Possible difference between INTPs and ENTPs

[Grayman]

Some of the things you say, are exquisite.

More accurate Translation

Some of the things digitalbum read of Jennys stuff is more intricate and beautiful in comparison to what digitalbum is used to seeing, at least from his measure of what intricate and beautiful is.


No grayman is not trying to be an #@$ , he is just being accurate.

Maybe ditialbum could tell us what intricate and beautiful is?

 

[digitalbum]

More accurate Translation

Some of the things digitalbum read of Jennys stuff is more intricate and beautiful in comparison to what digitalbum is used to seeing, at least from his measure of what intricate and beautiful is.


No grayman is not trying to be an #@$ , he is just being accurate.

Maybe ditialbum could tell us what intricate and beautiful is?

Trenchant comments on what is really going on, in a tidy little box with humorous colors and a poetic ribbon on top, tied in a lovely bow of utter confidence.

 

[Grayman]

Trenchant comments on what is really going on, in a tidy little box with humorous colors and a poetic ribbon on top, tied in a lovely bow of utter confidence.

Now I understand.

Thank you.

 

[Grayman]

digitalbum,

I had an odd image when experiencing many of your posts.

I saw child with a gleeful face poking a dying animal suffering great agony. I had feeling of those who parent the child being fearful of what it will become.

Pherhaps you could help me determine the meaning of this vision?

 

[Jennywocky]

The formality is correct but also the reverse can occure to equal proportions when emotions get a flinging.

I 'see' more ego in them simply because I associate ego with the objective morality they seem to keep in their back pocket incase they ever have an argument.

There's an underlying Ni perception of reality that can result in moralism, if you manage to break their Fe exterior. Bwa ha ha.

I keep thelling them there really is nothing in their pocket but their subjective point of view but they will noot listen.

I wasn't sure if you were Dutch, but now your accent has given you away! Double Bwa ha ha ha!

Some of the things you say, are exquisite.

Consider me the aged sipping whiskey stored in the forum basement.

 

[Cherry Cola]

If someone insults ME during an argument. Like a "oh yeah? well, you're dumb!" Then, well the argument's pretty much over. That's when the "ok now I'm going to play the insult your very soul game" Often involving mom jokes, or going straight for perceived weaknesses. Or, if it's a total dick that's seriously trying to provoke a fight, just a good solid punch to the trachea. Heeehee.

That is not how you insult the very soul of someone, you do that by analyzing their person on your own, then looking at some of their old posts for signs that you are somewhat correct, then if you are you ad-hom them somewhat ambigously based on your somewhat correct picture of who they are by bringing forth character flaws and trying to paint them out as if though they were useless human beings. Then they hopefully start losing their ability to make sense, thus becoming easy targets for further insults. They may also start making sense because they might be afraid that others will believe you are correct in your assessment of their character causing them to desperately defend themselves which you must then proclaim as confirmation that you were right because otherwise they wouldn't have gotten so upset.

Though doing so runs the risk of the one you are doing it to or some third calling you on it in which case you're fucked and a character flaw of your own is exposed. Then, knowing what might happen if you push it despite being exposed you should almost always instantly retreat while making sure to apologize at the same time.

 

[Cherry Cola]

There's a range of behavior. Usually the ones with highly developed Ti tert can engage pretty strongly. The typical INFJ need for personal privacy / the Fe aux leads them to keep their cool and maintain an even outer decor. Not always, of course; and not all; but there's more of a "formality" that I see in the engagement.

I think ENTPs (and somewhat the INTPs) are more likely to shoot from the hip + be willing to heat things up a little not even out of anger but just to see what the other guy's response reveals about him. Emotions can be used as "testing points" rather than as an accurate in-the-moment unconscious expression of feeling. Or "Hmm, is that really that guy's argument? Okay, what if I push his buttons a little and see what he REALLY thinks?" I think that approach is more common to the ENTPs, but INTPs sometimes do it (more subtlely) when they want to. It's even an ESTP/ISTP thing -- or basically a TP thing in general. The ETPs are more prone to it.

I will shoot from the hip as well, though typically in anticipation rather than blindly. I get a sense that if I do this then this will probably happen, urging me to confirm whether my foresight is correct or not. Alternatively when I want a certain piece of data because I need that one piece to make sense of things I might try to extract it from someone by indirect and/or dubious means. But I guess that's more deliberate.

