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Ever spent hours writing a really long post or experianced a burst of inspiration that had you write several chapters of a book? Have you ever spent hours trawling through wikipedia/tvtropes with more tabs accumulated than your browser can display at once? Have you ever become so engrossed in construction/design/research that you only stopped working on it when the combined pain of hunger, exhaustion and needing to pee broke you out of your reverie?

I really wanted to call this thread "Science Euphoria" but I figure it can involve other activities, being immersed in a video game is probably the most common form, but certainly not the best, in my experience the harder the activity is the harder it is to get started but the more euphoric it is once you do.

What are your experiences with this?
Where do you most commonly find your madness place, or what's your most recent topic of manic interest?

Which type do you think is most conducive to this?
INTP (obviously) but what about INTJs and ENTPs, is it different for them?

Or if your feeling lazy just list these: "You're in the madness place when..."
E.g. You're in the madness place when relearning geometric algebra to better design CAD models in your head.
 

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not sure if anyone can truthfully describe his own inner process. it might all be fabulation. but i like to give it another shot.

my "mad genius" is, when i am digging in my perception, trying to make conscious or crystallize what i have gained over time, in subconscious insights about reality and self. i come up with new questions or new containers (structures, frameworks), to fill with such data. the containers evolve with incoming data. enough data was collected to create a leap in the structure (but i may be unaware of this, until i begin to play around).


i gain subconscious data, by staring at the conscious objects, and being sensitive to all associations that come up. this only amounts to something extraordinary, when there is a method, which lies in selecting the various conscious objects to stare at, at once, or in which order i examine them. this is guided by the framework of expectation, which is a frame work of trial and error.

the collection of objective objects that i take in seems unjustified. to use a food metaphor, which totally grosses me out by the way, because i am not talking about objective sensor stuff like food, but just as a metaphor: there is nothing in mentos that says "i should be examined together with coke" .. but something inside, something that is subjective, intuits that it will be a promising mix. the metaphor is lacking, because it could be assumed, that the intuition about the explosive potential is based in objective knowledge about the properties of mentos and coke, which would result in a hunch about how they might relate chemically. that's not what's guiding the mix though. it's a preference for explosions, over any other sort of reaction that might be possible. there is nothing in mentos that says: "i should amount to an explosion, once i find my proper place in live." the experiment is not guided by a random curiosity about what might happen, when the oddest possible things are mixed. i don't give a fuck about random reactions, because i don't care about the interactive life of objective objects to begin with. but i'm on a quest for: what is going to amount to something great, something transcended? and that without prior knowing of what an explosion is. finding out, what such greatness looks like, how it would unfold in the manifest world, is the conscious result or product of the intuitive process/search.

what i actually talk about is ideas, perceptions, subjective perspectives, purely speculative artificial comprehensions or interpretations of supposedly objective objects - objects such as charles manson - there are plenty of ways to speculate about what his spirit is like, right? what is it, to see life as he does? you come up with those speculations, from your subconsciousness. such speculations are to me, what chemical molecules are to the explosion loving chemist in my metaphor. my mind wonders, what inspired but unfounded speculations - that come up while staring at which things - would most likely ignite a break through in perception, when brought together into the mind, into a fusion? then i stay with that mix for a while, i animate the virtual subject and judge what it's up to, or i try to improve on it, by adding to it. what if i put charles manson, adolf hitler and nietzsche into one body*? what do they have to tell me about the reality of the human condition, or about zoomed in aspects, such as what is it, to hold an ideology, or what is it, to manifest a unique/unconventional will? (*btw, manson hitler and nietzsche are an unauthentic/random mix, chosen for the sake of giving an example, because i can't come up with a genuine example, that could be communicated - not all spirits have famous names on them, for example when i am scanning my friends, seeking for what makes them tick, what transpersonal spirit is revealed, when several of my friends are combined into a "type"?)

within what i have described, i am not concerned with logical synthesis of philosophical thinkers. i do that too, but it's a different construction site, all together and i go there less frequently. that would be Te stuff. i mostly do that, when i read what people have to say, but i don't go there a lot, i don't read very much. (i have like only 20 books on human interiors, 5 books may be highly logical).

what i described seems to be an interaction of Ni and Se. Ni is what is seeking, Se is the trial and error process of looking at various objects. or perhaps it's just RAW S. no e to it. i don't bother to be too objective, i just stay long enough with the object (S) until subjective speculations are ignited.

usually i would just hang out in my life and look at whatever presents itself. this creates insight about those things, but it's limited to what happens. although there is a special value in seeing, what subjects present themselves together, naturally. this is totally mandatory to making intuition into something smart.

i rarely have the mental energy to set up such experiments of unreal fusion in my mind. it's not something that is unavoidable for my type. someone who is less smart might not do it at all, ever. i am not sure, if i did this before my 20ies. a certain desperation is needed, for me to sit down and to try very hard to create new insights, out of "thin air", which is how this arbitrary configuration of various memorized objects seems to me.
 

