Texas Hold 'em No-limit Poker

[Beat Mango]

Anyone else like it? If so, where do you play etc?

 

[Naix]

I play on full tilt, I feel the players there a slightly better than on Party Poker. I usually play tournaments, 3.50 super turbos.

I like playing Texas Hold Em No Limit both online and in real life. The allure of the game for me is being able to not only use technical analysis but also intuition.

Texas Hold Em is all about making the best decisions and choices without all the information.

 

[Toad]

I used to play for a living dude. It didn't work out to well. For some reason, I don't think it is an INTP kind of game. Maybe our Ti makes us over think things too much. Our Ne would probably make us paranoid too. Ti plus Ne would makes us too scared to gamble. Just my opinion though. I think poker is more of an SP game.

I mostly just play couple dollar tournaments on pokerstars now. Just for fun when I'm bored.

 

[Beat Mango]

^ why didn't it work out - what happened?? There's a massive thread on intpcentral, hundreds of pageslong, started by a guy who made heaps of money on online poker and thinks it's ideal for the INTP personality. I can see how overusing Ti could be a potential issue but it's certainly a T game, and I can't for the life of me see how S would be an advantage over N?

 

[Toad]

Well it worked out well for me the first couple of months. I was making bout 3-4 grand a month. Then all of a sudden I just started losing. I could never make a hand. My patience ran thin. In the last couple months I pretty much lost all my winnings and more.

As I think back on it now, I can see why I was losing. Number one, I got impatient. Number two, I started thinking too damn much (Ti). That coupled with my Ne, I started getting paranoid thinking that everyone was hitting higher than me. I got bluffed out way too easily after a while. Number three, as I started losing, I would lose focus and starting making bad calls and raises. Number four, my INTP mind couldn't stay focused. I was constantly thinking about other things. Number five, playing at the casino was horrible. It was loud, bright, and distracting. People would chatter on non-stop. I grew to hate everybody at my table.

There are more reasons why I failed, I just can't remember now.

The reasons why I think an S type would fare well with poker? They are focused. They don't overthink. They can read situations well. They trust information that is in the present, tangible and concrete. They tend to distrust hunches that seem to come out of nowhere. I know this sounds like they can't predict hands. But these reasons actually make them a very solid poker player. Sensors can read faces better than N's too I think.

N's are able to connect things and create theories. Theories are good, but sensors can see things that are actually there. They "know" what you have. They don't second guess themselves. They commit and play it through to the bloody end. It is VERY hard to bluff them. I find that N's are better able to fold when they know they are beat.

That's just my experience though. I used to play a lot with my friends, who are all sensors and they are pretty good. It is kind of easy to trick them once in a while, but they catch on to you very fast.

So what are you trying to do? Make some extra money on the side lol?

 

[flow]

I've played poker with SPs, they're terrible. I think an NT would fair better than most other types. I've played a few tournaments IRL and won a couple of times, I credit my intuition.

 

[Ghost1986]

Ti plus Ne would makes us too scared to gamble.

i rather like gambling. well ust too. haven't played any poker is well over 5 years. doubt i even remember how to play any sort of poker.

i think the reason i liked poker as a form of gambling is that there are relatively few variables as compared to sports betting, or even street racing.

 

[Toad]

I've played poker with SPs, they're terrible. I think an NT would fair better than most other types. I've played a few tournaments IRL and won a couple of times, I credit my intuition.

I actually do very well playing tournaments too. It's a completely different game. I know my S type buddies HATE tournament style poker.

 

[Beat Mango]

I much prefer cash games, and prefer online too. I can easily see how an INTP would lose concentration if you're playing in real life, esp a Casino. Online though, I imagine my my concentration would be top notch. I imagine an extrovert online would have the same problems that you had in real life.

