Sex Should Be Banned?

[ememisya]

I like food, I disagree. You're wrong! *points a finger at him*

^_^ I'd be mean, but I'm not going to. You're too nice. Instead I vote for

 

[intpz]

Your avatar is mean enough.

 

[redbaron]

I find it interesting that you describe yourself as ugly and unattractive.

Seems to me that your belief in abstinence is a rationalization of your inability (real or imagined) to attract a partner and have sex.

In the end it is easier to rationalize your abstinence by criticizing sex, than to admit that you can't find anyone who wants to have sex with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

 

[intpz]

Here's a somewhat related thought: have you ever noticed that the women who are against abortions and for abstinence are the women that you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place?

 

[redbaron]

Here's a somewhat related thought: have you ever noticed that the women who are against abortions and for abstinence are the women that you wouldn't wanna fuck in the first place?

Ok George Carlin.

 

[Etheri]

Ok George Carlin.

Still love that guy.

 

[intpz]

Ok George Carlin.

Have a link to this? I just thought of it.

 

[Etheri]

Have a link to this? I just thought of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15OS2PdCKo

 

[ememisya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w15OS2PdCKo

Pesci rest his soul.

 

[intpz]

@Etheri that's a good one. When I get my system back up to speed, I'm gonna look for more of his stuff.

 

[MichiganJFrog]

Not sure if anybody's brought up these guys yet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakers


They tried the whole banning sex thing. Didn't work out so good. Nice furniture, though.

 

[intpz]

Well... That explains why it didn't work out so well - they didn't fuck to make more stupid fucks!

"Religious Society of Friends" - sounds like Soviet Russia...

 

[MichiganJFrog]

Well... That explains why it didn't work out so well - they didn't fuck to make more stupid fucks!

"Religious Society of Friends" - sounds like Soviet Russia...

Yeah, there was a totalitarian vibe there.

Can't help it, your post makes me think of this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9OCA4FwSqs

 

[HDINTP]

Marriage has financial benefits.

It depends which side of the coin you are.

 

[intpz]

Damnit! *bookmarks 2nd video*, they are real slow at the moment for me...

 

[Hawkeye]

It depends which side of the coin you are.

indeed, but there are also tax benefits.

 

[snafupants]

All forms of sex should be banned along with air, water, rock music, exercise, talk, suggestive outfits, video games, and dancing. Especially dancing, that's the devil's most seductive enticement to sin and turpitude.

 

[Etheri]

@Etheri that's a good one. When I get my system back up to speed, I'm gonna look for more of his stuff.

-pets-

All forms of sex should be banned along with air, water, rock music, exercise, talk, suggestive outfits, video games, and dancing. Especially dancing, that's the devil's most seductive enticement to sin and turpitude.

If we ban life, once life itself is gone we have a planet without sin.

 

[intpz]

All forms of sex should be banned along with air, water, rock music, exercise, talk, suggestive outfits, video games, and dancing. Especially dancing, that's the devil's most seductive enticement to sin and turpitude.

Rephrase "rock music" as follows: any music that contains something even remotely close to inappropriate in any context OR contains sharp noises.

You've also forgot to mention kissing, holding hands, touching each other if you are of different sexes (does the bible say anything about gay sex? ), any words that are even remotely close to inappropriate in someone's understanding.

We should also enforce prayer and throw the people who don't pray and can't tell you 26 prayers when awaken in the midnight. And speaking of midnight, bed by 8, wake up at 4, after you wake up, you must devote an hour to the god by praying.

The church officials can enforce any other laws that they see fit without prior notice or in special cases.

If you violate any of these laws, you will be put in a special torture device that fixes your hands and head and whipped 20 to 200 times (or more if the church officials see fit) in the city square. If your crime is really big (such as looking at the opposite sex inappropriately), you will be put on a cross for a period of time of one to seven days. If you survive, you may be whipped after you are given Christ's body and Christ's blood (wine to get drunk and some piece of shit cookie). And thou shalt burn in hell!

