Sex Should Be Banned?

[PhoenixRising]

She's 26, not trying to shit stir here, just sayin'

Well, that is... kinda sad then.

 

[kora]

Well, that is... kinda sad then.

Personally, I call troll... It's too good to be true

 

[PhoenixRising]

Personally, I call troll... It's too good to be true

I dunno, I have a friend who is 28, still lives with her parents, and has the same attitude about sex. She's a really sweet lady, but she is definitely a fundamentalist. I just feel sorry for people like that I guess, they never do anything with their lives.

 

[kora]

I dunno, I have a friend who is 28, still lives with her parents, and has the same attitude about sex. She's a really sweet lady, but she is definitely a fundamentalist. I just feel sorry for people like that I guess, they never do anything with their lives.

Well, they probably feel sorry for us, we're doomed to hellfire that's much worse

 

[kora]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o

(I'm so sorry I just had to)

 

[intpz]

I just had sex in protest of this thread.

That's okay, you're married. Sex after marriage is okay, only premarital sex is wrong.

Thou shalt go to hell!

 

[Etheri]

Personally, I call troll... It's too good to be true

Never ever underestimate stupidity. To paraphrase a comedian : "Think about how dumb the avarage person is, then realise half of the people are even more stupid. It's a depressing thought!". I've considered this being a facade aswell, but I do honestly believe there are people much worse than this out there. (as PhoenixRising stated in their example)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQlIhraqL7o

(I'm so sorry I just had to)

I never expected to actually laugh on here, but this atleast made me smile.

only premarital sex is wrong.

Thou shalt go to hell!

If the sex is good enough, could it be worth it? Hell can't be all that bad, after all, god loves us!

 

[PhoenixRising]

Well, they probably feel sorry for us, we're doomed to hellfire that's much worse

lol, indeed. What heathens we be

 

[intpz]

If the sex is good enough, could it be worth it? Hell can't be all that bad, after all, god loves us!

The problem is, hell is ran by the devil, not by god.

Right, damn small resolution. Didn't see that on the side, had to use the scroll bar.

 

[Architect]

That's okay, you're married. Sex after marriage is okay, only premarital sex is wrong.

We had plenty of premarital sex too. Just not recently.

 

[Etheri]

We had plenty of premarital sex too. Just not recently.

Who wouldn't revise, practise and prepare for an important moment?

 

[PhoenixRising]

That video had actually crossed my mind... lol

I think this one's pretty funny as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLPZmPaHme0

 

[sammael]

Guys.

Guys listen.

I have the best idea

guys listen

I have the best idea ever

guys

lets ban SEX

guys

sex

lets ban SEX
guys listen here

lets ban SEX... outside of MARRIAGE.

Logic'd.

That's about as much thought as goes into it, although I'm sure the subjection and control of women comes up.

Saw this on facebook this morning, from Rational Hub:

Catz, as with any matter, it is nothing but sensible to consider the implications of such a viewpoint. Simply stating a subjective absolute will achieve nothing, for yourself and for others. Be, at least, open minded and prepared to question and explore. After all, if what you believe is so correct, questioning and exploration will only verify it.

Consider also, countries/societies where sexual activity outside of marriage is actually by law illegal, such as any of the islamic states/republics, where the primary basis for government is islamic religious law. Would you rather live in a society such as these?

 

[Architect]

Who wouldn't revise, practise and prepare for an important moment?

Obviously it's better to know how good the sex is before, rather than after.

 

[intpz]

We had plenty of premarital sex too. Just not recently.

Off to hell you go! When you die.



Well, sex before marriage is mandatory, and waiting for after it is irrational. You can wait say weeks, months if you want, but not until you're married.

In fact, I see marriage as a stupid thing. If you do share something and wanna be together, why not just be together, why get married? Don't you trust each other? If you don't, why are you together in the first place? Marriage is a religious ritual - a ritual! Why should we convey to ritualistic means? Aztecs were ritualistic: they used to hold a heart while it was still beating in the air!

