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Recreational drug use/experimentation

What drugs have you used/experimented with recreationally?

  • None

    Votes: 36 13.3%
  • Caffeine

    Votes: 211 77.9%
  • Alcohol

    Votes: 205 75.6%
  • Tobacco

    Votes: 166 61.3%
  • Cannabis, Hashish

    Votes: 183 67.5%
  • Hallucinogens(LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote etc.)

    Votes: 116 42.8%
  • MDMA(ecstasy)

    Votes: 70 25.8%
  • Amphetamine(speed)

    Votes: 76 28.0%
  • Cocaine

    Votes: 62 22.9%
  • Raw opium

    Votes: 16 5.9%
  • Opiates(Heroin, Oxycontin, morphine, etc)

    Votes: 58 21.4%
  • Deliriant drugs(Datura etc)

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Depressants(Benzodiazepines etc)

    Votes: 51 18.8%
  • Dissociative drugs(DXM, Ketamine, etc)

    Votes: 53 19.6%

  • Total voters
    271

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I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from in terms of the Phaliaris arundinacea, specifically: "the cost of extraction as consistently portrayed in various and sundry .pdfs" :confused:

I was more or less concerned about the 5meo-DMT and partially the mipt as opposed to the dipt. I'm not as specific about the binding sites as you are (and as I should be)

McKenna did in fact recommend large doses infrequently, but I have also read that small, more frequent (but still not frequent) doses provide better results. In here somewhere it says that the user builds a "threshold" and only through multiple experimentations can one know where their threshold lies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushrooms
And of course, my beloved Erowid

That's psilocybin, though, so there are probably some differences.
 
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I can attest with personal experience that if one experiences a truly euphoric state through drugs, I cannot overstate their impact on the rest of your life.

Have you experienced a truly euphoric state? If so, when/on what?

I've personally experienced extremely euphoric hypnagogic states after nothing but mere manual labor and sleep deprivation.

Also, re: pot, some past input from snowqueen (which is why I'll never try weed):

http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=94013&postcount=61
 
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I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from

Something close to the nebulous phrases "keys to the castle" and "organic chemistry".

I was more or less concerned about the 5meo-DMT and partially the mipt as opposed to the dipt. Why? What specifically draws the concern?

My strategy with psychedelics would be say... perhaps shrooms --> LSD --> DMT. I don't plan to become a reg, per se.

But for me the first issue is the proposed micro-dosing for PTSD, which must then be factored into anything else that enters the picture via brain and body chemistry.
 

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Have you experienced a truly euphoric state? If so, when/on what?

I've personally experienced extremely euphoric hypnagogic states after nothing but mere manual labor and sleep deprivation.

Also, re: pot, some past input from snowqueen (which is why I'll never try weed):

http://www.intpforum.com/showpost.php?p=94013&postcount=61

Yes, I have. To be honest, many of my most intricate thoughts blossom when I am under the influence of weed. It allows me to seclude myself from the outside world and let my mind really work things over. My problem is that after I have my ideas, I struggle to explain their complexity in any sort of meaningful form... and this is long after I smoke (which is what I'm trying to work on now). I don't know if this is a trait of my MBTI or simply someting I need to work on; another reason why I am interested in both expansion of the mind and Jung typology.

As for her post, I cannot disagree with what she says. I have no problem with somebody's differing opinion, as long as it is well thought out and reasonably well explained:p

Anyway, to reiterate on my thoughts ^^ I'm not saying that because I smoke, thoughts come about in my head. But, because I am CONSTANTLY in contact with a human being due to my living conditions/ duties that one has while in a relationship, it allows me to become isolated without being distracted. I can sit in the corner of the room and be oblivious to what's happening around me and not care about it - because I'm so immersed in my own thoughts. I intentionally seclude myself because it's something that I need to do; this is the only effective solution I have found, given my current circumstances.:smoker:
 

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My strategy with psychedelics would be say... perhaps shrooms --> LSD --> DMT. I don't plan to become a reg, per se.

But for me the first issue is the proposed micro-dosing for PTSD, which must then be factored into anything else that enters the picture via brain and body chemistry.

As for my issue with 5meo-DMT; I was under the false assumption that you were going start out with this calibre of drug... which is why I was nervous for you. I just didn't want anyone's first experience with a psychedelic to be one so incredibly powerful; imagine if you didn't like it! So, I apologize for the misconceptions that I created in my own head. It probably would have been wiser to ask your plan before going off on a tangent :D
 

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No racetams on this list? That's what I've been doing recently. Awesome stuff.
 

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No racetams on this list? That's what I've been doing recently. Awesome stuff.

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly IS a racetam? More specifically; what does it do, and how would I know if I had one? :confused:
 

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Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly IS a racetam? More specifically; what does it do, and how would I know if I had one? :confused:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racetam

Never had them myself and don't know the effects.

My recreational street drug days are mostly over. My prescribed drug days have gone from oxy to tramadol :mad: along with gabapentin, diclofenac, tizanadine and hydroxizine (anti-histamine) and a few others that don't have any cautions about operating heavy machinery. They do at least get me out of bed in the morning.
 

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Too often with the stigma and fear surrounding drug use, we see sickness like abuse, addiction, hell, death, pain, as a result from a lot of misuse. Terence would stress the importance, until we can come up with a respectable language to talk about these "drugs", these plants, chemicals, TOOLS we wont be able to truly understand the profoundness and positive uses for these sorts of entheogens.

Why these variants? My main concern is for the mipt version. I would argue that any variant strain (including straight up 5-meo-DMT) would be less... pleasant than N-N-DMT. Not only is it the most tested, but it seems to me that it would be a more pleasant experience. Just throw me a bone and read these:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/5meo_dmt/5meo_dmt_article1.shtml
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2004-07-22/music/just-say-no/2/

As opposed to N-N-DMT:
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_journal1.shtml
As well as McKenna's infamous machine elves, etc.

Note that the first erowid article explicitely states that 5-Meo-DMT and N-N-DMT do not produce similar trips. 5meo is MUCH more intense (and that's saying something) and should be handled with extreme caution. As personal experience from the psychadelic effects of yes, marijuana, I can say with absolute certainty that experiencing the effects of ANY DMT variant could very easily (and in many cases does) cause a life-changing experience. Now, this isn't to say that that's a bad thing, but I'll just say that a less potent experience would seem to be ideal (again, this is my opinion).

What I'm trying to say is that messing with ANY recreational drug needs to be done with caution. Given your lack of experience with any other drug (besides medication, alcohol, and caffeine), I would be hesitant to dive headfirst into psychedelics, ESPECIALLY considering these are widely acknowledged as the most intense and difficult ones to deal with.

Your thoughts?

As Huxley once said, "The man who comes back through the Door in the Wall will never be quite the same as the man who went out"... I think this is the point with psychedelics.

Its interesting, when we begin to look at the special category of hallucinogens, sort of the heavy hitters that we all have heard about...the tryptamine hallucinogens, that’s where I personally feel the most comfortable (DMT,Psilocybin). I've stayed away from the chemical variants that have come to pass over time...there are certain guidelines I like to follow...is it safe? what is its relationship to the existing neurotransmitter soup I have in my head ? is there a historical presence of human usage over time?...As Mckenna put it, psychedelic sophistication doesn't come in the form of trying out everything under the sun, as many times as you can, getting loaded up hitting the raves with a group of friends...it comes with finding what works best for yourself, and then really putting the pedal to the medal :D

Psilocybin and DMT will have profound effects. Given the societal stigmas and availability issues with most of these chemicals, there hasnt been an honest attempt to create an environment for psychedelics to grow. Its like this, you give a child a power tool and ask him to build a house...much alike psychedelic could act as a tool for building your own self, you probably would expect that child to not be able to figure out where to even start, theres a great chance that child would also end up just hurting themselves. But you give that child time to practice, to learn what to expect to, figure out what exactly this majesty and wonder truly is, and you can expect that child to eventually be able to put together a pretty damned nice cabin for you to live in. Psychedelics are powerful tools, there is no question. Responsible usage, education, a sound mind, and the curiosity for exploration and growth.


