Suicide. Why not?

[sophistic*nt]

We've all thought about it. Most of us at very young ages, 8 or so, probably. Why have you, like me, decided no, never?

For me, it's pretty simple. Life is about experiences. They end at death, and that's reason enough for me to be so obstinate as to say no. I will never die. I refuse. I don't care how bad it gets. Until there is nothing left of me, I will struggle, because there is no other reason to live.

 

[pjoa09]

my mama.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I think the only thing that stopped me from killing myself six years ago was merely due to the fact that the ramifications of my death was not isolated. People just don't recover from a loss of a loved one.

 

[The Gopher]

We've all thought about it. Most of us at very young ages, 8 or so, probably. Why have you, like me, decided no, never?

What do you mean 8 or so. I don't have that good a memory to know if I bothered back then or if I did how am I meant to remember why?

 

[Taniwha]

I've attempted suicide on more than one occasion. I guess what stopped me was the simple question 'why?' I guess there's a part of me that wants to see what would happen If I did die. They say curiosity killed the cat, but in my case its one of the few things keeping me around. First attempt was at the age of 12.

Broken thinker? Very much so.

 

[Jesse]

The greatest reason why I have never done it, is I wouldn't gain anything. Death is going to happen eventually.

 

[Stoic Beverage]

I haven't the slightest clue.

 

[Cognisant]

The greatest reason why I have never done it, is I wouldn't gain anything. Death is going to happen eventually.

Perfect.

 

[BigApplePi]

I thought the pain was unbearable. I didn't see any way out. I think the reason was I couldn't prove it. There was a way out. It just meant waiting. Pain is sensual. I have contempt for sensual. I spit on it. Am not sure what that means.

 

[Minuend]

What do you mean 8 or so. I don't have that good a memory to know if I bothered back then or if I did how am I meant to remember why?

I used to have a diary when I was about 10-11. I looked back at it when I was a bit older and observed the words "I want to die" written over two pages several times. Oh, I was such a sweet child A bit dramatic tho

What I find puzzling is the use of "most". I certainly don't hope most of "us'" (whoever that is) wanted to die at such an early age. After all, back then we were still waiting for the next passing federal starship to take us with them.

Oh, and there are like a bizillion threads about suicide.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

I often think of what would happen if I took an overdose of pills or hung myself, but I'd never do it. Sometimes I feel like cutting myself when I've done something stupid I regret, but I never do.
It's just not worth it, really. If you're dead, nothing can ever get better either.

 

[BigApplePi]

If you're dead, nothing can ever get better either.

How about this? When you're at your lowest point, things can only go up. If they get better, build on that. If they go lower, that ain't fair. Get angry.

 

[Minuend]

Actually, sometimes you are on your lowest point and it's not possible to get up. Determination isn't always enough.

 

[Wish]

I think the only thing that stopped me from killing myself six years ago was merely due to the fact that the ramifications of my death was not isolated. People just don't recover from a loss of a loved one.

It seems like such an unforgivably selfish thing to do.. so I decided if it ever does come to that I would have to begin by already being dead to everyone, disappearing.

(Un)fortunately, there is only one person that this would hurt.

 

[GYX_Kid]

because it makes you food for the competitive trolls' laughter and amusement

it's mostly just not the greatest option in the scheme of things. although if it were possible to slice my throat open just for the experience and then wake up again, it could provide ridiculous enlightenment

 

[final-dimension]

Cause I will experience death anyways.Have to many goals to accomplish, and to many things to change in this world!But I tried twice this is what stopped me.

 

[BigApplePi]

Actually, sometimes you are on your lowest point and it's not possible to get up. Determination isn't always enough.

Determination isn't required. Sometimes one can stay still. (Think of just being plain sick.) Wait. Things can happen internally. Crawl. If one is ashamed or humiliated, one is still alive.

 

[Minuend]

How can things get better if you have incurable cancer? Are paralysed neck down?

 

[GYX_Kid]

How can things get better if you have incurable cancer? Are paralysed neck down?

heroin and ecstasy

...and jumping out of a plane

 

[kantor1003]

Much suicide talk here. I wonder how many x-forumers here have gone through with the act instead of just talking about it all the time. You know what would be fun? Next time one of you want, and decide, to take the rope, post a thread about it and arrange for someone near your physical body to post an update at your passing. Preferably with pictures included. In the thread, before committing the act, you could tell us all about how you are going to go through with it, your mental state, how you feel, what you think, your outlook, etc. Would be a great read I'm sure
If you have thought about it for a long time, why not do it now? Today is as good as tomorrow and you could get some long time intpforum fame to go along with. Perhaps even get in the news? Think about the thousands of lurkers and posters that you would bring some joy and excitement? Surely more than one can say about what you accomplish if you just continue your dull, pointless, perhaps even painful (?), existence.
Suicide, why not indeed! Come on you depressive bastards! I am sure one of you want to take the step forward.

Gogogo!

 

[BigApplePi]

How can things get better if you have incurable cancer? Are paralysed neck down?

Steve Reeves (Superman) was paralysed from the neck down. He went on to live his life and did many good things.