And yeah, I wouldn't mind making a few extra bucks

 

[kantor1003]

I prefer sng's as they have a beginning and an end...and because that is what I have most experience with. I play on fulltilt and multitable 5 dollar sng's. I know, the stakes are small, but I am building a bankroll sorta from scratch. I used to play 24 dollar sngs, but I had a long bad run and was getting more and more sick and tired of poker, so I cashed out 90% of my bankroll thinking I'd quit. I am back in the game now
Once in a while I also play some tourneys there. The 22 double deuce is fun.
Poker is a great game. It requires much respect though. Maybe I should sacrifice a goat today to pay homage to poker.

How much do you play banana? What's your roi? What stakes? Your bankroll?

I have periods where I am totally obsessed. Makes me quite unproductive..but yeah, a least I am winning.

Toad: You said you used to play it for a living. I think you could elaborate way more on that

 

[Beat Mango]

I'm very much a beginner kantor, started playing only about a month ago on, uh, facebook poker *hides in shame*, which is hardly poker at all and more just a crap shoot. Recently I've been playing 1c/2c blinds on Pokerstars, and some real life tournaments. I agree, it's addictive. Hey on IntpCentral they have their own poker tournament, maybe we could do the same thing here.

 

[Toad]

If you want to play me, download Pokerstars and we'll hook up. My name is KT000 (zero's)

 

[kantor1003]

I'm very much a beginner kantor, started playing only about a month ago on, uh, facebook poker *hides in shame*, which is hardly poker at all and more just a crap shoot. Recently I've been playing 1c/2c blinds on Pokerstars, and some real life tournaments. I agree, it's addictive. Hey on IntpCentral they have their own poker tournament, maybe we could do the same thing here.

That would be fun Couldn't we in the meanwhile just play eachother some in the gameroom? I can start a game now. *starting game*

If you want to play me, download Pokerstars and we'll hook up. My name is KT000 (zero's)

I'll see if I can get myself to deposit on a new poker site how is their mac compatibility?

 

[kantor1003]

*waiting for a challenger*

 

[Toad]

I have no idea how their mac compatibility is. Should be ok though. Pokerstars is a highly used gaming site.

If you wanna play, I'll join some tournaments with you. They'll have to be for fun though...I'm kind of broke right now.

Edit: I just checked, they have a separate download for macs, so it is compatible.

Hey we should have an INTP forum POKER TOURNAMENT!!!

 

[kantor1003]

I have no idea how their mac compatibility is. Should be ok though. Pokerstars is a highly used gaming site.

If you wanna play, I'll join some tournaments with you. They'll have to be for fun though...I'm kind of broke right now.

I am sitting in the gameroom here. Don't know how it is to play poker here... seems like a cash game thing.. with playmoney obviously

 

[Toad]

I'm installing it on my new computer right now. I'll be on in a sec man.

Look around a bit, you should be able to find the play money tournaments.

 

[kantor1003]

installing now

 

[Toad]

Do you have a user name yet?

 

[kantor1003]

Do you have a user name yet?

yes, already had an account. Username kantor1003. I'll try to find a table.

 

[Toad]

Ok once you have it installed, click on "Sit & Go" then below click on the "Play Money" tab.

Then make sure you filter all the game out except for "Hold 'em"

 

[Toad]

Oh once you find a table I can just search for u and join. So let me know once you're in.

 

[kantor1003]

sitting at table

 

[Felan]

I'm very much a beginner kantor, started playing only about a month ago on, uh, facebook poker *hides in shame*, which is hardly poker at all and more just a crap shoot. Recently I've been playing 1c/2c blinds on Pokerstars, and some real life tournaments. I agree, it's addictive. Hey on IntpCentral they have their own poker tournament, maybe we could do the same thing here.

I play on Facebook poker, Zynga more specifically, as well and oddly I started about a month ago as well. I think there is a conspiracy at work here!

 

[Toad]

Hey kantor, do you have msn messenger? I think the reason why we can't join eachother's tournament is because PS prevents us from talking to eachother in another room.

