Pmj's TWG/Mafia

[Minuend]

Well, pmj posted at 05:23 PM and it's 03.01 here now. So two hours remaining like the clock says should be right

 

[Sinny91]

I think that would be a poor move.

Unless someone counter claims seer on you, you are confirmed seer.

How do we know that Minends claim isn't geared towards flushing out the true seer?

An the actual seer is doing a good job of keeping their mouth shut?

 

[Sinny91]

So my last huge post happened while pmj posted the sinny rb reveal. I've been unsure if it's ok to keep posting in case I'm disq. If that reveal had happened a bit sooner I might've revealed this right away. It has given me time to think tho and I believe it's important to come forth now so we don't run short on time before lynch

I'm seer and QT is wolf. I already alluded to my role in one of my first posts (not seeing) and alluded to seeing QT as wolf in my long post. I was hoping to go another day in secret, but this way is safer to help town win even if I'm killed this night, or even lynched this day. Hiding one more day is more risky even if it would give me a chance to find the last wolf.

Even if I was scum, revealing this now would put scum team at disadvantage as my bluff would easily be caught and town has a vigilante who can kill me tomorrow.


/vote QT

Minuend, does us a favor please and quote yourself where you alluded to being seer.

Also, I don't see why you would role claim when you did.

I was already gunning for QT all you had to do was join the wagon.

Your 'Seer' revealing of QT means squat to me, but he was my top suspect anyway.

 

[Sinny91]

*As he was my top suspect anyway.

 

[Sinny91]

How do we know that Minends claim isn't geared towards flushing out the true seer?

An the actual seer is doing a good job of keeping their mouth shut?

Having said that, I would expect any town power roles to be inboxing ME at this point.

We lynch QT - that's a given.

But If I've had no counter claims reach my inbox, then I am forced to take Minends claim more seriously.

 

[smithcommajohn]

Sonny, did Minuend ever inbox you after you were flipped?

 

[Minuend]

I already explained my reasoning. Though I did forget we're allowed to communicate outside this thread, I should've probably sent you a PM first.

I had 2 votes (cheesempuff, QT)
QT had 1 vote (sinny)

(If I didn't overlook something)

Helvete has been gunning me and could vote me which would make it 3
smith seems to have wanted to vote QT which would give 3 total with mine
Cheese is being absent, couldn't know where/ if he'd vote

The wolf could last minute switch his vote to me, or a townie could have last minute doubts. Or someone could vote me while I slept and not return back to change it before lynch. Or someone could not vote to make it a nolynch to protect QT. Too much risk, especially since people seem to be randomly absent

Since I'm a suspect, there's a good chance you wouldn't believe me tomorrow, like I said. Either decision comes with ups and downs, I decided coming out had less risk for town victory.

 

[smithcommajohn]

I voted QT immediately after NK.

 

[Helvete]

Minu do you still suspect me?
With no CC I want Qt dead today ( he's not even defending himself).

Also cheese said yesterday he didn't like voting. Voting is towns only weapon against scum, without voting scum win. I want to lynch cheese tomorrow if he doesn't vote today. I've been pondering this for a while and have other reasons to suspect him which I'll sit on for now.

I also think even if we lynch qt today, we shouldn't shut down discussion and needle others to figure out who the last wolf is. Who do you guys suspect?

 

[cheese]

Ok I'm back. I'm staying up to see this through to the end of day. I'm reading through the whole thread again.

Overall game has become pretty clear.

Min I'm inclined to believe is Seer - there's still no CC. Without a CC, we should lynch QT over Min even despite the suspicion pointed her way. Clarifying the muck between them is absolutely the number 1 thing we need to do since it gives us the most info. If some other wagon gets fucking engineered out of nowhere in the next couple of hours like it did in the other games and someone else gets lynched, I will flip the fuck out, and Min-QT will become my top 2 suspects. There is no way around lynching QT unless a counter-claim comes up.

Also, if Min IS seer, she's almost certainly gonna die tonight. That's going to set me up. I want to state this now so it doesn't look like defensive BS after the fact, because it isn't: If QT flips red and Min is NK'd, I'm set up. I actually don't even know why she'd say who she's going to check next, because unless it's scum (and given the above she only has a 1 in 4 chance of getting it right), it's gonna set that person up for lynching the next day, and mafia get a mislynch for free. It's weird as fuck to mention. And yes, me saying this is gonna sound defensive and make you all wifom, but the truth is it'd be even dumber not to say anything. Part of our job is to point out obvious dumb mistakes and minimise the damage they'll cause as much as possible, same way I'm trying to check my BS biases-from-shittyass-sources as I read posts.

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Aggression?

