it myself?

Rupali at 10:27, Nov 17:
Sinead, it's system generated thing.

Rupali at 10:27, Nov 17:
If you wish I can do it from my end.

Sinead at 10:27, Nov 17:
Why is it saying "Unhandled command"?

Sinead at 10:28, Nov 17:
Are you not understanding? I should be able to remove the data myself. I know this because I've done it before a thousand times

Rupali at 10:28, Nov 17:
Becaue customer can not renew it within 30 days.

Sinead at 10:28, Nov 17:
I want to REMOVE not RENEW

Sinead at 10:28, Nov 17:
jesus

Rupali at 10:28, Nov 17:
I understand.

Rupali at 10:29, Nov 17:
Please try to understand, customer can not add extra data untill the expiration date of previou extra data bundle.

Sinead at 10:29, Nov 17:
The telephone options say "To remove extra data please press 1"

Sinead at 10:30, Nov 17:
I press 1 and it says "Unhandled command"

Sinead at 10:30, Nov 17:
This command usually works, so WHY IS IT NOT ?

Rupali at 10:31, Nov 17:
If you are syaing it work for you then please dial 191 so that they can check it.

Sinead at 10:31, Nov 17:
If I'm saying what?

Rupali at 10:32, Nov 17:
That you were able to activate extra data before the previous extra data bundle expired.

Sinead at 10:33, Nov 17:
New data cannot go on until the old data is removed.. UNDERSTOOD, but why am I unable to complete this action manually? Why are you not answering my bloody question

Rupali at 10:34, Nov 17:
I did answer that customer can not remove it from their end.

Sinead at 10:34, Nov 17:
SINCE WHEN?

Rupali at 10:35, Nov 17:
Since the beginning.

Sinead at 10:35, Nov 17:
Wrong

Sinead at 10:35, Nov 17:
BECAUSE I HAVE DONE THAT ABOUT 30 TIMES OR MORE

Rupali at 10:35, Nov 17:
Sinead, I am giving you the information which is with me at the moment.

Sinead at 10:36, Nov 17:
BUT YOU ARE GIVING ME THE WRONG INFORMATION.. CAN I SPEAK WITH UR BOSS PLEASE

Rupali at 10:36, Nov 17:
Sure.

Rupali at 10:36, Nov 17:
Is this the number in question, **********?

Sinead at 10:36, Nov 17:
DURR

Sinead at 10:37, Nov 17:
Listen, when we dial 2345 from our phones the options available include adding data AND removing it.. I want to know why the latter is not working and you have failed to give me a correct answer to my query

Rupali at 10:38, Nov 17:
In order to tranfer you chat to my supervior I need to verify the account ownership first. Shall I proceed?

Sinead at 10:38, Nov 17:
go ahead

Rupali at 10:38, Nov 17:
Thank you.
That matches our records! Thank you for verifying your details.

Rupali at 10:39, Nov 17:
Stay Connected.

Info at 10:39, Nov 17:
Please wait while we transfer you to Rajeev.

Info at 10:39, Nov 17:
You're now chatting with Rajeev.

Sinead at 10:40, Nov 17:
Hi Rajeev, I just need a minute please

Sinead at 10:41, Nov 17:
I was just telling your colleague that: When we dial 2345 from our phones the options available include adding data and removing it.. I want to know why the latter is not working

Rajeev at 10:41, Nov 17:
Sure, I will go through your chat and help you with it.

Rajeev at 10:41, Nov 17:
Please give me a couple of minutes to check it for you.

Sinead at 10:41, Nov 17:
sure

Rajeev at 10:43, Nov 17:
Thanks for waiting, Sinead.

Rajeev at 10:44, Nov 17:
You want to cancel your Extra data by calling our IVR service but it does not allow you to do it. Am I correct, Sinead?

Sinead at 10:44, Nov 17:
yes

Rajeev at 10:46, Nov 17:
Thanks for the confirmation.

Rajeev at 10:47, Nov 17:
I am sorry but the extras option cannot be renewed midway. It might be possible that you were able to do it earlier due to some system restrains.

