• OK, it's on.
  • Please note that many, many Email Addresses used for spam, are not accepted at registration. Select a respectable Free email.
  • Done now. Domine miserere nobis.

The emotionally-invulnerable INTP

Chimera

To inanity and beyond
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
963
---
Location
Lake Isle Innisfree
_________
____________

For a while I thought it was an anomaly among the INTPs (ha! as if), but I keep seeing evidence of it. . .

True, we hide our feelings away and bind them up nice and tight so they don't get in the way of our analyzing and theorizing, but are we actually stronger because of that, or are we just immune to the things that generally cause people emotional pain? Maybe we think of ourselves as emotionally dead (or emotionally strong) because we're not affected by the little things that make other people sad. But we're not really. . .emotionless, are we? (Most of us, anyway.)

I'm usually stable in my setting of low emotion. I don't like letting them out to play. But I know that I can in fact be harmed emotionally. I just have a habit of harming myself, rather than other people doing it for me. I just have to think back to the last time I felt so hopeless I didn't want to get out of bed. Desperation, hopelessness, sadness. . .those are feelings, right?

Extroverts rely on other people for their happiness, but they also get emotional pain in return. As introverts we rely on ourselves for our happiness (I think), so does that mean we're also forced to "hurt" ourselves in return?

Sorry if this made no sense. I feel like I'm rambling again. ><
____________
_________
 

Ermine

is watching and taking notes
Local time
Today 11:04 AM
Joined
Dec 24, 2007
Messages
2,871
---
Location
casually playing guitar in my mental arena
If anything, I'd say that we are some of the most emotionally vulnerable. We are just careful to keep them behind concrete walls and try not to trigger them. Maybe I'm an exception, but once my emotions are triggered, my immature Fe is very hard to control, be it tears of frustrations or ecstatic euphoria. Hopefully, it will stay contained so I don't have to deal with it in the first place.
 

Decaf

Professional Amateur
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
2,149
---
Location
Portland, OR, USA
I agree. I'm predominately unemotional about most everything in my life, but when I am emotional, I never accomplish anything that I actually wanted to. When I'm in that mode I seem to run on instinct instead of my normal careful deliberateness.
 

fullerene

Prolific Member
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Jul 16, 2008
Messages
2,156
---
hm.... make's perfect sense to me. I dunno why it wouldn't...

I find myself very vulnerable to certain things, but they're just none of the ones anyone would expect. My Fe is pretty pent up, but when something finally hurts enough to spark a response, I generally find it remarkably liberating. As long as no one is around to see it. I don't think I can formalize what pushes me one way or another on the spot, but I'll think about it for a couple days while other people talk...
 

Decaf

Professional Amateur
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
2,149
---
Location
Portland, OR, USA
My Fe is pretty pent up, but when something finally hurts enough to spark a response, I generally find it remarkably liberating.

It DOES feel nice to let go. Sometimes its irresponsible anger, sometimes its crying. As long as no one gets hurt or my life gets additionally complicated it can be very rejuvenating.
 

Ermine

is watching and taking notes
Local time
Today 11:04 AM
Joined
Dec 24, 2007
Messages
2,871
---
Location
casually playing guitar in my mental arena
At least we have that going for us. Our fears and insecurities are obscure and abnormal, and are only accessed by people we admire and respect, which is a fairly small number of people.
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
People have a hard time getting under my skin, mostly because I'm ignoring them before they even start. Any insults I do listen to I will either logicly consider them (then thank the person for telling me my flaws) or I find it amusing.
Being called something then actually imagining it can be very funny.

For me problems start when I'm introspecting and I find an emotional sore spot or memory; then I get to suffer what seems like physical pain for a few hours. I can count the number of times I've been strongly emotional on one hand, but damn can they hurt.

Does anyone else have emotion sneak up on them? I once had a pet puppy get run over (latter found out it wasn't an accident) and that night I cried, even though I didn't feel sad and my face didn't appear sad, the tears just came on their own.

Yes I realise that may not be normal, but I'm sane at a functional level.
 