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my "mad genius" is, when i am digging in my perception, trying to make conscious or crystallize what i have gained over time, in subconscious insights about reality and self.
I can relate to that, quite often I'll "know" something can be done or if there's a better way of doing something before I'm consciously aware of the solution.
 

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My madness place is when I've stayed awake longer that most people should and it seems like my brain is on steroids (in terms of thinking ability of course). my mental abilities seem to boost after the 24 hour mark.
 

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The madness place can only be examined in hindsight, for its euphoria transcends all mortal obligations, even those of introspection. The experience is one much like being connected to a universal intelligence far greater and more powerful than one's own; it is from that power that the insights flow. And this 'universal intelligence' feels as if it is omnipresent, much like a monotheistic God or the Force. Yet it is not a God, nor is it a physical entity that imbues its wielders with untold power; rather, it is a world-- a Platonic World of Forms.

-Duxwing
 

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Diagrams. It usually occurs after a discussion or a class. I sit down on some nearby bench and continue reflecting and re-comprehending the subject and making diagrams about the subject all morning, finding more and more links. The process is easily Ti-Ne.

I wish I could exploit it. Activate it by will.

It's a state of pleasure and a source of procrastination so it is somewhat a "P" trait. But passion is available to everyone.
 
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Ever spent hours writing a really long post or experianced a burst of inspiration that had you write several chapters of a book? Have you ever spent hours trawling through wikipedia/tvtropes with more tabs accumulated than your browser can display at once? Have you ever become so engrossed in construction/design/research that you only stopped working on it when the combined pain of hunger, exhaustion and needing to pee broke you out of your reverie?

What are your experiences with this?
Where do you most commonly find your madness place, or what's your most recent topic of manic interest?

Which type do you think is most conducive to this?
INTP (obviously) but what about INTJs and ENTPs, is it different for them?

Or if your feeling lazy just list these: "You're in the madness place when..."
E.g. You're in the madness place when relearning geometric algebra to better design CAD models in your head.

Interesting use of the word "manic".

This is me a lot of the time, but it also comes with lows. Research design. On occasion I can run like this for 4-5 weeks at a time, and then a crash (which is where I'm at right now and have been since September). Da Blob (;)) might call this "flow" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_(psychology) ). Coincidentally, these experiences combined with Dabrowski's Positive Disintegration led me to believe that I'm actually ENTP, since Ne seems to uncontrollably dry hump the universe when I'm in such a high state. However, there are still the lows, which are very real. This led me to other realms of psychology where I was diagnosed bipolar, which was recently revised to schizotypal. I like my meds. Of course this whole experience has led to some awesome conclusions and ideas in and of itself, but I'll get to it... one day.

Also noteworthy is that I'll get into one of these idea mode states and produce so much that I either lose interest or simply can't do it all, which is why I have a cadre of 8 and counting undergrads to do my bidding (and bake me cookies). There are upsides to university, especially the higher you go; but some would be more of interest to you in particular, namely funding and recognition. Retail paychecks can only do so much for you in those areas.

As far as which type? ENTP, followed by INTP. INTJ work habits are different. I'm willing to bet they experience "flow", but not a flow of possibilities and universe dry-humpery. @ProxyAmenRa : explain, sir.
 

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Sitting in front of my computer doing art. Especially 3D animation, it's addictive. During finals in college, there were times when I sat working for more than 24 hours straight... not eating or sleeping, or even peeing. I tend to escape from the world this way, nothing else exists except for the project at hand.
 

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Sitting in front of my computer doing art. Especially 3D animation, it's addictive. During finals in college, there were times when I sat working for more than 24 hours straight... not eating or sleeping, or even peeing. I tend to escape from the world this way, nothing else exists except for the project at hand.

How difficult is it to animate in 3D?
 