 

[Grayman]

That is not how you insult the very soul of someone, you do that by analyzing their person on your own, then looking at some of their old posts for signs that you are somewhat correct, then if you are you ad-hom them somewhat ambigously based on your somewhat correct picture of who they are by bringing forth character flaws and trying to paint them out as if though they were useless human beings. Then they hopefully start losing their ability to make sense, thus becoming easy targets for further insults. They may also start making sense because they might be afraid that others will believe you are correct in your assessment of their character causing them to desperately defend themselves which you must then proclaim as confirmation that you were right because otherwise they wouldn't have gotten so upset.

Though doing so runs the risk of the one you are doing it to or some third calling you on it in which case you're fucked and a character flaw of your own is exposed. Then, knowing what might happen if you push it despite being exposed you should almost always instantly retreat while making sure to apologize at the same time.

That is accurate to what I see accuring.

I don't see how all that could be enjoyable for the person cutting into someone's soul, speciallly when you are likely going to suffer from attempting it.

 

[Cherry Cola]

It is not a good thing to do, but that's how you do it :P

 

[Grayman]

It is not a good thing to do, but that's how you do it :P

Good for whom?

I am under the belief that man should understand who he really is. I believe it good for the other person to realize the truth of who he is. For me it is a necessary task to show him but it is a self sacraficing task and one I do not enjoy.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Yes but accuracy was only instrumental in the example I gave, the point being to cause a certain effect. But you are right because you can insult someones very soul without just doing to cause a certain effect.

In the example I gave, it is good for neither the one who does it nor the one who suffers it. Though, come to think of it, there are actually circumstances under which it may be a good thing to do. Such as when you need to expose some manipulative fucker who is acting like a guru. Or when someone is spreading falsehood which people are taking at face value because they do not question her/him owing to his social status. Even if it is done with bad intentions.

If you actually just want to show a person who he really is to better let said person understand said persons person then you should probably try not to do it in the form of an attack unless you want to run the risk of triggering denial.

 

[Grayman]

Though, come to think of it, there are actually circumstances under which it may be a good thing to do. Such as when you need to expose some manipulative fucker who is acting like a guru.

If you speak of me, be clear about it. Although it may not be clear simply because you do not speak about me and I am parnoid. Or perhaps there is truth so my parnoia is simply evidence leaking through my denial.

If you actually just want to show a person who he really is to better let said person understand said persons person then you should probably try not to do it in the form of an attack unless you want to run the risk of triggering denial.

That is true. I would argue that denial exists in said person already, only in such circumstances the denial is truly evident externally. It is best to plant the seed of doubt and let their own mind fight itself to find it's own truth.

 

[Cherry Cola]

Whom else could I be speaking to?

Post 54 was awesome btw. Do you have loose mental boundaries or are you sort of schizotypal? Feel free not to answer if that is too personal an inquiry.

 

[Grayman]

Whom else could I be speaking to?

Post 54 was awesome btw. Do you have loose mental boundaries or are you sort of schizotypal? Feel free not to answer if that is too personal an inquiry.

schizoid has been a consideration of mine in the past, during an emotional recession, but not schizotypal, I am fully aware of their feelings and my own.

Many traits exist in different levels in many different types of maladies but it is not so easy to define

What traits caught your attention?




Also "Speaking of" is not the same as "Speaking to"


Loose mental boundaries seems accurate just in title but I would need a better description to be fully accurate.


You do not need to manipulate me with that last statement into believing you mean well. I know you mean well but really it matters little to me either way. We both know I can answer if I like.

 

[digitalbum]

digitalbum,

I had an odd image when experiencing many of your posts.

I saw child with a gleeful face poking a dying animal suffering great agony. I had feeling of those who parent the child being fearful of what it will become.

Pherhaps you could help me determine the meaning of this vision?

LOL.

I repeat, Lol.

Your vision is sanctified and straight from the good Lord.

 

[Grayman]

LOL.

I repeat, Lol.

Your vision is sanctified and straight from the good Lord.

I thought you might enjoy that, at least externally.

