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Sounds like a thing I'll do. Thinking of suicide is fine, but I'd rather not commit to something mostly influenced by emotion, especially if I don't get to see what happens next.

Question: Did anyone use the death clock and get entertaining results? I'm not happy with mine. I plan to live til 2104 for certain reasons, not til 2063.

Is that the precession of ages or something you're waiting for?

I didn't use the clock - I'm far too suggestible. Don't give me a date to fixate on - I just might make it happen!

Besides which, my lack of future years, relative to some of you, is but another cause for depression. And right now I think about suicide quite a bit. But I can entertain the thought without real intent, and watch what it does to me. I'm too detached most of the time. Too apathetic to do anything so decisive and final.

Yeah tomorrow might be better. And there's always revenge to hope for. Thanks for the happy thought.:)
 

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Several times I've considered it. Sometimes out of frustration with the world: The stupidity of humanity, the futility of it all, the lack of direction and meaning. Sometimes just as a mental exercise: Is there life after death? What would my family and friends do? Who would miss me more (if at all)? Will they go to my funeral?

Still, death scares me. It is just... the end. Void.

But the real reason why I wouldn't do it is that life is just too damn interesting, despite the pain. Maybe even because of the pain... Happiness, knowledge, beauty, yet also death, and struggle, and fear. It is so... tragic? epic? Whatever it is, I'll die eventually, so why leave the movie before it ends?

I'm curious, like that.
 

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Me and a friend have mused that anyone intelligent has at least humoured the idea at one time or another. But I'm still looking for that exception that proves the rule.
 

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I'm intelligent, he said humbly, and I'd never commit suicide under any circumstances. I'd rather live forever in suffering than die.
 

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I'm intelligent, he said humbly, and I'd never commit suicide under any circumstances. I'd rather live forever in suffering than die.

How can you be sure that the suffering would last forever?
 

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As INTPs are we particularly prone to suicidal ideation? What goes on in our minds that we reach this hopeless state?

I've been there, in a suicidal state that is, and I notice I'm not the only one here to experience it. What is the process that leads us here?

Suicide has crossed my mind many times, but I rationalize that I'm on this planet for a reason and if I deliberately cut my life short, I just might end up back here experiencing a similar scenario until I learn the lessons I came here to learn.

Yeah, moving on to the next stage sounds wonderful but I will need to get crushed by a bus or die from some disease in order to escape this world.
 

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"...you'll never leave your body now
you'll have to wait to die.
Little boy blue
Little boy blue..."
 

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I'm intelligent, he said humbly, and I'd never commit suicide under any circumstances. I'd rather live forever in suffering than die.
Exactly what i think. Between agony and nothingness i choose agony, so whaterver happens in my life i deal with it (or atleast endure it).
 

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How can you be sure that the suffering would last forever?

Well, preferably it wouldn't. Unless that was an affirmative statement, in which case, yes, good point.
 

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I've had reasons to take serious consideration about suicide. Before it was a matter of being a Christian and not destroying my mother, the only one I gave a damn about, but eventually those reasons became insufficient. I, however, did not have the guts to die by choice in unseemly manners because just about every method I've looked into is just ugly, but then again, isn't death meant to be ugly? Whatever, I would have to be damn desparate to really go through with it, even though it's not that hard to do if you've done your HW.

But life's too short to waste and I find the prospect of a life after death too unsettling and I know deep down that a lot of people do care and I see no reason to leave such a stain in their life by my own selfishness. And most of my closer friends (or who were friends at the time) considered it as well and some even attempted it. So it's not that uncommon from those I've known. I don't know. I just get an utterly empty feeling, like there is a gaping hole in my chest just thinking about doing such a thing. Still, anyone who has the tendency to 'snap' after so much can defy reason with their own reasons to do something as unreasonable as taking one's own short life.

Those are my thoughts on the matter anyways.
 

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when i was about 13/14 I felt that I should commit suicde and life was pointless etc but of course I never I looked to the future and what I wanted to do and that has kept me going ever since
 

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i easily get suicidel, usualy caused by feelings of emptyness and futility, i am also eternaly bored and loney lolz but i always pull through.
 