Sinead at 10:47, Nov 17:
Well, I dont want to renew, I want to remove

Sinead at 10:48, Nov 17:
The telephone options should make this possible... I want to know why its not working

Rajeev at 10:49, Nov 17:
Sorry for the typo.

Rajeev at 10:49, Nov 17:
If you want, I can remove it for you from here. Shall I do it for you?

Sinead at 10:49, Nov 17:
Firstly you a explain why the option isnt working, because I'm SICK of NOT GETTING ANSWERS

Sinead at 10:50, Nov 17:
If I can call up to opt IN, surely I can call up to opt OUT.. Right?

Rajeev at 10:50, Nov 17:
This option was never available. It might be due to some system restrains you were able to remove it mid month.

Sinead at 10:51, Nov 17:
Your telephone options say that it is an option.. so why does it say that is an option if its not?

Rajeev at 10:51, Nov 17:
Yes, you can do it but it can only be opted out from the bundle expiry date.

Rajeev at 10:51, Nov 17:
You can not opt out from an extra in the middle of the 30 days after it is added to your account. If you call to remove it, it will be removed from 30th day only.

Sinead at 10:52, Nov 17:
Okay, well ever since I have had this phone number I have been able to do that.. I'm not happy that you are now telling me that I cant

Rajeev at 10:53, Nov 17:
I am sorry for that Sinead.

Sinead at 10:53, Nov 17:
The extra data renews its self from my credit every 30 days.. are you telling me that the only way I can cancel the roll over is to contact you on webchat and to go through this crap?

Rajeev at 10:53, Nov 17:
Yes, you can simply contact us and we will do it for you instantly.

Sinead at 10:54, Nov 17:
There's no "Simply" about it.. I've had to travel to wifi to make this chat happen

Rajeev at 10:54, Nov 17:
I am sorry for that.

Sinead at 10:54, Nov 17:
So, I cannot cancel my extra data package over your IV whatever system?

Rajeev at 10:55, Nov 17:
You can cancel it but it will be cancelled from the last day (30th day from the date it was activated). It cannot be cancelled midway within 30 days of it's renewal.

Sinead at 10:56, Nov 17:
So.. If I bought data extra but it runs out before the 30 days.. How do I get more, with ease?

Rajeev at 10:57, Nov 17:
You can contact us over the chat or through call to 191 (free from your Vodafone Pay & Go number) and we will remove it and then add it again for you.

Sinead at 10:57, Nov 17:
and whats the name of the team over at 191? Which team are they?

Rajeev at 10:57, Nov 17:
They are voice support team.

Sinead at 10:58, Nov 17:
Voice support?

Rajeev at 10:58, Nov 17:
You can select 2 - 3 - 2 options to connect to our Voice Support team over 191.

Sinead at 10:59, Nov 17:
Do you think that it is acceptable that customers have to call 2345 to add data, but then have to call 191 to cancel it?

Sinead at 11:00, Nov 17:
And If I cannot cancel data over the 2345 line, can you tell me why that option is supposedly available on that number?

Rajeev at 11:00, Nov 17:
It is because this helps our customer's to cancel it from the last day of their subscription.

Rajeev at 11:00, Nov 17:
It no where says that you can cancel it midmonth.

Sinead at 11:01, Nov 17:
I went through that option, It did not confirm cancellation at the end of 30 days but it said "unhandled command", why is it telling me that it's an "unhandled command"? What does that mean?

Rajeev at 11:01, Nov 17:
It might be due to some temporary error. You can restart your phone to check if it works.

Sinead at 11:02, Nov 17:
Already done that, problem is on your end (as always)

Rajeev at 11:03, Nov 17:
I am sorry if it is so. It happens due to some temporary technical issue.

Sinead at 11:04, Nov 17:
I'm sick of all these technical issues. Been plagued with them ever since I joined vodaphone.. I genuinely hate this network... Moving forward, can you please remove my extra data plans and put a new one on using my credit.