I haven't even been that aggressive.

I just mean the swearing and italics. It's aggressive for what I'm used to seeing from you - though not in the spectator thread.

Overall, you seem very town to me. You post large amounts of actual thoughts, you don't come across constricted, your voting isn't erratic.

Hmm, noting that QT read you as town and aligned his playstyle as yours. If he's scum, that's quite possibly more to set you up to get mislynched in case he dies though, rather than him protecting you as he attempted to protect RB (according to Sinny anyway).

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QT also defended Helvete early on, I noticed (in response to I think Puff's suspicion of Helvete). Not sure if this implicates Helv or clears him.

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I actually haven't seen much of Helvete at all, and that's worrying. I know he's able to slip under the radar well. He's asking questions, but he's not around much and doesn't post much.

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smithcommajohn, I know nothing about. He barely posts and I see very little in there I can work with. I feel pretty uncomfortable about him. He seems to have backed up Sinny from the beginning with no reason - called RB and QT scummy for talking a lot, then said Sinny wasn't scummy despite also talking a lot. For no reason. Then later wanted to vote both RB and QT. Then went for nolynch after everyone else did. He's my biggest suspicion atm.

John, why did you suspect QT and RB for one reason and not Sinny for the same reason? Why have you followed everything she's said?

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Min's seeming weirder as I read over her earlier posts. However, this isn't enough to choose her over QT, with no CC, Sinny claiming no secret CCs and QT disappeared to godknowswhere. (Unless...holy shit, he's the Seer and just hasn't been around to CC? But no, that's a stupid reach.)

Where the fuck is QT anyway?

Nothing to be done but vote in case it gets too late. I might not *actually* manage to stay awake. I've become pretty wussy recently.

Flipping QT gives us the most info, so:

/vote QT

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As for my own seeming suspiciousness - you'll note I felt funny about QT pressuring Sinny from day 1, on seemingly nothing (her "lie"). This isn't a wagon I've jumped on, I've just been away because I legit haven't had time. I'm taken time away from my social life, relationships, sleep and even work to participate in this. (Also I clearly need to learn some time management.) I dunno if Pmj's up for this but he can confirm in my QT I was actually warning about potentially needing replacing.

He was never a strong scum read to me, but his behaviour didn't make sense (however, as I've *also* said in this thread, I also don't understand the way I've seen most other people approach this game). The biggest reason I'm voting QT is Min's Seer claim and no CC. And my main reservations are that she's basically helped Mafia set me up for a mislynch, which would be a really good move if she were on their side - but that's a long shot. If not for the evidence Min's claim has gotten us, it's very likely Min would've been lynched next with Sinny, the confirmed towner, and others feeling suspicious around her.

As usual, I'm not even close to 100% on anything, but I do think that voting QT is the best way to get more info. If QT flips green Min's dead. If he flips red, we basically have 2 confirmed townies, which is actually 3 from our own perspective (ie including ourselves).

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Ok looks like Helv's back. Good. I was just about to pose some questions.

 

[cheese]

Oh lol. I just actually read your post. HAH! I got my vote in fair and square, so suck eggs!

 

[cheese]

OK, I'll explain my reason for not liking voting: I don't like committing and I don't like killing people. I know it's retarded, but it's the actual reason - I'm not a person who plays with an agenda. Even in the spec thread, with people heartily yelling out their convictions with nothing to lose, I was generally more cautious and iffy. It's actually just who I am. I play Werewolf irl, and I vote 'no' on almost everyone unless it's close to a sure thing. I don't like voting not because I think it's good for the game, but because I have an irrational preference for not voting, and yes it's entirely emotional.

If I were scum I think I'd be voting a lot more because I'd be trying to go against my natural instinct.

Haha, worst defense ever. "Rook at me, I'm sho honest!" It's sadly true though; I'm just not very good at being a real participant in this game. Lynching QT is the one thing that makes sense from all angles because, as I've said, with Min's claim it'll give us actual information. Most of the time, with votes, lynching only gives you a bunch of nebulous shit (until more time passes and a pattern forms). This is not one of those times, so I'm satisfied and comfortable with this move.

 

[cheese]

As for who I suspect (apart from QT):

smithcommajohn, for reasons stated above.

Helvete, though less so now that you've returned without prompting *and* pressured me.

Min, a little, but we'll find out soon enough.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

This is a lot of BS nitpicking, shady as fuck.

You clearly see I never had a hardon for sinny's lynch the first day, but did it because I thought we wanted a lynch even when risking a townie. There had been a few posts back and forth about nolynch, but nobody stated clearly they wanted a nolynch, so I thought that was off the table. And the obvious thing then is to choose the one I consider more suspicious. I read RB as town like you did, you said he was your strongest town, why are you not allowing for me to have thought him town as well?