I bet some people will see this as immature, but I am certain that some people will skip half of what I've written and instead will take the second half...

 

[kora]

Never ever underestimate stupidity. To paraphrase a comedian : "Think about how dumb the avarage person is, then realise half of the people are even more stupid. It's a depressing thought!". I've considered this being a facade aswell, but I do honestly believe there are people much worse than this out there. (as PhoenixRising stated in their example)

Eh, probably true to be honest...

 

[intpz]

It's certainly true, I live with at least one of them, and she's got quite a few friends with the same opinions... I've already written in some parents thread about my mom, but I'm gonna add something related to this now.

She believes that various objects have magical powers, they can enhance your abilities, help you, protect you, etc.. Stones for example. Believes in stars too. Believes that if you say something before it happens, it won't happen, etc.. About her... "conversation tactics" you can read in that thread, I'm too lazy to look for it, and I'm almost certain that nobody will read it anyway.

 

[Jennywocky]

Off to hell you go! When you die.

in god's (and Sarah Connor's) eternal gaze, we're all dead already.

In fact, I see marriage as a stupid thing. If you do share something and wanna be together, why not just be together, why get married? Don't you trust each other? If you don't, why are you together in the first place? Marriage is a religious ritual - a ritual! Why should we convey to ritualistic means? Aztecs were ritualistic: they used to hold a heart while it was still beating in the air!

I don't think the ritual is needed, but honestly, if I was getting remarried, I'd love wearing a ring that my partner gave to me, as a sign of our commitment. And vice versa. I'd like wearing his shirts. Just stuff that signifies we're together.

Note there that the commitment/love comes first, and the ring is just a sign of something that already exists... not something necessary that makes the relationship last.

 

[Hawkeye]

Marriage has financial benefits.

 

[intpz]

in god's (and Sarah Connor's) eternal gaze, we're all dead already.



I don't think the ritual is needed, but honestly, if I was getting remarried, I'd love wearing a ring that my partner gave to me, as a sign of our commitment. And vice versa. I'd like wearing his shirts. Just stuff that signifies we're together.

Note there that the commitment/love comes first, and the ring is just a sign of something that already exists... not something necessary that makes the relationship last.

Let's commit mass-suicide! Let's line up at the great canyon for god, and get ready to commit suicide. I will organize a bunch of T-shirts, national TV live stream (we'll have to hurry up, so the feds wouldn't show up), a mask and a chopper for myself so I could run away, maybe also a bunch of caps and those glasses with cameras in them. Let's stream the, how I call it "the fall camera," to a hard disk, and later upload the info through a bunch of proxies from an internet cafè to a dedicated site ran in cooperation with 4chan or The Pirate Bay with a bunch of ads. I bet we'd make ourselves millions of dollars! What say you? I bet we could find a lot of religious nuts who'd agree to this.

Yea, you can even gift each other rings with something written on them without the marriage... But that's a bit far-fetched, isn't it.

@Hawkeye another reason I wouldn't want to get married, I wouldn't own my own stuff. That especially sucks in case of a divorce.

 

[catatonic]

There there, I live alone, i don't live with my parents.

It's interesting that you guys see a person with strong believe about the abstinence and purity as irrational and trolling. I'm a muslim btw, and what I believe is called as faith.

 

[Jennywocky]

Let's commit mass-suicide! Let's line up at the great canyon for god, and get ready to commit suicide. I will organize a bunch of T-shirts, national TV live stream (we'll have to hurry up, so the feds wouldn't show up), a mask and a chopper for myself so I could run away, maybe also a bunch of caps and those glasses with cameras in them. Let's stream the, how I call it "the fall camera," to a hard disk, and later upload the info through a bunch of proxies from an internet cafè to a dedicated site ran in cooperation with 4chan or The Pirate Bay with a bunch of ads. I bet we'd make ourselves millions of dollars! What say you? I bet we could find a lot of religious nuts who'd agree to this.