Rajeev at 11:04, Nov 17:
Sure, I will do it for you.

Rajeev at 11:04, Nov 17:
Please give me a couple of minutes to do it for you.

Sinead at 11:05, Nov 17:
Thank you.. Then please relay my concerns to your bosses.. If I can add data on 2345 then I'd very much like to be able to remove the data on 2345.. anything less in inefficient and not good enough.. I will be leaving this network asap, worst mistake I ever made buying a stupid (and crap) vodaphone phone.

Sinead at 11:06, Nov 17:
A quick google reveals that this is one of the most complained about networks consecutively in the last 5 years. It's about time you all got your act together.

Rajeev at 11:08, Nov 17:
Sure, I have taken your feedback and will surely try to improve our services.]

Sinead at 11:09, Nov 17:
Is my extra data on now?

Rajeev at 11:10, Nov 17:
Yes, I have arranged to add it now. You will get a text to confirm as soon as it is ready to use.

Sinead at 11:11, Nov 17:
Thank you for dealing with me, sorry I'm annoyed at the network not you.

Rajeev at 11:11, Nov 17:
I do understand your situation, Sinead.

Rajeev at 11:11, Nov 17:
Had I been at your place, I would have felt in the same way.

Rajeev at 11:12, Nov 17:
Thanks for your understanding and patience.

Sinead at 11:13, Nov 17:
Cheers. Tell your bosses that their questionnaires are meaningless. The staff are helpful, but I still would not recommend the network for reasons out of control of the frontline staff.

Rajeev at 11:14, Nov 17:
Sure, I will take your feedback and we will surely try to improve our services so that we can give our customer's the best service.

Ugh. Some fucking retards running these companies, I swear.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

https://torrentfreak.com/what-cd-shuts-down-following-reported-raids-in-france-161117/
What.cd Shuts Down Following Reported Raids in France

The hugely popular private music torrent tracker What.CD has shut down. After a reported raid on several of its servers in France, The tracker says it has destroyed all site and user data. What.cd itself hasn't confirmed any police action but cites "recent events" as the reason for its drastic actions.

what the fuck, this cannot be happening

seriously fuck 2016

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Here's something I wrote recently:

From Primordial Chaos came this vision surrounding thee; darkness was all, yet a flicker as a candle's light burned ever still, infinitesimal at first until burst in light through the centre, as a spectre in the endless voids of space.

And from this flame, the fuel became knownst and so too the transformative effects of this eternal heat for soon too did patterns form in the fire and form in the aether, to be known now as air.

Darkness became less and less, as life became of its own, known to itself.

And through these free forming patterns did the world become as it is before thee; from nothingness at the dawn, growing evermore since, never ceasing and never turning back, yet slowing and speeding to limitless heights.

And so was born the meaning of existence; that thee shall affirm all, and embark powerfully to eternal heights, eternally and ever-more, with infinity in sight.

 

[Tannhauser]

the rule of required capitalization after periods is a stupid rule. in which scenario is there ambiguity about whether the period itself marks the end of a sentence?

 

[yasasr11732]

the rule of required capitalization after periods is a stupid rule. in which scenario is there ambiguity about whether the period itself marks the end of a sentence?

I don't have a specific example, there might be ambiguity in scnerios involving abbreviations or numbers? I think main concern about that rule was readibility.

 

[Tannhauser]

I don't have a specific example, there might be ambiguity in scnerios involving abbreviations or numbers? I think main concern about that rule was readibility.

i guess the only potential confusion would be if you want to write for example "fourth" as "4.". in that case you could get a sentence like this:

my birthday is December 4. but there won't be a party.

it's not really an ambiguity because it's incorrect to say "my birthday is December four", so you know that is a single sentence. if you want 2 sentences you write

my birthday is December 4.. but there won't be a party.


as an aside: another bad rule is the capital "I" when referring to oneself. there is no other word which is just "i" which means something else, so it's completely unambiguous to write "i".