 

[HDINTP]

He Blinded Me With Science: Are Serial Moms Chemically Hooked on Sex?

Sex can get you in jailed. (rape)
Sex can get you in troubled. (unwanted pregnancy)
Sex killed the innocence. (abortion)
Sex can get you killed. (death because of illegal abortion)
Sex can make you have horrible diseases. (Aids, gonorrhea, etc.)
Sex brings misery.
Sex is the most evil.


Be in abstinence,
Be in purity.
-Catz-

Of course sex should be banned. You like to be alone don't you? I mean come on how many clones do you want? And what about virtual sex and here it is just evil left.

 

[kora]

Rephrase "rock music" as follows: any music that contains something even remotely close to inappropriate in any context OR contains sharp noises.

You've also forgot to mention kissing, holding hands, touching each other if you are of different sexes (does the bible say anything about gay sex? ), any words that are even remotely close to inappropriate in someone's understanding.

We should also enforce prayer and throw the people who don't pray and can't tell you 26 prayers when awaken in the midnight. And speaking of midnight, bed by 8, wake up at 4, after you wake up, you must devote an hour to the god by praying.

The church officials can enforce any other laws that they see fit without prior notice or in special cases.

If you violate any of these laws, you will be put in a special torture device that fixes your hands and head and whipped 20 to 200 times (or more if the church officials see fit) in the city square. If your crime is really big (such as looking at the opposite sex inappropriately), you will be put on a cross for a period of time of one to seven days. If you survive, you may be whipped after you are given Christ's body and Christ's blood (wine to get drunk and some piece of shit cookie). And thou shalt burn in hell!

I think it's safe' to say we've lost the OP

 

[catatonic]

I find it interesting that you describe yourself as ugly and unattractive.

Seems to me that your belief in abstinence is a rationalization of your inability (real or imagined) to attract a partner and have sex.

In the end it is easier to rationalize your abstinence by criticizing sex, than to admit that you can't find anyone who wants to have sex with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Meh, do I have to send you my pics?

I'd been in 13 relationships before and I stick to my abstinence and purity.

 

[kora]

Then again maybe not

 

[catatonic]

Of course sex should be banned. You like to be alone don't you? I mean come on how many clones do you want? And what about virtual sex and here it is just evil left.

Wow are you a psychic?
I'm a lil bit bitter and jaded, but I'm still dating a guy though.

 

[Etheri]

I think it's safe' to say we've lost the OP

Meh, do I have to send you my pics?

I'd been in 13 relationships before and I stick to my abstinence and purity.

We refound OP.

What age did you start those 13 relationships, what age are you now, and howmany were 'serious'? (If you don't mind me asking!)

 

[catatonic]

Well actually only 2 of those were "serious", the rest were because I'm bored. I'm the type of girl who can't really alone for long time. I started to date a guy when I was 14, I'm 26 now. The 2 serious relationships were last more than 2 years, one of them almost marry me. Is it really weird if a girl with "priss" reputation actually as pure as snow?

It's not really weird if you come from a strong catholic or muslim background.

 

[kantor1003]

Catatonic, you seem weird and I find you very amusing I especially like the way you have replied to what would seem like pretty harsh critiques of your views. Usually, if someone has a moral belief, or a conviction seemingly as strong as yours, normal procedure would be to respond with more hostility towards attacks (especially attacks of such vigor as demonstrated several times in this thread) against it. You don't, which makes me think you're either a troll, or, if not, a pretty intriguing character!
You, of all people, I would have expected to be pretty easy going in sexual matters. What's wrong with spreading your legs every once in a while and have a little fun?
You'll site me, in response, like the sweet thing you are, all the potential negatives, but hey! it could actually be a positive experience you know! Sure, one could say that about heroin as well, but let's be honest, the future outlook of someone with a regular, healthy sex life is far better than for those putting needles in their arms. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't almost identical to the average life span of human beings, if not longer! After all, why put a needle in your arm if you can put a penis into a... or, insert a needle into your arm if you can insert a...
(you'll have to excuse my humor. I'm in an odd mood today)

 

[catatonic]

My buddy is an INTP, he has a very good ability to insult people directly or in hardcore passive-aggressive, but I can made him become an EMO.
I kind of dating an INTP too now, so I know how to behave around the INTPs.
There's an INTP said that the MBTI type that can make him become an EMO are the xNTJs.


