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Recreational drug use/experimentation

What drugs have you used/experimented with recreationally?

  • None

    Votes: 36 13.3%
  • Caffeine

    Votes: 211 77.9%
  • Alcohol

    Votes: 205 75.6%
  • Tobacco

    Votes: 166 61.3%
  • Cannabis, Hashish

    Votes: 183 67.5%
  • Hallucinogens(LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote etc.)

    Votes: 116 42.8%
  • MDMA(ecstasy)

    Votes: 70 25.8%
  • Amphetamine(speed)

    Votes: 76 28.0%
  • Cocaine

    Votes: 62 22.9%
  • Raw opium

    Votes: 16 5.9%
  • Opiates(Heroin, Oxycontin, morphine, etc)

    Votes: 58 21.4%
  • Deliriant drugs(Datura etc)

    Votes: 18 6.6%
  • Depressants(Benzodiazepines etc)

    Votes: 51 18.8%
  • Dissociative drugs(DXM, Ketamine, etc)

    Votes: 53 19.6%

  • Total voters
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Included in the list should be research stimulants. The cathinones, and little heard of amphetamines that are often associated with the demonized blanket term "bath salts".


·methylone
·mdpv
·mephedrone
·4-fa
·2-fa
·6-apb
·5-apb

Too many to name really. Some have many user reports to compare but some seem sketchy.

ever dabbled with ampakines?
 

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Unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing smart drugs. I wanted to buy a product called profiderall, it's supposed to be a rival of adderall, so says the company who makes it.
 

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Unfortunately I haven't had the pleasure of experiencing smart drugs. I wanted to buy a product called profiderall, it's supposed to be a rival of adderall, so says the company who makes it.

Same here, these ampakines are hard to get ahold of.

ultimately i dont find too much use/pleasure with the majority of stimulants. there are obviously the highs that are amazing...but i just dont know...not the sort of experience i seek, and there are plenty more health effects to consider with those sorts.
 

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Stimulants for me have usually been recreational. Though most are more harsh on the body. Psychedelics pose less of a physical risk, and they are profound, enlightening, fun and sometimes frightening. It's a shame they are kept from the maturely explorative types. Shrooms are probably my favorite psychedelic. Some of the experiences are beyond words.
 

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Stimulants for me have usually been recreational. Though most are more harsh on the body. Psychedelics pose less of a physical risk, and they are profound, enlightening, fun and sometimes frightening. It's a shame they are kept from the maturely explorative types. Shrooms are probably my favorite psychedelic. Some of the experiences are beyond words.

Stimulants have never really helped my ADHD symptoms, and in some instances have increased irritability and paranoia. Yes, I know what the implication of that reaction is!
 

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ive been holding on to a gram of delicious mdma for over 3 years now...it might just turn out to be an interesting monday...
 

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ive been holding on to a gram of delicious mdma for over 3 years now...it might just turn out to be an interesting monday...

Do it!!! I haven't walked down that road yet.
 

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My two-bit take on the effects of the drugs I have tried on my INTP mind:

Caffeine: I drink coffee like it's going out of fashion. I scarcely notice the effect any more unless I have two or three cups. I took 24 Pro-Plus tablets once, DON'T EVER DO THIS. Toilet related disharmony.

Tobacco: I smoked for most of my teenager users but these days I use a brilliant electric cigarette. The rush is brilliant, but only first thing in the morning. Peters out throughout the day.

Alcohol: I drink fairly regularly, being British and all. It varies depending on your mood. If I'm having the time of my life with friends I can drink until the wee small hours with no problems. If it's a quiet night in or at the pub I just tend to get sleepy and light-headed. Let it be known I adore booze!

Weed: Ehhh....I used it for years before realising I didn't really enjoy it much. I turn it down now. There's another thread around here where it was suggested that INTP brains already function like stoned ones!

MDMA/Ecstasy: I used this once and it was simultaneously the most intense feeling of my life and me at my lowest ebb. I was sitting on the floor drinking cartons of apple juice, spilling it down my chest...except I had the great idea to put an ice cube tray under me, and then freeze them into tiny apple juice ice cubes...the hangover/comedown was manageable as I just lay in bed listening to country music for the rest of the day (possibly because I'd just spent four hours watching a country music box set infomercial on a loop with a friend)

Cocaine: Used this a few times, made my heart beat real fast and I couldn't stop talking. Doesn't last long and wears off quickly. Cocaine has a reputation as a party drug, but it doesn't bring people together, it just makes you talk about yourself.

Speed: Took this once. The night went by in a flash. Intense experience with an absolutely revolting comedown. Can't really remember much, except when everyone else went to bed I filled a bucket with soapy water and cleaned my friend's house from top to bottom.