Decaf

Professional Amateur
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
2,149
---
Location
Portland, OR, USA
I go here when I feel like I need to let out some emotional energy. It keeps me from being hurtful or callous.
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
Yes laughing at other peoples emotional baggage makes me feel better too :D
Thank you

Now if only the world had more angsty emos for me to laugh at.
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
...that night I cried, even though I didn't feel sad and my face didn't appear sad, the tears just came on their own.

Yes I realize that may not be normal, but I'm sane at a functional level.

It's more normal than you think - and actually healthy, as I've said before. Without these moments of emotions sneaking up on us, who knows how much more messed up we'd be!
If anything, I'd say that we are some of the most emotionally vulnerable. We are just careful to keep them behind concrete walls and try not to trigger them.

Whenever I read things like this I always imagine a poor little child locked up in a dungeon, crying. He's barely fed enough to eat, and hardly taken out to the light. He wants to get out, and is always looking for an escape, but the walls are meters thick and the bars are diamond hard.

Now the way that I see it, these "walls" work two functions:
- To keep any danger to our emotions outside, and
- To keep this immature kid locked inside

The first is a strength, the latter is a weakness. I believe it is possible to keep the strength but do away with the weakness.

We need not to make these titanic walls any less strong - or make ourselves more vulnerable. We need only to give this kid some better room service. We need only to give him some better nutrition and let him see sunlight every once in a while. Having been locked up for all his life, even this little bit is enough for him to be healthy.

He knows fully well to stay in his dungeon when the other guys in our head are discussing theory (Ti, Si, Ne) - but those other guys should also know fully well that when they're not discussing theory, it's ok to let him out for some fun.
 

anemian

Active Member
Local time
Today 12:04 PM
Joined
Nov 2, 2008
Messages
129
---
You know that huge project you worked on. All that time lovenly designing it all the time you spent balancing the positives and negatives. Then painstackingly making it into something.

Guess what it sucks and we're doing it a worse way because I said so.
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
We need not to make these titanic walls any less strong - or make ourselves more vulnerable. We need only to give this kid some better room service. We need only to give him some better nutrition and let him see sunlight every once in a while. Having been locked up for all his life, even this little bit is enough for him to be healthy.

He knows fully well to say in his dungeon when the other guys in our head are discussing theory (Ti, Si, Ne) - but those other guys should also know fully well that when they're not discussing theory, it's ok to let him out for some fun.

Thats what I use video games for, but as you have all seen in the virtual dinner party thread that my "inner child" is an utter sycopath; I also let him out here on occasion. But untill I can reconcile with it those walls are staying up and guarded.

Maybe I should learn to play music and fall in love, that would go a long way towards stablising my emotional self. Anyone else got ideas for positivly exercising their emotion?
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
Maybe I should learn to play music and fall in love, that would go a long way towards stabilizing my emotional self. Anyone else got ideas for positively exercising their emotion?

...um... ...Nia? ...LoR? ...Cryptonia?

hmmm...
Maybe there should be a thread dedicated to developing this inner child. I'm surprised one doesn't exist. LOL, to be honest, it would probably end up looking like it came right out of an INFJ forum.

What do you say? Would it be too much of a disgrace to this INTP forum's integrity? Is it too far out of character? Or does it just seem so because we're so accustomed to not expressing such things?
 

Chimera

To inanity and beyond
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
963
---
Location
Lake Isle Innisfree
We need not to make these titanic walls any less strong - or make ourselves more vulnerable. We need only to give this kid some better room service. We need only to give him some better nutrition and let him see sunlight every once in a while. Having been locked up for all his life, even this little bit is enough for him to be healthy.
_________
____________

Hmm. . .I'm not completely disagreeing with you. I do think we should exercise the kid a little bit, under supervision. Possibly in chains.
The problem is, I like the way I see things now. I like being instinctual, analyctical, not drowning in emotions. It suits me. I enjoy it.
So. . .why should I try to change it?
Perhaps I have a better grasp of the Fe function than some INTPs. I'm not sure, and obviously I can't really figure it out.
Some people need an excess of emotion. Others need very, very little. We can't say which way is better.
There is no perfect balance. People are wired differently; what level of Fe I'm comfortable at is unique for me, and what level of Fe the girl sobbing to me over the phone at the moment is at is unique to her.
Emotional people are told all the time that they need to reign their emotions in.
Why should someone change if they feel (more or less) comfortable with how they are?
____________
_________
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
_________
____________

The problem is, I like the way I see things now. I like being instinctual, analyctical, not drowning in emotions. It suits me. I enjoy it.
So. . .why should I try to change it?
Why should someone change if they feel (more or less) comfortable with how they are?
____________
_________

Developing this child will not change your ability to be instinctual and analytical. As I said, the kid knows when to go back to it's dungeon and let you analyze in complete clarity. All it wants is just a little fresh air.