That sounds great!

Because I love you guys so much, I'm willing to endure extra suffering by remaining alive long enough to collect and invest the money that we collect for our mass suicide and sneaker/product endorsements. I don't want to, I know how bad it will be for me, but I'm willing to do it for your spiritual edification and because I love you. All of you. (oooommmmmmmmm)

Yea, you can even gift each other rings with something written on them without the marriage... But that's a bit far-fetched, isn't it.

Sounds like what we did the first time.. except we had that pesky marriage attached.

Hawkeye another reason I wouldn't want to get married, I wouldn't own my own stuff. That especially sucks in case of a divorce.

yeah, that can be a problem. I'm fortunate -- we're both so different that neither of us really wants the other's stuff, and we are both pretty fair -- but with the wrong people, that would not be a pleasant experience. Bountiful love can lead to a depth of fury when sundered.

 

[intpz]

It's interesting that you guys see a person with strong believe about the abstinence and purity as irrational and trolling. I'm a muslim btw, and what I believe is called as faith.

That's the part of the definition of the word "faith" that says "strong belief in something completely irrational."

I realize that national beliefs are worth something to some people, but if you're rational, it shouldn't be worth anything to you, unless they are properly justified... Or in this case, if they CAN be justified.

Because I love you guys so much, I'm willing to endure extra suffering by remaining alive long enough to collect and invest the money that we collect for our mass suicide and sneaker/product endorsements. I don't want to, I know how bad it will be for me, but I'm willing to do it for your spiritual edification and because I love you. All of you. (oooommmmmmmmm)

Ain't that Buddhist sound? You won't get Buddhists to line up, Christians is what we need.

Well yea, a marriage with the wrong person, who either was pretending to be someone else really good, or is prone to such things, can be devastating.

 

[MrRightNow]

Hahaha

Banning sex, hmmm...
Might cause slight problems with the continuation of the human race. Also I strongly suspect violence and crime would rise rather sharply All that built up frustration...

Banning sex would mean less violence. Look at decadent western societies they are the most violent in the world and have the most sex. No no sex just encourage evils.

 

[catatonic]

That's the part of the definition of the word "faith" that says "strong belief in something completely irrational."

I realize that national beliefs are worth something to some people, but if you're rational, it shouldn't be worth anything to you, unless they are properly justified... Or in this case, if they CAN be justified.

Why do you think abstinence and purity as something completely irrational?

 

[Hawkeye]

Why do you think abstinence and purity as something completely irrational?

Without sex, you would not exist.

Purity is unattainable. Nobody is pure.

 

[MrRightNow]

Hey dude feel sorry for yourself spreading yo nasty all over the place and turning ladies into ho instead of trying to be a gentleman

 

[Lot]

Troll! http://youtu.be/oavMtUWDBTM Obvious troll is obvious

This thread really took off.

 

[Cognisant]

I didn't think she was serious

 

[MrRightNow]

This fine noble young lady is expressing her viewpoint and it doesn't make her a troll. Ya'll need to calm down and learn to refuse your little animal impulses to mate tis all she is sayin.

 

[catatonic]

I didn't think she was serious

I'm serious, why do you think I'm still virgin until now?

Spoiler

well maybe I'm ugly, but there are many people who are much more uglier than me

 

[Hawkeye]

I'm serious, why do you think I'm still virgin until now?

Spoiler

well maybe I'm ugly, but there are many people who are much more uglier than me

You could simply be non-sexual or celibate.

 

[Cognisant]

"fine noble young lady"

And speaking of animal impulses to mate...

 

[Lot]

I'm serious, why do you think I'm still virgin until now?