It's weird that I scored 100% T in the MBTI test, but I guess most of you think that I'm definitely an F because I'm so into the "values" in this thread. Maybe because there's no question about sex on the test.


Anyway, something that interesting and exciting to do will be less interesting and exciting again if you can do it anytime with anyone you want.

1. I'd been raised in a religious family.
2. I don't want to give my self to random guys I dated.
3. I want to give the best of me to a guy who really loves me.

I'm bitter and jaded, from so many guys I'd been with, apparently none of them wants to fight for me. So, I save it for my precious, the one who will always be with me till death do us apart.

Peace.

 

[redbaron]

Honestly I thought you were maybe fifteen, no older than seventeen. This just crossed from the realm of emotional immaturity into pathetic.

Is abstinence common where you live, or do you live in a cloister?

 

[snafupants]

My buddy is an INTP, he has a very good ability to insult people directly or in hardcore passive-aggressive, but I can made him become an EMO.
I kind of dating an INTP too now, so I know how to behave around the INTPs.
There's an INTP said that the MBTI type that can make him become an EMO are the xNTJs.


It's weird that I scored 100% T in the MBTI test, but I guess most of you think that I'm definitely an F because I'm so into the "values" in this thread. Maybe because there's no question about sex on the test.


Anyway, something that interesting and exciting to do will be less interesting and exciting again if you can do it anytime with anyone you want.

1. I'd been raised in a religious family.
2. I don't want to give my self to random guys I dated.
3. I want to give the best of me to a guy who really loves me.

I'm bitter and jaded, from so many guys I'd been with, apparently none of them wants to fight for me. So, I save it for my precious, the one who will always be with me till death do us apart.

Peace.

I still suspect trolling or mental retardation but this whole fascination with the body thing seems markedly egotistical.

 

[HDINTP]

Wow are you a psychic?
I'm a lil bit bitter and jaded, but I'm still dating a guy though.

Not yet.
So now you can be sweet and energetic can't you?

 

[redbaron]

3. I want to give the best of me to a guy who really loves me.

The best of you being someone who's had no practice having sex, doesn't know what/how they like sex and won't have any clue how to show the other guy?

You know, the whole virgin thing kind of loses its appeal and turns into being just plain weird as you get older.

So if that's one of your motivations you may as well cross it off the list, because holding out on sex now isn't going to do 'guy who really loves you' any favours when it comes to the bedroom in the future.

 

[Etheri]

Well actually only 2 of those were "serious", the rest were because I'm bored. I'm the type of girl who can't really alone for long time. I started to date a guy when I was 14, I'm 26 now. The 2 serious relationships were last more than 2 years, one of them almost marry me. Is it really weird if a girl with "priss" reputation actually as pure as snow?

Nope. Is it weird for a boy with the reputation of being 'foreveralone' to be full of sin?
In a way this makes sense. If you date people simply because you're bored, I can imagine not wanting to have sex with them right away. (I'd still have sex with them right away, but i'm immoral after all.)

It's weird that I scored 100% T in the MBTI test, but I guess most of you think that I'm definitely an F because I'm so into the "values" in this thread. Maybe because there's no question about sex on the test.

You keep bringing up your environment, your upbringing, it being normal from that point of view. To a rational thinker, this argument is void. I'm sure we all had 'values' and 'morals' during our upbringing, as well as thousands of other things they told us to do and not to do.

To me, part of being a rational means that you question these things. You question if they're true, you're question why people tell you this. You seek reasons. If you can rationally explain things and find they're good advice, you accept it. If you don't find strong, rational arguments in favour of the advice, you keep the thoughts in mind but forget the advice as a whole. Everything people tell you to do, or not to do, it's just guidelines. It's for you to choose whether you'll stick to them or not.