The question you asked: Why should someone change if they feel (more or less) comfortable with who they are?

Truly there is no need to change at all. This child could remain in it's closed corridors for the rest of you life. However the benefit there is to be gained from this development is, in my opinion, something to consider.
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
All this talk of tortured children is making me feel bad
*strangles inner child*
ah, much better :D
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
All this talk of tortured children is making me feel bad
*strangles inner child*
ah, much better :D
Cute%20monkey.gif
<------- look at that!!! that's your poor inner child! u meanie! :mad:




(EDIT: I have just demonstrated a small expression of the Fe child. See, it's not so bad)
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
Bigger :D

How is a mis-shaped monkey with compound eyes supposed to envoke empathy?
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
Bigger :D

How is a mis-shaped monkey with compound eyes supposed to envoke empathy?

AddEmoticons126101.gif
...you called me "mis-shaped"?!?!

I've had it! :mad: Cog, I'm leaving you! forever!

Good luck trying to fall in love now! I hope you die single and 80! you JERK!







(EDIT; That would be a negative expression of the Fe)
 

Chimera

To inanity and beyond
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
963
---
Location
Lake Isle Innisfree
_________
_____________

Auburn, you know those things literally made me twinge and cover my eyes?
If that was really my inner child, I would have no problem locking it away in a dungeon!
I just got my daily dose of Doctor Who-induced introspection, and you go and burn it all up with revolting .gif MONKEYS?!
I'M GONNA KILL YOU!!
How's that for negative Fe?
;)
____________
_________
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
Oh it's a football-head monkey!

----> | > | ---->
---> |__| ---> score!
M______|__|________-->

edit: now why isn't that working?
edit2: I drop-kicked a monkey through the goal posts

And will the Americans stop using body-armor in their games,
were not going to hurt you that much (Aussie rugby is played without padding)
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
*carries crying monkeys away before they get killed by Cog*

"...there... there..."

"...you guys did great. thanks for at least helping me try to talk some kindness into those jerks..."

"...you can go back to infjforum.com now... :o "
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
*Reves up INFJ chainsaw*
Your right Auburn letting the emotional side of me out feels great
 

Chimera

To inanity and beyond
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
963
---
Location
Lake Isle Innisfree
_________
____________

I prefer watching rugby over football anyday.
Actually, I prefer watching anything over football. That craze is one thing I'll never understand. . .
I think it looks more fun to play rugby too. But I still like soccer and ice-hockey the best. Though I can only play the former. . .
But I'm not much of a sports fan in the first place.

@Auburn;;
Oh god. Please tell me the infj forum quip was really just a joke.
.____.
____________
_________
 

NoID10ts

aka Noddy
Local time
Today 12:04 PM
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
4,541
---
Location
Houston, TX
I tend to be pretty distant emotionally, but I will have outbursts of emotion every once in a blue moon.

Dealing with death is a good example. I hate funerals because the outpouring of emotions actually bothers me quite profoundly. I just feel like a freak because I don't know what to do. I know that I don't "feel" like everyone else. Seeing people sob and wail just freaks me out because I don't understand it.

But I will never forget when my grandmother died. She was like a second mother to me. We were on our way to see her when we got the call that she died. When we entered the room and I saw her body lying there I absolutely lost it. I don't think I have ever had an outpouring of emotion like that before and it was uncontrollable like a flood gate. It was also cathartic. After that moment, I was able to carry on. I even spoke at her funeral without "losing it".