:)
 

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I checked all of them :facepalm:


To be honest, I believe some drugs have extremely positive effects on INTPs, while others are totally pointless to use. From my experience, DMT, LSD, Mushrooms and MDMA are the by far the most interesting drugs to experiment. They are so mind-opening and life-changing that they can be compared to traveling across the world.

As an introvert, empathogens have spectacular effects on me. MDMA made me aware of my social anxiety and depression problems on the first trip, which completely changed my life. It also eventually got rid of them after a few more trips. However, I have found street ecstasy to be rather destructive psychologically... it's not rare to find caffeine, DXM, (meth)amphetamine, beta-ketones/cathinones, piperazines, MDXXs, 2C-Xs and random serotonergic agents laced together in different combinations in those pills.

I have also seen some potential in nootropics (I have tried piracetam, aniracetam, picamilon, ghinko biloba and some others). They seem to temporarily enhance memory, thought processing and problem solving at the cost of inhibiting creativity. They can be useful in some contexts, but they are useless if overdone. Piracetam and picamelon greatly helped me quit smoking.
 

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To be honest, I believe some drugs have extremely positive effects on INTPs, while others are totally pointless to use. From my experience, DMT, LSD, Mushrooms and MDMA are the by far the most interesting drugs to experiment. They are so mind-opening and life-changing that they can be compared to traveling across the world.

As an introvert, empathogens have spectacular effects on me. MDMA made me aware of my social anxiety and depression problems on the first trip, which completely changed my life. It also eventually got rid of them after a few more trips. However, I have found street ecstasy to be rather destructive psychologically... it's not rare to find caffeine, DXM, (meth)amphetamine, beta-ketones/cathinones, piperazines, MDXXs, 2C-Xs and random serotonergic agents laced together in different combinations in those pills.

Yes yes yes. Drugs funnily enough can bring extremely positive things if done intelligently, which always suprises people as it is never portrayed this way in social media. They're an experience like any other, bad if abused.
 

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I want to find out about heroin, which is a drug I am reticent to try but I am curious about (as I am with all of them). If you've tried heroin (injecting, smoking snorting whatever) and don't mind relating your experience can you PM me? I want to find out just how addictive it really is and if it's feasible to try it once intelligently and without getting addicted.

Please no morons who haven't tried it inboxing me telling me I'm throwing my life away considering it, this isn't yahoo answers. I doubt many people here would anyway, but you never know, nothing infuriates me more than "OMG!!! Pease please please don't do it, you're gonna die!!!" or variants of that. :D
 

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I want to find out about heroin, which is a drug I am reticent to try but I am curious about (as I am with all of them). If you've tried heroin (injecting, smoking snorting whatever) and don't mind relating your experience can you PM me? I want to find out just how addictive it really is and if it's feasible to try it once intelligently and without getting addicted.

Please no morons who haven't tried it inboxing me telling me I'm throwing my life away considering it, this isn't yahoo answers. I doubt many people here would anyway, but you never know, nothing infuriates me more than "OMG!!! Pease please please don't do it, you're gonna die!!!" or variants of that. :D

Have you ever taken morphine? Its basically extremely potent morphine, heroin is converted to morphine once it passes the blood-brain barrier.

You wont have a mystical experience or anything, you'll just be reduced to a non functioning body full of pleasure and sensitivity. I personally haven't tried heroin, but I have tried morphine, I basically just sat around listening to music feeling good. You wont get addicted your first time, unless you're THAT easy to break.
 

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Why do you believe that's the case? @Boo

That's simply from personal experience.. my creativity really does get impaired by racetams, but I can't scientifically give any evidence. For instance, I've never been able to compose a potable 10 seconds of music while on the influence. However I think some people get enhanced creativity from it.

I want to find out about heroin, which is a drug I am reticent to try but I am curious about (as I am with all of them). If you've tried heroin (injecting, smoking snorting whatever) and don't mind relating your experience can you PM me?

I've tried smoking heroin once a few years ago. The effect is very nice... physically, the feeling is similar to the chills you get in your back when you raise the water temperature in your shower, but literally everywhere in your body. It is also comparable to sitting next to a campfire when your'e cold, but tenfold. You also fall in a half-dreaming/half-awake trance that kind of feel like pausing your life. You feel untouchable and all your problems don't have any importance to you. You feel comfortable everywhere, a bit like if you were floating in the void. Scientifically, this is because heroin breaks down into morphine in your brain, which mimics endorphin (natural painkiller). Your brain gets flooded by endorphin signals, thus creating a fake "ultimate comfort" feeling.

The drawback is that heroin is very physically addictive... which means that the hangover is very, very bad, and the only way to relieve it is to take more heroin. So if you want to try it, your best bet is avoiding at all cost to use it more than once in a month. It is totally feasible, but it does require some self-control. If you want to do it, be also prepared to the fact that under the influence, you neglect the importance of problems and potential dangers, which means you could take more heroin because "you don't give a fuck".
 