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Well if you feel that way..

I suppose I can arrange for you both to be killed in some sort of emo weepy suicide pact.
I won't let loose any tears over it.

You get one life,
you don't want it, and I fail to convine you otherwise,
you're already dead.
 

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Oh god. I know Melkor is writing as I am, but for god's sake. You sound like a bunch of immature cunts who think they're all deep and shit. Fucking emos. Go get hyper on red bull.



I'm so sorry, Loveofreason. So terribly sorry. But something just says 'do it', when I hear people talking like they're the king of self help after just thinking 'nah' about suicide.




EVERYONE thinks about it. It's NOT a rare fucking experience, for Pete's sake!

Oh sugar, I gone done it again.






Um... no offence?
 

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Oh don't worry Cabbo!
They'll only be insulted by that if they're morons!
Or if they have ears!

Or it's mostly true!


or.........

oh..............

it is, isn't it?
 

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This is how we test people. Don't be too put off.
 

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I feel rather... different about Suicide sometimes. There are times I know I certainly wouldn't do it and I could almost convince myself I never have those feelings, but it seems like within the same day I'm suddenly trying to find a scenario in which I don't die.

My life isn't bad... I even know where I'm going in life, but then to what ends and what do I contribute? I don't really contribute anything and I don't plan to much. I find myself pathetic and so do other people.

I can't remember if I mentioned this, but sometimes I find the concept of suicide in itself fascinating. I don't know how to put it... Sometimes I think I might suddenly give into an impulse, but there are many times I feel on the edge of an impulse and not necessarily to do something suicidal. I think I'm a normal person... and something traumatic or some illness would have to trigger it. I guess that is kind of to say... Anyone probably has the potential for it.

I'm not too happy about being female. I don't try to remind myself and it's not like I think the alternative is any better, but I have quite a few issues with it. Maybe that's normal too though. I really don't know. That probably shouldn't have anything to do with suicide, but it often makes me depressed to think about.

That makes me think of a different suicide, not really a literal one, but more like giving up. Sometimes I wish I could go into zombie mode or I devise how my stunning replacement would be.
 
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Is that the precession of ages or something you're waiting for?

Something I'm waiting for (after so long, I'm finally replying to this)

Anyone ever imagined how you die? I could go into deep trances where I can visualize things vividly as though I was experiencing them in real life. I imagined how I would die by drowning in one of those. It was extremely unpleasant.

Less related: found a site that weighed pros and cons of suicide methods some time ago. It was interestingly informative (Jumping off tall buildings is irresponsible. Think of the cleaning crew!).
 

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I agree with Jordan and Dissident on this.

Death = nothing, the end. Not to mention, it is an irreversible state. Until the day I am rendered physically and mentally immobile I refuse to give up trying (no matter how miserable I am).

While I do believe that life is objectively meaningless, contextually it still hold potential for things to happen. And for that I live on.
 

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Mischz said:
I agree with Jordan and Dissident on this.

Death = nothing, the end. Not to mention, it is an irreversible state. Until the day I am rendered physically and mentally immobile I refuse to give up trying (no matter how miserable I am).

While I do believe that life is objectively meaningless, contextually it still hold potential for things to happen. And for that I live on.

I feel much the same, but I'd say that while dead I can't learn new things.

I have attempted to commit suicide three times in my life, a fact I've only shared with my closest friends, but the reason was due to the feeling of loneliness, which I guess comes packaged with the INTP personality.

I got over my depression when my over-analytical nature got so bad that I analyzed why I was depressed and just thought "Hey, this isn't worth it".
 

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I'll probably end up committing suicide because nothing else in the universe can kill me.
 
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I wouldn't ever commit suicide, there are WAY too many crimes I haven't commited yet... Too much "fun" left in the world.
 
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Whenever I reach such a state, I am glad that I am not an INTJ, as my rationale tends to be "I really wouldn't mind to die right now, but I couldn't be bothered to take such matters in my own hands."