It seems like I have this strong undercurrent of emotion that is always there, rarely surfaces, but violently erupts on occasion.
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
_________
____________

@Auburn;;
Oh god. Please tell me the infj forum quip was really just a joke.
.____.
____________
_________

Yes, actually, here's the link to their emoticons. :D
@ Cognisant: we can drag-and-drop them onto here.
 

Chimera

To inanity and beyond
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
963
---
Location
Lake Isle Innisfree
_________
____________

Psst, guys. Don't hijack the thread with smileys, m'kay?
:rolleyes:

@NoID10ts;;
I've only been to one funeral in my life, and that's when I was young (about 7 or 8). It was for the death of my friend's mother. Maybe it was because I didn't know her mother very well, but I couldn't figure out how to act. I saw my mom crying, so I tried to as well. . .I officially don't like funerals because of that. Trying to cry is terrible.
I have the same issue with the bursts of emotion. I think it's just because our Fe is always straining against the lockdown we have it in. When something breaks through, it's. . .bleh. Undescribeable.
____________
_________
 

Chimera

To inanity and beyond
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
963
---
Location
Lake Isle Innisfree
_________
____________

Apparently Auburn agrees. ;]
____________
_________
 

Auburn

Luftschloss Schöpfer
Local time
Today 10:04 AM
Joined
Sep 26, 2008
Messages
2,298
---
Chimera, I'm sorry...I'll stop...:o
*puts Fe child back into his cage, chaining his arms and legs with fetters*
 

EloquentBohemian

MysticDragon
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Oct 4, 2008
Messages
1,386
---
Location
Ottawa, Canada
Whenever I read things like this I always imagine a poor little child locked up in a dungeon, crying. He's barely fed enough to eat, and hardly taken out to the light. He wants to get out, and is always looking for an escape, but the walls are meters thick and the bars are diamond hard.

the child is poem to the man

a single dawn paints itself through hungry window-glass with the hushings of patient geishas, threading its tender keenings midst the opiate acacias of ruthless sleep to the corpse of the chrysalis child.
the child is mystery to the man.

breathe through the unclothed innocence of his waif in vacant communion garroted, shrouded, chain-stretched carrion on cold steel. cold stone. old bones slaved this cloud-kept moon-swept tower deep in the violent voids of history. his-story. touch eyes of tear-crusted sealing-wax stitched with the thin wire wafers of repentant resurrection.
the child is misery to the man.

cold smooth floor licks the door-hem. oak-wood hinged and bolted to flesh-stone gouged by trembling finger-bonenails from plangent penance borne as sterile stigmata, mortared with marrow sucked from the salve of secrets worn as rags to the deaf-mute opera of the mealworms of memory.
memory.
the child is memory to the man.

(remember)

far from the bright starlight,
far from the cool sunlight,
deep in the deepest night
a child builds a ring of stone.

far from the demon howl
far from the feelings foul
deep in the deepest bowel
a child builds a cell of bone.

in silence did a tower grow
tears made the mortar glow
no one asked to see or know
a child builds all alone.

(blind mine eyes, bind me tight.
seal me here by darkest night.
this sustains. my only food.
keep me safe in solitude.)

the child is prison to the man.

the key. whisper

the key. whisper

the beautiful…

descant scar-maimed valkyries writhe like leviathan gangrene ganglions staked on spaniard witch-fires to convulse through skull-borne catacombs crawling with virulent vermin spitting and pitted with vengeance. pouring through fissures. seeping like blood-stains. wailing. biting. tearing vellum-thin curtains falling to release the child
the child
the child is poison to the man.

standing rapt in sutured turbulence
of quintessential eloquence,
by exponential evidence
the child is poet to the man.


the child is poem to the man.
 

Melkor

*Silent antagonist*
Local time
Today 6:04 PM
Joined
Apr 16, 2008
Messages
5,746
---
Location
Béal feirste
In all honesty, I think that rather than having no emotions, Intps have many.

It's simply that they see the sense in keeping them hidden.

I also think that we are in a small sense invunerable to emotion, but at times we might even be blind to it.....
 