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That's simply from personal experience.. my creativity really does get impaired by racetams, but I can't scientifically give any evidence. For instance, I've never been able to compose a potable 10 seconds of music while on the influence. However I think some people get enhanced creativity from it.

@Boo

So, without getting into neuroscience, do you think these nootropics temporarily impair Ne and enhance Ti somehow? Ti analysis at the expense of Ne creativity?
 

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I've tried smoking heroin once a few years ago. The effect is very nice... physically, the feeling is similar to the chills you get in your back when you raise the water temperature in your shower, but literally everywhere in your body. It is also comparable to sitting next to a campfire when your'e cold, but tenfold. You also fall in a half-dreaming/half-awake trance that kind of feel like pausing your life. You feel untouchable and all your problems don't have any importance to you. You feel comfortable everywhere, a bit like if you were floating in the void. Scientifically, this is because heroin breaks down into morphine in your brain, which mimics endorphin (natural painkiller). Your brain gets flooded by endorphin signals, thus creating a fake "ultimate comfort" feeling.

The drawback is that heroin is very physically addictive... which means that the hangover is very, very bad, and the only way to relieve it is to take more heroin. So if you want to try it, your best bet is avoiding at all cost to use it more than once in a month. It is totally feasible, but it does require some self-control. If you want to do it, be also prepared to the fact that under the influence, you neglect the importance of problems and potential dangers, which means you could take more heroin because "you don't give a fuck".

Very good info, thank you. I'm still open to more if anybody else wants to add anything.
 

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Heroin has become a big deal in my hometown, and it isn't just rejects or social outcasts who use it. Football stars are OD'ing in their bedrooms to later be found by shocked parents. I have a former friend who got hooked and has been in and out of jail since. Also heard of sightings of former classmates strung out on the street in the Haight Ashbury district of SF. Really doesn't seem to me like something to be trifled with, even if it is supposedly the greatest feeling on earth. I'd rather not know.

I've stuck to the "safer" stuff: alcohol, tobacco, marijuana, mushrooms. Really sensitive to stimulants so I won't go any stronger than a cup of coffee. Smoke cigarettes on and off. Stopped drinking as much after things got out of hand. Still enjoy smoking weed now and again as a way to relax.

Doing mushrooms was a pretty significant and transformative experience, and I approached as a journey more than a new high, with one of my more experienced close friends remaining sober as my spirit guide. Been thinking about doing it again sometime if I'm in the right environment.
 
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Just got a letter from a friend describing their first 25c-NBOMe trip. They used simple dilution in water and whiskey to produce a solution, and then made their own 250ug blotters using acid-free herbarium paper, using 2.5.

They describe it as very strong. They experienced what they described as a manic stupor. Very "boingy" and awake for 16 hours. They felt above the world and inside of it simultaneously and were overwhelmed by connections. They saw lots of visuals that weren't of their own creation, layered visuals; visuals on top of visuals, each with its own mind. Light hurt. The world was nonliving but the nonliving was alive and had a rhythmic unsteadiness that allowed them to become at peace with all of the world and time and the future. They were scared shitless of taxidermy and covered it in blankets and prayed for the animal spirits to cycle through, which they did. They could feel China. Colors were teased out of their spectrum like 80s hair. Their body felt very weird, and they moved it a lot, sort of re-exploring their own anatomy. This urge frequently interrupted them throughout the day. Time was distorted. They crawled on the ground and stared into a mirror for hours and covered themselves in fingernail polish that didn't taste good. They turned into a bear, a beaver, and an owl. They saw a demon that wasn't a demon and became the cat. They peed on the floor. They enjoyed cleaning it up listening to music. They were disturbed by the not so nice songs so they could only listen to happy songs. They ate chili with a Little Debbie brownie in it and found it orgasmic. The orgasm was contained within the mouth and did not transfer when rubbed on the belly. They kicked ass in photoshop and then took melatonin and trazodone to fall asleep. They woke up tired with a rare headache and drank a lot of beverages.
 

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I never tried any of these drugs accept caffeine which has very minor effect on me. I did try alcohol however I don't drink because I never drank more then one slip with out wanting to vomit, because I hate the taste of ethanol no matter how much it is masked by other flavors. Therefore I have never been drunk and I don't know what that feels like. I don't know if drugs are the correct chose for anyone however, in my years I have never honestly talked to anyone that didn't regret starting a drug they then became addicted too. I know that I have an addictive personality and if I find something stimulating I will go back to it time and time again. This is just normal day to day things that stimulate endorphins in my brain (like sex). Since I am fully away of my lack of ability to control my desires of stimulating activities. I figure at lest for me it a bad idea to go down this path.

