The Random Thoughts Thread

[Pressure's Spring]

Perhaps, it is better to say, that a rigorous nihilist would in effect, be in total paralysis, and this would ultimately lead to his/her death.

If there are no values then committing suicide is not preferable over any other action.

True.

However, one could also see it this way: choosing death, would in effect, mean the end of any possible action or choice.

Wouldn't that be the most honest means of testing a nihilist's worldview (since life itself inherently contradicts nihilism, thus, its fulfillment necessarily requires the cessation of life)?

Moving beyond the pleasure/pain (or whatever else, e.g. survival) valuation which many self-declared nihilists clearly express through their actions, motivations, or existence.

The final elimination of organic or experiential contradiction.

Spoiler

 

[Creeping Death]

Beer.

 

[Pressure's Spring]

On a basic level valuing occurs as a result of self-awareness extending recognized patterns into the realm of abstraction.

In (un-actualized) nihilism the process is corrupted and the patterns, rather than being affirmed via action, recognized, and extended into abstraction, are affirmed via action, recognized, and rejected through delusion (religious thinking/beliefs.)

 

[Sinny91]

So.. for the 2nd night in a row, I fall asleep early (10pm), but in stead of sleeping my preferred 12 hours or more, I wake up at 3am and 4am consecutively

-_-

This body will just not conform or comply by the sun, it always wants to be up at stupid o'clock.

 

[Pressure's Spring]

Modern day habits, for example, such as the daily shower, work, tooth-brushing, shopping, and change of clothes, would not have been a common activity among our ancestors, and so, I believe our drives toward the actions are naturally weak as a result of this, unless they are trained/forced.

I wonder if these drives can be cemented over generations, or at-least, strengthened, so that the propensity increases, and the behaviors are expressed with less external influence in the future, over to the following generations.

Sounds plausible.

On the other hand, I believe that there are many, more personal, biological inclinations we've inherited manifesting through different forms (or even being suppressed) under changing cultural/social conditions... Of-course, there are changes to the drive(s) itself as it beats through time.

 

[Rixus]

Sinny - how does the spirit world relate to morality in this context?

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[Rixus]

Interesting point in support of orc rights. We actually have evidence that they can form a fictional society without a master.

After the first fall of Sauron, many of the orcs fled into Moria where they pretty much kept to themselves. Anyone who entered was killed and probably eaten, but any orcs that strayed into human lands were killed. So could a treaty be made? There's no evidence that the deal with Saruman was anything other than a mutually beneficial ready. It's possible that a territorial treaty at least could be made, which does lend itself to the idea of having rights like other sentient species.

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[Sinny91]

We dont negotiate with Orcs, we kill them.

Rights are enforced by might, and we'll strike em down.

I've a couple of outstanding posts to make, I'll get on them this afternoon... oh wait, it is afternoon, lol.

Later.

 

[Rixus]

I thought posting on a forum was a method of procrastination? So you're procrastinating procrastination?

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[Black Rose]

random thought:

What if some of us on the forum banded together as a group and donated our bodies as food to feed the homeless?

It's best to think of others rather than ourselves.

 

[Rixus]

Sure. It's not like I need my body after I'm finished inhabiting it. But let's hope that this will not be for a long time. For any of us.

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[Sinny91]

I thought posting on a forum was a method of procrastination? ****************** So you're procrastinating procrastination? ******************

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Oh yea, I put the "pro" into procrastinating .

I promised Intolerable a post about the "alternative media" , but I got myself into a drunken stupor (possibly witnessed by the 35 or so edits I had to keep making) and fell asleep, and then last night I got myself into a stoned stupor... but inbetween all these stupors , I've been quite busy.

I hate leaving loose ends.

But I'm on a phone which is gay a fuck... hopefully I find the energy soon enough.

 

[Rixus]

I'm using my phone, too. (Obviously as it says which phone I have.) Don't give a fuck how it looks - I just want to lie on this settee.