Jordan~

Prolific Member
Local time
Today 6:04 PM
Joined
Jun 4, 2008
Messages
1,964
---
Location
Dundee, Scotland
One has to have emotions to be miserable, so I must have emotions. The hopelessness, I know too well.
 

loveofreason

echoes through time
Local time
Today 7:04 AM
Joined
Sep 8, 2007
Messages
5,492
---
As introverts we rely on ourselves for our happiness (I think), so does that mean we're also forced to "hurt" ourselves in return?

I can't speak for others, and I don't think anyone specifically answered the question, but I find myself doing this.

I hurt myself emotionally, maybe to prove that others can't hurt me? To maintain self-control? Self-abnegation?

I don't know why really. Probably to punish myself for being weak.

Of course I say I'm experimenting. I want to understand emotional cause and effect. I just plain want to understand, and emotional self-dissection hurts. But I'll be damned if I'll let anyone else do it.


Thats what I use video games for, but as you have all seen in the virtual dinner party thread that my "inner child" is an utter sycopath; I also let him out here on occasion. But untill I can reconcile with it those walls are staying up and guarded.

Maybe I should learn to play music and fall in love, that would go a long way towards stablising my emotional self. Anyone else got ideas for positivly exercising their emotion?

Beware. It must be done. But to call it stabilising? Try roller-coaster. Try amusement park house of horrors. All grist for the mill.

The fun threads here are some of the best places for unleashing Fe. (That says a lot for my options in the real world doesn't it?)

Actually, now I think about it - something always goes wrong when I exercise Fe in the real world. It's like the world smacks me round the head every time I try. No wonder I'm paranoid.

:phear:
 

Artifice Orisit

Guest
Actually, now I think about it - something always goes wrong when I exercise Fe in the real world. It's like the world smacks me round the head every time I try. No wonder I'm paranoid.

I'd call that a pre-emptive defense provided by the universe, if INTPs got away with letting our emotions out then attempted world domination would be a "normal" crime.
 

Agent Intellect

Absurd Anti-hero.
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Jul 28, 2008
Messages
4,113
---
Location
Michigan
a lot of my inner monologue is occupied with reminding and chastising myself of past regrets and worrying myself into anxiety about the future. i'd have to say that 90% of my depression and anger is self-induced. i don't know about emotionally invulnerable, but i don't think anyone else can hurt me as bad as i hurt myself, so it just doesn't really matter to me what they say.
 

NoID10ts

aka Noddy
Local time
Today 12:04 PM
Joined
Jul 14, 2008
Messages
4,541
---
Location
Houston, TX
Why are we so hard on ourselves? What can we do about it? Am I the only one that feels like all advice that is meant to help me, is vacuous? Most help I receive on the matter seems to require a self determination that I don't seem to possess. Are we hopeless? Is being INTP a good thing? A curse? A double edged sword? A paradox?
 

Chimera

To inanity and beyond
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Mar 24, 2008
Messages
963
---
Location
Lake Isle Innisfree
_________
____________

NoID;;

Hmm. You used more question marks than I do.
. . .
Weird.

Why are we so hard on ourselves?

Personally, I blame that on human nature. I think most humans (possibly animals too) are wired to desire both discipline and reward. But for that discipline to be properly felt or recognized, it has to come from someone who is somewhat listened to (grudgingly or no) by the individual. Extroverts don't have as much of a problem finding this discipline; they are more aware of the people around them and are more likely to listen to the criticism others can offer. Introverts, on the other hand, are usually focused inward and probably put more weight on their own opinions. This creates sort of a. . .shield around them that can bounce off some of the criticism from others, the criticism that affects extroverts. They won't get the sort of discipline they subconsciously desire as much as they need, so where do they look? To themselves. How much we torture ourselves depends on how much we listen to ourselves, and the same applies to extroverts (only dealing with other people in the place of themselves.)
This is so much harder for INTPs because we are so attuned to analyzing everything; naturally we analyze ourselves and the things we do also. Our voice is the loudest in our mind. . .unfortunately, we're harsh and honest and brutal, and that gets pushed back onto ourselves whenever we sit down and start to think about how stupid our last action was, or how futile our life is at the moment, etc. etc. . . Because isn't that what we would tell other people, or at least think about them? The problem is, while we have the power not to tell other people how they're messing up their lives, and keep them ignorant to how they're erring, we can't hide from ourselves. Our thoughts aren't kind ones. We're not sympathetic or gentle; we get the full force of our thoughts (as opposed to the watered-down version we present to whoever we talk to), and of course it's going to hurt.