Secondly many of the things you guys have described as reaction to being high I already experience when I get lost in thought. Therefore if I can share these experiences without the uses of toxins than I chose to live my life that way.
 
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lol thb. Our minds + weed = exponential thought processes, fun, but sometimes down right double looping scary. @Chad, Just because you think you can think like someone when they're in an altered state of mind, doesn't mean you do, in fact, it's probably the exact opposite. But all the more power to you to dream on and mind your own mind.
 

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I am only giving my own opinion. I really don't care what other people do. Its not my business.
 

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So!

Instead of starting a new thread for this, I'll just ask it here (I've looked around online and numbers vary).
I trust you all more anyway :)
I'm planning on my first psychedelic experience this weekend with a close buddy of mine, with the help of some mushrooms.

My question is: what do you guys recommend for dosage? I know it varies from person to person and from mushroom to mushroom but could I just get a reasonable estimate? I would rather be on the safe side than go overboard... seeing as I've delved deep into bad trips before with other drugs due to overdose or bad surroundings.

Also be aware that I seemingly get more 'messed up' than my friends do.

For instance, if a bowl of weed is shared by myself and a buddy, I inevitably cannot even finish it as before it is done my mind is blown already.

Don't know if it matters, but I've smoked only once in the past two months (and it was several weeks ago).

@joal0503
@snafupants
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@Boo

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You dont want to get "too messed up"?

An eighth of dried shrooms will get you started if you want to have mind warpage. If you just want to experience subtle effects go with 2-3 grams. I had a 2 gram trip and it was pretty fun, but it could have been better if I took more
 

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So!

Instead of starting a new thread for this, I'll just ask it here (I've looked around online and numbers vary).
I trust you all more anyway :)
I'm planning on my first psychedelic experience this weekend with a close buddy of mine, with the help of some mushrooms.

My question is: what do you guys recommend for dosage? I know it varies from person to person and from mushroom to mushroom but could I just get a reasonable estimate? I would rather be on the safe side than go overboard... seeing as I've delved deep into bad trips before with other drugs due to overdose or bad surroundings.

Also be aware that I seemingly get more 'messed up' than my friends do.

For instance, if a bowl of weed is shared by myself and a buddy, I inevitably cannot even finish it as before it is done my mind is blown already.

Don't know if it matters, but I've smoked only once in the past two months (and it was several weeks ago).

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@Boo

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@The Introvert

Perceived intensity depends heavily on whether the mushrooms are dried, species, and growing conditions. Psilocybin Cubensis is a pretty common species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis

Here's basically how magic mushrooms operate.

Psilocin is the pharmacologically active agent in the body after ingestion of psilocybin or some species of psychedelic mushrooms.

Psilocybin is rapidly dephosphorylated in the body to psilocin which acts as a 5HT2A, 5HT2C and 5HT1A agonist. Psilocin is structurally similar to serotonin (5-HT), differing only by the hydroxyl group being on the 4-position rather than the 5 and the dimethyl groups on the nitrogen. Its effects are thought to come from its partial agonist activity at 5-HT2A serotonin receptors in the prefrontal cortex.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin

Typically, though, two grams of dried psilocybin would be a moderate dose and four dried grams or higher would be pretty heavy.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_dose.shtml

Other readers: feel free to revise the above. All things being equal, between two and three grams seems suitable for a first-time dose. Leave the car keys in the jar.

The foregoing information is intended for informational purposes only. :p
 

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I am only giving my own opinion. I really don't care what other people do. Its not my business.

I don't know why, but when I meet people who share your point of view, I'm absolutely desperate to make them try stuff :D I think I just love drugs too much. Some of them have brought/taught me such wonderful experiences. Still, maybe if you never take them you would reach these mindsets naturally at some point? I'm an unhealthy person I guess. Oh well.
 

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I want to find out just how addictive it really is and if it's feasible to try it once intelligently and without getting addicted.

It largely depends on the person. I personally wouldn't do it with heroin. When I was younger I lived in an area that was, 'notorious' (according to the news at the time) for heroin addicts. Dealers would give out a hit free, because they knew there was a high possibility that after one injection people would be back for more and willing to pay.

I never tried it, didn't cross my mind to be honest. I guess it's just not the sort of drug I'd consider the, 'experimental' type.

Experimentation with drugs isn't something that crosses my mind very often.
 

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I think I just love drugs too much. Some of them have brought/taught me such wonderful experiences.

I'm curious, what's the worst experience you've ever had on "drugs?"
 

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So!

I trust you all more anyway :)

My first time was 1.8g shared with the gf via Tea. She gobbled up the soaked shroomers left behind after we finished drinking. Now these were home grown goodness, so the ~0.9 grams each was enough to put me and her into outer space for a good 3-4 hours(total effects around 7-8 hours), have time stop, all that goodness. It was so good because I couldn't understand what was going on. We had each other(which was amazing, just playing with each others bodies, blasting some music, when one got scared the other was there), locked ourselves in my room for a long time, took courage to unlock the door and walk down the hallway to go pee. Got lost in a mirror for a half an hour. Then spent lots of time in a nice big backyard winding down, getting lost in the grass and loving the warmth of the sun beat down on our bodies.