Do you think being a stoner makes the procrastination worse? Back when I was one, I would use it as an excuse. We used to turn the phrase, "I'll do it tomorrow," into a theological stance. But TBH, this settee is still in the middle of the room from painting earlier even though it's dry now and I had dinner an hour ago yet my plate is still on the arm of the settee. (Side note - I've needed to re-paint since my ceiling was redone last March.)

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[Rixus]

Although in fairness to me, I'm only unable to move right now because I'm absolutely frelling knackered. My watch says I've burned over 5,000 calories today. Which is a lot even for me.

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[Sinny91]

Erm, yea and sometimes no.

Weed is like brain food isn't , so I get high, and I could just sit in a darkened room and my own thoughts could entertain me for hours on end.

Throw books and the internet into the mix, and you could entertain yourself infinitely.

But depending on the breed of plant, the type of high, and your state of mind, you could (and I do) channel that into action and physical productivity.

Give me a spliff, and I can easily occupy myself with and apply myself to any task.

It's when I'm not high that I get flustered and disorganised..

There are other ways I could rectify that, but I'm not motivated to do so.

I'd rather get high. For now at least.

It is far easier to loose track of the time when high, and say good bye to your short term memory.. but the pros outweigh the cons for me.

 

[Rixus]

My short term memory was utterly shit back then. I used to walk into a room and have absolutely no idea why I was there. And then go back to find out, only to forget again.

I do remember how it could make me extremely focused, though. When I'd finally accept it was time to do that assigned I'd been putting off, I would begin it with being exceedingly stoned. The outside world be dammed, I'd sit there working at it until the sun came back up. I could write some immense coding, but my fiction writing was amazing when stoned. (I studied both computer science and English. An odd combination, but I'm good at both.)

I think I did mention, though, how it would usually leave me sat there in my own little world for hours. Especially in a dark room. I'd go to bed fairly early, hang out of my bedroom window with a spliff and then realise how lost in thought I'd been when it was starting to get light.

It wasn't all bad, though. It meant easily making friends for once as most stoners will light up a joint with you and it's a good conversation starter. I still go out once or twice a year with one of my old smoking partners from Uni.

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[Rixus]

I have wondered, though. Most of the reason I'd sit there in silence was because no one would understand wtf I was talking about if I explained it. If was smoking with someone who did, would I just talk about it? You may even know the answer to that. Which is probably no because I doubt I could articulate it in that state. We'd just both have sat there in silence, probably.

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[Sinny91]

Sinny - how does the spirit world relate to morality in this context?

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Presumably morality is only exercised and/or experienced by those with access to the spirit:

I think we both know that we are more than “epiphenomena of this less-than-absolutely-Real physical dimension.” Whether we can believe what we know & whether it is desirable or wise to believe it, I don’t know.

Isn’t this a matter of what can be experienced and what can be thought about/languified, and the limitations of a form of perception that can only recognize what CAN be thought about, vs. one that does not require thought or interpretation in order to experience?

In other words, not so much a question of whether Spirit is accessible to human consciousness, but to which aspects of human consciousness?

There appears to be one aspect, the ego or false self, that can only exist in isolation from Spirit. Ergo, by definition, spirit will never be accessible to that aspect of human consciousness.

This is a terrible conundrum for the mind-based identity system to face. Yet since it is the Reality behind reality, face it it/we must.

See full context here: http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=553379&postcount=185

In relation to the Lord of Rings, it doesn't sound like the Orcs qualify for having "Spirit" or "Soul", if the perquisite premise of these authors is in anyway accurate... but if course, this is all conjecture.

Then again, if the Orcs were created purposely to be severed from the spirit, then it is through no fault of their own that they are what they are:

[As an aside: if we are all just physical epiphenomena with no deeper reality, then these acts of Will are all morally justified, since the law of the jungle operates here, and any act that bestows an advantage to oneself or ones tribe is “good”: do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Of course, even with my doubts, I believe that there *is* a deeper reality to human beings, and so I view “do what thou wilt” as deeply false, if “thou” is understood to be the lower ego divorced from Spirit.]

Devoid of spirit and morality, and all that is human, we call them "evil" , but that is just their nature.