Spoiler

well maybe I'm ugly, but there are many people who are much more uglier than me

You don't have to impose your views on others if you have one view. I, like you, am a virgin in their mid 20's. Not cuz I'm ugly, but because of my religious views. In non-theistic world view, there is very little justification for not having sex before marriage. You're better off finding a new argument if you are that hard pressed to force your views.

I responded, which means I got trolled too.

 

[sammael]

Banning sex would mean less violence. Look at decadent western societies they are the most violent in the world and have the most sex. No no sex just encourage evils.

I'm sorry, but this is complete and utter bullshit. If you wish to make claims like this create a new thread and we'll discuss it rationally, and more importantly, with references and statistics.

Why do you think abstinence and purity as something completely irrational?

No one is (or should be anyway) bashing you for your own personal beliefs, you have every right to believe what you wish. That however, is not the issue here, the issue is that you have proposed an absolute; that all premarital sex is sin and evil. Your rationale for this is very shaky to put it gently, and has been addressed numerous times, none of which you have considered. It is not your beliefs that are irrational, it is the way you are claiming something that is so subjective as absolute, and not considering all the evidence to the contrary.

This fine noble young lady is expressing her viewpoint and it doesn't make her a troll. Ya'll need to calm down and learn to refuse your little animal impulses to mate tis all she is sayin.

The fact that she is not addressing any of the arguments against her stance and her closed and single mindedness is what makes people think she is a troll, not her expressing her viewpoint. Not one single reason has been provided for why people should refuse their 'animal impulses', if such is done in a safe, informed and consensual way, which everyone here and in civilized, educated and progressive society agrees is the only way it should be done.

 

[MrRightNow]

As kitty say sex it is bad for you right? wuts wrong wit you people?

 

[sammael]

As kitty say sex it is bad for you right? wuts wrong wit you people?

Heh... Ah, I did not pick up on the irony at first. Clever, good sir.

 

[intpz]

*coughs through the laughs* Hmmm... This rhymes! Cool.

P.S. This smile looks like a hippie, not like a cool dude.

 

[PhoenixRising]

Off to hell you go! When you die.



Well, sex before marriage is mandatory, and waiting for after it is irrational. You can wait say weeks, months if you want, but not until you're married.

In fact, I see marriage as a stupid thing. If you do share something and wanna be together, why not just be together, why get married? Don't you trust each other? If you don't, why are you together in the first place? Marriage is a religious ritual - a ritual! Why should we convey to ritualistic means? Aztecs were ritualistic: they used to hold a heart while it was still beating in the air!

I bet some people will see this as immature, but I am certain that some people will skip half of what I've written and instead will take the second half...

I agree 100%! Why don't more people see marriage like this? It's like everybody is brainwashed with this idea that marriage is something real and essential to the existence of humanity. It's a human ritual, it began when males wanted to own females as their property, why is modern society so obsessed with this primordial concept? It drives me nuts some times.

 

[Etheri]

I agree 100%! Why don't more people see marriage like this? It's like everybody is brainwashed with this idea that marriage is something real and essential to the existence of humanity. It's a human ritual, it began when males wanted to own females as their property, why is modern society so obsessed with this primordial concept? It drives me nuts some times.

To continue on the subject : Monogamy. We are 'monogamous' in the sense that we only need one partner at any given time. That being said, we fall in love more than once in our lives. While we're faithful to our partner as long as we're with them, we do not stay with them forever. It's pretty, sweet and all that stuff when people stay together their entire lives,but we'll probably all love more than one person. We shouldn't always leave our partners for a crush, but even then, we're not a truly monogamous species.

Marriage is not adept to 'breakups'. Why marry if it is (i'm sorry to say) logical to expect a divorce within time? Often, social ('for the children!') and financial reasons keep married couples together just as much as love does. I'm not saying there's no love, i'm saying there's rational reasons aswell as emotional ones. Also, I honestly think it's not bad to argue that these rational reasons keeping couples together is a good thing. Staying together for children is, in my opinion, a good reason.