Yeah. I've attempted twice but couldn't go through with it. I'm good now though. :)
 

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I certainly have my bouts of depression, but I never want to end my life because I'm always thinking of the possibilities. I wouldn't ever want to cut that short.

As for the reasons why we INTPs get into this state, at least for me, it starts whenever I don't make any progress, mentally or otherwise, or when I keep going around in circles, mentally. Sometimes it's the realization that I'm alone. While that usually doesn't bother me at all, it sometimes gets me depressed knowing how self-alienated I can be sometimes. Essentially it happens when I get trapped inside my own head too long.

I figured Weasels at ENFP. The Judgement types are out to get you. They don't like change and they want to keep all their secrets. Avoid Camels (a type of ESFJ) at all costs. Camels never forget a small slight. They get the hump very easily and they tell lies without feeling guilt.

Their secret is Camels are not far removed from Asses and the Weasel will find out. If you can avoid this people you should be OK. The guards are everywhere, 26% of the population.

Andy
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THE MYERS/BRIGGS TEST IS MEANT TO BE SUBJECTIVE, AS WITH ANY OTHER FORM OF MAKING GENERAL PERSONALITY GROUPS (which myers/briggs IS. there are more than... 16? types of people in the world.)
 

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I have attempted to commit suicide three times in my life, a fact I've only shared with my closest friends, but the reason was due to the feeling of loneliness, which I guess comes packaged with the INTP personality.

I wonder why we are lonely. Maybe we do need people more than we think we do. Just that were not very adept at socialising (without committing too much energy/time).

I'll probably end up committing suicide because nothing else in the universe can kill me.

Ya sounds just like you. :D
 

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When I was a teen I talked a lot about suicide. I did not consider doing it, but I mentioned it a lot in casual conversation. I really should have analysed my speech patterns better, the idea was there the whole time...

As for the reasons why we INTPs get into this state, at least for me, it starts whenever I don't make any progress, mentally or otherwise, or when I keep going around in circles, mentally. Sometimes it's the realization that I'm alone. While that usually doesn't bother me at all, it sometimes gets me depressed knowing how self-alienated I can be sometimes. Essentially it happens when I get trapped inside my own head too long.

Then I hit a low of about three years. Three years of not making progress, feeling extremely alienated and being trapped in my mind, just like Fernando described. There were external circumstances that brought all this about and I couldn't see an end to them. That's when I started thinking about suicide for real. I thought that if only I knew for sure death was the end, I'd do it. I wasn't afraid of pain or of hell, etc., I was afraid it might not be the end. Any kind of afterlife sounded perfectly disgusting. What was the point of suicide if I might continue existing anyway? My parents did enter the equation but ultimately it was the afterlife thing that kept me here.

I never talked about this to anyone. Felt too ridiculous, too weak. My parents would have taken me to the shrink, but after a few misunderstandings with a family therapist when I was a teenager, I would never consider going to regular therapy again. They do say (don't know who "they" might be, but I've heard this somewhere) that a shrink has to be as smart/complex as you are to get it...

The "read this if you're considering suicide" websites did help. I stopped feeling ridiculous but still didn't feel like living.

Then three things happened at roughly the same time. The circumstances got a little better. Not much, I still couldn't get a job, finish a MA, etc., but I did move to a better town. And this is where I start the actual crazy talk... I'm not a religious person, but I am, let's say, spiritually curious. The other two things that happened were:

1) I tried regression therapy. Now, I can't offer any proof that past lives (or indeed the afterlife) are real. They could be just stories we make to explain ourselves. But stories that make us want to live again are damn good stories to me. What I "saw" was that I'd tried suicide before. Thrice. Silly, isn't it? It put a major damper on the idea. Not enough to make me want to stay but enough to get by.

2) I heard a voice from the heavens... Er, no. Certainly not a voice, but something. Probably not the heavens, either. Maybe I just heard myself. And what I "heard" delivered an ultimatum: You're in or you're out. -Alright, alright, I'm in, sheesh!
And that was it. It took more than a little will to get in. I had to consciously tell myself everyday to smile here and there, to be aware of my body, to find the rythm in a song, and then in a day, etc.

So here I am.
 