Incurable cancer? Here is what Kulber-Ross had to say:
Kübler-Ross model - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[BigApplePi]

kantor2011. This thread is supposed to be depressive. Now you come along and cheer everyone up. Shame on you!

 

[Minuend]

That model isn't sufficiently supported by evidence.

Well, I won't reply here any more. I'm in a bad mood today, I think. I regret my posts already- That's sooner than usual.

 

[kantor1003]

kantor2011. This thread is supposed to be depressive. Now you come along and cheer everyone up. Shame on you!

A man as intelligent as yourself should be able to remember 4 digits. You have lost all my respect. But still, if 2011 wasn't intentional, it would offer me some solace knowing that I'm not the only one being totally illiterate when it comes to remembering numbers.

To the rest of the content, why thank you! Only on an intp forum would one be accused for cheering people up when encouraging them to finish themselves off for communal amusementXD

 

[BigApplePi]

You have lost all my respect.

kantor0666. Don't worry. I never claimed to be worthy of anything so lofty. I hope your loss doesn't make you feel that bad. I'm flattered that I once had it. Now that's it's lost, consider it over. I'm leaving ... but not this world. I'm putting everything on hold ... pending.

 

[kantor1003]

I'm leaving ...

Omg, omg! We have a candidate!

...but not this world.

Fuck you for bringing my hopes up, ApplePiBig.

 

[SpaceYeti]

We've all thought about it. Most of us at very young ages, 8 or so, probably. Why have you, like me, decided no, never?

For me, it's pretty simple. Life is about experiences. They end at death, and that's reason enough for me to be so obstinate as to say no. I will never die. I refuse. I don't care how bad it gets. Until there is nothing left of me, I will struggle, because there is no other reason to live.

Everything I enjoy requires that I'm alive.

 

[crippli]

I think I'm too stubborn. I suspect my suicide will come about more in the form of murder, or indirect suicide. I never give up when a goal is set, even if I say I do, but that's just a diversion.

A knife in my back or poison in my morning tea seems more likely.

As to why not? I doubt it would be interesting being dead. Have not had reports coming in to support that notion.

 

[Bunkerman]

I decided that suicide is the cowards way out, and I refused to be a coward. On the other hand, when I'm ninety and shitting my pants, what's the point?

 

[crippli]

On the other hand, when I'm ninety and shitting my pants, what's the point?

As it always was? Eating and shitting..?!

Ones perspective perhaps changes if one have had a fulfilling life, or ones options fades away. At some point I think death can become a lover you long for to embrace. Kiss of death. And it's all fine. but suspect it's a trick, and foul games have been in play

 

[Reluctantly]

Cripp, if you want to get information on being dead, try talking to your fellow man. Many of them are.

You know, Crip sounds like a gang name. I think it sounds good.

I will put you in my will.

 

[Underscore]

Suicide as a last ditch effort to escape the drudgery of life? Hell no. I've been through some rough times, and was in a state of depression for quite a while, but like it or not, there are people here that would be devastated if something were to happen to me. It would be several steps beyond selfish for me to put my family through that considering the delicate nature of my families current situation. I conclude my answer with a quote from "House" (yeah yeah...quoting a T.V. show...I know).

"Living in misery is marginally better than dying in it."

 

[crippli]

Reluctantly;
I love surprises. Please do. Unexpected things happens. There is something to be said for that. That's also a reason to live.

 

[BigApplePi]

Suicide as a last ditch effort to escape the drudgery of life? Hell no. I've been through some rough times, and was in a state of depression for quite a while, but like it or not, there are people here that would be devastated if something were to happen to me. It would be several steps beyond selfish for me to put my family through that considering the delicate nature of my families current situation. I conclude my answer with a quote from "House" (yeah yeah...quoting a T.V. show...I know).

"Living in misery is marginally better than dying in it."

I actually think you've hit on the answer to the question, "Why not?"

No matter how depressed we are and how much we'd like to leave the content of that depression or pain behind, the world is LARGE. We always retain an involvement with a part of it. That involvement, whether conscious or unconscious holds us.

 

[BigApplePi]

Here is an argument in favor of suicide ... metaphorical suicide. You may have heard of "born again Christians." They are born again when they become believers and followers of Jesus Christ.

Suppose one believes they are a sinner, have done bad, are bad. So they seek salvation. Here comes along a new way of living. So they completely discard (suicide) their old lives/selves and become a new person. They are born again.

 

[Underscore]

Here is an argument in favor of suicide ... metaphorical suicide. You may have heard of "born again Christians." They are born again when they become believers and followers of Jesus Christ.

Suppose one believes they are a sinner, have done bad, are bad. So they seek salvation. Here comes along a new way of living. So they completely discard (suicide) their old lives/selves and become a new person. They are born again.

But in that scenario, the person still retains their past. They really aren't killing themselves, more just making an effort to change and rid themselves of their habits and vices. It becomes more of a semantic argument here...whether the definition of suicide could be extended to fit this example or one that is similar. My take on it would be no. "Born again" is just a nice sounding marketing slogan.

