Should I do acid

[Pizzabeak]

Someone keeps asking if I want any but I said no. I needed to finish reading about it. I think he just needed some money - I haven't really done it before but read enough about it. I might just rather do something else.
Some propaganda says it can be bad - I think I know an acid head or two that are fried from it, presumably. It's hard to hang out with them now, so...
But, it can have good, controlled, perhaps limited use in clinical psychotherapy, which I'm not signed up for or probably necessarily need. I'd just listen to music and see what I need to do... But, it might be better not to.
Should I try some? I'd only do it once because I've seen some changes it could make. Never really understood the fascination with it given other things out there.
And knowing the history. It's hard, unless the Swiss were working for the CIA, necessarily. It seemed to be discovered innocently but the Illuminati definitely handed it out indiscriminately in the 60's. So it was, like, good and bad but... I might not need it. These things have a habit of making what is terribly obvious magnificent and relevant, but since it is normally obvious the body may just relegate it, like breathing, so you don't need to consciously be thinking about it all the time. A fresh perspective I guess.
Could be healthier than alcohol.

 

[TheManBeyond]

ISFJ

 

[QuickTwist]

I actually want to try acid sometime. I had shooms by myself once (1/8), but that's the closest I have come to trying acid.

 

[Sinny91]

YES.

Yes the CIA and shadow government misused it in the 60's, but that shouldn't stop you from using it right.

Dude it's great, I'm trying so hard to get some -

Comes in tabs, you can adjust your own dosage, a tab or two won't make you crazy or anything.

It'll just make the world look fucking awesome. DO IT.

 

[Puffy]

If you have no history of mental disturbance, are well adjusted, can handle potentially difficult experiences, and are relatively satisfied with where you are in life then whatever harm could be caused is probably easily mitigated. Obviously start with a low dose if you decide to.

I have a friend with a history of mental illness, and even after smoking cannabis she went totally dissociative for days. I would never give a psychoactive substance to someone without having a decent intuition into them as a person (not that I am able to in the first place), and would not suggest it to you personally. Better to be safe than sorry.

I've never tried acid but am personally skeptical of it in comparison to plant-based hallucinogens like shrooms or mescaline. I've observed beautiful minds get wrecked by it in a way that doesn't seem to happen with responsible use of the latter. I don't trust the fact that it was humanly synthesised in a lab 50 years ago, vs. generations upon generations of human usage in the latter case.

 

[TBerg]

I have heard of at least two good cases of microdosing. I would try a little bit when I get a day off, but I have never gotten ahold of any.

Tim Ferriss has intimated that he is a fan of microdosing as well.

 

[Pizzabeak]

For the record I tried it once, maybe, but think I fell asleep before it could fully kick in. Or, it was bunk. Or my body was unaffected by it, like that enlightened Buddha, but I more so think it could have been bunk.

YES.

Yes the CIA and shadow government misused it in the 60's, but that shouldn't stop you from using it right.

Dude it's great, I'm trying so hard to get some -

Comes in tabs, you can adjust your own dosage, a tab or two won't make you crazy or anything.

It'll just make the world look fucking awesome. DO IT.

Yeah I'm sure it's great but I don't want to get fried. Even with mushrooms doing too many you run the risk of getting fried. The biggest thing you have to keep under control is whatever your job is, paying the bills; etc because you can easily lose track of time.

So, I would also advise to read Stanislav Grof before attempting to be authoritative on psychedelics whatsoever, let alone trying them.

It could be type related but even pot can make me go deep sometimes. Having been weaned off it I may be better suited to handle deep acid experiments. But again, I know some acid head specifically and am not sure if the change is something I want. There seems to be pros and cons, if any at all. Getting older, I just don't want to compromise my brain or head any further, if it even makes a difference.
But only in the interest of science will I do it. I'd just need to see how the visuals hold up. If you see a lapse in my grammar and spelling (non autocorrect induced) then that means I'm probably fried but can still somewhat function in the world. What may be better is to go ahead and do it with a group of trusted people. I would do it and do whatever but what can it give me that other substances can't provide? Apparently it isn't outdated yet... What good have all the acid heads from the hippie era brought? Besides moderately groovy music. I'm interested in an OBE which LSD can possibly do as a shortcut to a meditative/lucid dreaming/hypnagogic one but if I can't read or write afterwards then I can't do it. Hopefully worrying too much.