Sorry if that's all rather messy. I'm really disoriented right now, but I wanted to post. ><

What can we do about it?

Sleep.
Nah. I really don't know a surefire way to get rid of it. Counseling could help, I guess, but that's the generic answer to everything dealing with psych problems.
We're hard on ourselves and we don't know where to draw the line. If we act similarly towards another person, they can tell us to stop because we're "being mean". So maybe we have to find a way to decide when we've gone too far with ourselves. It's like we need to make a second mind for ourselves; one that listens to what we're thinking and tells us "Shut up, jerk" every now and then. Maybe that goes along with the self-determination thing, I dunno.
If we're not hard on ourselves, who's going to keep us in shape? We hardly listen to anyone else (we're too good for that ;) ). We'd get lazy. We'd stop trying. It's tough love, but I do think we help ourselves. We just have to know when we're being tough on ourselves and when we should file a complaint for abuse.

Am I the only one that feels like all advice that is meant to help me, is vacuous?

Nope. I feel the same way, almost all the time. It makes me irritable. We're too good at our analyzing and picking apart, by the time we ask for advice on something, we've looked over and discarded almost all advice that could be offered to us. And of course, we hate being told the same thing twice.

Is being INTP a good thing?​

That's based on perspective and (ugh)self-acceptance. It's good for me. But that's something you have to decide for yourself; you are INTP, after all. ^^
____________
_________
 

loveofreason

echoes through time
Local time
Today 7:04 AM
Joined
Sep 8, 2007
Messages
5,492
---
Hooray for Chime's whole post.

Nope. I feel the same way, almost all the time. It makes me irritable. We're too good at our analyzing and picking apart, by the time we ask for advice on something, we've looked over and discarded almost all advice that could be offered to us. And of course, we hate being told the same thing twice.

Boo for vacuous advice.

It has bought a minor and fleeting glow to my left ventricle. knowing that I'm not just an inhuman freak for not 'getting' personal advice.

I know it's not really meant to be vacuous, but when people tell me something I've already thought myself and dismissed, it just seems so hollow. I just think Yeah right - if that works wouldn't I already be doing it?

If I do eventually ask for emotional advice or share a problem, it is in the hope that someone can offer an angle I've overlooked.

I expect to be asked things that open up the way I'm looking at the problem. Not just 'told' what to think or do, or worse yet 'told' that there's something wrong with the way I think and do.

Even in counseling I dismiss the good advice. I want to figure it out for myself.

Nar... you know, scrub all that. I just like being miserable.
 

lilbeast

Redshirt
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Nov 17, 2008
Messages
2
---
Location
Florida
i didnt cry during 9/11. i didnt cry when m grandmother died. i didnt cry while visiting the Holocaust museum. if you want to find out about emotionlessness, talk to me. i hold in all of my feelings because i dont want anyone to try and fix me. i cut have a self harming problem also. to an intp, emotions are illogical, so they therefore are useless, but pent up emotions manifests itself in blowups and self harm.
 

shaunjvallejo

Member
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Nov 17, 2008
Messages
43
---
Location
Brick, NJ
Oh it's a football-head monkey!

----> | > | ---->
---> |__| ---> score!
M______|__|________-->

edit: now why isn't that working?
edit2: I drop-kicked a monkey through the goal posts

And will the Americans stop using body-armor in their games,
were not going to hurt you that much (Aussie rugby is played without padding)


lol....contrary to popular belief....the padding in American football is as much a weapon as it is protection. Aside from allowing collisions at a much higher speed without dislocating your shoulder, one of the first tricks they teach defensive backs is to slam your face mask into a ball carriers hand to get them to drop the ball.....especially in cold weather.

Ever hear of wedge breakers? Picture 260 pound men slamming into each other at a combined 25 miles per hour.
 