 

[Cherry Cola]

schizoid has been a consideration of mine in the past, during an emotional recession, but not schizotypal, I am fully aware of their feelings and my own.

Many traits exist in different levels in many different types of maladies but it is not so easy to define

What traits caught your attention?




Also "Speaking of" is not the same as "Speaking to"


Loose mental boundaries seems accurate just in title but I would need a better description to be fully accurate.


You do not need to manipulate me with that last statement into believing you mean well. I know you mean well but really it matters little to me either way. We both know I can answer if I like.

Sorry I misread that. The fact that you said you were paranoid made it pretty clear too lol.

Wasn't speaking of you at all nor am I attempting manipulation, I just feel some sort of need to be nicer (or maybe just calmer) than usual when I speak to you because you strike me as being very level-headed, hence I don't want to drag you down. Think it's an Fe thing, the mien if perceive effecting my own behavior, happens a lot IRL.

 

[Grayman]

nor am I attempting manipulation

There is a bad conotation with the word, but I only meant it in the most literal fasion. I knew better but used it anyway.

I am very curious about the other questions.
What exactly is loose mental boundaries and what were the traits?
Don't fear to elaberate.

I desire to know me more. There comes a point were only new perspective can deepen your understanding of self adn I was hoping you might be that perspective.

 

[digitalbum]

That is not how you insult the very soul of someone, you do that by analyzing their person on your own, then looking at some of their old posts for signs that you are somewhat correct, then if you are you ad-hom them somewhat ambigously based on your somewhat correct picture of who they are by bringing forth character flaws and trying to paint them out as if though they were useless human beings. Then they hopefully start losing their ability to make sense, thus becoming easy targets for further insults. They may also start making sense because they might be afraid that others will believe you are correct in your assessment of their character causing them to desperately defend themselves which you must then proclaim as confirmation that you were right because otherwise they wouldn't have gotten so upset.

Though doing so runs the risk of the one you are doing it to or some third calling you on it in which case you're fucked and a character flaw of your own is exposed. Then, knowing what might happen if you push it despite being exposed you should almost always instantly retreat while making sure to apologize at the same time.

Well, you definitely added more detail (and yes, I have done all these things, go take a look at me and DEMERZEL'S exchange at http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?50084-YOU-PEOPLE-ARE-FUCKING-LAME! if you're really bored, I'm "johnnyyukon"), but I think that's what I basically said.

Attack weaknesses.

 

[Cherry Cola]

There is a bad conotation with the word, but I only meant it in the most literal fasion. I knew better but used it anyway.

I am very curious about the other questions.
What exactly is loose mental boundaries and what were the traits?
Don't fear to elaberate.

I desire to know me more. There comes a point were only new perspective can deepen your understanding of self adn I was hoping you might be that perspective.

Well unfortunately my knowledge on loose mental boundaries doesn't stretch beyond that which I gained when I read the wiki article on it some time ago. Though it was pretty interesting because I still remember it.

Maybe I did google it a bit. I recall one sign of loose mental boundaries being people morphing in dreams. I am familiar with that; just recently my dead cat switched back and forth between being my dead cat and Kate Bush which I only realized after I woke up.

@Digitalbum

Lol nice. Though IMO one should do the insult in one sudden thorough post at just the right time for maximum impact. But I suppose that is just a preference.

 

[digitalbum]

I thought you might enjoy that, at least externally.

The truth is, arguments and internet forums are not in the business of saving lives. And this forum especially, I doubt someone could be bullied enough into harming themselves (not saying it's impossible).

So as long as I don't think people are getting their feelings too hurt, and it's all playful, I do enjoy taking the piss out of people, as the aussies say, AS LONG as I feel they don't mind.

Speaking of saving lives. I guided rafts on the Arkansas river in Buena Vista, Colorado and I've pulled more than one person out of recirculating, downward pulling hydraulic. I'd do the same for you (No I'm not a badass, and that hydraulic would probably have ejected that person eventually, but my boat arrived on the scene first).

SO, a little ribbing, I see as pretty lighthearted.

 

[digitalbum]

Well unfortunately my knowledge on loose mental boundaries doesn't stretch beyond that which I gained when I read the wiki article on it some time ago. Though it was pretty interesting because I still remember it.