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I figured Weasels at ENFP. The Judgement types are out to get you. They don't like change and they want to keep all their secrets. Avoid Camels (a type of ESFJ) at all costs. Camels never forget a small slight. They get the hump very easily and they tell lies without feeling guilt.

Their secret is Camels are not far removed from Asses and the Weasel will find out. If you can avoid this people you should be OK. The guards are everywhere, 26% of the population.

Andy
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?!? What are you talking about with all the camel crap? I'm a very strong INTP actually.
 

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THE MYERS/BRIGGS TEST IS MEANT TO BE SUBJECTIVE, AS WITH ANY OTHER FORM OF MAKING GENERAL PERSONALITY GROUPS (which myers/briggs IS. there are more than... 16? types of people in the world.)

More than 16 types of people, but do they fit into more than 16 categories (or well, if you count Xs, a lot more than that)? It's like the Kinsey scale for sexuality: everyone fits into one of the bands.
 

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It's weird that I'm alive when considering that bit of data along with transgender suicide rates. :confused:

As far as how I've been able to quell suicidal ideation.. it depends. No strategy can help if I'm too far into it, but if I'm lucky enough to realize the patterns I'll usually recite a mantra in my mind. I just repeat "I'm depressed right now" or "my analysis is untrustworthy" over and over if I start to go there. I'll also begin to question physical reasons why I might be feeling down. Poor nutrition and hormone levels can do some fascinating things with my mind.
 

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I can imagine that a great lack of affirmation and abundant misunderstanding would contribut to making INFP males and INTP females the groups most vulnerable to suicidal tendencies. Did the researcher ever get enough data to back his hunch?

What the text says is striking "...IPs are of all the types least likely blindly to accept societal standards without question and, at the same time, they are of all the types most harshly self-critical and intropunitive...".

Harshly self-critical and intropunitive... sounds like me!

I can't speak for others, but I find life incredibly difficult. And as well as personal history/tendencies, the more I learn about type theory the more I can see this being related to INTP prefererences.

I don't value what society values and I don't really know what I value. I don't really know me, but I know for sure I don't want to know most people I meet.

Am I likely to ever have one of those social support networks that keep women in touch with one another? You know - talking, sharing, laughing. Yeah, about as likely as I ever am to fly if I jump off a cliff.

How many of us know what it's like to sit inside our own heads watching the circuits fry and hearing the self-talk become ever crazier, knowing that you're going mad, but also knowing that you just can't tell anyone?

I know I'm not well, but what if one day I forget and do something stupid?

Fortunately for the rest of you I already edited out most of what I was going to post. Hooray for electronic communication! :D
 

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Fortunately for the rest of you I already edited out most of what I was going to post. Hooray for electronic communication! :D
...dang...

...sometimes those things that we want to say, but not really, are those things that we most disparately need to share...

...for one reason or another, be it social gracefulness, habit, or just the fact that you know the other person won't understand even if you told them - we tend to shit up quickly ...and it's best not to share with the right, because, I mean, after all ...what would happen if we all spoke our minds?

I'm sure most all introverts can relate to this...

...but...​


honestly... if something is not spoken, if action is not taken by these INFP males & INTP females before it's too late, then...
 

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II actually quite like this zombie thread ^^. Super interesting read. Especially because suicide is a prevalent theme in my life. It's interesting to see what intelligent people have to say about it.

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Well I think every girl is harshly self critical , since we are born we've all been taught to act and look a certain way. Although as INTPs we recognize this is silly I think because its so deeply rooted in our psyche that it still effects us to an extent. Also it feels as if every girl is truly alone. I have never actually seen any of those giggling support groups you speak of. Underneath all that I'm sure it's all catty politics. I believe that in the end every single one of us is alone.

I have never really had a problem with bottling things up. I know that people say that keeping things to your self makes you go crazy eventually, however I never actually felt this. Of course if I have gone crazy, I really wouldn’t be able to acknowledge it myself. I do have thoughts of suicide though. It's never because of sadness, rather just a deep feeling of "this world is so beautiful... I wish I could close my eyes and never wake from this peace". I usually get the feeling when I am hiking, or in a big city. Somewhere that has a lot to look at. Its such a deep feeling that I think if I had a weapon then I would surely use it on myself.