Now remember, this wasn't your normal shrooms, these were, grown with love, and they were "Penis Envy". I'm pretty sure I picked those because of their increased potency, hence the lower dosage.

Now I can offer you this advice, you can always take more. If it's your first time. I smoked while the trip was approaching me, I believe it took around 30-60 minutes to hit me, and once it did, oh boy did I step though a wormhole.
 

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@The Introvert

Perceived intensity depends heavily on whether the mushrooms are dried, species, and growing conditions. Psilocybin Cubensis is a pretty common species.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocybe_cubensis

Here's basically how magic mushrooms operate.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psilocin

Typically, though, two grams of dried psilocybin would be a moderate dose and four dried grams or higher would be pretty heavy.

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_dose.shtml

Other readers: feel free to revise the above. All things being equal, between two and three grams seems suitable for a first-time dose. Leave the car keys in the jar.

The foregoing information is intended for informational purposes only. :p

I'm familiar with most of the chemistry behind psilocybin (yay o-chem/personal interest!), and I'm more concerned with personal accounts/recommendations rather than mechanisms ^_^

As a side note: I actually have a molecular model of N,N DMT (dimethyltryptamine) that I created sitting next to me as I type this :o - structurally speaking, DMT and psilocin are pretty similar.
 

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I'm familiar with most of the chemistry behind psilocybin (yay o-chem/personal interest!), and I'm more concerned with personal accounts/recommendations rather than mechanisms ^_^

As a side note: I actually have a molecular model of N,N DMT (dimethyltryptamine) that I created sitting next to me as I type this :o - structurally speaking, DMT and psilocin are pretty similar.

Yeah, the beginning of the book, DMT: The Spirit Molecule, has diagrams. :elephant:

With the information I left on your wall, you should be good to go. Good luck!
 

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This thread is intense. >.>

I have an addictive personality and lack strong connections to reality so I avoid drugs. Just in case.
 

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I'm curious, what's the worst experience you've ever had on "drugs?"

Honestly thought I was in the process of dying once. That was quite bad, well actually I sort of accepted it after a bit and felt really calm. Wouldn't like that to happen again though. I'm sure many stupider/braver people than me have had much worse though. I'm relatively inexperienced in psychedelics which apparently produce the scariest effects.
 

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Honestly thought I was in the process of dying once. That was quite bad, well actually I sort of accepted it after a bit and felt really calm. Wouldn't like that to happen again though. I'm sure many stupider/braver people than me have had much worse though. I'm relatively inexperienced in psychedelics which apparently produce the scariest effects.

I guess the reason I ask is because you seem to be romanticizing how wonderful drugs can be and stating outright that you don't want to be warned about the potential risks of using heroin from anyone who hasn't done it themselves. All of this strikes me as immensely naive.

Don't get me wrong, having a bad trip can certainly be a traumatic experience, but it's like a bad dream or a scary movie: you wake up and everything goes back to normal. Being physically dependent on a substance to the point where it nearly kills you is something else entirely. It's somewhere I've been and don't want to return to. It's also the sort of monster you seem be flirting with.
 

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So!

Instead of starting a new thread for this, I'll just ask it here (I've looked around online and numbers vary).
I trust you all more anyway :)
I'm planning on my first psychedelic experience this weekend with a close buddy of mine, with the help of some mushrooms.

My question is: what do you guys recommend for dosage? I know it varies from person to person and from mushroom to mushroom but could I just get a reasonable estimate? I would rather be on the safe side than go overboard... seeing as I've delved deep into bad trips before with other drugs due to overdose or bad surroundings.

It obviously varies, but you can sort of be safe just going off of the dried weight of the whole mushrooms. If you are getting dust or concentrate, then definitely seek a more accurate method of measurement. Something like 1.5 to 2 grams (or 1.7 if you got a dealer doing the eighths scale) would probably be enough to induce the sort of calming effect, with a little bit of visuals, and the sense of peace. But as far as full blown ego dissolution, you'd probably start with 3 grams.

BEST thing to do? just start out small. Maybe a gram or gram and a half to begin and see how you feel. DONT dose up more...but just save the reference for a later experience. Then sort of work your way up, it not only is safe but its smart and helps keep ur mind at peace knowing that you KNOW what your limits are, and what to expect with the amount you just took. AND also important to note, like any other substance you ingest...for best effects MAKE SURE UR on an empty stomach (fast for at least 8 hours).


Also be aware that I seemingly get more 'messed up' than my friends do

hmmmm...think of it as a gift :D.