Maybe I did google it a bit. I recall one sign of loose mental boundaries being people morphing in dreams. I am familiar with that; just recently my dead cat switched back and forth between being my dead cat and Kate Bush which I only realized after I woke up.

@Digitalbum

Lol nice. Though IMO one should do the insult in one sudden thorough post at just the right time for maximum impact. But I suppose that is just a preference.

Ha, did you look at it?

Well I had to do a little fishing first. See what the guy had. I mean, wouldn't you agree that sparring, whether physical or verbal, you kinda need a back and forth to gauge your opponent?

 

[Grayman]

The truth is, arguments and internet forums are not in the business of saving lives. And this forum especially, I doubt someone could be bullied enough into harming themselves (not saying it's impossible).

So as long as I don't think people are getting their feelings too hurt, and it's all playful, I do enjoy taking the piss out of people, as the aussies say, AS LONG as I feel they don't mind.

Speaking of saving lives. I guided rafts on the Arkansas river in Buena Vista, Colorado and I've pulled more than one person out of recirculating, downward pulling hydraulic. I'd do the same for you (No I'm not a badass, and that hydraulic would probably have ejected that person eventually, but my boat arrived on the scene first).

SO, a little ribbing, I see as pretty lighthearted.

If its all light hearted and you claim to be so good at it. Try me. I am curiuos just how good you really are. No offense but I have trouble believing you are good at it.

 

[digitalbum]

If its all light hearted and you claim to be so good at it. Try me. I am curiuos just how good you really are. No offense but I have trouble believing you are good at it.

Good at what? Taking the piss out of people?

Well firstly, I don't really TRY to do it. If an opportunity presents itself, I will. Especially if it's some prick that deserves it.

If you're asking me to intentionally try to hurt your feelings, I mean, I suppose I could try, but I think that would be mean.

As of right now, I'm not planning on it, but maybe I'll change my mind.

 

[Grayman]

Good at what? Taking the piss out of people?

Well firstly, I don't really TRY to do it. If an opportunity presents itself, I will. Especially if it's some prick that deserves it.

If you're asking me to intentionally try to hurt your feelings, I mean, I suppose I could try, but I think that would be mean.

As of right now, I'm not planning on it, but maybe I'll change my mind.

Perhaps, you're a lot softer and kind hearted than you like to make yourself out to be.

No it would not be mean. I get to decide my fate not you.

 

[digitalbum]

Perhaps, you're a lot softer and kind hearted than you like to make yourself out to be.

No it would not be mean. I get to decide my fate not you.

Ok.

Grayman,

You seem to live in your very bald head. You speak in metaphors and parables and ask a LOT of questions. You're so thirsty for knowledge, but why? Do you actually DO anything with it but sit around and ponder life's mysteries?

And you mentioned meditation as a means to control your emotions as perhaps being silly, because, to paraphrase, you should "just control your emotions" that really made a lot of sense I must say, and some excellent advice, "Hey man, just control your emotions." "Holy shit, thanks!"

And meditation is about moving more into a state of awareness or consciousness, which is ABOVE and AROUND thought and mind. Have you ever noticed you can always notice a thought? That is because you are NOT your mind, you are your consciousness. And it is probably a terrifying proposition for an INTP like yourself who has so much invested into that very big (and very bald, did I already mention that?), over-analytical mind of yours, which has pretty much defined and helped order the reality you live in.

It also may explain why meditation would be very hard for you to understand, much less practice, as it would more than likely become obvious to you that the mental constructs you have meticulously built up to define reality are but twigs and sticks.

Perhaps if you actually went out and EXPERIENCED life rather than THINKING about it all day, you might have fewer questions.

 

[Grayman]

Not bad considering the circumstances. Insults are much more efficient when timing is just right. Mostly it seems your heart was not that much into it. I suppose that can only be expected with me pushing you into this. It is odd that you would exhibit more resistance to someone who wants to be insulted than someone who does not and is sensitive to such things...even if by your standards they deserve it.

You seem to live in your very bald head. You speak in metaphors and parables and ask a LOT of questions. You're so thirsty for knowledge, but why? Do you actually DO anything with it but sit around and ponder life's mysteries?