"The code is more like guidelines than actual rules" - Pirates of the caribbean.

Anyway, something that interesting and exciting to do will be less interesting and exciting again if you can do it anytime with anyone you want.

1. I'd been raised in a religious family.
2. I don't want to give my self to random guys I dated.
3. I want to give the best of me to a guy who really loves me.

From what i've heard so far, 1 2 and 3 are actually exactly the same. I dare bet that 2 and 3 are the reasons your religious family gave you during your upbringing as to why not to have sex before marriage (1).
Now, i'll admit that sex, as everything else, loses it's rush over time. Especially with the same person. It remains great, but you don't get the same adrenaline as your very first time.

As far as fighting goes, I don't like fighting. I don't fight for girls, I respect their choices, opinions and decisions. I'm sure i'd make a terrible husband.

 

[kora]

3. I want to give the best of me to a guy who really loves me.

I'm bitter and jaded, from so many guys I'd been with, apparently none of them wants to fight for me. So, I save it for my precious, the one who will always be with me till death do us apart.

Peace.

Sex is the best part of you? You must not have very high self-esteem.
I really don't get the whole "purity/virginity is so precious thing". It's just an act, your body is not changed. I don't understand why for women it seems to equal losing a limb or whatever, it's just remnants of a sexist society where women weren't in control of their own bodies and the most important thing about them was their vagina and womb.

How is your body better when it's "pure" than when it's not ? What's the difference?

that angel smiley is really starting to look annoying, wait I got this:

 

[kora]

Oh, and I'm absolutely not saying that everyone should have sex always , all the time, everywhere by the way, if you don't feel comfortable or whatever that's fine, I'm just saying that if you do want to, it shouldn't be a big deal...

 

[Etheri]

How is your body better when it's "pure" than when it's not ? What's the difference?

As long as it's pure, it doesn't know what it's missing out on by abstinence.

Before, it is curiosity, after it becomes... desire?

When we're honest, sex is a queer thing. The exchange of bodily fluids, the things you do (and oh god, the things you say!) The way it all works. The feel, the smell, it's all somewhat, weird? Not to mention any weird fetishes.

If it wasn't for that chemical coctail shot into your brain, it wouldn't be quite so much fun. But hey, we're all drug addicts and there's no such thing as rehab. How would we resist? Or more importantly, why would we resist?

 

[intpz]

I'd been in 13 relationships before and I stick to my abstinence and purity.

That figures.

Well actually only 2 of those were "serious", the rest were because I'm bored. I'm the type of girl who can't really alone for long time. I started to date a guy when I was 14, I'm 26 now. The 2 serious relationships were last more than 2 years, one of them almost marry me. Is it really weird if a girl with "priss" reputation actually as pure as snow?

It's not really weird if you come from a strong catholic or muslim background.

A boyfriend-girlfriend SERIOUS relationship for 2 years and no sex? The dude must've been asexual, or fucking someone else, or didn't consider you his girlfriend, or had other problems. And you... Well, you're just... Odd? No sex until marriage.

Girlfriend = sex + friend
Friend = no sex + friend

By the way, IF you will find a guy who will agree to DATE you for 3 years, then marry you before having sex AND not date anyone else during that period of time, he most likely hasn't tried sex yet. If he hasn't tried sex, how do you know if he won't like fetish: bondage, pissing on you, other shit like that? He doesn't know that, you don't know that. I don't think GOD would condone such behavior, do you? What if he forced you to bondage during sex? What if he'd assume that you want him to piss on you? You would both go to HELL!

 

[Etheri]

Girlfriend = sex + friend
Friend = no sex + friend

I love maths, I hate your equations. That being said, lets play for my own entertainment.

sex = girlfriend - friend = girl => sex = girl. (1)
no sex = friend - friend = 0 = void. => no sex = void (2)

substitute 1 into 2
leading to : no girl = void
Implying, in my current situation, ... void D;

Anyways, the equations and thus solutions derrived from them are absolutely awful. I'm sorry to say, but if that is your distinction between friends and relationships, then even I can have a decent relationship.