While marriage is still an empty concept, no more than a token of something that is already expected and implied, it still prevents an easy breakup, which can be a good thing.

 

[catatonic]

I made a similar thread on the other forum.

There's a guy on that forum said that if someone already has a partner, and then he/she is having sex with another person, it's not cheating if they had sex without intimacy.

So, as long as your "love" is only for your partner, no matter how many times you have sex with the other persons while you're in a relationship, you're being faithful to your partner.

What kind of sorcery is that?

 

[Hawkeye]

I made a similar thread on the other forum.

There's a guy on that forum said that if someone already has a partner, and then he/she is having sex with another person, it's not cheating if they had sex without intimacy.

So, as long as your "love" is only for your partner, no matter how many times you have sex with the other persons while you're in a relationship, you're being faithful to your partner.

What kind of sorcery is that?

Friends with Benefits ^^

 

[snafupants]

I made a similar thread on the other forum.

There's a guy on that forum said that if someone already has a partner, and then he/she is having sex with another person, it's not cheating if they had sex without intimacy.

So, as long as your "love" is only for your partner, no matter how many times you have sex with the other persons while you're in a relationship, you're being faithful to your partner.

What kind of sorcery is that?

I suspect trolling but what's wrong with the occasional hanky-panky?

 

[ememisya]

He Blinded Me With Science: Are Serial Moms Chemically Hooked on Sex?

Sex can get you in jailed. (rape)
Sex can get you in troubled. (unwanted pregnancy)
Sex killed the innocence. (abortion)
Sex can get you killed. (death because of illegal abortion)
Sex can make you have horrible diseases. (Aids, gonorrhea, etc.)
Sex brings misery.
Sex is the most evil.


Be in abstinence,
Be in purity.
-Catz-

If you agree to the above, I'm guessing you really love food. Like a lot. All that energy has got to go somewhere.

 

[kora]

If you agree to the above, I'm guessing you really love food. Like a lot. All that energy has got to go somewhere.

Or fight clubs.

 

[ememisya]

I made a similar thread on the other forum.

There's a guy on that forum said that if someone already has a partner, and then he/she is having sex with another person, it's not cheating if they had sex without intimacy.

So, as long as your "love" is only for your partner, no matter how many times you have sex with the other persons while you're in a relationship, you're being faithful to your partner.

What kind of sorcery is that?

The traditional "love" is addiction to a single person. Sex is the act which seems to help that along.

Those people think of marriage like a job, and it's in fact quite practical now that I think about it. I can do a side project for another company and still be married to my current job, although I admit the current place I work for considers that cheating (funny that one), the act of sex in and of itself is simply making 2 parties feel better. You know, solves out those differences pretty quickly.

So yea, if 1 side is jealous, it's cheating. If they care not, it's not. Rest is preconceived social biases.

 

[Proletar]

@higs: Rule nr 1: Do not talk about fight clubs.


Of course this is ridiculous. Everything can be abused at some degree. Some things more than others. All it takes is for them to fulfill a need in us, and sex is a pretty basic need. Sure it can lead to damages, but maybe keeping the government out of peoples bedrooms and letting stuff play out naturally is kind of the best answer here? Sort of like (exactly like) harm reduction.

"Hey, I have a great idea. Alcohol is bad for people, so let's declare prohibition! All in favour?"

 

[ememisya]

Or fight clubs.

You do have a brilliant point there. Folks need an outlet. Sex is sinful and violence is illegal. Violent sex, NOW THAT! that, is actually pretty cool.

 

[ememisya]

"Hey, I have a great idea. Alcohol is bad for people, so let's declare prohibition! All in favour?"

I don't know, do I get to sell the same whiskey I am now for 4x the profit in black markets now that it's illegal? I'd lobby that.

 

[intpz]

If you agree to the above, I'm guessing you really love food. Like a lot. All that energy has got to go somewhere.

I like food, I disagree. You're wrong! *points a finger at him*