My wife does not like my hair cut either. I don't much like hair and I like the feeling of the sun on my scalp so I cut it down very often. Yes, I am not the best with words, mostly because emotions and connections are to complex to put into words.
It is my understanding that this last sentence is an accusation that I do not do anything but I also know that this really does exist as a question in your mind so I will provide an answer. I generally have many projects going at a given time, I am mostly productive but sometimes I do go through phase of seditation, if you will . Most of lives mysteries are not in my head, so it is more or less a requirement that I experience life outside of it. Regardless, I am also married so to maintain a life of some sort I do have to get out of the house. In the end your accusations is not too far off but only when considering this last week.

And you mentioned meditation as a means to control your emotions as perhaps being silly, because, to paraphrase, you should "just control your emotions" that really made a lot of sense I must say, and some excellent advice, "Hey man, just control your emotions." "Holy shit, thanks!"

Stating the obvious. It would seem my favorite thing to do.
I have considered various possibilities for this. In this case I think it was like trying to explain how you convince your arm to move with your mind. It is just done. How do you explain that? Either you can do it or you cannot type of thing. I had not considered until THD replied that some people need physical therapy to be able to use their arm properly. It is very obvious once it was explained. I am not sure why I miss such obvious things. Enjoy that metaphor by the way. What better a way to explain such a thing?

And meditation is about moving more into a state of awareness or consciousness, which is ABOVE and AROUND thought and mind. Have you ever noticed you can always notice a thought? That is because you are NOT your mind, you are your consciousness. And it is probably a terrifying proposition for an INTP like yourself who has so much invested into that very big (and very bald, did I already mention that?), over-analytical mind of yours, which has pretty much defined and helped order the reality you live in.

It also may explain why meditation would be very hard for you to understand, much less practice, as it would more than likely become obvious to you that the mental constructs you have meticulously built up to define reality are but twigs and sticks.

But isn't the definition of consciousness to be aware of oneself and the world around you? If you transcend this, are not you then unconscious? Wouldn't a knock on the head be easier to achieve this? Regardless, I will only know if I experience so I will let you know the answer when I find it. I will try the meditation first though and then knock myself out.

Perhaps if you actually went out and EXPERIENCED life rather than THINKING about it all day, you might have fewer questions.

For every experience there are many more questions.

 

[kris]

If someone insults ME during an argument. Like a "oh yeah? well, you're dumb!" Then, well the argument's pretty much over.

To that extent we're the same, though as stated, I'm not big into compliments either. Thing is, if I'm in a conversation, it's probably because I want to be. To have it end like that is dissatisfying.

To put it in metaphorical terms (for no reason whatsoever), it'd be like having decent sex, feeling good, and then your partner(s) introduce the topic of, "Do you think your parents still have rough sex at their age, or do you think that causes too much joint pain?" The statement is tangentially related you your current intercourse, but man does it kill the fucking mood once the thought's in your head. If you don't finish because of it, you feel frustrated. If you do finish, you feel a little weird and off about it. Well, I would feel weird, but to each their own, I guess.

Or, if it's a total dick that's seriously trying to provoke a fight, just a good solid punch to the trachea. Heeehee.

I can't relate. For me, throat punching is strictly a leisurely pursuit, never to be sullied with practical considerations.

With regard to the original question, I don't need to be right though I prefer it over being wrong. In some conversations we don't always have the luxury of being either. I want to be logically consistent most of all. When someone corrects or contradicts me, there is a short moment where I consider what they said and decide if I want to argue the point or not. If it immediately occurs to me that I am wrong, I concede the point instantly and move on.

If I do argue a point, I'll just keep going with my position until I feel I've exhausted it, can no longer make a rational argument, or the conversation ends. I don't care about being right or wrong during the conversation. Sometimes it will take me days or even weeks to decide which was the case. What people see in conversation with me is the tip of the iceberg. I had probably given the topic a lot of thought before the exchange started and will continue to give it thought long after. If they see a stubborn, conceited fucker who needs win at talking, I guess that's not optimal, but I can live with it. Couldn't when I was younger, but I've learned to ease up a bit.