 

[Seteleechete]

A dot is small and unambiguous when reading at a faster rate it is more easily overlooked than a capital letter at the start of the sentence. The capital letter serves as an exclamation point that something key is written(so start of a name, "I" and start of sentences).

In general diversity and division in writing makes it easier to learn subconscious cues that you use when reading, when everything looks the same it becomes harder to differentiate.

 

[Redfire]

the rule of required capitalization after periods is a stupid rule. in which scenario is there ambiguity about whether the period itself marks the end of a sentence?

there are many of such stupid rules. in Spanish (why do I have to capitalize that, for instance?), there are two question marks. an opening question mark and a closing question mark. so you are supposed to write: ¿hola, como estás?
i always found it so annoying, that i just stopped using the opening question mark. but then i do things like capitalizing "i" for no reason. which i may stop doing now.

i think programmers are more likely to notice such inefficiencies (can't prove it at all: totally speculative).

afterthought: think about all the times you capitalized an "i". add all that time and energy, what do you end up with? add all the time and energy wasted on all possible inefficiencies, what do you end up with? this may not be a trivial matter.
i bet there's something written on the matter but i'm too tired to google. if someone finds it, post it here.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

if i'm on the internet i tend to not capitalise things a lot of the time because its faster to type this way, however i do agree that it makes it easier to read if i do capitalise the letters at the start of a sentence and makes it clearer to the mind that a new sentence has begun, since it would work better seeing it at the start of the sentence as well as the end, easier for brain to process etc. and also if i capitalise the start of sentences it makes what i write look more official imo

 

[Tannhauser]

A dot is small and unambiguous when reading at a faster rate it is more easily overlooked than a capital letter at the start of the sentence. The capital letter serves as an exclamation point that something key is written(so start of a name, "I" and start of sentences).

In general diversity and division in writing makes it easier to learn subconscious cues that you use when reading, when everything looks the same it becomes harder to differentiate.

the readability point is a fair point, but i personally find the capitalization to work against its intended purpose. instead of improving readability, it creates choppiness and lack of flow in the reading. if there is a need to initiate a new important sentence that leads a string of supporting statements, it seems better to start a new paragraph.

you could also leave the capitalization as an option if you intend to initiate some new string of thoughts but don't want to make a new paragraph.

sometimes the mandatory capitalization creates quite bad ambiguity, because you can have words which have different meanings based on whether they are capitalized or not. let's say you have a company name which is just "Shoes" or whatever. then if you want to lead the sentence with "shoes", you have to write "Shoes" in both cases, creating ambiguity about what you refer to.

 

[Tannhauser]

i think programmers are more likely to notice such inefficiencies (can't prove it at all: totally speculative).

i definitely think that's the case. they care about readability and syntactical consistency. arbitrary rules derived from tradition – not so much.

 

[Seteleechete]

My point was kinda that choppiness is a good thing in regards to reading(in moderate amounts). You don't want fluidity as much because lack of interruption makes it harder to process, memorize and ultimately understand.

On a sidenote, I didn't notice it before but I really make use of capitalised letters. It probably doesn't matter as much if you are a slow reader but my reading speeds can get a bit insane(1k+ wpm) and I do make use of capitalisation to orient myself.

 

[Sinny91]

the rule of required capitalization after periods is a stupid rule. in which scenario is there ambiguity about whether the period itself marks the end of a sentence?

In the scenario where you can't trust people to use the correct grammar because they've already made it clear that they can't or won't use the correct capitalisation.

(Sinny hurriedly edits in correct grammar)

 

[Sinny91]

i guess the only potential confusion would be if you want to write for example "fourth" as "4.". in that case you could get a sentence like this:

my birthday is December 4. but there won't be a party.

it's not really an ambiguity because it's incorrect to say "my birthday is December four", so you know that is a single sentence. if you want 2 sentences you write

my birthday is December 4.. but there won't be a party.


as an aside: another bad rule is the capital "I" when referring to oneself. there is no other word which is just "i" which means something else, so it's completely unambiguous to write "i".

Who's not putting the "th" at the end of 4?