My question for you is: what psychedelic would you reccomend for first-timers? I have next to no experience with any psychedelic compound (other than the occasional fantastic toke of pot) and I'm interested in what else I can figure out about myself. My thoughts would be to start with psylocybin shrooms, and go from there.

I wouldn't recommend any specific drug or plant to anyone. It has to sort of come from within that persons own comfort/pace. Its not so much the question, “which psychedelic should I try”, rather “what am I LOOKING for?”…Most people consider it strictly as a recreational drug/plant/experience…that’s find and dandy, good to explore or seek, but you should really make sure you are committed to the experience, and that you are doing it for the right reasons. Make sure you know what to expect, make sure you have a secure source that’s going to provide a reliable product, and probably the MOST important advice, know a good friend to help you through the experience. Spotters are a must for the inexperienced!!

Different doses yield different experience. With certain substances, there isn’t really ever a chance (LD50 levels/toxicity for LSD, Psilocybin, DMT are low) you are going to overdose, and all it takes in some cases is a microdosage…but depending on how comfortable you are, the experience can range from a slight intoxication, to full blown ‘this cant be happening’. Whatever you decide, just be sure to be ready. There is tons of information out there, find reliable information and carry on with what you desire.

The dangers associated with most psychedelics seem overblown but it might still be best to graduate one's experimentation from something comparatively light, like psilocybin, to granddaddies such as DMT and the like. The feeling I have is that conventional psychedelics, in non-heroic dosages, are reasonably safe in psychologically stable individuals; there's certainly not high chemical toxicity concerns with things like psilocybin. I'm less keen on LSD nowadays, though, because of the DEA bust on the Pickard/Apperson lab; it's increasingly difficult to be sure of the provenance and potency of anything synthetic. But yeah, any substance that matches current neurotransmitter structure (e.g., serotonin) and easily binds to receptors is probably relatively safe. In other words, the less neuropsychological or somatic guesswork the better. I tend to favor anything time-tested as well.

Hells yes. Psychedelics, especially the hallucinogens get a bad wrap from all of the dare program indoctrination/brainwashing campaign. And it only makes sense…I mean consider ALL of the money and resources spent the past few decades of “DRUGS MAKE UR BRAIN MELT” propaganda, and I can sort of understand why people think what they think..but yea the pharmacological properties, the toxicity level/LD50, historical use by humans, make most of these chemicals and plants safer than most of the garbage we consume on a daily basi…and its all overlooked L

I agree completely. I personally do not feel comfortable using something that has been made synthetically, simply because, just as you said, it's difficult to be sure of the potency. Factor in that the aforementioned variants of DMT are actually more potent, and you can understand why I am skeptical of my friend diving headfirst into the experience. I'm all for expanding your horizons, but at some point precautions need to be taken; and I feel that this is one of those times.
I do have something to say about the dangers of psychadelics being overblown. Although I agree with this statement, I can attest with personal experience that if one experiences a truly euphoric state through drugs, I cannot overstate their impact on the rest of your life. Thankfully, most of my experiences have been pleasant and have pushed me to think further outside the boundaries in which I was previously held. Unfortunately, not every experience can be good: and thus, the amplification of a bad experience is something nobody wants to deal with. Therefore, you can understand my hesitance on this subject (as I'm sure you also have)

from my own experience, it is somewhat of a crapshoot with certain personalities and psychedelics. People with some sort of extreme mental illness should take caution with psychedelics. People who simply aren’t ready or prepared are usually the ones you hear having terrible times. Not taking the proper steps, not making sure what they have is what they think, not making sure they’ve dosed themselves properly…it can all go awry if you aren’t knowledgeable.

But what shouldn’t be confused, is that these chemicals themselves do not possess dangerous substances that inherently create bad trips or bad feelings. This is the nature of psychedelics…it takes what lies beneath, the subconscious and the unconscious minds and it gives you ACCESS…meaning problems, anxieties, etc will arise during an experience, its not the drug, its you…And given the commitment and experience, you can learn to identify and overcome these personal issues. And under the influence of the psychedelic, you don’t have much power or control…give in and simply let it show you what it has to show.


Its very unlikely you'll panic on pot. If it helps do it with people you feel comfortable around. (that also smoke it).

I dunno, with drugs, like people come different reactions. Everybody is different, and some people do experience a great deal of anxiety with cannabis. Personally, when it comes down to anxiety and cannabis, what Ive found is that the anxiety that arises generally isn’t something I cant control…if anything, it feels like the anxiety is almost programmed into me ala drug prevention…So when I get edgy, Ill find my thoughts going to “oh man im going to get caught, I shouldn’t be doing this” etc, nothing that is crazy, just pressure and anxiety that I was conditioned to respond to.

Its not really a problem for me, but I can definitely see how some people just don’t benefit the same from cannabis use. Which is a shame lol.

I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from in terms of the Phaliaris arundinacea, specifically: "the cost of extraction as consistently portrayed in various and sundry .pdfs"
I was more or less concerned about the 5meo-DMT and partially the mipt as opposed to the dipt. I'm not as specific about the binding sites as you are (and as I should be)

McKenna did in fact recommend large doses infrequently, but I have also read that small, more frequent (but still not frequent) doses provide better results. In here somewhere it says that the user builds a "threshold" and only through multiple experimentations can one know where their threshold lies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybin_mushrooms
And of course, my beloved Erowid

That's psilocybin, though, so there are probably some differences.

Mckenna would advocate whatever doses and frequencies work the best for your own personal needs. Theres people Ive spoken with, where once is enough…others who try to engage on a ritualistic basis, but I DO agree the point should stress usage designed by the users own comfort.

For the full blown psilocybin experience yes, I remember hearing something like “take 7 grams of dried out strophoria cubensis in total darkness and be prepared”…lol…but I think he was simply stressing the true power and magic that can be attained in such a simple ritual.

The one thing that most long term users report, is that these chemicals and plants don’t seem to have a major effect on the serotonin (the proper name alludes me at the moment) system, like MDMA would have. Seems tat long term usage does not throw you out of whack, and recovery with many of them seem to be a lot faster than the sort of ‘body high’ drugs that are out there.


Have you experienced a truly euphoric state? If so, when/on what?
I've personally experienced extremely euphoric hypnagogic states after nothing but mere manual labor and sleep deprivation.

Also, re: pot, some past input from snowqueen (which is why I'll never try weed):

Aha…the thing about this…psychedelics vs achieving it via some other form such as mediation, prolonged periods of dancing, etc…for an older culture where years and years are available to practice and perfect yes..i believe some are truly capable…but its rare and takes a lot more time.

For westerners, we have psychedelic drugs. An easy to use, easy to obtain, fast track to the big show…in cases like DMT, if all of the wonder and awe were possible, wouldn’t you perhaps wonder about it? If you don’t believe me, or the countless amounts of others who claim to have seen the world, why would you not take the 15 minutes and simply try? Have a sack, take a chance, and after those 20 minutes are over, you can either tell me to shut up and go away forever, or youll truly get at what some are trying to explore.