Self loathing... well sometimes I get this intense revulsion at my self. Like when I look in a mirrior. Not all the time of course but just once in a while. I just think thats not me thats some lesser being, and why am I trapped here...Remnant feelings from a past life? Perhaps i will remember that I was an Angel or something executed for loving a human...?
 

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I can certainly identify with lor's post. I don't remember a time in my life when I haven't felt consumed and lost in self criticism, even self loathing.

My brain never stops and it feels like it is consuming itself sometimes. I often feel like I am on the verge of snapping, in a weird way, even wanting to snap, so that I lose all sense of reality and get lost in a self unaware bliss. But I don't snap, which brings me even further down because the reality and absurdity of life is overwhelming. Spirituality only patched over it, but below the surface I continued to seethe. Now that I have shed myself of spirituality I am free to be honest with myself about it, but never free to be honest with anyone else about it.

All my life people have told me I just need to "pick myself up", "develop a positive self image", or "think happy thoughts". But frankly, I just want to say "go fuck yourself" to that. If it were that easy I would have done it by now.
 

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(I'm not sure what has already been said in this or other treads before, but...)

I agree with you guys. And I do also suspect that many 'support agancies' are simply doing their 'job' without genuinely caring for them - and truly one is on his own in the end. Even psychologist often times could care less about a patient, especially if they themselves are also struggling with something.

I have come to suspect that the only true medication for suicidal depression is complete 'understanding' and 'love' for that person - something that is not in a psychologist's field of practice to preform. Professionalism prohibits such attatchment to a patient; attatchment that may actually be the only means for that patient to survive!

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I was just wondering...

Personally, what type of person would you actually open up to in these circumstances? What are the qualifications of an individual for you to be able to open up all that is eating you up inside to them? What would you look for in a person, for that person to actually be able to help you?


(...Just an open question..if anyone wants to share?...)
 

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Heh, I think various threads around here have been good for discussing some of what ails us.

It will always be typical of us though to withhold information. Selective disclosure.

On another note - I was thinking about the empowering aspect of suicidal ideation. Yes, I think there is such.

Rather than looking at every day as a wish to die, we could look at everyday in which we don't succumb as a day in which we chose to live.

If we say, I have the power to end my life and I can do that any day I choose to, but today I will not, today I will choose to live: I shall exercise my choice. Doesn't that cast it in a whole new perspective?

It dawned on me the degree of power in contemplating something such as suicide, having the means to execute oneself/the act, but in then reaching the conscious decision not to. It creates a victory, a sense of power over one's fate instead of being a victim of life.

In this way the direct contemplation and planning of suicide can be the thing that not only holds you back from the brink, but actually turns you around.

Today my life will be worthwhile because I have chosen to live.
 

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This reminds me of the song "Hero":


No one talks to her, she feels so alone
Shes in too much painto survive on her own
The hurt she cant handle overflows to a knife
She writes on her arm, wants to give up her life
Each day she goes on is a day that she is brave,
Fighting the lie that giving up is the way,
Each moment of courage her own life she saves
When she throws out the pills a hero is made

[Chorus]
Heroes are made when you make a choice
You could be a hero
Heroes do whats right
You could be a hero
You might save a life
You could be a hero, You could join the fight
For whats right for whats right for whats right
 

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...If we say, I have the power to end my life and I can do that any day I choose to, but today I will not, today I will choose to live: I shall exercise my choice. Doesn't that cast it in a whole new perspective?

i agree, and I think that carries over to many things in life.

You could say, "I hate my job, and I could quit any day I want, but i am choosing right now to continue because I benefit in some way... and meanwhile I can try to make it what I want it to be."

Or, "I hate my marriage, I'm not happy, and I could walk out tonight if I wanted to, but I am here because I am choosing for <this reason> to stay and make it work."

People find it easier to live in denial and thus inhibit their awareness of their freedom... so then they don't have to make hard decisions or take responsibility for them.