No, no, no...

 

[TheManBeyond]

I think u won't try like u didn't upload that type me video

 

[Brontosaurie]

"Other things" meaning...?

You don't sound very enthused.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Dunno, it just sounds fairly artificial, maybe good to try once but not to abuse. Supposedly your vision can improve in some ways. The significance of its origin is that it is structurally similar to a wheat fungus, which caused a range of effects, and serotonin is related, which plays a number of roles. The original series of medicine they were trying to make was heart related and capable of vasoconstriction, so some of that may still be related. I don't know the full extent of the program but they thought it could be used for mind control and causing people to go mad. Generally, there was mixed success.

The biggest proponent was apparently Tim Leary. It also became recreational but this is also considering its experimental uses which perhaps didn't live up to hype. It doesn't seem that appealing that such a substance contains much truth, unless it is really useful insight gained from being in this kind of intoxication. Given its base structure and their typical effects this molecule is interesting because it was mostly randomly discovered and right enough to induce any psychedelia or euphoria.

Tim Leary has been accused of being a spy though, for the government. Whether his support for it was because he believed it was good or it was part of the program to spread it like coke is up in the air. He apparently used it himself, and were all proponents of psilocybin and everything else.

This would be like trying to find something of substance in the alcohol intoxication or smoking pot. It would just be for euphoria. Unless it is significantly must have it might be better to do something else. Although, some people need it and it's good for them. There have been some successful people who have heavily used it. Only if you're an asshole would I recommend being dosed with it over a period of sessions to hypothetically fix a personality blight or offer perspective on a habit, in that manner.

 

[Brontosaurie]

Assholes don't know they're assholes, thus we should all do acid.

 

[Pizzabeak]

Alcoholics, you can apparently bring them in.
But there could be marked, preferred benefits to alcohol that some may be fine with. After a point in which they can be called an addict they can go through an acid trial and cope better with that.

 

[Sinny91]

For the record I tried it once, maybe, but think I fell asleep before it could fully kick in. Or, it was bunk. Or my body was unaffected by it, like that enlightened Buddha, but I more so think it could have been bunk.



Yeah I'm sure it's great but I don't want to get fried. Even with mushrooms doing too many you run the risk of getting fried. The biggest thing you have to keep under control is whatever your job is, paying the bills; etc because you can easily lose track of time.

So, I would also advise to read Stanislav Grof before attempting to be authoritative on psychedelics whatsoever, let alone trying them.

It could be type related but even pot can make me go deep sometimes. Having been weaned off it I may be better suited to handle deep acid experiments. But again, I know some acid head specifically and am not sure if the change is something I want. There seems to be pros and cons, if any at all. Getting older, I just don't want to compromise my brain or head any further, if it even makes a difference.
But only in the interest of science will I do it. I'd just need to see how the visuals hold up. If you see a lapse in my grammar and spelling (non autocorrect induced) then that means I'm probably fried but can still somewhat function in the world. What may be better is to go ahead and do it with a group of trusted people. I would do it and do whatever but what can it give me that other substances can't provide? Apparently it isn't outdated yet... What good have all the acid heads from the hippie era brought? Besides moderately groovy music. I'm interested in an OBE which LSD can possibly do as a shortcut to a meditative/lucid dreaming/hypnagogic one but if I can't read or write afterwards then I can't do it. Hopefully worrying too much.

No, no, no...

I'm familiar with Stanislove Grof, his work influenced many occultists in the US
Military.

You think 'conspiracy theorists' and 'New Agers' have weird interests?
You aint seen what the 'big boys' get up to.

Anyway, if you are going to over think whilst you're taking the acid, like you are over thinking here, then maybe it's not for you. Don't think, just do.

 

[Pizzabeak]

When did I say that

 

[Sinny91]

When did I say that

You didn't, I was going off on a tangent.

 

[Pizzabeak]

We should take it together

 

[Sinny91]

We should take it together

I'm trying to acquire some for my birthday a week from now, not that the particular day matters. Where are you again?

