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Pod'Lair review

BigApplePi

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Small sample size, and who says I'm right, but again this is a personal evaluation and not attempting a scientific study (which is probably not possible anyhow).
Architect. It might be possible if we chose samples of readers at random and they assigned ratings and we looked for consistency. That doesn't mean we know what we are measuring. By that I mean we could have stats that 95 percent agree this is a dog without defining exactly what a dog is, metaphorically speaking.
 

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Surely the smart Pod'lairist would publish the number of times they observe each cue to determine by ratio what type each person is. It's so quantifiable after all.

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Then with more evidence they could keep improving the accuracy of their typing!

I mean, if we assume the official MBTI test sets its own baseline then it is 100% accurate; that appears to be the Pod'lair typing philosophy 'The way we test type is the baseline regardless of the limited dataset, therefore it is 100% accurate'.
 

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Type Q using Adymus

Adymus conjecture. Check out a typical video of his. Suppose we conjecture Adymus IS an INTP. That is, there are 16 modular types and he is one of these, namely INTP. Can such a person's behavior be INTJ? How are we to interpret his behavior? Write it off as inferior or tertiary (modulation vs momentum) function? Or INTJ = Ni Te Fi Se?

Couldn't we argue he is putting out there Se and Te expression as if it were external fact? Couldn't we argue that it is Ni (his internal intuition) that what he says is true? Isn't he saying it with close to conscious internal feeling (Fi)?

Now I realize this is MBTI language. Would Pod'Lair say I should check out their language instead and the problem would be resolved? At the moment I don't buy that. I say an INTP can temporarily take on INTJ as opposed to saying they ARE INTJ. Am I wrong?

Notice that this conjecture is counter to innateness of type unless one feels more free with all 8 cognitive functions. Notice Adymus is at ease on his video presentation in appearance (we don't know if he is feeling stressed in preparation or in action).
 
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Another Pod'lairite from the flawless land of 'we'.

'We' as in Pod'Lair practitioners. You are not a Pod'Lair practitioner, so I refer to you as 'you'.

You can learn more about proper usage of 1st and 2nd person pronouns at your nearest children teaching facility; but for now, it's *probably* best that we stick to PL related discussion.


Where on that page do we present a methodology that involves typing people?
 

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'We' as in Pod'Lair practitioners. You are not a Pod'Lair practitioner, so I refer to you as 'you'.

You can learn more about proper usage of 1st and 2nd person pronouns at your nearest children teaching facility; but for now, it's *probably* best that we stick to PL related discussion.

Where on that page do we present a methodology that involves typing people?

:storks:

... read this thread ...

... watch the pod'lair 'how to mojo reading' videos ...

Within it the typing methodology of pod'lair is critiqued with contributions from 'we' who reveal the typing methodology.

Don't be annoying and claim it's 'reading': that's childish.

However I feel inspired to set up my own 'Pod'lair Step 2' foundation and make a fortune by rebranding the 'gears' into 'functions' and claim it's my copyright.

As I said analytical psychology stock; it's gold.
 
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Within it the typing methodology of pod'lair

Yes, because categorizing people involves looking for physiological cues. :)

Please stop talking around my question with claims of evidence that has not been provided. What categories?

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Well I think its time to wrap this thread up, at least from the perspective of its original intent.

Motive: I started this thread with the intent of giving Pod'Lair an honest evaluation, and recording the twists and turns here. I did not intend for it to be comprehensive or scientific, but rather I'd put the work in evaluating it which might save others some time and effort.

Summary: I think PL has probably made some advancements in typology. I believe that Reading has some value, and while I didn't have time to evaluate it fully what I see so far is promising. To get to that point however is a tall order. Instead of extending existing theory, PL goes out on its own, seemingly green field, but on closer examination you can clearly see the stamp and underpinnings of MBTI. With a very small sample size my tally is PL having 66% accuracy. Again this is a small sample, and I haven't gotten a reply back for the cases which I believe they got wrong, so this number shouldn't be used conclusively.

The Good: Reading versus typing. Various refinements including mojos as energies instead of functions. Further development of what a function/mojo is and is not.

The Bad: Eschewing typology instead of building on it. Confusing and difficult terminology. Too much material instead of just enough.

Future directions: I'm going to continue working at the Reading gears. If I discover anything new, such as better or worse accuracy that I'm seeing here, or other significant observations I'll report them here.
 

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Addendum: I watched this video

PL Quiz

where he reads Michael Shermer as a Nai'xyy.

HOWEVER, the Pod'Lair sourcebook rates him as an INTP/Zai'nyy (see my post above). This is one of my disputed Reads, along with the Einstein read, as I see no INTP in Shermer (his face lights up when he smiles which INTP's don't, both in my experience and PL's lexicon).