Yes, I have. To be honest, many of my most intricate thoughts blossom when I am under the influence of weed. It allows me to seclude myself from the outside world and let my mind really work things over. My problem is that after I have my ideas, I struggle to explain their complexity in any sort of meaningful form... and this is long after I smoke (which is what I'm trying to work on now). I don't know if this is a trait of my MBTI or simply someting I need to work on; another reason why I am interested in both expansion of the mind and Jung typology.
As for her post, I cannot disagree with what she says. I have no problem with somebody's differing opinion, as long as it is well thought out and reasonably well explained

Anyway, to reiterate on my thoughts ^^ I'm not saying that because I smoke, thoughts come about in my head. But, because I am CONSTANTLY in contact with a human being due to my living conditions/ duties that one has while in a relationship, it allows me to become isolated without being distracted. I can sit in the corner of the room and be oblivious to what's happening around me and not care about it - because I'm so immersed in my own thoughts. I intentionally seclude myself because it's something that I need to do; this is the only effective solution I have found, given my current circumstances.

Has it ever felt to you, like maybe in some bizarre way human minds act as some sort of catalyst for psychedelics, plants, and chemicals to sort of manifest/express themselves through? For instance cannabis, there have been several times that Ive thought “theres no way this thought came from me”…and then I think more about it…is it some form of organic, feral knowledge leaking into my head from this plant spirit?

Anyways enough of that…

What I love the most about cannabis, is that it takes me to a place that allows me to think about the things Im not suppose to be thinking aobut. It shows me insight, it allows me to take a step back and sort of slow down…slow down and just take a deep breath (and maybe a cough or two) and just take it all in…


and just for fun, a couple of my favorites quotes regarding the archaic revival put forth my MCkenna...

“We have to create culture, don't watch TV, don't read magazines, don't even listen to NPR. Create your own roadshow. The nexus of space and time where you are now is the most immediate sector of your universe, and if you're worrying about Michael Jackson or Bill Clinton or somebody else, then you are disempowered, you're giving it all away to icons, icons which are maintained by an electronic media so that you want to dress like X or have lips like Y. This is shit-brained, this kind of thinking. That is all cultural diversion, and what is real is you and your friends and your associations, your highs, your orgasms, your hopes, your plans, your fears. And we are told 'no', we're unimportant, we're peripheral. 'Get a degree, get a job, get a this, get a that.' And then you're a player, you don't want to even play in that game. You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world.”

“History is ending because the dominator culture has led the human species into a blind alley, and as the inevitable chaostrophie approaches, people look for metaphors and answers. Every time a culture gets into trouble it casts itself back into the past looking for the last sane moment it ever knew. And the last sane moment we ever knew was on the plains of Africa 15,000 years ago rocked in the cradle of the Great Horned Mushroom Goddess before history, before standing armies, before slavery and property, before warfare and phonetic alphabets and monotheism, before, before, before. And this is where the future is taking us because the secret faith of the twentieth century is not modernism, the secret faith of the twentieth century is nostalgia for the archaic, nostalgia for the paleolithic, and that gives us body piercing, abstract expressionism, surrealism, jazz, rock-n-roll and catastrophe theory.

The 20th century mind is nostalgic for the paradise that once existed on the mushroom dotted plains of Africa where the plant-human symbiosis occurred that pulled us out of the animal body and into the tool-using, culture-making, imagination-exploring creature that we are. And why does this matter? It matters because it shows that the way out is back and that the future is a forward escape into the past. This is what the psychedelic experience means. Its a doorway out of history and into the wiring under the board in eternity. And I tell you this because if the community understands what it is that holds it together the community will be better able to streamline itself for flight into hyperspace because what we need is a new myth, what we need is a new true story that tells us where we're going in the universe and that true story is that the ego is a product of pathology, and when psilocybin is regularly part of the human experience the ego is supressed and the supression of the ego means the defeat of the dominators, the materialists, the product peddlers.

Psychedelics return us to the inner worth of the self, to the importance of the feeling of immediate experience - and nobody can sell that to you and nobody can buy it from you, so the dominator culture is not interested in the felt presence of immediate experience, but that's what holds the community together. And as we break out of the silly myths of science, and the infantile obsessions of the marketplace what we discover through the psychedelic experience is that in the body, IN THE BODY, there are Niagras of beauty, alien beauty, alien dimensions that are part of the self, the richest part of life. I think of going to the grave without having a psychedelic experience like going to the grave without ever having sex. It means that you never figured out what it is all about. The mystery is in the body and the way the body works itself into nature.

What the Archaic Revival means is shamanism, ecstacy, orgiastic sexuality, and the defeat of the three enemies of the people. And the three enemies of the people are hegemony, monogamy and monotony! And if you get them on the run you have the dominators sweating folks, because that means your getting it all reconnected, and getting it all reconnected means putting aside the idea of separateness and self-definition through thing-fetish. Getting it all connected means tapping into the Gaian mind, and the Gaian mind is what we're calling the psychedelic experience. Its an experience of the living fact of the entelechy of the planet. And without that experience we wander in a desert of bogus ideologies. But with that experience the compass of the self can be set, and that's the idea; figuring out how to reset the compass of the self through community, through ecstatic dance, through psychedelics, sexuality, intelligence, INTELLIGENCE. This is what we have to have to make the forward escape into hyperspace.”
 
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Aha…the thing about this…psychedelics vs achieving it via some other form such as mediation, prolonged periods of dancing, etc…for an older culture where years and years are available to practice and perfect yes..i believe some are truly capable…but its rare and takes a lot more time.

For westerners, we have psychedelic drugs. An easy to use, easy to obtain, fast track to the big show…in cases like DMT, if all of the wonder and awe were possible, wouldn’t you perhaps wonder about it? If you don’t believe me, or the countless amounts of others who claim to have seen the world, why would you not take the 15 minutes and simply try? Have a sack, take a chance, and after those 20 minutes are over, you can either tell me to shut up and go away forever, or youll truly get at what some are trying to explore.

I'm cautious of anything purported to be a fast track...

I think my experience shadows the prolonged periods of dancing, etc. in that I'd been super pressed to complete my thesis field work for 5-6 days running (10 hour days on foot in a wetland) and under pretty undue stress from other sources.

Then I got to sleep on a soft couch (as opposed to the stiff-ass rubber mattress I'd been forced to use) and hit a hypnagogic state. It was a "holy shit!" experience in that I never wanted it to end, I couldn't move, I'm assuming it's something akin to the female orgasm because my WHOLE BODY was high, and though there were no visuals, I heard completely novel music I'd never heard before. I want it back :o

The traditional "teachers" are very much on the table, I've just gotta get all the rxns down first with everything else. Weed, on the other hand, is ironically off due to the likely polygenic and epigenetic mechanisms of schizophrenia.

And about that Episkopos question from post #199... :evil:
 

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I'm cautious of anything purported to be a fast track...

I think my experience shadows the prolonged periods of dancing, etc. in that I'd been super pressed to complete my thesis field work for 5-6 days running (10 hour days on foot in a wetland) and under pretty undue stress from other sources.

Then I got to sleep on a soft couch (as opposed to the stiff-ass rubber mattress I'd been forced to use) and hit a hypnagogic state. It was a "holy shit!" experience in that I never wanted it to end, I couldn't move, I'm assuming it's something akin to the female orgasm because my WHOLE BODY was high, and though there were no visuals, I heard completely novel music I'd never heard before. I want it back :o

The traditional "teachers" are very much on the table, I've just gotta get all the rxns down first with everything else. Weed, on the other hand, is ironically off due to the likely polygenic and epigenetic mechanisms of schizophrenia.