 

[digitalbum]

Not bad considering the circumstances. Insults are much more efficient when timing is just right. Mostly it seems your heart was not that much into it. I suppose that can only be expected with me pushing you into this. It is odd that you would exhibit more resistance to someone who wants to be insulted than someone who does not and is sensitive to such things...even if by your standards they deserve it.



My wife does not like my hair cut either. I don't much like hair and I like the feeling of the sun on my scalp so I cut it down very often. Yes, I am not the best with words, mostly because emotions and connections are to complex to put into words.
It is my understanding that this last sentence is an accusation that I do not do anything but I also know that this really does exist as a question in your mind so I will provide an answer. I generally have many projects going at a given time, I am mostly productive but sometimes I do go through phase of seditation, if you will . Most of lives mysteries are not in my head, so it is more or less a requirement that I experience life outside of it. Regardless, I am also married so to maintain a life of some sort I do have to get out of the house. In the end your accusations is not too far off but only when considering this last week.



Stating the obvious. It would seem my favorite thing to do.
I have considered various possibilities for this. In this case I think it was like trying to explain how you convince your arm to move with your mind. It is just done. How do you explain that? Either you can do it or you cannot type of thing. I had not considered until THD replied that some people need physical therapy to be able to use their arm properly. It is very obvious once it was explained. I am not sure why I miss such obvious things. Enjoy that metaphor by the way. What better a way to explain such a thing?




But isn't the definition of consciousness to be aware of oneself and the world around you? If you transcend this, are not you then unconscious? Wouldn't a knock on the head be easier to achieve this? Regardless, I will only know if I experience so I will let you know the answer when I find it. I will try the meditation first though and then knock myself out.



For every experience there are many more questions.

Ok , see, I'm not sure where you got this idea that I was some kind of insult machine. The only thing I can think of that I said was that taking down people with caustic and bitter egos is like shooting fish in a barrel.

You can't really bash someone if they are confident, self-assured, and comfortable with themselves. That's another reason I kind of assumed it would be futile, as you seem to me a stand up guy. Though this was an interesting experiment.

Like I've said mentioned, offhand in other forums (maybe not here?) I really only bully bullies. Who are themselves actually quite sad.

I got a shaved head under my hat. More efficient.

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t is odd that you would exhibit more resistance to someone who wants to be insulted than someone who does not and is sensitive to such things...even if by your standards they deserve it.

I'll also add that it's difficult to insult someone when there isn't much to insult. And no, I'm not trying to jack off your ego, haha, but just a general rule.

 

[principle]

I dont want to put words in anyones mouth but i think what jenny wanted to say in simple terms is that

ENTP's have the bigger ego here, and mostly care about winning the arguement
(not saying that they dont have valid claims)

While INTP's are spending more time introspecting the actual idea (with valid claims) that is being debated on where they want to come to the true right/moral conclusion etc. where they value the truth in what is right rather than actually winning the arguement

 

[digitalbum]

I dont want to put words in anyones mouth but i think what jenny wanted to say in simple terms is that

ENTP's have the bigger ego here, and mostly care about winning the arguement
(not saying that they dont have valid claims)

While INTP's are spending more time introspecting the actual idea (with valid claims) that is being debated on where they want to come to the true right/moral conclusion etc. where they value the truth in what is right rather than actually winning the arguement

I could care less about winning. I think most ENTPs feel the same. I think INTPs care about the truth, not so much the winning or losing.

I debate for the fun of it. Winning or losing, if i'm bored, I'll walk away. BUT not before I admit I'm wrong, in the off chance

And as I've already said, we're easily the most arrogant.

 

[principle]

I could care less about winning. I think most ENTPs feel the same. I think INTPs care about the truth, not so much the winning or losing.

I debate for the fun of it. Winning or losing, if i'm bored, I'll walk away. BUT not before I admit I'm wrong, in the off chance

And as I've already said, we're easily the most arrogant.

while i do believe NT's can be the most arrogant and stubborn. Like you said u would admit, are NT's not also the first ones to really admit defeat when we see it ourselves?

 

[digitalbum]

while i do believe NT's can be the most arrogant and stubborn. Aren't we also the first ones to admit defeat when we see it ourselves?

I know I am.

And it comes easily, as I am not emotionally or identity invested in an argument (not saying INTPs are, I just know I'm not).

 

[principle]

I know I am.