It's empowering to realize that you do have a choice, but also frightening. Still, that's better than the denial of the reality of the situation at hand.

I know, I know... I've been digging up old threads like crazy, but just one more :D
I found some very interesting statistics that apply to us...

Wow. What an impressive student handbook... and fascinating stuff.

And yeah, I think unless female INTPs develop some large chunks of F, we are in the hole for the reasons mentioned (least likely to blindly accept social standards and most like to be internally self-critical for not doing so)... and then have a lack of social support and romantic interest and whatever else since we break the mold. Male INTPs still conform to some degree with the "intellectual male" image.

Over on MBTIc, female NTs were talking and it seems many of them, even if they generally "like kids," never really had the same mothering instinct that other types have, and many have avoided it. I love my children dearly but i'm constantly torn over responsibility and love for them vs being autonomous and not providing them as much emotional affirmation as they might desire or at least as much as society thinks I should.

It's weird that I'm alive when considering that bit of data along with transgender suicide rates. :confused:

And don't you dare give up, girl, either -- you hang in there. :hug:
 

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I can certainly identify with lor's post. I don't remember a time in my life when I haven't felt consumed and lost in self criticism, even self loathing.

Sigh. yup.

Actually, the last year of my life has been the BEST EVER... and it still sucks compared to the "average person" (as best as I can tell from outside their heads). I have forgiven myself for much lately, and now allow myself to be human... but now I have to put up with shit from other people because I'm not fulfilling their expectations. In the past, their criticisms would have destroyed me because they would have been amplified by my own internal self-destructive criticism circuitry, and now I have ego boundaries and can say, "They're not right, they're judging you unfairly, and you can stick up for yourself, because you're a good person and you know what you need." But even THAT is still exhausting.

And the friction still leaves me feeling bad.

I know sometimes even my opinions here have felt "sharp" to me and sort of abrasive, and I feel bad for "arguing" with Fusion and others about religious topics. Even though I'm just stating what I see to be true. I feel bad about the friction. It hurts to assert oneself, even if you believe something strongly.

My brain never stops and it feels like it is consuming itself sometimes. I often feel like I am on the verge of snapping, in a weird way, even wanting to snap, so that I lose all sense of reality and get lost in a self unaware bliss. But I don't snap, which brings me even further down because the reality and absurdity of life is overwhelming.
Oh, dear, yes -- I cannot tell you how many times I wish I could just go "crazy" and lose touch with reality because of the stress level and exhaustion. If I was crazy, I would no longer have to carry the burden.

But you can't go crazy, can you?

My therapists think I'm one of the sanest people in therapy they've ever met, which is why it has been so productive. I would think many of us are the same way -- we are much more sensitive to the nuances and stimulation and ramifications of things than others (highly aware), yet also have such a commitment to that reality that we can't lie about it, excuse it, change it, or paint it differently.

It creates a very very painful internal tension.

Spirituality only patched over it, but below the surface I continued to seethe. Now that I have shed myself of spirituality I am free to be honest with myself about it, but never free to be honest with anyone else about it.
Yes. That's, like, the next step.
But there's hell to pay when you start.

I carried the tension inside for years.
Now I have had to deal with lots of external opinion and garbage, when I finally let myself live according to what I actually believed and/or challenge the status quo.

All my life people have told me I just need to "pick myself up", "develop a positive self image", or "think happy thoughts". But frankly, I just want to say "go fuck yourself" to that. If it were that easy I would have done it by now.
Yes, exactly.

And it goes back to what I said a minute ago; I think that INTPs, especially ones with some life experience and context, are stringently committed to "reality at all costs." We don't like bs, we don't like "colorations" of the facts, we just want to see and respond to and assess what is THERE.

We don't care if that makes us feel bad.
We don't care if that makes us unhappy or depressed.
We don't care if it's inconvenient.

Because the 'commitment to reality' is far stronger and more important than what we feel.

And even our feelings are a reality -- when I'm happy, it would be a lie to make myself feel sad, and when I'm sad, it would be a lie to pretend to be happy.