 

[EditorOne]

Here's some advice from the dawn of the acid age:

1. Don't do acid alone.
2. Don't do acid with strangers.
3. Don't do your first trip in a public place.
4. By all means try it in the company of people you trust who have had some experience with it.

All of that because it's a strange drug, affects people in surprising ways, and can be a bag of horrors if you find it overwhelming. But it's also a source of endlessly diverting effects that can really open your mind.

 

[Bad Itch]

Here's some advice from the dawn of the acid age:

1. Don't do acid alone.
2. Don't do acid with strangers.
3. Don't do your first trip in a public place.
4. By all means try it in the company of people you trust who have had some experience with it.

All of that because it's a strange drug, affects people in surprising ways, and can be a bag of horrors if you find it overwhelming. But it's also a source of endlessly diverting effects that can really open your mind.

I second all of this advice... seems pretty wise to me.

 

[Architect]

No, why would you do that? Don't fuck with your brain for the sake of a few moments of acting stupid. There are much better ways of getting "endlessly diverting effects that can really open your mind."

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

No, why would you do that? Don't fuck with your brain for the sake of a few moments of acting stupid. There are much better ways of getting "endlessly diverting effects that can really open your mind."

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It had fairly little effect when I tried it, too.

It did have an effect, but nothing near as strong as what I expected.

Now I sometimes have trips of equal strength without even doing drugs.



Also... it may lower your enemies' defense levels. o.o

 

[Brontosaurie]

No, why would you do that? Don't fuck with your brain for the sake of a few moments of acting stupid. There are much better ways of getting "endlessly diverting effects that can really open your mind."

Shut up about things you don't know, clueless fool.

 

[Happy]

Acid got me back on track with my life. Recommended.

I advise taking it when you're in a good, positive mood and when you're not feeling worried about it.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Shut up about things you don't know, clueless fool.

fucken dunkd em man

 

[Pizzabeak]

No, why would you do that? Don't fuck with your brain for the sake of a few moments of acting stupid. There are much better ways of getting "endlessly diverting effects that can really open your mind."

Yeah but like what kind of ways? There has been mixed testimony. There might not be a universal answer to this. Mileage may vary? It's very hard to say. Maybe in an alternate timeline someone who normally abstains tries it and ends up bad yet in another they end up trying it and have a positive experience. I mean, but that would depend.

I may agree though, if you have heavy responsibilities dealing with other people and expectations/deadlines it could be too risky. So Steve Jobs apparently wanted to do Apple after he tried acid. What would, say, Einstein have said had he went ahead and experienced it?

 

[crippli]

Could be healthier than alcohol.

I'm not sure what you mean with 'acid'. Like HCI????

Reardless. Alcohol has a +12000 year record or someting of use. I'm not like dissing science or something. If 'acid' was better I'm quite certain i'd heard about it.

 

[Architect]

Yeah but like what kind of ways?

There's not a lot of argument generally that recreational drugs have statistically done more harm for people than good. Place bets, what are the odds that dropping acid would turn your life around, make you rich, successful, more content, sexier, funnier or happier? What are the odds of something you would regret later? Or at best just an indifferent experience? I'm libertarian and will fight for the rights of people to do this to themselves, while simultaneously disagreeing with it.

Otherwise, it's sad actually, this forum has been becoming more like INTP Central of six years ago. Used to be people here respected each other and their opinions, now, like there, it's becoming clannish and juvenile. Seems to be inevitable, I've seen so many discussion forums go that way, now it's the time of INTPf. Probably enough is enough.

 

[crippli]

Otherwise, it's sad actually, this forum has been becoming more like INTP Central of six years ago. Used to be people here respected each other and their opinions, now, like there, it's becoming clannish and juvenile. Seems to be inevitable, I've seen so many discussion forums go that way, now it's the time of INTPf. Probably enough is enough.

That's quite the accusation......... My opinion is that it would take a bit more to accomplish just that.



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I looked acid up, aka LSD. and micro-dosing of LSD it seemed to improve focus and so on. So if health benefits is important. One may want a specialist to moniter the use.

Like most things if done professionally, I don't see why benefits couldn't be extracted. The most vile poisons known, known through chance/accidents/purpose, tend to be useful, if injected professionally.