 

[EvilScientist Trainee]

Isn't suicide the same as giving up?

I'm not willing to give up, especially my life.

 

[snafupants]

Suicide is plain average, and almost as boring as happiness. Contentment is more sustainable than either of these, easily related, extremes.

 

[Melllvar]

Among other reasons: So many people would get pleasure out of it. They'd laugh and gloat in my misery. (I remember someone else I knew who killed himself, and afterwards people were laughing about it and saying stuff like, "Haha, I always wanted that guy to kill himself.") I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.

There are a few other reasons too, but I don't really feel comfortable going into them right now.

 

[Firehazard159]

I think the only thing that stopped me from killing myself six years ago was merely due to the fact that the ramifications of my death was not isolated. People just don't recover from a loss of a loved one.

I can't actually fathom that. That people don't recover, I mean. I've never really seen a person *not* recover, and it hasn't affected me. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, mind you, just that I can't actually process it and relate it to being a good reason not to commit suicide.

I'd have to agree with the OP - it's simply a matter of determination, more or less. As far as I know, I can only experience it as long as I'm alive, death, if there is anything after it, is pretty unknowable. So, even if I don't enjoy my time, I at least made it through.

 

[Firehazard159]

It seems like such an unforgivably selfish thing to do.. so I decided if it ever does come to that I would have to begin by already being dead to everyone, disappearing.

(Un)fortunately, there is only one person that this would hurt.

I've tried this, and to some extent have been successful. But, it doesn't work entirely. Family, for better or for worse, manages to drop some contact in around every 3-6 months. At this point, the only people who really experience my life, is my coworkers.

 

[Thoughtful]

It's too much work. I'm too lazy to commit suicide.

 

[Meer]

I think it's funny when people talk about suicide being selfish and cowardly.

Why not? I'm not in the mood. No good reason, really.

 

[Unsure]

I've thought about suicide many times. Only two things have kept on these occasions have kept me from actually doing so, the effect the would have on my kids, and my curiosity of what will happen later on in life. You never know when things will get better.

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I can't actually fathom that. That people don't recover, I mean. I've never really seen a person *not* recover, and it hasn't affected me.

One learns to deal with the loss. Perhaps, over time the recurring thoughts start to fade and the event becomes a distant memory or the biophysical manifestation of grief becomes less apparent. Despite of this, one doesn't recover. Though, one could always get into semantic argument about the definition of recovery and what can be attributed to it.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen, mind you, just that I can't actually process it and relate it to being a good reason not to commit suicide.

I believe in life and death that I bare full responsibility of my actions. If I have wronged or dishonoured an individual and there is a claim, I am obligated to provide remedy or enter dispute negotiation. Thus by conducting such an action, killing the loved one of another individual, I am in dishonour and there is claim against me. When my existence ceases I will not be able to remedy the claim.

Along with the altruism...

 

[SpaceYeti]

Isn't suicide the same as giving up?

I'm not willing to give up, especially my life.

That depends on how and why you do it.

 

[Reluctantly]

Reluctantly;
I love surprises. Please do. Unexpected things happens. There is something to be said for that. That's also a reason to live.

Great, you get my used condom collection then. I knew if I waited long enough, I could find someone that would enjoy it. Good, now everything is settled.

 

[BigApplePi]

One learns to deal with the loss. Perhaps, over time the recurring thoughts start to fade and the event becomes a distant memory or the biophysical manifestation of grief becomes less apparent. Despite of this, one doesn't recover. Though, one could always get into semantic argument about the definition of recovery and what can be attributed to it.

The loss may be a loss of one's honor, someone one loves or someone someone else loved. One still must deal with it internally even if the time grows distant. How to deal with ones' SELF is the issue.

I believe in life and death that I bare full responsibility of my actions. If I have wronged or dishonoured an individual and there is a claim, I am obligated to provide remedy or enter dispute negotiation. Thus by conducting such an action, killing the loved one of another individual, I am in dishonour and there is claim against me. When my existence ceases I will not be able to remedy the claim.
Along with the altruism...

While one may have to deal with legal situations, there is also guilt. One has trouble recovering from the pain inflicted on others. This may have been brought about by accident or the heat of the moment. The specific situation may be the way we address how to deal with guilt. I think one has to look at the specific situation and the people involved. This forum may or may not be the medium to do so. If one is concerned serious situations may be taken lightly, there is always "private messages" available.

 

[BigApplePi]

Among other reasons: So many people would get pleasure out of it. They'd laugh and gloat in my misery. (I remember someone else I knew who killed himself, and afterwards people were laughing about it and saying stuff like, "Haha, I always wanted that guy to kill himself.") I wouldn't give them the satisfaction.

There are a few other reasons too, but I don't really feel comfortable going into them right now.

That reminds me of the opposite. A person wants to kill himself in revenge. "You did this to me. Now you will miss me and be so sorry when I'm gone." I don't think that works for long. They may miss you for a while but you will miss life a lot longer.

 

[BigApplePi]

Unsure. I'm sure I like your avatar.