And about that Episkopos question from post #199... :evil:

Id just add that 'fast' does not equate to easy. Its simply the comparison between working your body to into a trance state vs administering a drug/plant.

in the end, ritualistic dancing, meditation,fasting, etc seem to only be able to provide access to a certain level...a level that the plants and drugs seem to completely shatter. Dancing and meditating can get you (if ur experienced) to a point, but to break through that threshold, it seems for the the run of the mill average joe citizen who needs to get a kick in the ass and wake up before this society consumes itself to apocalypse, drugs are a more effective/realistic solution.
 

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I wouldn't recommend any specific drug or plant to anyone. It has to sort of come from within that persons own comfort/pace. Its not so much the question, “which psychedelic should I try”, rather “what am I LOOKING for?”…Most people consider it strictly as a recreational drug/plant/experience…that’s find and dandy, good to explore or seek, but you should really make sure you are committed to the experience, and that you are doing it for the right reasons. Make sure you know what to expect, make sure you have a secure source that’s going to provide a reliable product, and probably the MOST important advice, know a good friend to help you through the experience. Spotters are a must for the inexperienced!!

I guess I was just asking an experienced user what would be the "easiest" to start out with. I understand that different things have different effects on people, but there still has to be something that you would recommend starting out with! For instance, after reading extensive amounts of material on this subject, I've decided that I would like to start with some sort of psilocybin mushroom. My question to you would then be; what are your favorite strains/ what are the easiest to obtain/ are there any that I should stay away from? I know that again, this differes from person to person, but I'm asking you directly because to be honest, I'm interested in your opinion :)

Now, as for my intentions. I'm not looking for a recreational experience, per se... it seems to me that the fun part (i.e. tripping) is just a bonus. I'm much more interested in "finding myself" so to speak, and taking my experience and hopefully dissecting it in a way that will pertain to certain aspects of my life (whether it be a relationship, spiritual experience, or questions I have about the universe). I bold this last point because it is what I am most interested in. I (along with several others in this forum) am extremely interested in trying to figure out (scientifically, of course) what we don't already know about the universe. This might sound silly, but after reading countless trip reports on erowid and researching the profound effects that certain psychedelics can have on one's perception of time and ego, I believe that by taking certain psychedelic substances, I will be one step closer to discovering that "something" that is in the back of everyone's mind; that question that every person at some point or another has about consciousness, the universe, perception, and relativity. Again, this may sound silly, but I believe that by experiencing the phenomenon that I have so often read about (ego death, traveling through the universe, the absence of perception of time) firsthand, my mind will be better equipped to wrap around it and delve deeper into the mysteries of the universe.

And under the influence of the psychedelic, you don’t have much power or control…give in and simply let it show you what it has to show.

Is that difficult, just letting it go? I feel as though that would be my one issue for me. I tend to grasp on to things for as long as I can and work them around in my head so I can get a better idea of what I'm working with... which in some cases causes me to get "stuck" in certain mindsets when under the influence of drugs. I'm sure you know that feeling too... :slashnew: Only recently have I been able to say "fuck it" and dismiss something that may cause me to be disturbed. Is this something that I should work on, or is it not that big of a deal?

Has it ever felt to you, like maybe in some bizarre way human minds act as some sort of catalyst for psychedelics, plants, and chemicals to sort of manifest/express themselves through? For instance cannabis, there have been several times that Ive thought “theres no way this thought came from me”…and then I think more about it…is it some form of organic, feral knowledge leaking into my head from this plant spirit?

Well, not until this very moment... haha. Generally speaking, I view whatever comes from my thoughts (be it completely ridiculous or extremely complicated and intricate) to be "mine". Now, we could get into an entire discussion about consciousness and perception, but for right now I'll just leave it at: whatever I think of when I'm high is something that would also run through my head when I'm sober... just, I would never think twice about it in my normal state. I feel as though I pay SO much more attention to detail, which, as aforementioned, can be good or bad, depending on what it is I'm thinking about.

However, I will admit that on several occasions (and thehabitatdoctor can attest to this) I have stated that plants are "smarter" than humans. Now, obviously, that's not exactly what I mean... however, they ARE the only organisms that have figured out how to harness the energy from the sun... (excluding some protists)... and they HAVE been around a lot longer than mammals. Really if you want to get twisted, one could argue that plants use humans to do their bidding, so to speak. Think about it. We plant them, harvest them, plant them again. What's the difference between the mutualistic relationship between the acacia tree and acacia ants, and plants and humans? We get food, we spread their seed; the ants get a home, the tree gets a better defense against giraffes. Furthermore, plants have managed to dominate the earth... WITHOUT THE ABILILTY TO MOVE. Sometimes I feel like the only person that is just astounded by this. :slashnew: Just think about it :phear:

What I love the most about cannabis, is that it takes me to a place that allows me to think about the things Im not suppose to be thinking about. It shows me insight, it allows me to take a step back and sort of slow down…slow down and just take a deep breath (and maybe a cough or two) and just take it all in…

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cant say ive done too much work with the other compounds...but MDMA shes a real beauty...are you familiar with the benefits of MDMA assisted therapy and PTSD? I mean its not really a big shocker (aside from the science being able to catch up in a hostile environment) but yea, MDMA something we street folk call ECSTASY (although i just have to point out MDMA =/= ecstasy) has a beneficial impact on a person's mental health??! no wayyyyy...

MAPS just released their 10 year study back in November I believe...its good stuff if ur interested.

I guess I was just asking an experienced user what would be the "easiest" to start out with. I understand that different things have different effects on people, but there still has to be something that you would recommend starting out with! For instance, after reading extensive amounts of material on this subject, I've decided that I would like to start with some sort of psilocybin mushroom. My question to you would then be; what are your favorite strains/ what are the easiest to obtain/ are there any that I should stay away from? I know that again, this differes from person to person, but I'm asking you directly because to be honest, I'm interested in your opinion :)

Psilocybin mushrooms would be a good start. A very low toxicity, relatively easy to obtain (if ur experienced you can literally go out and pick ur own - i wouldnt recommend this to a noob tho) and a long history of human usage. The experience with psilocybin can vary from low dose visuals, to high dose full blown you are in a world of magic...Id recommend starting low, mebbe 2-3 grams at most, and from there work your way up.

When it comes to mushrooms, you want to avoid the poisonous ones lol...but nobody really is dealing or offering poisonous shrooms so i doubt you really need to worry about it if you have a secure source. Off the top of my head popular and easy strains cubensis, the liberty caps are easy to grow, and easy to find (depending on location) ...theres tons of strains, but unlike something like cannabis (sativa vs indica) the highs arent going to really differ all that much from strain to strain, all that really matters is that it contains Psilocybin. Dosing will prove to be more critical than what particular strain (as long as its not a poisonous shroom).

Id also be sort of leaning towards something like salvia if it was still around legally...I mean personally, it was by far the most balls out the walls trip ive had with anything, and I partook at a time in my life where I wasnt too experienced...in retrospect, the difference was taking the time to learn and expect what was coming (proper method of admistration, proper dosing, etc).

In the end, Id say mushrooms are a good step for one looking to dig a bit deeper...


Now, as for my intentions. I'm not looking for a recreational experience, per se... it seems to me that the fun part (i.e. tripping) is just a bonus. I'm much more interested in "finding myself" so to speak, and taking my experience and hopefully dissecting it in a way that will pertain to certain aspects of my life (whether it be a relationship, spiritual experience, or questions I have about the universe). I bold this last point because it is what I am most interested in. I (along with several others in this forum) am extremely interested in trying to figure out (scientifically, of course) what we don't already know about the universe. This might sound silly, but after reading countless trip reports on erowid and researching the profound effects that certain psychedelics can have on one's perception of time and ego, I believe that by taking certain psychedelic substances, I will be one step closer to discovering that "something" that is in the back of everyone's mind; that question that every person at some point or another has about consciousness, the universe, perception, and relativity. Again, this may sound silly, but I believe that by experiencing the phenomenon that I have so often read about (ego death, traveling through the universe, the absence of perception of time) firsthand, my mind will be better equipped to wrap around it and delve deeper into the mysteries of the universe.