4th.

Plus lower case "I" is ugly.

Many of the posters here are a plague on the English language. Unless I'm drunk, hindered by auto type or in an actual rush, I try to respect language as much as possible.

 

[Sinny91]

Anyway, I came here to rant about my stupid ESFP friend. She's so stupid it hurts. She lies a lot, but only half the lies are on purpose, the others derive themselves from her illogical thought processes, and self delusion.

There's been a lot of drama between her and some of her people, various debates - but a lot of her assertions have been along the lines of "Version A didn't happen, version B happened, and in proof of my point you can ask witness X , because I told them version B ,and so that makes version B the truth"

Or another of her favourites is "owning up" to half the accusations levelled at her, and then using that ownership as proof of her honesty in order to deny the rest.

Yea, unfortunately love, you're going to have to try harder... you bloody idiot.

I suppose she can only half be blamed for her stupidity... all the ESFPs I know operate in a similar manner.

We'll have to figure out a way to breed those out.

 

[Tannhauser]

Istj-style thinkers rise to positions of moderate authority by following strict rules and guidelines, and subsequently fuck everything up because the real world is chaotic and volatile.

the instinct to systemize is arrogance towards reality.

 

[Tannhauser]

We'll have to figure out a way to breed those out.

I fully support that agenda.

 

[Sinny91]

Istj-style thinkers rise to positions of moderate authority by following strict rules and guidelines, and subsequently fuck everything up because the real world is chaotic and volatile.

the instinct to systemize is arrogance towards reality.

My ISTJ manager was quite disliked back in my office days.. All her paper work and data input were perfectly systemised, but she had practically had zero people skills... and subsequently struggled to enforce most of her order.

Her attitude was like "I've already told them, if they don't want to listen on their jobs be it" (there was a scandalously high staff turn over)

But she was quite aggressive and stand offish most of the time, impatience permanently etched across her face, displeasure constantly vocal.

My role eventually evolved to encompass a lot of the staff training, and when it came to me I managed to get them all on board quite quickly and enthusiastically..

The only difference being the light heartedness, and playfulness I brought to the table.. not to mention corners cut.

The ISTJ was logical, but not always efficient. She had no qualms bending the rules for herself, but would not allow others to do so, deriving from a superior attitude. At times she was a slave to red tape , but at most times a slave to her own .

Meanwhile, I brought others into the fold..

"Here's a shortcut , utilise it, I just want the end result - and I want it right the first time, you're not just wasting our time but your wasting your own"

They soon fixed up

There was something extremely gratifying about them eagerly handing me their work to inspect to see if they'd managed to live up to my expectations ... they were getting there

.. if only I could be bothered to get up in the mornings.

 

[Tannhauser]

The ISTJ was logical, but not always efficient. She had no qualms bending the rules for herself, but would not allow others to do so, deriving from a superior attitude. At times she was a slave to red tape , but at most times a slave to her own .

Meanwhile, I brought others into the fold..

"Here's a shortcut , utilise it, I just want the end result - and I want it right the first time, you're not just wasting our time but your wasting your own"

They soon fixed up

There was something extremely gratifying about them eagerly handing me their work to inspect to see if they'd managed to live up to my expectations ... they were getting there

.. if only I could be bothered to get up in the mornings.

The enemy of an ISTJ is a subordinate with a mind of his/her own. It makes it harder to control the exterior world.

Sounds like you are a very good leader, Sinny.

Granted, of course, that you get out of bed in the morning.

 

[Creeping Death]

Is this ESFPish or something else?