Oblivious

Is Kredit to Team!!
Local time
Tomorrow 2:04 AM
Joined
Apr 30, 2008
Messages
1,266
---
Location
Purgatory with the cool kids
We are like a Cloud. We soak up our emotions till we are dark and heavy. Then when the moment is right we unleash our thunderous fury... like limit breaks. Our enemies are then blown away by our invincible Omnislash.

Anger and emotional management is something we have to handle. We cannot just hold it all in and expect ourselves to bear it all, it is not healthy. When the time is right, we can use it as a weapon or a tool.

There was once I soloed a programmable logic controller project which involved automating a segment of an assembly line. I did the planning, wrote all the programs and typed out the reports perfectly. It was one of the few modules I could apply myself to, and I was feeling quite good about myself.

On the day of the project submission, the lecturer in charge, usually quite an affable person, was in a horrible mood. The class was finishing up their reports and doing last minute program modifications and he was walking around being quite the demon. I noticed he was in a bad mood, so I took extra effort to be polite, but it seems he took my attention to my work, the fact that I soloed the project and my forced politeness as signs of high arrogance.

He said a lot of unkind things, probably unthinkingly, but it still pissed the hell out of me, more so because he apparently thought that he could act as he wished and ignore basic courtesy just because he was a lecturer.

With all the blood rushing to my head I stood up, slammed both hands on the table like Phoenix Wright and shouted at the top of my voice: "Have you had enough?!"

Then I repeated the same words quietly with a razor edge: "Have you had enough?"

The second sentence was important, because even though I snapped at someone it meant that I was still in control. His reaction was to shake his head in defiance, but he did not look in my direction and stayed completely silent.

In that instant of righteous anger, I had succeeded in claiming the moral high ground. It was only intuitively, but I was sure both him and I knew it and that it would be extremely distasteful for him to continue treating the place like it belonged to him. Why did I have the moral high ground? Because even though I snapped, I was exercising self control, while he was going around acting like a spoiled child.

He behaved himself from then on, while I read the news on my terminal rather intensely.

It also should be noted that this episode could only end so well because my lecturer was at heart a mature adult who just got carried away. I was merely reminding him.
 

loveofreason

echoes through time
Local time
Today 7:04 AM
Joined
Sep 8, 2007
Messages
5,492
---
*applause*

An insightful post, Oblivious. I find it really helpful to read an example of how another INTP responds to the emotional over-stimulus, if I can call it that.

Personally I have such a long way to go before I can use my emotions so constructively or appropriately.

I've discovered the car is a safe place for venting frustration. OK, maybe an INTP with road rage is not such a safe situation, but on an empty road I can express myself wholeheartedly to my empty car and nobody gets hurt.

If only the car could talk, but it's sworn to secrecy... :D
 

Perseus

Prolific Member
Local time
Today 6:04 PM
Joined
Jun 28, 2008
Messages
1,064
---
On my Feeling-Thinking border, there are aways Heart or Head problems. I veer between the two and it takes the Other to make it work right. I think it would take an above 75% thinker to become unemotional and to choose mates for rational reasons. I am about 60% Thinker, which is emotional fools do not rush in and miss the boat too often. .


Link to Discussion
 

EloquentBohemian

MysticDragon
Local time
Today 1:04 PM
Joined
Oct 4, 2008
Messages
1,386
---
Location
Ottawa, Canada
We are like a Cloud. We soak up our emotions till we are dark and heavy. Then when the moment is right we unleash our thunderous fury... like limit breaks. Our enemies are then blown away by our invincible Omnislash.

This has a poetic beauty to its truth.

Anger and emotional management is something we have to handle. We cannot just hold it all in and expect ourselves to bear it all, it is not healthy. When the time is right, we can use it as a weapon or a tool.
I have done this on rare occasions. I become direct, pointed and cold. Sometimes, it seems like I know exactly where the vunerable spot is in another and I use my emotional content like a poison dart. Yet, I find myself regretting immediately whatever comment I have used, like it was too much for the situation.
It is extremely rare that I become angry at a situation. I am usually detached and indifferent.
I think, because I compress much of the emotion I would like to express at various times and do not, when I do release it, it contains more pent-up and repressed emotion than what is suitable for the situation I used it in.
 
Top Bottom