This is getting me all hot and bothered right now...Aight good to hear. I will warn, a lot of folks seem to think that it works like magic. Yes, you will have an experience, but dont expect to come out of it knowing everything about the universe. It will provide you your own wisdom and insight, and learning the lessons the substance shows you takes time. Ive always enjoyed the way Mckenna put it when like,

My notion of what the psychedelic experience is, for us, that we each must become like fishermen, and go out on to the dark ocean of mind, and let our nets down into that sea. And what you're after is not some behemoth, that will tear through your nets, follow them and drag you in your little boat, you know, into the abyss, nor are what we're looking for a bunch of sardines that can slip through your net and disappear. Ideas like, "Have you ever noticed that your little finger exactly fits your nostril?", and stuff like that. What we are looking for are middle-size ideas, that are not so small that they are trivial, and not so large that they're incomprehensible. Middle-size ideas we can wrestle into our boat and take back to the folks on shore, and have fish dinner. And every one of us when we go into the psychedelic state, this is what we should be looking for. It's not for your elucidation, it's not part of your self-directed psychotherapy. You are an explorer, and you represent our species, and the greatest good you can do is to bring back a new idea, because our world is in danger by the absence of good ideas. Our world is in crisis because of the absence of consciousness. And so to whatever degree any one of us can bring back a small piece of the picture and contribute it to the building of the new paradigm, then we participate in the redemption of the human spirit, and that after all is what it's really all about.

i dont think it could be said any better...

Is that difficult, just letting it go? I feel as though that would be my one issue for me. I tend to grasp on to things for as long as I can and work them around in my head so I can get a better idea of what I'm working with... which in some cases causes me to get "stuck" in certain mindsets when under the influence of drugs. I'm sure you know that feeling too... :slashnew: Only recently have I been able to say "fuck it" and dismiss something that may cause me to be disturbed. Is this something that I should work on, or is it not that big of a deal?


is it difficult? it can be...but ive always believed that given the proper setting, mental/physical preparation, an eager mind, and a good spotter eases a great deal of the tension and the anxiety. Personally, I felt no troubles breaking through in my experiences...had there been fear? absolutely...but fear is a good thing in small doses, its our response to let us know what we are feeling, the alien dimension that we seem to have stumbled upon, is as real as it gets... I will say, tho that depending on the dosage, it doesnt really matter if you want to give in or not...its going to happen. This is when all the preparation and relaxation you put into prior, comes into play. Its only a brief with certain substances, and with psilocybin theres actually takes more time for onset...that phase that can definitely help ease into things, or flipside it can cause you to go batshit scared over losing your mind...I think that might be the greatest fear people have, the unconscious picking away at thoughts that have been thrown into our minds over the years...the greatest solace I find is KNOWING that the substances I carefully choose to use, are not going to harm me. They arent going to melt my brain, Im simply exploring. Exploring a world as an alien, in an unimaginable landscape...and that puts me at peace with whatever Im dealing with.

I dunno my long way of saying its an easy thing to let go, but I just know there are far too many out there that would say otherwise.



Well, not until this very moment... haha. Generally speaking, I view whatever comes from my thoughts (be it completely ridiculous or extremely complicated and intricate) to be "mine". Now, we could get into an entire discussion about consciousness and perception, but for right now I'll just leave it at: whatever I think of when I'm high is something that would also run through my head when I'm sober... just, I would never think twice about it in my normal state. I feel as though I pay SO much more attention to detail, which, as aforementioned, can be good or bad, depending on what it is I'm thinking about.

However, I will admit that on several occasions (and thehabitatdoctor can attest to this) I have stated that plants are "smarter" than humans. Now, obviously, that's not exactly what I mean... however, they ARE the only organisms that have figured out how to harness the energy from the sun... (excluding some protists)... and they HAVE been around a lot longer than mammals. Really if you want to get twisted, one could argue that plants use humans to do their bidding, so to speak. Think about it. We plant them, harvest them, plant them again. What's the difference between the mutualistic relationship between the acacia tree and acacia ants, and plants and humans? We get food, we spread their seed; the ants get a home, the tree gets a better defense against giraffes. Furthermore, plants have managed to dominate the earth... WITHOUT THE ABILILTY TO MOVE. Sometimes I feel like the only person that is just astounded by this. :slashnew: Just think about it :phear:

if we accept the idea that plants and diet had an impact on our neurochemical evolution...when we lept from the treetops of the jungles to the open grasslands...when the ego was created, plants have been evolving and living on this planet far longer than any human...its a stretch...but when you start to dig into things lke Rupert Sheldrake's morphic resonance, cannabis usage and human history seems to extend further than any historian is willing to admit... a sort of governining overmind that a species can tap into...hmmm...At this point its just sort of a feeling, not much research done into the possibility...but yea, this is the type of stupid stuff i think about on a daily basis. I do feel though, cannabis, the mother ganja, she deserves a thread of her own. :D

Ah yess! I cant remember the author...but I remember reading something a long time ago that suggested what you are getting at. Its a mindfuck if you begin to think, 'wait the plants are using humans this entire time'? Id only say, the complete and utter destruction of most of the rainforests on this planet would probably counter that whole idea...at least the human mind conquered (like everything else) yet another foe , being the plant kingdom...

But no symbiotic relationships between plants and humans...

"I am old, older than thought in your species, which is itself fifty times older than your history. Though I have been on earth for ages I am from the stars. My home is no one planet, for many worlds scattered through the shining disc of the galaxy have conditions which allow my spores an opportunity for life. The mushroom which you see is the part of my body given to sex thrills and sun bathing, my true body is a fine network of fibers growing through the soil. These networks may cover acres and may have far more connections that the number in a human brain. My mycelial network is nearly immortal, only the sudden toxification of a planet or the explosion of its parent star can wipe me out. By means impossible to explain because of certain misconceptions in your model of reality all my mycelial networks in the galaxy are in hyperlight communication across space and time. The mycelial body is as fragile as a spider's web but the collective hypermind and memory is a vast historical archive of the career of evolving intelligence on many worlds in our spiral star swarm. Space, you see, is a vast ocean to those hardy life forms that have the ability to reproduce from spores, for spores are covered with the hardest organic substance known. Across the aeons of time and space drift many spore-forming life-forms in suspended animation for millions of years until contact is made with a suitable environment. Few such species are minded, only myself and my recently evolved near relatives have achieved the hyper-communication mode and memory capacity that makes us leading members in the community of galactic intelligence. How the hypercommunication mode operates is a secret which will not be lightly given to man. But the means should be obvious: it is the occurrence of psilocybin and psilocin in the biosynthetic pathways of my living body that opens for me and my symbiots the vision screens to many worlds. You as an individual and man as a species are on the brink of the formation of a symbiotic relationship with my genetic material that will eventually carry humanity and earth into the galactic mainstream of the higher civilizations.