Yeah, I agree, my case was a lot of bullshit. All I really had was an intuitive suspicion so in a sense I was grasping at straws to find anything and everything that would point to you being a wolf.

"Deflect from rb". You mean the way you're deflecting from QT to me here before I came out?

Not exactly. I thought it was curious that you had three posts which followed the same formula (ie. question the rationale for suspecting RB and in the next breath immediately question about helvete).

Reading through your posts I did notice your immediate shift to questioning QT, but I'd seen the RB flip at that point so everything you did then looked to me like you were trying to make QT look like the other wolf behind the Sinny wagon rathor than yourself.

I don't need to defend myself as you'll see I'm a seer tonight, but this shit needs some focus.

I don't think you need to defend yourself. Unless someone CCs I 100% believe you.

An the actual seer is doing a good job of keeping their mouth shut?

If Minuend is not seer, and we have another seer holding their tongue, they are doing a very bad job.

Let's look at the possibilities if we assume that Minu is in fact not seer:
1. Minu is red. She claims seer. Our seer does not CC. We, having no CC will be forced to vote QT. QT flips (probably) green which indicates to us that Minu is full of shit. We kill Minu, which leaves us at 2v1.
OR
2. Minu is red and claims seer. Our seer CCs. We kill Minu (it makes the most sense to do this if someone other than QT CCs. I can walk through all unknown possibilities if you don't see why killing her in this scenario is the right move). Minu flips red and we will have 2 confirmed town at 4v1 and we'll have the real seer's correct reads now, rather than the blind hope that our seer makes it through the next night.

 

[smithcommajohn]

smithcommajohn, I know nothing about. He barely posts and I see very little in there I can work with. I feel pretty uncomfortable about him. He seems to have backed up Sinny from the beginning with no reason - called RB and QT scummy for talking a lot, then said Sinny wasn't scummy despite also talking a lot. For no reason. Then later wanted to vote both RB and QT. Then went for nolynch after everyone else did. He's my biggest suspicion atm.

John, why did you suspect QT and RB for one reason and not Sinny for the same reason? Why have you followed everything she's said?

I actually have posted MUCH more than you, cheese. Make sure you look through all the pages, not the early ones before I was brought onboard.

RB and QT just seemed insincere from the beginning for me. There was a lot of talk, but it didn't seem legit. I had nothing to back this reasoning beyond my gut.

Sinny, while talking a lot, seemed more legit to me. She PM'd me to vote for RedBaron to take the heat of her before yesterday's vote. Her plea sounded genuine, but I wasn't completely sure about lynching RedBaron, so I voted No Lynch to try and save both. Looking back, I should have listened to her.

 

[cheese]

Sinny, you said you'd be willing to bet your arm that Min was the last wolf after QT. What were your reasons for thinking that?

And considering that she's very close to being confirmed Seer (as we get closer and closer to EOD without ANY CCs public or private): Who do you most suspect now? For what reasons? And what do you think of smithcommajohn buddying up to you from the start?

 

[PmjPmj]

17 mins.

 

[Sinny91]

Just to confirm hat I have received NO new power role claims in my inbox and that I have very good reason to class Smith as Town.

You guys have actually given me lots to think about in regards to who the last wolf is...

And I need time to compose my thoughts on the matter.

QT's going to be lynched, so this is good.

A lot of there other possibilities wishing around in my head are greatly affected by the NK, naturally.

Minuend has since given me reason to lower her scum rating - but not discount it completely.

I'm up against the clock in terms of how long I have to compose my thoughts and contribute them.

Sorry I can't be any more helpful at this point.

 

[cheese]

smithcommajohn, I completely forgot you replaced for someone else and were brought in later. My bad.

Still, I don't think you've posted more content than me. I know you've been around more frequently though.

Sinny PMed me to take the heat off her too (which she can confirm). I told her I was busy but did go back in to defend her in the thread because QT and RB's behaviour didn't make sense and seemed like a potential misunderstanding.

You were on board with Sinny before then though. Why? Any reasons other than gut?

 

[smithcommajohn]

Just to be clear... /vote QuickTwisted with only the slightest of hesitation.

 

[cheese]

Also, it's making me uncomfortable that you now regret not voting RB because Sinny is now confirmed town and wanted you to.

How is one person's opinion, town or not, good enough to convince you to lynch someone, at the time or retrospectively? It wasn't good enough when there was a chance RB could slide on by as scum, but it's good enough now we know he wasn't?

IMO, it wasn't good enough then OR now, regardless of what we know about Sinny. We need to be convinced by actual cases, not other people's guts.