I think Lyra fed this one for the daily read (he references the video I mention here), but what we see here is two cases (Einstein and Michael Shermer) where PL has had to revise their Reading. Perhaps they don't have the accuracy they claim? It's certainly hard reading people, but both of these were fairly obvious I thought.
 

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Addendum: I watched this video

PL Quiz

where he reads Michael Shermer as a Nai'xyy.

HOWEVER, the Pod'Lair sourcebook rates him as an INTP/Zai'nyy (see my post above). This is one of my disputed Reads, along with the Einstein read, as I see no INTP in Shermer (his face lights up when he smiles which INTP's don't, both in my experience and PL's lexicon).

I think Lyra fed this one for the daily read (he references the video I mention here), but what we see here is two cases (Einstein and Michael Shermer) where PL has had to revise their Reading. Perhaps they don't have the accuracy they claim? It's certainly hard reading people, but both of these were fairly obvious I thought.
A comment about their accuracy. Errors are allowed. I watched one tape by their leader where he claims "100 plus" percent and another person at 90 percent. But those are the top people. I recall something about 85 percent. Now that would mean 1 in 6 error which may be those we are finding. He goes on to say some MBTI reading (I forget what kind) at 25 percent. So his claim is far superior accuracy for Pod'Lair ... but since I missed the details we have to make sure how much this is apples and oranges.
 

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I find this thread of great interest because it weaves together a number of difficult and separate issues. Solving, explaining, or understanding what to do with these issues all seem to be very important one way or another. Here they are:

1. Delving into Pod'Lair to see if it works as a temperament identifier and how well? ... as initiated by Architect.

2. What is the role of Pod'Lair's unusual representative being he as an INFJ in explaining Pod'Lair? He is very different from so many members of the INTP Forum including the language and style of providing that explanation.

3. What is the nature of Pod'Lair aside from the validity Architect has been exploring?

#1 has worked out rather clearly per Architect's sampling. There could be more sampling and verification, but doing refining work will require more motivation.

#2 has been addressed quite a bit by both Forum members and the representative. I've found settling and resolving everyone's motives have been too complex to resolve without disrupting the Forum itself. I've had to withdraw from directly addressing this issue unable to find a simple explanation.

#3 is what brings me to make this post. I try to struggle for the simplest solutions so I'll try this:

I will liken Pod'Lair to an explorer who travels to a foreign land and discovers a supposedly marvelous* rare flower. The explorer returns and sings the praises* of his discovery. He urges others* to travel likewise explaining that they too may discover rare flowers and bring them back to civilization. These discoveries will enthrall the world* and make it a better place. The discoverer knows history has uncovered other rare flowers by different circumstances. Attention is not brought to these as they are considered a distraction.

How is this like Pod'Lair? Well the story has a truth and a falsity to it. The rare flower is marvelous to some but worthless to others. The traveler does have an exciting pursuit. Getting others to make discoveries is a worthwhile thing for some to do, but not for all. Some people may argue it's a waste of time and there are better things to do. Will these flowers make the world a better place? Well, maybe. If they are publicized successfully they could make the world a better place, but not necessarily. There are too many competitors for that goal to make this a sure thing.

Pod'Lair has made a discovery or at least framed it differently. It will work only if applied according to the rather strict standards set up. It will not work for those who do not wish to follow these standards. What it will work for and how broadly has yet to be determined.
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*These are not neutral words. They are not objective facts. They are values expressed with feeling valid only for some. They are true for some and false for others.
 

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So where do the pod'lair guys hang out? Their forums seem pretty dead and I couldn't figure out how to register there, do they do all communication through youtube these days? I figured a good way to spend my time was to correct a bunch of wrong typings they have, always fun.
 

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Hi Ink. Don't know either. Yeah. Get those wrong typings. For a claim by Pod'Lair, I think of what they say about their ability to read people and then I think about how successful they have been about their ability to read the INTP Forum* and I have to laugh.

Or us to be able to read them for that matter.
 

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Mrs Architect is amazed I'm still 'putting up with it' as she puts it. She would have given up long ago. My intellectual rigor and self respect won't be satisfied until I figure out whether there's meat on the bone.

This behavior reminds me of a similar situation that contrasts neatly. My INFJ sister was having difficulty leaving a bad relationship with an immature INTP, and I told her that, in her situation, I'd have given up long ago, lol. She couldn't give up on the relationship it could potentially become, to the extent that she kind of wished he'd just do something explicitly bad so she could leave it without looking back. Well, it took just that - he finally went and cheated on her - and only then did she finally move on.
 
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