 

[kantor1003]

Hey kantor, do you have msn messenger? I think the reason why we can't join eachother's tournament is because PS prevents us from talking to eachother in another room.

andreaskantor@hotmail.com

 

[Beat Mango]

Did you guys play? I want to join! Username is BananaMang0 (that's a zero at the end).

Btw, do you guys use any of these poker software tools, eg, calculatem?

 

[kantor1003]

Did you guys play? I want to join! Username is BananaMang0 (that's a zero at the end).

Btw, do you guys use any of these poker software tools, eg, calculatem?

We didnt get to play too much. The play money tables filled up too fast + it was some kinda restriction on sng's so we couldnt search each other up. I'll se if I can search you up one day. I'd hate to take your money though:P
I use a mac, so there is very limited poker tools available out there for this platform. I use one called poker copilot which basically track all my hands, and there is a hud displaying how often people call, preflop raise, cbet, blind steal etc. It makes it much more easier to put people on different hand ranges...especially when multitableing.
When I just started out though, like you, I only played one table at a time for a long time. It is important to find out if you are beating the stakes. Also, you must take into consideration that every time you add a new table, your roi will decreace. So, let's say you have a roi of 6% (which is kinda bad on low limits) and win money one tabling you will lose if you add 4 more tables. I think you, on average, will loose 1-2% roi per table you add. Something worth considering. If you however are beating the limit playing 4 tables at once, your hourly rate will greatly increase and the amount of hands you play per hour will make up for a lower roi.

 

[ktp]

Do you guys follow The World Series of Poker? The final table was on ESPN this week, it was pretty exciting to watch. I never followed poker on TV until now, and I must say it is a lot more exciting to watch than sports.

 

[kantor1003]

Do you guys follow The World Series of Poker? The final table was on ESPN this week, it was pretty exciting to watch. I never followed poker on TV until now, and I must say it is a lot more exciting to watch than sports.

I don't watch tv. I stopped when online streaming took off have you visited pokertube.com?
I have seen the several world series, but not this last one I believe. Thanks for the heads up Yeah, I love to watch poker. Really one of my favorite things to do...I probably like it more than actually playing it unless I get to play with some really good players that is

 

[Nicholas A. A. E.]

I don't watch any sports so when I saw "ESPN" my mind tried to parse it as a Myers-Briggs type for a moment. I know what ESPN is, it's just not the first thing I think of.

 

[pokerpro]

I don't watch tv. I stopped when online streaming took off have you visited pokertube.com?
I have seen the several world series, but not this last one I believe. Thanks for the heads up Yeah, I love to watch poker. Really one of my favorite things to do...I probably like it more than actually playing it unless I get to play with some really good players that is

You better play with bad player if you want to win money.

 

[Toad]

You better play with bad player if you want to win money.

Very true lol. In poker, you only make money if you are better than the players at your table. A common saying is, "If you don't see any fishes at the table, then you're the fish".

 

[Invoke Ninja's True Power]

full tilt, Sit n Go is fun and the only way to really pick up any strategy. sometimes I play for real money at a bar that holds games. I usually lose but only because I don't know how to quit when I'm ahead lol

 

[kantor1003]

You better play with bad player if you want to win money.

Very true
I am sick of playing poker really though... after you hit the 2k+ mark of sng's it all becomes a huge grind... also, almost every play/decision you make is a no brainer.

Very true lol. In poker, you only make money if you are better than the players at your table. A common saying is, "If you don't see any fishes at the table, then you're the fish".

Seen rounders have you?
I like that saying. I also spot the sharks though, not sharks per se, but the abc playing, winning players. You can take advantage of them, but not too much on a platform like sng's.

 

[Beat Mango]

I just put my bankroll in last week of $100, am playing micro blinds 2c/5c). Cash games with max. of 6 players seems to work well for me. I wouldn't say I have a ROI yet, but I'm up.

What do you mean you spot winning players and take advantage of them? How? Put them in coinflip situations?