 

[Jennywocky]

I still suspect trolling or mental retardation but this whole fascination with the body thing seems markedly egotistical.

Why? I have similar kinds of feelings; some people seem to be fine with having sex with anyone, but for me it's more personal, and i like it to mean something. If you feel differently, that fine; it's just one of my personal quirks. (It doesn't mean I won't have sex if I'm not married, I just feel more comfortable with someone I care about and vice versa, not just casual dating.)

Then again, I was raised in those fun religious environments and my subculture was crazy-insane to the edge on that, I felt pretty liberal just by holding the above view where I don't think marriage is necessary.

 

[crippli]

Thinking about sex while dating is unpure
Thinking about dating while having sex is unpure
Thinking about sex while having sex is pure
Thinking about dating while dating is pure

It's really simple actually

 

[intpz]

Anyways, the equations and thus solutions derrived from them are absolutely awful. I'm sorry to say, but if that is your distinction between friends and relationships, then even I can have a decent relationship.

"A friend" to most people is just some guy they say "hi" from time to time. To me it means someone who cares about me, to who I can talk about anything. The latter condition implies that intelligence AND a lot more is required.

Why? I have similar kinds of feelings; some people seem to be fine with having sex with anyone, but for me it's more personal, and i like it to mean something. If you feel differently, that fine; it's just one of my personal quirks. (It doesn't mean I won't have sex if I'm not married, I just feel more comfortable with someone I care about and vice versa, not just casual dating.)

Then again, I was raised in those fun religious environments and my subculture was crazy-insane to the edge on that, I felt pretty liberal just by holding the above view where I don't think marriage is necessary.

Well your situation is different. She's taking it to the extreme - no sex before marriage. You simply say no sex with random people. Personally, I'm perfectly find with your mentality, and I believe most (all?) people around here don't have a problem with it.

 

[redbaron]

I have no problem with someone choosing abstinence.

I have a problem with the specific reasons being given for choosing abstinence.

@Jennywocky yours isn't a rare point of view at all - even among younger women with little to no religious upbringing these days, at least where I live.

Sex with someone that you know is 10x better than most one night stands anyway.

 

[ememisya]

Oh, and I'm absolutely not saying that everyone should have sex always , all the time, everywhere by the way, if you don't feel comfortable or whatever that's fine, I'm just saying that if you do want to, it shouldn't be a big deal...

I wholeheartedly agree. I don't mean sex doesn't invoke certain feelings of attachment, but so does ice cream. Certainly more involved than ice cream, but I would hate to think genitals make a person.

And now some cool emoticons for no reason:

 

[ememisya]

Sex with someone that you know is 10x better than most one night stands anyway.

Lol agreed, the first time I've encountered a random girl in a party we started talking, played beer pong, cards and later when the party calmed down and people started leaving she sat on my lap and passed out and I was like ... but ... but ... okay I go home. In my head I was thinking, "Well that sucked, it's like going to a concert and them announcing, ARE YOU READY TO ROCK?!?! Crowd cheers YEEAAAAAAA! Well guess what! Power outage!" ... aaa ... awwww. Alcohol disappoints.

And I would be a liar if I said I completely got over my first ex

I think some people eat hot peppers, get burned from it, and drink water. Others eat even more hot peppers to get used to the pain.

 

[kantor1003]

I think some people eat hot peppers, get burned from it, and drink water. Others eat even more hot peppers to get used to the pain.

Well, yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhSWlXSNypk

 

[7even]

How about we all become lovers and worshipers of Big Brother? '1984'

This way sex would only be our duty to the party.

 

[intpz]

I'd worship the Moon before the Big Brother.

 

[Teohrn]

Are you joking or are you serious? (Or neither e.g. trolling?) If the standard of argument is that low then you can make the argument for making everything illegal.

Should existence be banned?

