If INTPs are individualists (are they?), that's not true of the old Japanese culture where dishonor could be undone by this:
Oh god-really? Keep it. Well, each of us find different things interesting. As long as it keeps us alive I assume it's fine. Find another.
Yes. That seldom works. Sacrifice may work, ala Jesus, with a devious plot. Revenge is overrated. Few cares for long. It's just for yourself done this way. And what is the point if you are not alive to enjoy it? seems like another trick of the mind.
If one already has a complete set, there is no need for duplicates, is there?
Now you tell me. I already done it. I had it all planned to see how they felt about the thing and now I find I'm trapped here in limbo without even a body or a keypad ... "Satina
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Killing a bunch of people plus yourself for the promise of eternal bliss is hardly bravery. Killing yourself when you think you're going to hell, [ii]that's[/] bravery. You have nothing to gain, everything to lose, and you're going to be tortured for all of eternity. The dude who does that is a hard ass.
Really, so all that matters to you is that someone is "brave" and "hard" in doing so?
What horrors one is exposed for.Now you tell me. I already done it. I had it all planned to see how they felt about the thing and now I find I'm trapped here in limbo without even a body or a keypad ... "Satina
Many support systems open only if your life is in danger. It's a functional way to get attention from an often non responsive system. I imagine it might be tricky. Calculating the bloodstream from cut wrists, to time ambulance arrives. I suppose one should be discovered instead of calling it in. Not the easiest task to make it all play out as planned.
I have a confession to make. I pick up trash that collects along the side of the road. I found two used ones (on different occasions), but threw them away. If I'd known you were a collector I wouldn't have. Do you want me to save any future finds?
There is a real problem here. Think of your favorite pet. It gets sick. Do you want to kill it or do you want to try medical treatment.
Good for them. Depending on how sick my pet is, I judge whether or not to euthanize them. Just because I would like to keep them around doesn't mean the humane thing to do isn't putting them out of their misery. It's the same with humans. Just because we want to visit a loved one, or just because people want to visit you, does it mean the pain is worth it? That's up to the sick person to decide, or whomever has their living will or their power of attorney whatever. Sometimes the pain simply isn't worth it, and if they're going to die soon anyway, why bother? So loved ones can see you? They care more about being in your miserable presence than allowing you to make the decision that living isn't worth it any more? In this case, I'd say the sick person's selfishness has priority.
I have yet to prove there is a difference between people and animals, but what is that difference? Nothing people like more than to have autonomy. They want make their own decisions. Pets can't do that. They can't speak. We have to judge. In rare cases people can't communicate. Those cases may be tragic and rare and unavoidable.
Suicide has something to do with giving up hope. There is always hope though. There is hope even if one thinks there isn't because one can think wrongly. (Find a flaw in that argument, lol.)
Puffy. Sorry for being so theoretical, but it seems that what we are comes partly from what is us and partly from other people. I think this thread somehow tells us what is needed. Since what we are is from other people, what we are going to be can use other people, though what we are is further along than what we were before.If I had no one to care for and know one who cared for me - I think that would be my lowest. As stubborn as I like to be I can admit I need people... and their approval. Sigh