For instance, if a bowl of weed is shared by myself and a buddy, I inevitably cannot even finish it as before it is done my mind is blown already.

cannabis will not have the same effect as psilocybin in these respects. I know cannabis users, their tolerance varies a great deal, depending on the frequency, amount, and potency of the strains. But safe to say, if you were to smoke up large amounts every day (as probably your buddies have) then Id guess that sort of "omg, my mind is blown" is replaced with a "im a functioning stoner". With mushrooms, this doesnt seem to have the same correlation, but I cant say that Ive ever really tried using mushrooms like cannabis (errry day yooo), so whatevs.

Don't know if it matters, but I've smoked only once in the past two months (and it was several weeks ago).

@joal0503
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And of course any others

I'm familiar with most of the chemistry behind psilocybin (yay o-chem/personal interest!), and I'm more concerned with personal accounts/recommendations rather than mechanisms ^_^

My first dose, I can still remember it like it was yesterday....2.0 grams of cubensis + a glass of water...took about a half hour for it to kick in...and I got to watch the sun set over a pond...absolutely beautiful the way the ripples started to vibrate, the entire aura of the sun over the water...god i must have sat their for at least an hour just watching ...

I would guess that I have a faster metabolism than most average folk, or at least my body seems to shed weight fast. But that amount was enough for all 150 pounds of myself. Again, I dont want to be like, "you have to do it this way" so dont take this as that. Start out with what feels COMFORTABLE, and work your way up.


As a side note: I actually have a molecular model of N,N DMT (dimethyltryptamine) that I created sitting next to me as I type this :o - structurally speaking, DMT and psilocin are pretty similar.

Have you checked out their similarities to serotonin??


BUT REALLLLYZ ! My advice is based off of experience, but before experience I had to research and figure this stuff out for myself...

while wikipedia and other more academic approaches DO give good technical information....if you havent already CHECK OUT EROWID.ORG - its like the bible for this sort of stuff...combination of academic material + user submitted experiences, which makes for one hell of a database of knowledge.

DOSAGE:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_dose.shtml
 

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BUT REALLLLYZ ! My advice is based off of experience, but before experience I had to research and figure this stuff out for myself...

while wikipedia and other more academic approaches DO give good technical information....if you havent already CHECK OUT EROWID.ORG - its like the bible for this sort of stuff...combination of academic material + user submitted experiences, which makes for one hell of a database of knowledge.

DOSAGE:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_dose.shtml

Yeah, I'm familiar with erowid. I go on there a lot for references and personal experiences. I just wanted to get a second opinion from you guys because:
1) It's always good to get second opinions
2) I trust you more than random online posts (which is what this is, but work with me here)

As for serotonin, yes, I'm aware of the similarities. Actually, doesn't psilocin adhere to serotonin receptors? I was looking at some stuff last night and some sites were hinting at a possible use against depression because of its stunting qualities on serotonin (which is overactive in patients with depression, apparently).
 

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Yeah, I'm familiar with erowid. I go on there a lot for references and personal experiences. I just wanted to get a second opinion from you guys because:
1) It's always good to get second opinions
2) I trust you more than random online posts (which is what this is, but work with me here)

As for serotonin, yes, I'm aware of the similarities. Actually, doesn't psilocin adhere to serotonin receptors? I was looking at some stuff last night and some sites were hinting at a possible use against depression because of its stunting qualities on serotonin (which is overactive in patients with depression, apparently).

yes, it has a strong affinity for serotonin receptors. as far as dopamine, you get nothing.

this article is a good one for a basic breakdown if ur interested...even has a little bit in there about its potential against depression. one of the more fascinating things about the powerful entheogens, is that you wouldnt really need to be dosing on a daily basis (like an SSRI) for treating depression. just one experience can completely change your perspective...the article cites the john hopkins study done awhile ago...its sort of silly, but common sense weve known for a long time..."you mean psychedelic drugs can make people feel happier? nooo wayyy..."

http://www.thinkingzygote.com/2011/09/how-magic-psilocybin-mushrooms-work.html


Today the role of Psilocin will be played by munchkin cats, and serotonin will be represented again by welsh corgis.


This physical similarity allows the Psilocin to bind with serotonin receptors, thus exciting the nerves and causing the brain to activate as if a flood of real serotonin has been released.


With the addition of psilocin in the brain, the postsynaptic cell is able to fire without the presence of any actual serotonin on the receptors themselves.



Groovy.

i forgot to add, happy trippin'! hope things go well for you, if you decide to go on a little adventure. glad to see youre takin a more thorough approach with your usage!
 

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There are three rules with psychadelics that you should always be aware of. This should be a consistent mantra for anyone experiencing psychedelic drugs:

1: You wont die.

2: You will land.