Since it is not easy for you to recognize other varieties of intelligence around you, your most advanced theories of politics and society have advanced only as far as the notion of collectivism. But beyond the cohesion of the members of a species into a single social organism there lie richer and even more baroque evolutionary possibilities. Symbiosis is one of these. Symbiosis is a relation of mutual dependence and positive benefits for both of the species involved. Symbiotic relationships between myself and civilized forms of higher animals have been established many times and in many places throughout the long ages of my development. These relationships have been mutually useful; within my memory is the knowledge of hyperlight drive ships and how to build them. I will trade this knowledge for a free ticket to new worlds around suns younger and more stable than your own. To secure an eternal existence down the long river of cosmic time I again and again offer this agreement to higher beings and thereby have spread throughout the galaxy over the long millennia. A mycelial network has no organs to move the world, no hands; but higher animals with manipulative abilities can become partners with the star knowledge within me and if they act in good faith, return both themselves and their humble mushroom teacher to the million worlds all citizens of our starswarm are heir to."


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However, I will admit that on several occasions (and thehabitatdoctor can attest to this) <-Gotta use the @... I have stated that plants are "smarter" than humans. Now, obviously, that's not exactly what I mean... however, they ARE the only organisms that have figured out how to harness the energy from the sun... (excluding some protists)... and they HAVE been around a lot longer than mammals. Really if you want to get twisted, one could argue that plants use humans to do their bidding, so to speak. Many botanists make that argument. Pick any agricultural crop as an example of human-facilitated global domination. Apples are my favorite (their ecomilitary base is in Kazakhstan).
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cant say ive done too much work with the other compounds...but MDMA shes a real beauty...are you familiar with the benefits of MDMA assisted therapy and PTSD? Yup. No U.S. trials though... (Oh, but they're coming! ;)) I mean its not really a big shocker (aside from the science being able to catch up in a hostile environment) but yea, MDMA something we street folk call ECSTASY (although i just have to point out MDMA =/= ecstasy) has a beneficial impact on a person's mental health??! no wayyyyy...

MAPS just released their 10 year study back in November I believe...its good stuff if ur interested. *goes to Google*
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Hard to believe meth is only in the 26th percentile. I'd have guessed it would be the official INTP drug of choice.
 

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Hard to believe meth is only in the 26th percentile. I'd have guessed it would be the official INTP drug of choice.

Methamphetamine and the likes are pure boredom when you have hallucinogens on your plate.
 

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I have a thread titled "Make your own shtuff" ;)

Any input re:

5-meo-mipt
5-meo-dipt
5-meo-dmt


Synthesis is easy enough (the question is, are SWIM's skills and facilities up to the task?), but I'm honestly more interested in experiences, especially xNTPian.
 

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the gaian mind

The planet is some kind of organized intelligence. It's very different from us. It's had 5- or 6-billion years to create a slow moving mind which is made of oceans and rivers and rain forests and glaciers. It's becoming aware of us, as we are becoming aware of it, strangely enough. Two less likely members of a relationship can hardly be imagined - the technological apes and the dreaming planet. And yet, because the life of each depends on the other, there's a feeling towards this immense, strange, wise, old, neutral, weird thing, and it is trying to figure out why its dreams are so tormented and why everything is out of balance.

The planet has a kind of intelligence, it can actually open a channel of communication with an individual human being. The message that nature sends is, transform your language through a synergy between electronic culture and the psychedelic imagination, a synergy between dance and idea, a synergy between understanding and intuition, and dissolve the boundaries that your culture has sanctioned between you, to become part of this Gaian supermind.

The psychedelic experience is far more than instant psychotherapy or instant regression to infantile traumatic situations, far more than simply a kind of super-aphrodisiac, far more than simply an aid in formulating ideas or coming up with artistic concepts. What the psychedelic experience really is, is opening the doorway into a lost continent of the human mind, a continent that we have almost lost all connection to, and the nature of this lost world of the human mind is that it is a Gaian entelechy. It turns out, if we can trust the evidence of the psychedelic experience, that we are not the only intelligent life forms on this planet, that we share this planet with some kind of conscious mind - call it Gaia, call it Zeta Reticulians who came here a million years ago, call it God Almighty, it doesn't matter what you call it, the fact of the matter is that the claims of religion that there is some kind of higher power can be experientially verified through psychedelics. Now this is not, in Milton's wonderful phrase "The God who hung the stars like lamps in heaven" - it doesn't have to do with that, in my opinion - it isn't cosmic in scale, it's planetary in scale. There is some kind of disincarnate intelligence. It's in the water, it's in the ground, it's in the vegetation, it's in the atmosphere we breath, and our unhappiness, our discomfort, arises from the fact that we have fallen into history and history is a state of benighted ignorance concerning the real facts of how the world works.


Now, why it is that when we dose ourselves with a human neurotransmitter like DMT, why we then encounter armies of elves teaching us a perfected form of communication, this is a very difficult question. When you go to traditional cultures, shamanistic cultures in the Amazon and put this question to them, they answer without hesitation when you ask about these small entities, they say "Oh, yes, those are the ancestors, those are the ancestor spirits with which we work all of our magic." This is worldwide and traditionally the answer that you would get from shamans if you were to ask them how they do their magic - it's through the intercession of the helping spirit who is a creature in another dimension. Well, we may have imagined many different scenarios, a future technological and social innovation, but I think very few of us have imagined the possibility that the real programme of shamanism would have to be taken seriously, and that shamans are actually people who have learned to penetrate into another dimension, a dimension where, for want of a better word, we would have to say the souls of the ancestors are somehow present. It isn't, you see, as though we penetrate into the realm of the dead, it's more as though we discover that this world is the realm of the dead and that there is a kind of higher-dimensional world with greater degrees of freedom, with a greater sense of spontaneity and a lesser dependency on the entropic world of matter, and that that other universe is attempting to impinge into our own, perhaps to rescue us from our historical dilemma, we don't know - perhaps shamans have always had commerce with these magical invisible worlds and it's only the sad fate of Western human beings to have lost touch and awareness with this domain to the point where it comes to us as a kind of a revelation. You see, I believe that the whole fall into history, the whole rise of male dominance and patriarchy really can be traced to a broken connection with the living world of the Gaian mind, and there's nothing airy-fairy about this notion; the living world of the Gaian mind is what shamans access through psychoactive plants, and without psychoactive plants that access comes as an unconfirmable rumour.
 

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I can relate to the first portion of the second to last quotation most. These ideas about seeing what our ancestors saw, inhabiting that ontology, is what I believe psychedelics do to the overloaded modern mind. The stuff about Gaia might be McKenna's addled obsession. At any rate, I have always felt that McKenna misapplied ecology and misunderstood the sentient implication of words like mind. The earth has a homeostasis but that doesn't mean that plants can talk. :D

The psychedelic experience is far more than instant psychotherapy or instant regression to infantile traumatic situations, far more than simply a kind of super-aphrodisiac, far more than simply an aid in formulating ideas or coming up with artistic concepts. What the psychedelic experience really is, is opening the doorway into a lost continent of the human mind, a continent that we have almost lost all connection to, and the nature of this lost world of the human mind is that it is a Gaian entelechy.
 

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I can now proudly declare that I just did some mushrooms!


My first hallucinogenic, and a small dose. Just to see where I'm at. I quickly by 1am took a nip from the bag and started to chew it. People say that shrooms taste horrible, but I really couldn't see the big deal. It tastes like any mushroom and as soon as the dry matter starts mixing with saliva, it's consistency is also that of ordinary mushrooms. No big deal.

I was cooking food, and I was watching Doctor Who, my newest guilty pleasure that I have plunged through five seasons in a single week. I made a call to my friend and told him what's what. I said I felt present, more or less, and he said that I was stupid to have taken so little. That I would only feel weird. He was about right, but it was still an interesting experience.