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Happens all the time. I'm very voracious when it comes to information, discovering new interesting things and the like. Leave no stone unturned! :phear:

Sometimes it puts me in a bizarrely hyper state of body and mind...I feel like everything has sped up in my head, I sometimes get really overwhelmed and can't calm down for a while. I'll also sweat and experience a rush of blood to face/head, increased body heat and a desire for movement, like pacing. But hey, I pace a lot in general when I think and study.

I don't write anything down in a burst of inspiration, but I talk 'out loud' what I'd write in my head.
 

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Trying to find a simpler proof of Fermat's Last Theorem.

That's my madness place.

(One of them, there are others, most of them are related to math.)
 

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As far as which type? ENTP, followed by INTP. INTJ work habits are different. I'm willing to bet they experience "flow", but not a flow of possibilities and universe dry-humpery. ProxyAmenRa : explain, sir.

Work does progress itself in ebs and flows but generally I allocate my time according to the dead line.
 
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Work does progress itself in ebs and flows but generally I allocate my time according to the dead line.

Thanks for the verification.

I avoid deadlines, or at least commit the minimum possible to a given deadline to free up resources for the promising whims and observations.
 

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My madness place is my sane place.

It is my escape from the trivial, everyday, wanna-stab-myself-in the-eye-with-a-blunt-pencil routine that is existence at the moment.

It is mostly when researching something, anything....I don't eat, drink, pee, my legs will be aching and I will sometimes have a severe headache from staring at the screen for hours and even then I cannot tear myself away. I have realised how obsessive I am since the day I got a computer....because now, information is at my fingertips!

Unfortunately this seems to have had a detrimental impact on my creative artistic outlet, I haven't painted a single picture in years. Painting used to occupy me in a similar way, I would be linked to the canvas until I almost fell over on my chair. It is difficult to describe the total immersion...but I can liken it to being so absorbed in a process that one actually forgets time, space and one's own existence for a while. One becomes one with the subject matter.

When you finally manage to get away, it is only to get a few hours of exhausted sleep, and it is exhausted sleep because you will be dreaming about the process...it does not let up until you have completed whatever it is you started.

In my studies, I will usually not be happy to start an assignment until I have researched absolutely every aspect of the topic, and I will have exhausted all the databases...and myself. I have this habit of printing off twentyfold of journal articles so that I can spread them all over the room, and then I will be on the floor with a highlighter, scanning madly, like a machine until I have every important detail of the total picture. Only then am I ready to start writing....this is usually the night before the deadline.......

And then the writing process....what a nightmare when you have such high expectations of yourself...it kills me, but it has to be done this way; I may be lazy in other ways, but a topic of interest will keep me going until I collapse.

Quite similar to the painting process...I will not start painting until I know exactly what I am doing, and then I have to work fast and intensively while I have all the information in my head.

It drives me bonkers, but it is one of the only things that gives me "meaning" and usually takes priority over human interaction.

Certain humans hate me for it.

Employers like it though.....:slashnew:

Edit: I am not sure about types more likely to behave like this, I'm not even sure of my type. NT something. My mother is ESTJ and she certainly obsesses over her studies like no one else I know. My dad is ISTJ/P and was equally obsessive about his work. He is also quite artistic/musical. My brother is just an extreme perfectionist in everything he does, he is ESTJ as well. He lives in his "electronic attic", which basically is a room full of monitors and wires and every gadget possible, and here he lives, barely eating and drinking 2 litres of coffee every day. He is an electrician, but self-taught software developer/ programmer and Hi-Fi builder and magazine writer. My sister is ENFP and more "airhead"-like, but she has this talent for writing and is definitely obsessive-minded and certainly one of the brighter sparks in the family.

So perhaps I learnt this behaviour......I don't know any other way of being.
 

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Hehe, I can relate to a lot of the above. A recurring motif that used to come up in my writing for ages, was the idea of being shown an image over narrative only to step back and see it as a photo or a picture. I've just likewise been able to live in an activity or fantasy so intensely that it becomes reality. Often has a lot to say about you to, as I think at that level it has to become unconsciously driven to an extent.

I'm not very good at sitting down though. I'm a humanities student, so if I'm not socialising, I'm reading. But I have to move between locations throughout the day, and often like to go wandering for a few hours (like the Alice quote below, pick a direction and go, no porpoise necessary.) My thoughts tend to follow with the momentum of the movement. I'd say as a result that walking is my madness place, in the sense of creativity, and my room is my madness place in the sense of 'if I stay here much longer, I will go completely insane.' Both tend to feed into whatever creative endeavor I'm working on.