3: These are just thoughts and visions. Not truths. You are subjective.


And three precautions:


1: Be safe. No knifes, no weapons, don't get out on roofs. Have a sitter if it's your first time, or if you feel you need one for any reason.

2: Be comfortable. You want a nice environment. Buy some snacks, download your favourite series. Whatever puts you in your element.

3: Be in good company. Don't hang around with idiots and other people you don't like.


And then, the world is pretty much yours.
 

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There are three rules with psychadelics that you should always be aware of. This should be a consistent mantra for anyone experiencing psychedelic drugs:

1: You wont die.

2: You will land.

3: These are just thoughts and visions. Not truths. You are subjective.
The only one of these I may have a problem with is the last one. Sometimes, (unfortunately) I tend to look too deeply into something.

And three precautions:


1: Be safe. No knifes, no weapons, don't get out on roofs. Have a sitter if it's your first time, or if you feel you need one for any reason.

2: Be comfortable. You want a nice environment. Buy some snacks, download your favourite series. Whatever puts you in your element.

3: Be in good company. Don't hang around with idiots and other people you don't like.


And then, the world is pretty much yours.
Got all of this taken care of ^_^ I know how important it is to have a safety net, and optimal "set and setting".

Thank you for the advice!
 

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i forgot to add, happy trippin'! hope things go well for you, if you decide to go on a little adventure. glad to see youre takin a more thorough approach with your usage!

I'll definitely take a look into your link.

And thanks! I'll probably end up posting a 'first time' thread after the experience, or something of the likes. In case you cared, three buddies and I are takin' a trip together, splitting a 1/4. Should be interesting indeed, especially considering three of us are first-timers!

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I guess the reason I ask is because you seem to be romanticizing how wonderful drugs can be and stating outright that you don't want to be warned about the potential risks of using heroin from anyone who hasn't done it themselves. All of this strikes me as immensely naive.

Don't get me wrong, having a bad trip can certainly be a traumatic experience, but it's like a bad dream or a scary movie: you wake up and everything goes back to normal. Being physically dependent on a substance to the point where it nearly kills you is something else entirely. It's somewhere I've been and don't want to return to. It's also the sort of monster you seem be flirting with.

Oh. No, I'm not romanticizing, I know what drugs do. I don't want anyone to start talking about the bad effects because I've read up on practically every story I can find about addicts and the vicious circle of heroin. That's the thing, I've heard all the bad sides, I would like to hear the other things. Alot of the time people ignore your question and jump straight in to telling you you're crazy or naive for considering it.

I have people in my surroundings very close to me who have problems with MDMA, cocaine and alcohol, respectively. I know the risks. It's true I don't know any heroin addicts. And it seems to be the most addictive, which is why I stated I was reluctant to try it. I"m still in the process of gathering info.
 

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Oh. No, I'm not romanticizing, I know what drugs do. I don't want anyone to start talking about the bad effects because I've read up on practically every story I can find about addicts and the vicious circle of heroin. That's the thing, I've heard all the bad sides, I would like to hear the other things. Alot of the time people ignore your question and jump straight in to telling you you're crazy or naive for considering it.

I have people in my surroundings very close to me who have problems with MDMA, cocaine and alcohol, respectively. I know the risks. It's true I don't know any heroin addicts. And it seems to be the most addictive, which is why I stated I was reluctant to try it. I"m still in the process of gathering info.
Research is the key. There is also the thing with investigators of serial killers, tend to become so themselves. Unsure if that is a myth though.

A girl in my class when I grew up ended up on heroin. That was the last thing she did. Same with a guy a few classes up I had contact with. But both these had family issues. So may have been damned from the beginning, dunno. It remains true though that they both made it through a whole lot of crap. And most everyone I know have abused alcohol, but non ever died, not directly at least. A few borderline alcoholics. It clearly can't be compared. The two I know about who tried heroin, both died relatively shortly after. Maybe a coincidence.

But I shall admit I am curious about the down trip. How that is like, I've heard it's real bad. It's the day after I like best with alcohol too. I find it incredible odd people who do pain killers, coke etc, and continue to drink during the hang over, to avoid it. It's the best part IMO.
 

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Oh. No, I'm not romanticizing, I know what drugs do. I don't want anyone to start talking about the bad effects because I've read up on practically every story I can find about addicts and the vicious circle of heroin. That's the thing, I've heard all the bad sides, I would like to hear the other things. Alot of the time people ignore your question and jump straight in to telling you you're crazy or naive for considering it.

I have people in my surroundings very close to me who have problems with MDMA, cocaine and alcohol, respectively. I know the risks. It's true I don't know any heroin addicts. And it seems to be the most addictive, which is why I stated I was reluctant to try it. I"m still in the process of gathering info.

Research is the key. There is also the thing with investigators of serial killers, tend to become so themselves. Unsure if that is a myth though.