A positive feeling state is not the ultimate goal in living life; the ultimate goal is having a clear sense of reality at the moment in time it is assessed.
 

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It's weird that I'm alive when considering that bit of data along with transgender suicide rates. :confused:

You also have to consider the possibility of correlation between transgenderness and INPfulness.

Now that I have shed myself of spirituality I am free to be honest with myself about it, but never free to be honest with anyone else about it.

So, do we not count as people, or do we just not count as other people? :p
 

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I know, I know... I've been digging up old threads like crazy, but just one more :D

I found some very interesting statistics that apply to us:

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Source: College Student Suicide, pg 160 http://books.google.com/books?id=GA...X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA160,M1



Is it particularly difficult being a female INTP?:(

...wow. Yes, it is difficult, but I am so thankful that I was born into good circumstances. If people didn't know what's inside my head, they'd think my life is perfect, simply because I have good grades, and a good family, among other things. If it weren't for my being in a stable environment, I could see myself being
suicidal, though I know I couldn't go through with it. Even the thought of hurting myself makes my stomach churn.

It's hard with not only the self doubt and "otherworldly" perspective and other INTP quirks, but the fact that I don't have a set place in this world. As others have mentioned, INTP males have the "lazy genius" stereotype to hide behind. INTP females have no such thing. All they can do is either be alone, or make an effort to join a group that is largely alien to them.

I am an alien that looks like she has it together, but I know all too well.
 

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...I'm still convinced that not a single person I've met has it all together. About 9/10 of them I know they don't, because we talk. Half of those left I hear stories about them from people they trust, who also trust me. For the few left... hell, by probability I just kind of doubt they're as peachy as they act.

@Sylzarra awesome avatar!

Auburn said:
...sometimes those things that we want to say, but not really, are those things that we most disparately need to share...

out, out, out! What did I tell you about staying in my head?

I'm nearly positive that's true, and I practically lived by it from like 2 years ago until about 2 months ago... in fact I just told someone exactly that less than 3 days ago.

Not only do we most need to share them, they most need to be heard. The broader perspective (even if it's just so that you have something so simple as "not everyone has it together as much as they seem like they do" tucked away for future reference) is valuable.
 

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i've been looking at this thread off and on, and its difficult for me to think about my own thoughts like that sometimes. in 9th grade i attempted suicide (and failed, obviously). theres only 2 other people that i've ever even told that to before. i maybe should have been on medication, but i dealt with it on my own. i'm not even sure what was going through my head. i was abusing pain killers (codeine and vicodin when i could get my hands on it) and was picked on mercilessly in school. i don't hate myself now, but i still hate who i was back then. i often think to myself that i probably deserved to be harassed when i was in school because i'm a loser from a loser family. even my student counseler told me i wouldn't amount to anything (to be fair, he was pretty much right).

i think most of my depression is self inflicted. not just with the heavy drinking, but i often think myself into depression spirals. thats often where i fit part of the description of narcissist, because even if i'm feeling depressed inside, i tend to put up a hard front, being abrasive, blunt, and crude in my demeanor.

probably shout club worthy. anyway, i got all the emotion out i care to for one day.
 

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that was worth hearing.

too many parallels to name, as usual. Less picked on externally, though.

dr. cox, anyone?
 

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fuck cultural expectations. id be beating myself up if i were too much of a pussy to say it.

eventually the thick skin splits. youre better off finding people and trying to shed it yourself. ... though that at least coming from someone whose (I just realized) 3 best friends are ENFPs.
 

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So, do we not count as people, or do we just not count as other people? :p

Good point. The people on this forum do count, but there is a certain anonymity here. I actually feel more free to unleash my thoughts here than anywhere else. The fact of the matter is that, almost without exception, if anyone in my real world life read some of the shit I've posted here I would be horrified. I don't ever feel free to be true anywhere but here. What does that mean? Is it healthy?
 

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That was my biggest concern when I first came here (I'm not a forum-dweller by any stretch... or at least I wasn't 4 months ago).

It wasn't unjustified. It's definitely filled a hole that I don't think it's good to, and I've been mulling over the same questions. Still undecided (go figure)...
 
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