And it comes easily, as I am not emotionally or identity invested in an argument (not saying INTPs are, I just know I'm not).

i feel the same way. when i see people afraid to admit defeat or just deny it i cringe errytime

 

[Grayman]

i feel the same way. when i see people afraid to admit defeat or just deny it i cringe errytime

You've said something without realizing.

 

[digitalbum]

You've said something without realizing.

haha

 

[bemused]

At their most EXTREME:

intp= socially reclusive individuals plagued by phobias and anxieties. They tend to struggle connecting to the external world, thus they completely detach themselves from it. Some of them develop an asperger- like focus on a specific topic leaving the observer with the impression that they're some sort of guru.

Others observe the outside world from afar and make erroneous assumptions. They break up and analyze people as categorized groups, failing to recognize the complexity of the individual.

The have an intense fear of being embarrassed. since they mostly socialize on the net, they're much more likely than the entp to be grammar Nazis and perfectionists.

The internet to them is a tool used to build up and feed their egos. They want to feel more intelligent than everyone, but deep down they're frightened little turtles that aren't nearly as smart as they claim...and they know it.


Entp= socially indifferent and clever creatures with the gift of the gab. They don't give a fuck what you think, as they can spot your weaknesses almost immediately and exploit them at will. They will argue just to argue. They are natural contrarians.


That's my opinion. It doesn't matter but I gave it anyway.

I don't know or care what my type is. I can bounce around all the N-types whenever it suits me. I'm a fucking chameleon.

 

[bemused]

Yes I'm aware of the glaring contradiction in my post

 

[Base groove]

Sometimes in real life I really act like your version of the ENTP, bemused. I am amused.

 

[digitalbum]

At their most EXTREME:
The have an intense fear of being embarrassed. since they mostly socialize on the net, they're much more likely than the entp to be grammar Nazis and perfectionists.

Haha, I just got grammar nazied by @base groove. I think it to be the most desperate of jabs. Like, "Oh yeah?? Your mom's dumb!!" I mean, I try to skim my grammar, but what, shall I get my forum posts peer reviewed first?

Entp= socially indifferent and clever creatures with the gift of the gab. They don't give a fuck what you think, as they can spot your weaknesses almost immediately and exploit them at will. They will argue just to argue. They are natural contrarians.

I really like your ENTP definition.

 

[Base groove]

Haha, I just got grammar nazied by @base groove.

Hey, you better learn to keep that shit in the thread where it started. I was willing to be good-natured about it but that will change very quickly if you're going to smear it around. Don't be a fag. You should not take advantage of something like the good spirit of another person.

The grammar-nazism you referred to was done in jest, partly to test your ENTPness (who apparently "love to argue" etc.), but you became overly-defensive about it ... and now you're taking it to other threads to rally support?

Spoiler

As a pattern seeking/logical individual who is highly perceptive about matters MBTI, I would like to inform you that your behaviour right now, as well as your replies to the Witch Hunt thread about the recent Siberian thread of Time, is highly inconsistent with NT temperament and more strongly resembles NF which leads me to the conclusion that you are ENFP. It doesn't really mean anything in particular, it's not an insult, but I'd like you to consider it and recognize the potential interference it might have in our interactions.

 

[digitalbum]

At their most EXTREME:

intp= socially reclusive individuals plagued by phobias and anxieties. They tend to struggle connecting to the external world, thus they completely detach themselves from it. Some of them develop an asperger- like focus on a specific topic leaving the observer with the impression that they're some sort of guru.

Others observe the outside world from afar and make erroneous assumptions. They break up and analyze people as categorized groups, failing to recognize the complexity of the individual.

The have an intense fear of being embarrassed. since they mostly socialize on the net, they're much more likely than the entp to be grammar Nazis and perfectionists.

The internet to them is a tool used to build up and feed their egos. They want to feel more intelligent than everyone, but deep down they're frightened little turtles that aren't nearly as smart as they claim...and they know it.


Entp= socially indifferent and clever creatures with the gift of the gab. They don't give a fuck what you think, as they can spot your weaknesses almost immediately and exploit them at will. They will argue just to argue. They are natural contrarians.


That's my opinion. It doesn't matter but I gave it anyway.