Two hours later, I had to stop the show in the middle of some heavy, heavy action and prepare som food. That is when it hit me. I'm totally in the present - and every thought and idea I have feels like the best one ever. I knew I wasn't sober, but this was very different from other sorts of drugs I had taken earlier. It got rooter much longer back in my consciousness, and rather awoke me than intoxicated me. As I was streamlining the production of food in my kitchen - the heavy action of the series stuck with me. "Master that pan! Dominate that boiling sauce! Toast that bread to perfection!"

As I sat down with some butter on two pieces of cheese by the toaster, I felt like a timelord myself. As I snapped my fingers at the toaster, the breat popped. Just like how the Doctor snaps the TARDIS open in later seasons. The breat was amazing, and I again sat down with the series, but now with an urge to do something. Always doing something, and always something else than I was doing. Still, every idea felt like the greatest one and the most obvious solution ever, but it began to get a bit tiring. I can now imagine what having a bad trip is about. That would be about the same, but with one key difference; You get new thoughts all the time, but they are all bad thoughts. I can't imagine a greater hell.


I wanted to get into percieving-mode. to stop analyze. I popped Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link in my NES and finished about five temples in an hour. Still very present, but as luck would have it, I had focus on one thing at a time. Precisely as I wanted. I began to feel tired, and decided to listen to some music instead. My love for The Doors increased tonight, as a dark sort of calm reached me all through their second album; Strange Days. When the album was over, I still heared music as I drifted off to sleep.


I awoke a little earlier, at 6am, as it is 6:30 right now. Now I feel the complete opposite. I'm no longer engaged in the moment and no longer master my every move with utmost precision. Now, I feel that I let things slide. In an observing kind of way, I'm now closer to reality than I was before my little episode. It feels good, I feel sober.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PcoxbOMGds

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I can now proudly declare that I just did some mushrooms!


My first hallucinogenic, and a small dose. Just to see where I'm at. I quickly by 1am took a nip from the bag and started to chew it. People say that shrooms taste horrible, but I really couldn't see the big deal. It tastes like any mushroom and as soon as the dry matter starts mixing with saliva, it's consistency is also that of ordinary mushrooms. No big deal.

I was cooking food, and I was watching Doctor Who, my newest guilty pleasure that I have plunged through five seasons in a single week. I made a call to my friend and told him what's what. I said I felt present, more or less, and he said that I was stupid to have taken so little. That I would only feel weird. He was about right, but it was still an interesting experience.

Two hours later, I had to stop the show in the middle of some heavy, heavy action and prepare som food. That is when it hit me. I'm totally in the present - and every thought and idea I have feels like the best one ever. I knew I wasn't sober, but this was very different from other sorts of drugs I had taken earlier. It got rooter much longer back in my consciousness, and rather awoke me than intoxicated me. As I was streamlining the production of food in my kitchen - the heavy action of the series stuck with me. "Master that pan! Dominate that boiling sauce! Toast that bread to perfection!"

As I sat down with some butter on two pieces of cheese by the toaster, I felt like a timelord myself. As I snapped my fingers at the toaster, the breat popped. Just like how the Doctor snaps the TARDIS open in later seasons. The breat was amazing, and I again sat down with the series, but now with an urge to do something. Always doing something, and always something else than I was doing. Still, every idea felt like the greatest one and the most obvious solution ever, but it began to get a bit tiring. I can now imagine what having a bad trip is about. That would be about the same, but with one key difference; You get new thoughts all the time, but they are all bad thoughts. I can't imagine a greater hell.


I wanted to get into percieving-mode. to stop analyze. I popped Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link in my NES and finished about five temples in an hour. Still very present, but as luck would have it, I had focus on one thing at a time. Precisely as I wanted. I began to feel tired, and decided to listen to some music instead. My love for The Doors increased tonight, as a dark sort of calm reached me all through their second album; Strange Days. When the album was over, I still heared music as I drifted off to sleep.


I awoke a little earlier, at 6am, as it is 6:30 right now. Now I feel the complete opposite. I'm no longer engaged in the moment and no longer master my every move with utmost precision. Now, I feel that I let things slide. In an observing kind of way, I'm now closer to reality than I was before my little episode. It feels good, I feel sober.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PcoxbOMGds

P out.

the brave little psychedelic toaster, i dig it !
 

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It feels good, I feel sober.

People should really quit at that point. The overarching purpose is to inhabit a more tranquil mindspace; at times, such a goal is undercut by unbridled experimentation. Like a train, psychological development is meant to proceed at a smooth pace.
 

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Any input re:

5-meo-mipt
5-meo-dipt
5-meo-dmt


Synthesis is easy enough (the question is, are SWIM's skills and facilities up to the task?), but I'm honestly more interested in experiences, especially xNTPian.

I've tried 5-MeO-mipt. The first experience was from a trusted source who offered an off white powder. It seemed enjoyable: tactile sensations that were decent but nothing inspiring. The nausea and muscle tension was a bit more than I would have liked but not unbearable. For a psychedelic the headspace seemed closer to reality but odd, as in nothing I could compare it to. Visually, It was similar to low dose shrooms, in that it brought out color in things, and sometimes things would stretch. My mental focus was off afterwards but it wasn't very harsh on the body. The second time was from a different source in the form of a brown crystalline powder, it wasn't as enjoyable it seemed (Sleep deprivation the cause?) but there was an evident streak of psychedelia thru my mind. Oh, forgot to mention, aphrodisiac ;)

5-meo-dipt I hear is more novel and enjoyable, and also quite sexy. From the descriptions I understand it's more visual than 5-meo-mipt and is popping up frequently in street ecstasy tablets, as shown at ecstasydata.org

5-meo-DMT is supposed to be identical in effects to DMT with a lower dose, but not as breakthrough so I'm told.
 

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I've tried 5-MeO-mipt. The first experience was from a trusted source who offered an off white powder. It seemed enjoyable: tactile sensations that were decent but nothing inspiring. The nausea and muscle tension was a bit more than I would have liked but not unbearable. For a psychedelic the headspace seemed closer to reality but odd, as in nothing I could compare it to. Visually, It was similar to low dose shrooms, in that it brought out color in things, and sometimes things would stretch. My mental focus was off afterwards but it wasn't very harsh on the body. The second time was from a different source in the form of a brown crystalline powder, it wasn't as enjoyable it seemed (Sleep deprivation the cause?) but there was an evident streak of psychedelia thru my mind. Oh, forgot to mention, aphrodisiac ;)

5-meo-dipt I hear is more novel and enjoyable, and also quite sexy. From the descriptions I understand it's more visual than 5-meo-mipt and is popping up frequently in street ecstasy tablets, as shown at ecstasydata.org

5-meo-DMT is supposed to be identical in effects to DMT with a lower dose, but not as breakthrough so I'm told.

I'm not too familiar with any of these newer compounds....what exactly is the point of consuming these as opposed to the currently existing options? from my research it just seems like they are like the b squad of pyschedelics, or is that a stupid assumption?
 

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I'm not too familiar with any of these newer compounds....what exactly is the point of consuming these as opposed to the currently existing options? from my research it just seems like they are like the b squad of pyschedelics, or is that a stupid assumption?

There was a time when molecules of greatness such as LSD and MDA were nothing more than a hid away recipe in an obscure lab manual. You never know when the next big thing will come around. MDMA was just a synthesis document sitting around for years after it's creation until the 60's when it was resurrected by Shulgin and it's potential uncovered. It's now one of the most widely used and sought after drugs in the world. 5-meo-mipt was nothing special I have to admit. But from what I gather, 5-meo-dipt is well worth a try.
 