 

[Sinny91]

With no counter claims happening, this obviously gives Minuend the credibility she needs.
But I can't be sure that everyone has seen my advice about inboxing me there Town power roles.

 

[cheese]

Ok I'll leave that for now. Didn't realise time was running so low.

My vote is still on QT. I DO NOT think any votes should switch to anyone else - my questioning is for later.

[Sorry I'm posting so much btw. I'm managing not to edit, but I keep thinking of more stuff I want to add.]

Lynch time soon! Popcorn up, fellas!

 

[smithcommajohn]

smithcommajohn, I completely forgot you replaced for someone else and were brought in later. My bad.

Still, I don't think you've posted more content than me. I know you've been around more frequently though.

Sinny PMed me to take the heat off her too (which she can confirm). I told her I was busy but did go back in to defend her in the thread because QT and RB's behaviour didn't make sense and seemed like a potential misunderstanding.

You were on board with Sinny before then though. Why? Any reasons other than gut?

No. I've been relying on my gut almost primarily until Minuend announced role. Now I feel like there is more information to work with. I still don't trust Minuend, and while I was thinking Puffs was green, I still question his immediate conversion from "/vote Minuend" to "she has to be the seer if no one CC's". This behavior is extremely fishy to me.

Cheese, I read you as town early on, but the more you question my relationship with Sinny, the more I question your motives.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Also, if Min IS seer, she's almost certainly gonna die tonight. That's going to set me up. I want to state this now so it doesn't look like defensive BS after the fact, because it isn't: If QT flips red and Min is NK'd, I'm set up. I actually don't even know why she'd say who she's going to check next, because unless it's scum (and given the above she only has a 1 in 4 chance of getting it right), it's gonna set that person up for lynching the next day, and mafia get a mislynch for free. It's weird as fuck to mention. And yes, me saying this is gonna sound defensive and make you all wifom, but the truth is it'd be even dumber not to say anything. Part of our job is to point out obvious dumb mistakes and minimise the damage they'll cause as much as possible, same way I'm trying to check my BS biases-from-shittyass-sources as I read posts.

Tbh, before anyone said anything I was thinking you're the top of my suspect list. That said though, I'm pretty WIFOMed about my remaining three options so choosing you was the Ne-equivalent of closing my eyes and point to a random name.

I just mean the swearing and italics. It's aggressive for what I'm used to seeing from you - though not in the spectator thread.

Oh, I thought I was doing pretty good about the swearing. I've only done that in like one or two posts.

And I have used a lot of bold/italics, but that's because I type the way I talk so I try to account for vocal intonation which means using bold/italics when I would just be putting emphasis there in speech. It differs from my usual forum talk because usually on the forum I'm just fucking around and trying to enjoy myself rather than trying to be emphatic.

Overall, you seem very town to me.

You reading me town makes me think you're town, at this juncture (or at least slightly more town than my other options). A wolf would try to capitalize on the fact that other people have also pointed varying amounts of suspicion at me and would probably jump on me as well.

QT also defended Helvete early on, I noticed (in response to I think Puff's suspicion of Helvete). Not sure if this implicates Helv or clears him.

I don't think it was me. Iirc, the only person I leveled real suspicion at was Minu (nice going, me). I think Helv was consistently a slight town read until Minu's claim. Since the claim, though, I've reevaluated all my stances to fuck so I'm spinning in a lot of mental circles right now.

smithcommajohn, I know nothing about. He barely posts and I see very little in there I can work with. I feel pretty uncomfortable about him. He seems to have backed up Sinny from the beginning with no reason - called RB and QT scummy for talking a lot, then said Sinny wasn't scummy despite also talking a lot. For no reason. Then later wanted to vote both RB and QT. Then went for nolynch after everyone else did. He's my biggest suspicion atm.

John, why did you suspect QT and RB for one reason and not Sinny for the same reason? Why have you followed everything she's said?

Smith,john has been making me uneasy ever since the claim. He PM'd me almost immediately after (I can post the messages here if wanted) and it felt oddly like he was mining me for information and trying to make his next move based on that. Funny, then, that right after our exchange his next post is the one where he says I'm suspicious.

As for my own seeming suspiciousness - you'll note I felt funny about QT pressuring Sinny from day 1, on seemingly nothing

Not trying to respond to or refute this. I think it's true but I'm leaving this here as a note to myself to double check. I'll forget if I don't leave this here since I'll be going back to sleep soon.