 

[nanook]

saying that lsd gives you visuals and improves your programming code or that salvia gives you lucid dreams or that weed is an appetizer is misleading like saying a car accident gave you an excuse to buy a new car. it doesn't tell anyone what it's like to fly through the windshields and tricks people into wanting the experience for all the wrong reasons.

however sometimes we need to be tricked or be open to random experience, or else we would miss many developmental opportunities. we can't know the value of many experiences until we have them. we may already value the possibility of fearlessness, possibly while considering it to be unattainable, but without coming to understand how ego relates to fear, through the repetitive experience of ego death, we could not understand and value the training effect of entheogens.

 

[Sinny91]

saying that lsd gives you visuals and improves your programming code or that salvia gives you lucid dreams or that weed is an appetizer is misleading like saying a car accident gave you an excuse to buy a new car. it doesn't tell anyone what it's like to fly through the windshields and tricks people into wanting the experience for all the wrong reasons.

however sometimes we need to be tricked or be open to random experience, or else we would miss many developmental opportunities. we can't know the value of many experiences until we have them. we may already value the possibility of fearlessness, possibly while considering it to be unattainable, but without coming to understand how ego relates to fear, through the repetitive experience of ego death, we could not understand and value the training effect of entheogens.

LSD does prompt visuals, weed is an appetizer and wrecking your current car is a damn good excuse to replace it with another.

Ego Death, Shmego Death.

 

[PmjPmj]

I have yet to try acid, but DMT was/is fucking amazing. If it's anything like that (which I'm sure it will be on some level - just not as intense) then yeah, go for it. Just ensure that you're in a good state of mind, in a safe environment and with someone who you trust implicitly.

 

[Brontosaurie]

There's not a lot of argument generally that recreational drugs have statistically done more harm for people than good. Place bets, what are the odds that dropping acid would turn your life around, make you rich, successful, more content, sexier, funnier or happier? What are the odds of something you would regret later? Or at best just an indifferent experience? I'm libertarian and will fight for the rights of people to do this to themselves, while simultaneously disagreeing with it.

Otherwise, it's sad actually, this forum has been becoming more like INTP Central of six years ago. Used to be people here respected each other and their opinions, now, like there, it's becoming clannish and juvenile. Seems to be inevitable, I've seen so many discussion forums go that way, now it's the time of INTPf. Probably enough is enough.

You think this is argument? Lumping LSD into "recreational drugs"? Saying "they caused more harm than good overall ergo they are useless categorically"?

Who said anything about "turn your life around" or getting rich?

How about being well prepared about a psychedelic experience? How about doing it right?

Do you have any idea of the capacity of substances like LSD to facilitate self-acceptance, emotional grounding, auto-therapy? Do you know there's a burgeoning research field, indicating psychedelics to resolve or decrease anxiety? Have you tried it yourself?

All of what you say here is ignorant dogmatic folly.

 

[EditorOne]

"No, why would you do that? Don't fuck with your brain for the sake of a few moments of acting stupid. There are much better ways of getting "endlessly diverting effects that can really open your mind."

I'm not sure about the much better ways. However, my concern was more like making sure he was in a good car with a good driver and airbags for a fast ride down a winding road if he did indeed opt to go down that road, with a notation of possible good results. No one up to that point had addressed context as a way to mitigate possible bad effects.

I have not forgotten the allure of youthful experimentation. I have learned, though, to get out and measure the depth of the mud hole before driving into it for the sake of the splashing and sliding and roaring. Just passing along experience.

I think I mixed some driving metaphors, but the big picture should be clear, I hope.

 

[EditorOne]

"Otherwise, it's sad actually, this forum has been becoming more like INTP Central of six years ago. Used to be people here respected each other and their opinions, now, like there, it's becoming clannish and juvenile."


Yes. We are, after all, INTP. What's with all the drama? It is sufficient to have said you disagree with Architect, and why, without what came across, at least, as gratuitous vehemence.

 

[Analyzer]

Looks like the "War on Drugs" issue in public school propaganda has gotten to some.

 

[OmoInisa]

Yes. We are, after all, INTP. What's with all the drama? It is sufficient to have said you disagree with Architect, and why, without what came across, at least, as gratuitous vehemence.