There's this ESFP who I know of (judging by a test I convinced her to take). I heard plenty about her and was in her presence quite a few times before I engaged in any conversation with her, and once I did she didn't seem as bad as everything I've been told, but then I was being charming and flirtatious so she probably didn't behave the same way around me.
Here's what I know: she's extremely manipulative and cunning. She owns a "murder house" that she took over from her ex after he was jailed, for murder. That's why it's called a murder house. They had fallen off and started bringing any homeless person, junkie or sketchy fellow over to their house. Apparently she convinced her bf at the time to ax a transient who overstayed his welcome, and so here did, three to the head. He was rolled up in plastic in the garage while they tried to find a better place for the body. But then she had enough and called the cops. She didn't get any scrutiny and he's awaiting trial last I heard. She keeps a piece of cardboard with blood spatter from dead guy hanging in her room. She also wears his bracelet, which means she acquired it postmortem. Seems like trophies, even though not the murderer but the one pulling the murderers strings, like Manson.

 

[Sinny91]

The enemy of an ISTJ is a subordinate with a mind of his/her own. It makes it harder to control the exterior world.

Sounds like you are a very good leader, Sinny.

Granted, of course, that you get out of bed in the morning.

I never lead astray, awry maybe, but never astray

***

I'm watching a TruTv documentary about a couple of American Idiots - college boys - who went to New Mexico to camp out over night... inevitably they got lost, and nearly both died, one did.

They took a map which they couldn't read, 3 bottles of Gateraid and two meals.

They thought the buzzards would eat them alive.

One got ill and asked for assisted death.

Got his assisted death, just before the rangers arrived.

 

[Sinny91]

Is this ESFPish or something else?

There's this ESFP who I know of (judging by a test I convinced her to take). I heard plenty about her and was in her presence quite a few times before I engaged in any conversation with her, and once I did she didn't seem as bad as everything I've been told, but then I was being charming and flirtatious so she probably didn't behave the same way around me.
Here's what I know: she's extremely manipulative and cunning. She owns a "murder house" that she took over from her ex after he was jailed, for murder. That's why it's called a murder house. They had fallen off and started bringing any homeless person, junkie or sketchy fellow over to their house. Apparently she convinced her bf at the time to ax a transient who overstayed his welcome, and so here did, three to the head. He was rolled up in plastic in the garage while they tried to find a better place for the body. But then she had enough and called the cops. She didn't get any scrutiny and he's awaiting trial last I heard. She keeps a piece of cardboard with blood spatter from dead guy hanging in her room. She also wears his bracelet, which means she acquired it postmortem. Seems like trophies, even though not the murderer but the one pulling the murderers strings, like Manson.

Lol!

No, that's not ESFPish, that's batshit crazyish

You're into the craycray? That's totally cool.

Careful, you could be next.

 

[Tannhauser]

Is this ESFPish or something else?

There's this ESFP who I know of (judging by a test I convinced her to take). I heard plenty about her and was in her presence quite a few times before I engaged in any conversation with her, and once I did she didn't seem as bad as everything I've been told, but then I was being charming and flirtatious so she probably didn't behave the same way around me.
Here's what I know: she's extremely manipulative and cunning. She owns a "murder house" that she took over from her ex after he was jailed, for murder. That's why it's called a murder house. They had fallen off and started bringing any homeless person, junkie or sketchy fellow over to their house. Apparently she convinced her bf at the time to ax a transient who overstayed his welcome, and so here did, three to the head. He was rolled up in plastic in the garage while they tried to find a better place for the body. But then she had enough and called the cops. She didn't get any scrutiny and he's awaiting trial last I heard. She keeps a piece of cardboard with blood spatter from dead guy hanging in her room. She also wears his bracelet, which means she acquired it postmortem. Seems like trophies, even though not the murderer but the one pulling the murderers strings, like Manson.

hmm.. yes, ESFP is a reasonable fit (the ax to the head thing is so Se)

 

[Creeping Death]

Lol!

No, that's not ESFPish, that's batshit crazyish

You're into the craycray? That's totally cool.

Careful, you could be next.

I'm into crazy but not this person. I don't hang around those sorts anymore.

If it were simply role play and not murder then I wish I was next.

I remember going to that house with a friend around that time, literally the day before the police were notified and the bf cracked open the door and nervously said something about it not being a good time. We thought that we just interrupted their sexy time.

 

[Sinny91]

Omg. I do not want to get out of bed.

Won't somebody just kill me where I lay?