 

[kantor1003]

I just put my bankroll in last week of $100, am playing micro blinds 2c/5c). Cash games with max. of 6 players seems to work well for me. I wouldn't say I have a ROI yet, but I'm up.

What do you mean you spot winning players and take advantage of them? How? Put them in coinflip situations?

It depends on the platform and the type of winning player... since you are playing cash game I would try to avoid them all together. Play pots with the weak players and if you can't spot any weak players, then move to another table.
Where did you end up playing?
Btw. I don't think cash game players use the term roi, I think it is more about hourly rate. But I am not too sure as I don't cash game too much. I am thinking about making a switch over to cash though

 

[Beat Mango]

Oh I play pokerstars. I went up to 5c/10c games yesterday and there was a real significant difference. I'm not used to being reraised before the flop like that! And after the flop, for that matter. At lower levels, it's bet or call. I lost money on the 9-player tables (as I tend to do), but made money on the 6 player tables (as I also tend to do). For some reason, I'm better at shorthanded.

I'll tell you what though, I'm not saying it's rigged, but you do seem to get a lot of good hands on Pokerstars. I got KK, my first real good hand, and the other guy happened to have Aces and rolled me. Later, I got AQ suited, hit the flush on the river, and the same guy had aces. Then, later, I raised with 77 thinking the guy was bluffing, and turned out he had KK and hit his set on the flop.

 

[kantor1003]

Oh I play pokerstars. I went up to 5c/10c games yesterday and there was a real significant difference. I'm not used to being reraised before the flop like that! And after the flop, for that matter. At lower levels, it's bet or call. I lost money on the 9-player tables (as I tend to do), but made money on the 6 player tables (as I also tend to do). For some reason, I'm better at shorthanded.

I'll tell you what though, I'm not saying it's rigged, but you do seem to get a lot of good hands on Pokerstars. I got KK, my first real good hand, and the other guy happened to have Aces and rolled me. Later, I got AQ suited, hit the flush on the river, and the same guy had aces. Then, later, I raised with 77 thinking the guy was bluffing, and turned out he had KK and hit his set on the flop.

I also prefer shorthanded when playing cash. You are right, it isn't rigged, but poker can be hell sometimes. Loosing 500 in a day with bad beat after bad beat after bad beat can be very hard on your psyche. I have even been running so bad for so long that I ended up almost wanting to throw away my kk-aa's preflop as I knew I was going to be beat anyway. But yeah, I have learned to control tilt a great deal. I need to get hit by huge amount of shit at the tables before it penetrates my shield of sanity.
Shame you don't play on ft, could have hooked up.

You must watch this YouTube- Tuff Fish Session 6-9 No Limit Poker #2
40 sec and onward is really funny I have probably seen every vid of his a thousand times. It helps to watch this if you are in a tilty mood.

 

[Beat Mango]

lmao that guy's completely mental! And I thought I went on tilt, hahaha.

 

[kantor1003]

YouTube- tuff_fish 6-9 pt. 1

 

[ktp]

"lets see how bad we can mangle this"

rofl

 

[flow]

I've amassed over 100k in play chips on full tilt if anyone plays with the play money.. I'm uncomfortable betting real money, I feel I'll get too addicted. I only like playing tournaments, and the 90 person tourneys do me just fine! I usually make it to the final table... usually.

 

[Beat Mango]

I played some free (facebook) poker yesterday - the difference is pretty stark after having been playing real money games for the past couple of weeks. The tournaments have some strategy to them but the cash games are just insane.

 

[kantor1003]

I played some free (facebook) poker yesterday - the difference is pretty stark after having been playing real money games for the past couple of weeks. The tournaments have some strategy to them but the cash games are just insane.

yeah, you can't really play poker without money...but yeye, how was your poker day banana? mine has been absolutely terrible. I am so sick of getting two outered on the river by some donk sitting there laughing. I think I am finished with sng's for good. I think I'll rather play cash game only as my edge over the donks will be even greater.
It is a limit to how many sick beats you can take in one day.