 

[Rixus]

Ah, I see what you mean. So morality is linked to the existence of a soul and that means access to the spirit world. And the question is whether Orcs have souls.

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[Pressure's Spring]

Basically hedonism and nihilism don't seem mutually exclusive to me.

Hedonism and nihilism are related.

One can perceive nihilism as a corruption of value processing which consequently leads to hedonism, a instinctual alternative, a base response to pain or emptiness, which we can imagine ultimately leads to the destruction of any value processing whatsoever, since hedonistic lifestyles are indulgent, numbing, even harmful, and do not demand any cognitive stress, leading to atrophy. A nice little remedy to the anguish of a nihilistic perspective.

 

[Tannhauser]

My sleep cycle is officially fucked up. It's currently 8 AM and I still haven't gone to bed.

 

[Sinny91]

6.50am here, and ditto.

Blehh.

 

[Seteleechete]

In the past week there hasn't been an hour of the day I haven't slept on... and it's pretty much that way for most weeks atm. I don't really mind, a stable sleeping cycle is for people that have a schedule to follow.

 

[Sinny91]

I really need the loo, but I've gotta try to manage the situation for the next 30 minutes.. There are no public toilets (what is this barbarism?!) and I'm barred from the nearest boozer *_*

Ha.. it might helped if I stopped drinking this bottle of water.

 

[Rixus]

Have you asked Google where the nearest café is? Failing that, I don't know, garage?

(And somehow I'm not surprised you're banned. I've haven't been banned from a boozer since I was 19. Kicked out, but not banned. Ah, fun memories.)

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[Rixus]

Failing that, you could always empty the water bottle and use it as a container. If the situation is truly dire.

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[Sinny91]

Nobody ever is (surprised)

The condition to regain entry is to swallow ny pride, never gunna happen.

I had to seek the garage in the end.

 

[Rixus]

I'm gonna take a wild guess - it was not down to D&D. You told someone an uncomfortable truth, and they didn't take it quite so well.

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[Sinny91]

Got it in one.

 

[Rixus]

The power of intuition.

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[cheese]

I've started seeing myself as a character my consciousness plays. It's weird but fun. Every now and then I'll dip out of being cheese and see my thoughts/feelings/beliefs as constraints placed upon this particular iteration of selfhood, and my consciousness as having to navigate the world through this avatar within those parameters.

 

[Sinny91]

I don't want to deal with this.

@ cheese, I think that all the time.

 

[Rixus]

Deal with what, Sinny?

Cheese - depends on if it's a fantasy IV this world or one I could write. And even more amusing is if I give myself the powers) abilities from a story I've done. My favourite being the genetically altered soldiers of something I wrote when I was a teenager. (Terribly written, but cool heroes and a good story.) Or just how randomly amusingly different a situation would have gone of I had said what I was thinking.

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[Sinny91]

Hm, a number of things... I woke up unprepared and off guard when each situation presented it's self simultaneously.

1) Is dark and depressing
2) Throws me into uncertain territory, confusion and confliction.
3) Is a poor choice of mine, which I was supposed to rectify before now, - but I didn't , and now the consequences are here.

Today, is going to be a pain in the ass.

I need people to piss off and give me time to think.

 

[Rixus]

Not sure if that includes us.

Just take five, gather yourself, take a deep and do what you can. If in doubt, I find my first instinct was probably right and I just had to analyse why before acting. Regardless of how bad any consequences are, life will always be OK sooner or later.

(Or perhaps I should piss off and give you time to think. Sometimes I really need to say that to people, too.)

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[Sinny91]

Nah, not you guys so much... you all collectively tend to come up with something at least a little reassuring.

I'm going to ignore what I can, and brace myself for a storm... what will be, will be.

 

[Rixus]

If you want reassurance - it will be OK. If ever you need someone to just listen, but may drift off into their own world if you talk too long, attempt to offer some fumbling advice that really isn't worth the sonic waves it's printed on, but won't actually judge anything you say though it'll seem like they do because they forget to say that it's OK and will probably put their foot in their mouth at some point; then I'm here.

Seriously, I hope things work out.