:D

Perhaps similar to what nanook is describing, I just like being in that place between the external and the internal, where objects take on more implicit meanings than their explicit arrangement. My interests have sort of followed suit with this and walking more recently: situationism, psychogeography, crowd psychology, synchronicity, comics, et al.

I can relate to that perfectionist attitude of only wanting to work when everything's there. I think more and more I'm frustrated with our quick-paced society. You could hardly ever even know your own space, knowing that on the periphery is this haze of rushing subjects and advancements. I generally end up researching something as much as I can as well, then write assignments the day before, knowing at that point of writing I knew as much as I could know. This has paralysed my creative writing for a long time though - as there's no deadline, and my understanding will never be good enough to handle the material as maturely as I'd like to; but I think now I'm researching things where a total understanding is besides the point, I'm more liberated, and I become more crazed, expressive and guilty of associative thinking whenever I sit in front of a blank page. :o
 

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How difficult is it to animate in 3D?
Like most everything, the more practice you have in it, the easier it gets. Also, it depends on the operation. If I am modelling simple hard surface devices, like a set of surgical tools, etc. then that is pretty straight-forward. If the project requires the realistic tearing or fusion of organic tissues, then that is an entirely more complex process with many possible solutions.

The work itself is actually very relaxing, the biggest difficulty for me is working on a team of J-types. Unfortunately, my art director and I tend to clash. He's a rather emotional individual..
 

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I recently had to do a history report on Weapons of Mass Destruction and spent probably around 6 hours a day for several days digging through various intelligence agencies' declassified files. All my friends (OK, I have 2) thought I was insane. But I only engage in uninterrupted, insane, research when there's something I really need to find out. For example, I took a free online personality test, then proceeded to find out everything free and available about MBTI and INTP. I probably spent a total of around 10 hours over the course of a week, and I have a lot of other things I need to do as well, but I had to get all that knowledge.

Otherwise, when I am bored (but only when it's relatively quiet), I can explore my mindmap (I think I made that word up -- the grammar/spelling checker says it's not a word). I put all sorts of memories and other interesting ideas there, based on where they are geographically located or take place. I can zoom in and out, from a house to a world map. I can spend a lot of time in there, and I get annoyed when anyone interrupts me. I only made my mindmap a couple of years ago and have not yet decided on the best way to put things there so they will stay (I have only around 10-15 memories/ideas there). Does anyone else do that? Any advice?

I also enjoy reading up on crime and criminal psychology. I have a natural ability to notice when things are wrong and/or don't add up, so when I read in the newspaper about the "serial" killings of 3 middle-eastern men from the 2 middle eastern countries that have been going through the most turmoil lately, and that the killer managed to avoid all security cameras, covered the bodies with whatever materials he had on hand, shot each person point blank at a time when no one else was in the store (closing time), then never killed anyone on the radar again, I started to speculate on ways that I could prove that this wasn't a serial killer. I thought about this case for weeks -- I still do -- but I never really did anything about it. I read stuff on the internet and searched for information on Middle Eastern assassination styles, but couldn't find anything (to no surprise). Stuff like this really fascinates me. I wouldn't really call it "euphoria" because I don't think I think about these things because I enjoy it (which I do). I think about them because I can't stop my brain. I suppose you could describe it as my "madness place."

SW
 

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My genius comes in 'flashes" and seem to be occurring less frequently as I age. The last big project that totally engrossed me was "The Artistry of Stress". Prior to the writing of that I basically read in a month's time the entire Encyclopedia of Stress, everything written by Richard Lazarus and a seemingly untold number of other things related to stress.

The Bibliography for that thesis was 10 pages long...

I've had similar events involving the Bible, Hemispheric Specialization, Piaget etc.

My Reading Comprehension levels are off the charts. It is a real shame that my writing skills lag so far behind, for if not, my existence as a human could have made more of a positive difference...

So It Goes!

EDIT: afterthought
I do play in photoshop and often I lose track of time while I am working on an album. However, I am not particularly inspired or inspiring when dealing with visual images.
I wonder if this 'madness' we speak of has any relationship to traditional inspiration?

BTW- @ Wolf18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Method_of_loci
 
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