Indeed. Though it's debatable whether "we're all INTP". My guess is that quite a few members take the Fi in them to be Ti.

 

[Grayman]

Indeed. Though it's debatable whether "we're all INTP". My guess is that quite a few members take the Fi in them to be Ti.

I usually blame my dog when I drop a real juicy fart. It is easy because it cannot or will not defend itself. Keeping INFPs around is like that too. They are so laid back and avoid confrontation.

Inferior Fe anyone?

 

[Lot]

I wanted to try but never got the chance. I assume most "LSD" sold now is not actually LSD. The alternative chemicals are scary enough that I'm very leery. I'm still months away from my year break from things of that nature. I don't have as much of a desire as I used to.

I still think about mescaline. I feel like that is a good first psych. Most people aren't willing to put in the time to make it, though. It's also not cheap enough to make a good profit, so drug makers don't make it often. I'm told LSD is similar to mescaline, but more intense and visual. They work on a similar mechanism to each other, but that can still cause a range of effects.

To EditorOne's point, I wouldn't say not to do it in public. Like it might be too intense, but that's really up to you. I loved being high in public. People look and act funny in ways that you never noticed before. I would say to start the trip somewhere you don't want to stay, and as you come up, make your way back to where you want to be. That way you have a goal to reach and it tends to make you feel more relaxed. Also keep a benzo or some beer of some sort around (kava kava is also a good choice). It's good safety insurance in case it starts to get too much to handle or you have trouble getting to sleep. Don't try to smoke weed to chill out. Weed almost always makes the trip get more visual and confusing. Smoking pot is the start to many bad trip stories. I like starting early, like around 10am-12pm. That way you've mostly come down by midnight and you can get a normal nights sleep.

 

[QuickTwist]

I feel like I am at a disadvantage when it comes to recreational drug use. I was pretty sheltered and later culture shocked and I was always recluse so I couldn't rebel fully from my parents upbringing. That said, the connections I have now are not exactly what I would call diverse. There is really only one guy I know who would know about this stuff. Ironically, I didn't talk to him for years but he recently sent me a friend request on facebook. I am debating to see where this leads and see if he can connect me to a regular hookup for some things.

 

[PmjPmj]

You can find anything you'd ever need on the dark web. Deep web. Dark net?

I (legitimately) don't really understand how it works. I mean, I do theoretically, but I've never actually explored it myself. However, I know a guy who frequents it and uses it to procure various drugs. Nothing hardcore - usually just controlled substances with the odd bit of LSD thrown in for good measure.

Point being, he purchases it from a place which is a lot like ebay. 'Store owners' set themselves up and flog their wares. People then give feedback on both seller and product. It's incredibly easy to find a reputable seller with A+ product.

That being said, good luck figuring fucking Bitcoins out. I took one look at the literature and noped the fuck out of there.

 

[QuickTwist]

I looked at folding and did it for like a week and a half and I was like "fuck this shit".

 

[PmjPmj]

Ha ha, yeah. I can see how that'd happen. Kudos for actually trying.

The aforementioned guy I know is Ti dominant. He was pouring over documentation pertaining to Bitcoin for ages. He knows it like the back of his bloody hand now - he has a lot of money because of some intelligent decisions he made. He wanted to get me in to it but, ugh.

Like I always say:

Ti = working out all the constituents; knows something inside-out and is quite passionate about knowledge for the sake of knowledge.

Te = bottom line it for me. No, really. I don't care about the details. Does it work? Good. Shut up and let's go.

 

[EditorOne]

Just a footnote: No one is required by custom, convention or law to try LSD or anything else. It is perfectly all right to eschew drugs.

 

[The Gopher]

Otherwise, it's sad actually, this forum has been becoming more like INTP Central of six years ago. Used to be people here respected each other and their opinions, now, like there, it's becoming clannish and juvenile. Seems to be inevitable, I've seen so many discussion forums go that way, now it's the time of INTPf. Probably enough is enough.