 

[Sinny91]

I never thought I'd say this, but I rather dislike Evanescence's new song.

It sounds all wrong...

Damn.

***

And thanks Rick.. the turmoil has since calmed down a bit.

 

[Rixus]

Which song? Yet to hear one of hers I didn't like (except for that weird kids album she did when she became a mother and dressed like Mary Poppins.)

And my identity is compromised! Lol.

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[Sinny91]

Whats weird about that?

I only listened to the one song on that album, but it was pretty "neat"! lol.

The new song is called "Take Cover" , and I think you might agree with me. There are some live performances on YouTube, or a sort of studio version on FallenEV's channel.

Or maybe my hearing is off, or I need to give it time - like the 2011 album took me some getting used to, but I inevitably came to love it.

Check it out... but the hook/chorus thingy just sounds cheesy as hell to me.

Like, next level cheese, not teen goth cheese.

And now I feel like my identity is compromised!

Aha... but I'll reserve final judgement till the actual studio version comes forth... I love the covers she's been doing lately.

 

[Rixus]

I just listened. I see you're point. Just sounded like, "I'm a bitch, and I'm proud of it but I can't imagine a way I've been one."

She's not as good live, and the guitar is never as good. I had an album live in Paris, but I lost it in a hard drive failure. (Dam my cheap work computer.) But she did a cover of a Korn song that was wicked. Can't remember the title right now.

But if she ever goes live in the UK, I'll pick you up on the way. It's a life ambition, and no one else is going with me.

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[Sinny91]

The cover is called Thoughtless and is fucking amazeballz.

I disagree, I've seen them live twice, and they were brilliant, her vocals were amazing. Birmingham 2011&12 I think.

Although its rare for people's audio to pick up the sound at a decent quality. They dont disappoint when it comes to blasting the decibels.

I like her RockAmp videos which are recorded "live", but professionally.

My favourite live performance (apart from the ones I attended) has got to be the Nobel Prize performance of Lost in Paradise.

In every performance she has to work hard to maintain every note, and when she hits them to perfection.. damn, you cant help but just feel them as she does.

One poor live performance was a session in Germany of the 2011 album, but I think she was a bit ill or something.

Anywhere but Home is their old live album, and I'm not sure whether that's been re mastered or reinvented for their new boxset release on Dec 9th.

Well, looky here, I'm a walking advertisement, they should pay me royalties

 

[Rixus]

Thoughtless is the one. Agreed - was amazing.

And my word, you are a fan. I haven't seen that much excitement in your posts' tone before.

And I guess I mean sound can never be as good live as studio recorded. But I think it was just that they didn't do the solo of Haunted properly in Anywhere But Home (and it's like my all time favourite solo - for some reason, the whole song kind of makes me feel like if Death himself wanted a go I'd shove that scythe right up his ass.)

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[Sinny91]

Ahhh Haunted.. The most epic song, ever.

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God, getting out of bed at this time and temperature is one of the most challenging challenges I will ever face

 

[Seteleechete]

I have changed my mind regarding the cold. Mostly because I now sporadically enjoy going outside and dancing. The cold/rain while nice when you don't care about going outside hinders that purpose. Heat is still worse though.

 

[Rixus]

Truly epic.

I'm still shivering. I needed an ice pick to carve my car out of the ice this morning. Dash board reading -6°. (There'll be something getting Alaska or Russia along telling us to stop moaning because a glass of water freezes solid in under a minute where they.)

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[Sinny91]

Yea, agree about the heat.

I just had to cross a busy road, so came to the Zebra Crossing where there's a lolly pop man, and he's so freakin annoying! You step up to the curb and he goes "Stop! Don't stop! Stop! Don't stop! Keep going! Don't stop for 'em!"

Like WTF dude?!

Do you want to see me dance, or do you want to see me dead?!

Silly old twat!

 

[Rixus]

I have no caffeinated substance . Two hours of paperwork to do in under an hour, and no caffeine. Oh well.

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[Sinny91]

You can do eet, water boy!

 

[Rixus]

Yes. I did it. I managed to find some tea.

(And did the work, obviously.)

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