I don't know or care what my type is. I can bounce around all the N-types whenever it suits me. I'm a fucking chameleon.

Hey, you better learn to keep that shit in the thread where it started. I was willing to be good-natured about it but that will change very quickly if you're going to smear it around. Don't be a fag. You should not take advantage of something like the good spirit of another person.

The grammar-nazism you referred to was done in jest, partly to test your ENTPness (who apparently "love to argue" etc.), but you became overly-defensive about it ... and now you're taking it to other threads to rally support?

Lol, yes, I'm trying to gather Legions and Hordes of armies to turn against you.

Lighten up dude, I included a reference of your name here so you'd at least know I mentioned you. I just started checking forums and @bemused mentioned how you all were grammar nazis and it seemed very obvious to mention a specific example.

Haha, jesus christ, you are wound up, son.

 

[Base groove]

Lol, yes, I'm trying to gather Legions and Hordes of armies to turn against you.

Lighten up dude, I included a reference of your name here so you'd at least know I mentioned you. I just started checking forums and @bemused mentioned how you all were grammar nazis and it seemed very obvious to mention a specific example.

Haha, jesus christ, you are wound up, son.

I am not. I am always calm, but I don't subordinate.

 

[Grayman]

@bemused mentioned how you all were grammar nazis and it seemed very obvious to mention a specific example.

Generally, showing off such things in such a fashion to other people about a person is considered rude and gossipy. Using the word Nazis is worse because in some ways it is a dirty word.

I am not fond of Groove's use of the word Fag, but the response he gave was understandable. Simply having emotion and being upset does not invalidate him. In this instance your comments, which gave no indication of a general observation, seemed much like a personal attack.

 

[digitalbum]

Generally, showing off such things in such a fashion to other people about a person is considered rude and gossipy. Using the word Nazis is worse because in some ways it is a dirty word.

I am not fond of Groove's use of the word Fag, but the response he gave was understandable. Simply having emotion and being upset does not invalidate him. In this instance your comments, which gave no indication of a general observation, seemed much like a personal attack.

There isn't a better word for someone who nitpicks grammar.

It would have been gossipy if I hadn't mentioned his name, talking behind his back.

But basically I was talking about getting paid to teach english and I said "Sounds like you're journey's just in the infant stages." and @base groove said "You were paid to teach English?"

Jesus, am I really defending myself so anally in proper INTP fashion and etiquette?

I really must be feeling a diplomatic sense of an ENFP this morning.

 

[Base groove]

I really must be feeling a diplomatic sense of an ENFP this morning.

I seriously question whether ENFPs are characteristically diplomatic.

 

[digitalbum]

I seriously question whether ENFPs are characteristically diplomatic.

As I am way too lazy to give you detailed functions, secondary, tertiary, auxiliary, Alpha, Charlie, MBTI Actual, ACAVs in the DLZ!, Abort! MBTI jargon filled explanations of an ENFP, I will simply say they are generally fun loving, and want people around them to be having a good time as well. So they would probably want people to get along.

 

[Base groove]

As I am way too lazy to give you detailed functions, secondary, tertiary, auxiliary, Alpha, Charlie, MBTI Actual, ACAVs in the DLZ!, Abort! MBTI jargon filled explanations of an ENFP, I will simply say they are generally fun loving, and want people around them to be having a good time as well. So they would probably want people to get along.

Right you are. I don't dispute this.

I'm suggesting they are not diplomatic characters by default.

I'll quickly explain in more detail: a diplomat in such a situation would be somebody who would work to resolve a dispute in a pragmatic fashion that equally weighs the needs of every individual against the needs of the group.

Diplomatic is defined in this context as:

having or showing an ability to deal with people in a sensitive and effective way.

As an alternative, I'd suggest the ENFP type is more characteristically going to work to exclude or remove/ignore something which they see as a toxic presence, rather than being diplomatic and sensitive about it. One particular tactic that people employ in this regard is by working to ridicule the opponent and evoking other members of the group to participate in excluding them. I believe this particular trait is highly characteristic of FP types in general.

 

[kris]

There isn't a better word for someone who nitpicks grammar.

God damn vernacular Maoist.

 

[digitalbum]

God damn vernacular Maoists.

Lol, I stand corrected.