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People should really quit at that point. The overarching purpose is to inhabit a more tranquil mindspace; at times, such a goal is undercut by unbridled experimentation. Like a train, psychological development is meant to proceed at a smooth pace.

There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call... The Twilight Zone.


You see, between abuse and total aversion, there is exploration. I know since a lot earlier that something is wrong with my head because of my constant passive depression, and I'm using my utmost skill to fix what's wrong. This time it's mild hallucinogenics, other weeks it's omega 3 fish-oil, exercise, a project or interest or even (God forbid) exercise. Those things does little for me, and I'm searching for new ways. Besides, hallucinogenics can be really fun experiences.
 

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There was a time when molecules of greatness such as LSD and MDA were nothing more than a hid away recipe in an obscure lab manual. You never know when the next big thing will come around. MDMA was just a synthesis document sitting around for years after it's creation until the 60's when it was resurrected by Shulgin and it's potential uncovered. It's now one of the most widely used and sought after drugs in the world. 5-meo-mipt was nothing special I have to admit. But from what I gather, 5-meo-dipt is well worth a try.

@Synthetix

Have you noticed any detrimental long-term side-effects from ecstasy use? How many times have you done it? Do you heed any precautions?
 

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There was a time when molecules of greatness such as LSD and MDA were nothing more than a hid away recipe in an obscure lab manual. You never know when the next big thing will come around. MDMA was just a synthesis document sitting around for years after it's creation until the 60's when it was resurrected by Shulgin and it's potential uncovered. It's now one of the most widely used and sought after drugs in the world. 5-meo-mipt was nothing special I have to admit. But from what I gather, 5-meo-dipt is well worth a try.

ahhh i see...so its more of an endeavor of discovery ? It just always seemed like they were creating abunch of pointless analogues just for the sake of it...but that definitely makes sense. Especially considering how just a minor tweak can have drastic differences...


MDMA...one of my favorites to read...

Confessions of a Middle Aged Ecstasy Eater

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2001/jul/14/books.guardianreview
 

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Have you noticed any detrimental long-term side-effects from ecstasy use? How many times have you done it? Do you heed any precautions?

Of course I heed precautions. It's a must with every drug. And about a couple dozen times. I, as well as other occasional users, have not noticed any long term effects. That's not to say long term effects won't be present in a much more frequent user, say once a week. I will not use it more than once every 3 months, although in the past I've broken that rule. However it's been a while. Keep in mind I go to great lengths to ensure what I have is MDMA. Safety tips can be found at Bluelight and Erowid.
 

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Synthesis is easy enough (the question is, are SWIM's skills and facilities up to the task?), but I'm honestly more interested in experiences, especially xNTPian.

Off topic, but what is SWIM? Seen it enough and still can't figure out what it means...

Guessing:
Someone who isn't me?
 

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I like @joal0503

Also skip the bullshit and try n-n-DMT. It is all around the best trip (in the sense of just being good in set, setting, availability, everything).

I'd advise against getting wrapped up in modern LSD unless you know a chemist personally (which you don't, because you're a Noob). This might seem a bit nebulous, but I just don't think our time and our society is a good place to be taking it. And the effects I've seen it have on people over the course of years support that. Several beautiful minds brought to utter ruin, or at least some form of degradation. It's dirty, somehow. Impure. I really do not like what it does to people.

n-n-DMT is 'strong' yes, but it is utterly pure in terms of the experience it can produce, the ability to go back to that place, just being the quintessence generally. Anybody with sufficient motivation can easily access it, the experience somehow has an intelligence and guidedness to it which LSD doesn't, and tbh it's just not even in the same category as any other 'drug' you could care to mention. It also doesn't compromise your independent judgement/purity of mind in the way LSD and most 'drugs' do.

With these things, you do not want to start out slow. That is not respect. You want to totally shatter any holding back, plunge head-first into the abyss, and then have support systems in place for coming back, and a safe place to do that. Going halfway, or without proper intent to visit the place you're sort-of going, is what tends to produce bad experiences. That and other people.
 
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Also skip the bullshit and try n-n-DMT. It is all around the best trip (in the sense of just being good in set, setting, availability, everything).

*takes notes*

With these things, you do not want to start out slow. That is not respect. You want to totally shatter any holding back, plunge head-first into the abyss, and then have support systems in place for coming back, and a safe place to do that. Going halfway, or without proper intent to visit the place you're sort-of going, is what tends to produce bad experiences. That and other people.
^This was my inclination.

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You see, between abuse and total aversion, there is exploration.

I'm saying there's a fine line between exploration and abuse and I've seen some burnouts who didn't respect that line.

This time it's mild hallucinogenics, other weeks it's omega 3 fish-oil, exercise, a project or interest or even (God forbid) exercise.
Do you believe in god?

Those things does little for me, and I'm searching for new ways. Besides, hallucinogenics can be really fun experiences.

I fully understand the impulse. :D
 

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Also skip the bullshit and try n-n-DMT. It is all around the best trip (in the sense of just being good in set, setting, availability, everything).

What is n-n-DMT?

I've never heard of it before and I can't find anything about it on Erowid.
 

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Sorry, it's usually written n,n . It's the kind of DMT that isn't 5-MeO-DMT. You don't want Erowid, you want the DMT Nexus.

If anyone has any further questions etc. please address them by pm.
 

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I'm saying there's a fine line between exploration and abuse and I've seen some burnouts who didn't respect that line.


Well Snafu. As a designated explorer, it's my duty to walk that fine line. :)


Do you believe in god?

I believe in a consciouss universe, an assumption based on the fact that there is consciousness in humans; an observation that is purely subjective. But that's besides the point. How is spiritual views relevant in my self-medication? Do you believe that God can cure your cancer if you just beg hard enough? You see. Irrelevant.

I fully understand the impulse. :D

And I fully appreciate your effort of understanding. :)

But they aren't just fun either, which returns us to the point - exploration. To the TARDIS!
 

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Well Snafu. As a designated explorer, it's my duty to walk that fine line. :)

I understand but the more aggressive the route, the more devastating the misfires.

The payoffs, obviously, are potentially bigger with higher stakes.

I believe in a consciouss universe, an assumption based on the fact that there is consciousness in humans; an observation that is purely subjective. But that's besides the point. How is spiritual views relevant in my self-medication? Do you believe that God can cure your cancer if you just beg hard enough? You see. Irrelevant.

Usually the term and phenomena of entheogens invokes deistic feelings or images.

But they aren't just fun either, which returns us to the point - exploration. To the TARDIS!

Sounds more like debauched hedonism. Sometimes exploration into the psyche is painful.
 

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if ur bored...

When the jar is so leaky, its hard to know where to put the water. But I come to this as a ‘show me’ kind of guy. And so, though my conclusions may sound as flakey as anybody else’s, it was hard for me to get this flakey. I didn’t embrace it, I was forced to it. And this method works, you see! There are two ways to get flakey. You can just GET flakey, which takes no effort at all….Or you can get flakey by testing the edges, by stretching the envelope of being. And this works for the must hard headed among us, the aerospace insurance adjuster mentality….

I discovered, that you can take that kind of a mentality out into the theater of real experience, and you can come back a space bunny just like everybody else.

Seeking the Stone
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgQfC4WRg-g

Hermeticism and Alchemy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNdBpYh1eA

Crisis of Consciousness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEG0syeAo4U

Dreaming Awake at The End of Time
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Included in the list should be research stimulants. The cathinones, and little heard of amphetamines that are often associated with the demonized blanket term "bath salts".


·methylone
·mdpv
·mephedrone
·4-fa
·2-fa
·6-apb
·5-apb

Too many to name really. Some have many user reports to compare but some seem sketchy.
 
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