Existence can get you in jail (you would have to exist to get in jail).
Existence leads to death (unless you are immortal).
Existence leads to sex (often, not always).
Existence leads to murder (in some cases).
Without existence there is no sin or injustice (how could there?).
Without existence, existence won't be banned (obviously).
And so on...

The point is that you can't escape everything that might have negative consequences. There is always a chance (albeit incredibly small) that something bad will happen to you. Why let that minuscule possibility rule your life? By avoiding these possibilities by abstaining from life itself you are also avoiding everything that is good in life. Fact is that sex generally leads to more good than evil. Unless you believe that sex is inherently evil.

I could agree with you on how society cares for little less than short-term pleasure, and the earthly and superficial pleasure, while not caring for something beyond that which is more meaningful. Indulgence simply makes things lose part of their deeper value. Although that's not an argument for abstinence but moderation. We are not much different from animals at this rate. There is a plot and a setting yet there is no theme. However, I don't know if you ever intended to make such a point, although I imagined that it could have been relevant. It is to me.

Something I find ironic is that overprotection of oneself and others (f.e. of your children) more often than not leads to much more negative effects than not avoiding life. Abstinence, overprotection, etc. are essentially contradictory to its purpose.

Note that I don't target abstinence from sex specifically, I'm also thinking of living a life of avoidance in general.

Calling for a ban of everything you disagree with is rather despicable. Speaking of these types of matters in general, those who don't find sex f.e. acceptable don't have to have sex but it shouldn't affect those who don't disagree with them. Negatives shouldn't affect positives. That sex is legal doesn't affect you or anyone else, making sex illegal affects others very much however.

Rape is as far as I know illegal, btw. It still happens even though sex is legal. Making sex illegal would probably even make rape cases much more abundant than they are. Legislation is often a very bad solution for a problem. Legislation is often proposed as a solution (and sometimes followed through) for things that are not a problem to begin with.

I find it interesting that you describe yourself as ugly and unattractive.

Seems to me that your belief in abstinence is a rationalization of your inability (real or imagined) to attract a partner and have sex.

In the end it is easier to rationalize your abstinence by criticizing sex, than to admit that you can't find anyone who wants to have sex with you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance

Pretty much. Actually, going through forums, getting to know users, etc. I have understood that many of the views people have are often simply ways for people to rationalize their own imperfections, irrationality or any situation they may be in.

 

[Particle]

Premarital sex. Now that's an interesting one. I'll just marry the girls I wanna sleep with, then? (Vegas style!) Or would that still be a sin? I'm married tho, even if only for a few weeks / months. What makes you think your arguments in favour / against sex only apply to premarital sex? Why is sex after mariage any diffrent?

Since I think this discussion is from the point of view of how the Catholic belief system works, I'll discuss that in the following text. When it comes to the Catholic concept of marriage your scenario wouldn't satisfy its prerequisites. You can only ever be married once, legitimately. Divorce isn't a recognized concept.

Annulment is probably the closest thing that does exist, but it isn't fully analogous to divorce. A divorce declares that you were married but no longer are. Annulment declares that due to some technical fault you were never actually/properly married in the first place. Annulment can only be granted if there was a fault in the original marriage ritual. A fault as it matters in this case would be something like omitting or improperly performing one of the required steps.

If you were aware that you weren't actually married the whole time, you've just been having premarital relations and are accountable for it. If you weren't, you're off the hook since to qualify as a sin an action has to have been both committed willingly and with knowledge of it being an offense.

As a final note, being married in Vegas wouldn't matter anyway. You would have to be wed in a legitimate Catholic ceremony. Legal declaration via certificate would bear no authority.

---

Recognize that I'm just answering your question; I'm not telling you this is how you should live your life.

 

[Fukyo]

I am banning catatonic for admitting that she trolls this board, with all this be in purity, be in abstinence jazz, and probably the rest of her persona.
She expected it and I don't think she will miss this place as she has other hunting grounds. (not to mention she probably has duplicate accounts, as she does on that other site); I think she came here with the intention of trolling, so with that in mind...