People lose patience. They might see the same people being in their mind "stupid" constantly and start to think every opinion they have that differs from their own is bad. Possibly they get less and less apologetic and stuck in their own opinions. A few might actually still re-evaluate and try and understand people but run into people who are objectively always wrong so they'll look like the aforementioned people. That said I don't think we should argue the moral high ground we all either contribute to or inadvertently cause the problem. There's a heap of other things as well but I can't be bothered to go into it.

I usually blame my dog when I drop a real juicy fart. It is easy because it cannot or will not defend itself. Keeping INFPs around is like that too. They are so laid back and avoid confrontation.

Inferior Fe anyone?

Yeah I second this. Fi is stupid as fuck 90% of the time in groups but individuals aren't generally that bad. Inferior Fe and Fi is worse because at least a trained Fi and Fe are under control so to speak.

(stops talking psychobabble that probably made sense)

 

[EyeSeeCold]

That being said, good luck figuring fucking Bitcoins out. I took one look at the literature and noped the fuck out of there.

What literature?

For anything legitimate bitcoins are probably a bit of a headache and not worth the accrued fees. I wouldn't put my money in any site that deals strictly in bitcoins since they're pretty much irretrievable once you send payment, easy for scammers to rip and run.

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@topic
I had the opportunity as well back in highschool but if I remember correctly they were asking for payment for a whole sheet and I just wanted to experience a single trip. Anyway it would have been through my friend's friend's dealer so that never materialized... But that friend was a psychonaut and tried that stuff at only age 14, weed lsd salvia in class he would typically be completely burned out just sitting on the floor not even doing shit. He was a bright kid though, I looked him up recently forgot what his occupation was but he seemed happy. He introduced me to psychedelic rock and classic rock and I thanked him for that.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Like I always say:

Ti = working out all the constituents; knows something inside-out and is quite passionate about knowledge for the sake of knowledge.

This applies to xSTP as well, people should know Ti isn't strictly a cerebral wordy erudite thing. xSTP's like to push themselves and master a particular hobby in a physical/mechanical sense.

 

[bvanevery]

My $0.02 is I've had acquaintances over the years who were heavy LSD users, and I have no desire to emulate their resultant physical or mental state at all. Stories of this stuff getting lodged in your spine didn't sound too good either.

I also saw a friend go on a bad trip one time, and that's definitely not something I need on my bucket list. Even pot did some bad things for me, like paranoia, not liking the feeling of being stoned, not being able to focus my way through the mental interference / forgetting what I was just doing, and harsh chemical feelings. So I ditched that and have had no desire to try anything stronger.

Tried a mushroom once and that was a much more organic experience. No side effects when it was over, it was just done. I'd be willing to do that again sometime, but it's not important to me to seek it out.

People I've known who have gotten hooked on coke, crack, or heroin were not doing themselves any favors with it and were pretty miserable people. They became rather boring when doing their drug too. Pot culture doesn't seem to be as destructive, but I don't like the stuff.

 

[Architect]

That's quite the accusation......... My opinion is that it would take a bit more to accomplish just that.

You're right, it's a distance from INTPc of old, but I do spot a trend.

I'm not sure about the much better ways. However, my concern was more like making sure he was in a good car with a good driver and airbags for a fast ride down a winding road if he did indeed opt to go down that road, with a notation of possible good results. No one up to that point had addressed context as a way to mitigate possible bad effects.

Yours was a good post.

Indeed. Though it's debatable whether "we're all INTP". My guess is that quite a few members take the Fi in them to be Ti.

I'd say immaturity over Fi maybe. INTP groups seem to get a lot of ISTP's who think they are INTP's but I don't think a lot of, say INFP's. Or maybe not even immaturity but Fe inferior - I've certainly struggled with the childishness of my emotions over the years.

 

[PmjPmj]

This applies to xSTP as well, people should know Ti isn't strictly a cerebral wordy erudite thing. xSTP's like to push themselves and master a particular hobby in a physical/mechanical sense.

Correct.

If I inferred that I was only referring to Ti within xNTPs, I apologise. I was in fact speaking of pure Ti and pure Te.

I know quite a few ISTPs. Love the buggers. So bloody clever with meatspace stuff.

 

[Grayman]

A stranger pops in to see all this MBTI lingo dingo debates and thinks wow thwmese people are really on acid.

If that's what happens when you take acid I dont want any part of it!