 

[kantor1003]

"lets see how bad we can mangle this"

rofl

haha, I love that quote too

 

[Beat Mango]

I had a good night last night. Not massive wins in the scheme of things, but a "private victory" type thing where I am starting to get the hang of the 5c/10c tables. Next time I go up in stakes though I'll watch some tables, maybe a hundred hands or so, to get a feel for how they play at that level, because I lost money at first using 2c/4c tacitcs on 5c/10c t ables. And I think I'm definitely better playing two tables at once, as I'm much more patient and more willing to fold marginal or poor hands.

One situation I find interesting is the pre-flop pocket pair vs. pocket pair, followed by a raggy flop. I had JJ in a shorthanded table, confident it would hold up, went all in after a couple of reraises for him to show up QQ. Later I got my revenge on someone else though, when I had AA, reraised a couple of times preflop, had the guy reraise me after a raggy flop so I went all in for $7 (massive on a 5c/10c table). He called after some thought, showed JJ, my Rockets held up then he whined about how bad a player I was. Hahaha suck it. Lesson: JJ is tough to play, be careful playing it with undercards on the flop.

Also Kantor, that's why I prefer cash games to tournaments: a bad beat in a cash game costs you generally a buy-in at most, whereas in a tournament it can lose you hours of build-up work. Which also makes it much harder to get revenge and punish the donk.

 

[kantor1003]

I had a good night last night. Not massive wins in the scheme of things, but a "private victory" type thing where I am starting to get the hang of the 5c/10c tables. Next time I go up in stakes though I'll watch some tables, maybe a hundred hands or so, to get a feel for how they play at that level, because I lost money at first using 2c/4c tacitcs on 5c/10c t ables. And I think I'm definitely better playing two tables at once, as I'm much more patient and more willing to fold marginal or poor hands.

One situation I find interesting is the pre-flop pocket pair vs. pocket pair, followed by a raggy flop. I had JJ in a shorthanded table, confident it would hold up, went all in after a couple of reraises for him to show up QQ. Later I got my revenge on someone else though, when I had AA, reraised a couple of times preflop, had the guy reraise me after a raggy flop so I went all in for $7 (massive on a 5c/10c table). He called after some thought, showed JJ, my Rockets held up then he whined about how bad a player I was. Hahaha suck it. Lesson: JJ is tough to play, be careful playing it with undercards on the flop.

Also Kantor, that's why I prefer cash games to tournaments: a bad beat in a cash game costs you generally a buy-in at most, whereas in a tournament it can lose you hours of build-up work. Which also makes it much harder to get revenge and punish the donk.

Yeah, good old jj. What a tricky hand to play. If you have managed to put your opponents on different raising, and 3bet ranges, it becomes a lot easier though. Let's say that you have a tight image at the table and you raise 3bb from 1. position with jj or qq on a 6 man table. If you get reraised from a really tight player, his range is most likely aq-ak, qq-aa.. sometimes tens and jacks. As you see, with your jacks, most of the hands will have you beat or have you in a coin flip situation. Depending on his raise and his stack, you should call. Just remember that if the flop hit low with no apparent draws and you get a lot of action, you should try to get away with it, which can be difficult sometimes...you are most definitely beat, unless it is a guy going total rambo with ak or a pair lower than yours.

What is your bankroll?

 

[Beat Mango]

I think that's good advice - it's hard to know though, because continuation bets are sooo common and even people raising to test the continuation better... this stuff is new to me because it's not prevalent in the lower stakes and free games, but I'm getting there.

Bankroll is $100US for now, and have come out even after putting it in 2-3 weeks ago. Might up it to about $250 after a couple of paychecks from work - yours?

 

[Toad]

Rounders was one of the best gambling movies I've seen. It's very enjoyable if you know something about poker. But if you don't, it can be a snorefest.