A girl in my class when I grew up ended up on heroin. That was the last thing she did. Same with a guy a few classes up I had contact with. But both these had family issues. So may have been damned from the beginning, dunno. It remains true though that they both made it through a whole lot of crap. And most everyone I know have abused alcohol, but non ever died, not directly at least. A few borderline alcoholics. It clearly can't be compared. The two I know about who tried heroin, both died relatively shortly after. Maybe a coincidence.

But I shall admit I am curious about the down trip. How that is like, I've heard it's real bad. It's the day after I like best with alcohol too. I find it incredible odd people who do pain killers, coke etc, and continue to drink during the hang over, to avoid it. It's the best part IMO.

yea, you dont want to fuck around with opiates. highly addictive. and highly available. growing up in a pleasant little rich kid suburb it sort of disgusted me, but at the same time i could see just how easily people got hooked.

grab the pills from their parents, couple weeks later they have an addiction. and the biggest problem is that if the habit isn't dealt with, it only gets worse. the cheaper alternative, or a fix, is to simply start using heroin. the legal variety of opiates, are harder and more expensive to get.

but thats what i recall seeing the most. people didnt just needle up and start throwin junk in their veins. it usually stemmed from a prior history of prescription opiate abuse. which to me, is an entirely separate issue of its own.
 

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4 ac0 DMT lasts much much longer, about 6 to 9 hours, you can find it as a furmarate or freebase. It's an amazing chemical. Not once have I ever had a bad experience. It's very gentle but will take you as deep as any other psychedelic.

Instead of giving you a Terence Mckenna style breakdown on it I will try to explain why it's legal and in doing so hopefully give you an idea what it's like:

So, as I understand it, Psilocin is legal, it only becomes not so when it is converted into psilocybin. This is why it's legal to order spores you just can't grow anything. So your ingesting Psilsocin which gets turned into Psilocybin in your body. It is comparable to mushrooms, but it's much less confusing and as I mentioned, gentle.
Also, I would add that, to me, it's like DMT, mushrooms and acid all rolled up in one.
If you have read about or have experience with these then just think for a moment what it would be like to take them all at the same time. That's basically 4 ac0 DMT.
You have an amazing sleep and wake up feeling great no matter the time that you take it. I'm pretty good at going deep into the thing and the nature of the chemical requires you to be. I've only had a difficult time on other psychedelics when I've not taken enough. It makes you anxious if you do that because you're kind of tripping but not. I also do the basic things like clearing your mind ect. before taking anything. I also have a certain framework when taking these things.

The doses I took were very high but a few times I took a mild dose then after maybe 2 hours it (the drug, your consciousness ect.) tells you either 1, that's it that's good you took enough, or 2, please take some more, there's much to show you. Haha. If you have never taken a heavy psychedelic I'm sure that sounds nuts but you just need to accept that it's your brain, maybe a part we do not usually use, talking to you. You become the observer and the observed.
 
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So... Had to update because I didn't find anything for:

Harmala. No more than 3-4g.

Euphoric happiness, hot yet good body vibes, and a smile stuck to your face. Strong antidepressant effects 48 hours later.

Tastes not so nice though, so add sugar to tea or make harmala cookies. Both reduce nausea (sip tea slowly). And of course follow the guidelines on what you shouldn't eat 12 hours before and after because harmala is an MAOI. Don't kill yourself.

And of course we should all know about the other half, perpetuation, etc., etc.
 

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I am only giving my own opinion. I really don't care what other people do. Its not my business.

"dont criticize me unlike other users i am magically immune to criticism because i am has personal opinion and thus need not bother with mundane things such as making sense"
 

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I've done everything on the list except for heroin and LSD. Other opiates never did much for me. Avoided LSD because I am wary of my own latent schizophrenia (50% Irish genetics, y'all).

Most drugs give me anxiety, probably because I am somewhat dissociated from experience and confused by not being in control of my brain and/or having feelings. The only drugs I've craved and been addicted to were stimulants. But when the costs began to outweigh the benefits I was able to stop on my own, both times. A nightmare toward the end though. It's important to have support in quitting but I was too proud and secretive. I think I was drawn to stimulants because they gave me the energy to fake my way through social situations and the concentration to complete projects.

The first and only time I tried ketamine I did it alone and floated through the Tenderloin while listening to Enya and Burial on headphones. Sounds goofy as fuck but it was surreal, amazing. With echo-y music like that your mind fills in the gaps, sound is enhanced so much and vibes like turning up the wetness on a synthesizer. Really fucking dangerous place to be alone without sound but I was oblivious and simultaneously gloomy but euphoric. Kind of obsessed with dissociatives but I won't let myself near them again because I am so infatuated with both the experience and the idea of them. The ketamine section on Erowid is a fun read.
 
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