OK, I'll explain my reason for not liking voting: I don't like committing and I don't like killing people. I know it's retarded, but it's the actual reason - I'm not a person who plays with an agenda. Even in the spec thread, with people heartily yelling out their convictions with nothing to lose, I was generally more cautious and iffy. It's actually just who I am. I play Werewolf irl, and I vote 'no' on almost everyone unless it's close to a sure thing. I don't like voting not because I think it's good for the game, but because I have an irrational preference for not voting, and yes it's entirely emotional.

If I were scum I think I'd be voting a lot more because I'd be trying to go against my natural instinct.

Haha, worst defense ever. "Rook at me, I'm sho honest!" It's sadly true though; I'm just not very good at being a real participant in this game. Lynching QT is the one thing that makes sense from all angles because, as I've said, with Min's claim it'll give us actual information. Most of the time, with votes, lynching only gives you a bunch of nebulous shit (until more time passes and a pattern forms). This is not one of those times, so I'm satisfied and comfortable with this move.

I actually totally get this.

It's not a great way to play the game, definitely, but I understand.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

and while I was thinking Puffs was green, I still question his immediate conversion from "/vote Minuend" to "she has to be the seer if no one CC's".

Oh my fucking god, man. The bit I've bolded up there is an actual fact. If someone else is seer and hasn't CC'd then they are actually fucking town over right now.

 

[Sinny91]

Just to clarify, I have good reason to think that Smiths is town (he's effectively my buddy), and his concerns over Cheeseums were genuine - he was mining you for information.

 

[cheese]

No. I've been relying on my gut almost primarily until Minuend announced role. Now I feel like there is more information to work with.

Ok, well, I get this. That's basically what I said, actually.

I still don't trust Minuend, and while I was thinking Puffs was green, I still question his immediate conversion from "/vote Minuend" to "she has to be the seer if no one CC's". This behavior is extremely fishy to me.

This should actually be explained to you. It's something the rest of us basically accept (possibly apart from Sinny), so we're all working off the same info. Can someone else explain the logic behind CCs etc better please? I don't think I can do it justice in my current state of mind.

It was totally fishy to me too when I first saw it a couple games back. But if you think it through, it'll make sense.

Cheese, I read you as town early on, but the more you question my relationship with Sinny, the more I question your motives.

Nah, I'm actually just trying to be present and participate in the game properly. I haven't been the entire game. I don't think I've asked a single question of anyone, just done a bunch of useless impressions cos that's all I could manage at the time. With scumhunting you're supposed to ask questions, so instead of just saying who I'm suspicious of, I'm trying to follow it up with questions. Applying pressure makes scum more likely to crack and gives villagers the chance to clear themselves through explanation - both very important.

Everyone, if you could, please confirm to smithcommajohn that this is the case RE counter-claims and scum-hunting. This is stuff I didn't get watching my first couple of games either.

The game will make more sense if you're on board with the basics and you'll be able to find the wolves more effectively instead of getting caught up in misunderstandings.

 

[PmjPmj]

Thread closed. Please do not post, and send any outstanding night actions and what have you.

 

[cheese]

Just this quickly:

Since the claim, though, I've reevaluated all my stances to fuck so I'm spinning in a lot of mental circles right now.

Hahaha. I so get THIS. I wish we had the skype rofl emoticon right now.

I'm getting random suspicions on people for not much reason at all and then talking myself out of them, and then back into them but 10x more convoluted. Fucking hell.

I can say that I didn't see the Min-Seer thing coming AT ALL.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Can someone else explain the logic behind CCs etc better please?

I'm pretty sure I've done all I can on that front. I've used multiple posts to explain the deal here and walk through our options. If I haven't made it clear enough then I'm not sure how much more I can do.

 

[smithcommajohn]

Smith,john has been making me uneasy ever since the claim. He PM'd me almost immediately after (I can post the messages here if wanted) and it felt oddly like he was mining me for information and trying to make his next move based on that. Funny, then, that right after our exchange his next post is the one where he says I'm suspicious.

I can confirm this. I did PM Puffs. His instant defense and justification of Minuend's actions did not sit well with me. After that I made my suspicions public in case I was NK. I know the odds of that are very small, but if Puffs was wolf and secretly knew I had suspicions on Minuend, I might be a perfect random NK. I'm probably just too paranoid.

 

[PmjPmj]

Fucking hell, people. THE RULES!!1!!1!1

Anyway:

Apparently, nobody gives a shit about story-telling. So, without too much further ado:


“I’m innocent!” proclaimed QuickTwist as he was carted off by the mob. “I don’t want to hang! Please be lenient and hear me out!”

“We aren’t hanging you” said Cheeseumpuffs. “You’re so bloody obviously a wolf, we’re just going to throw you off this here cliff”.

“Wait, what? No! Please! You can’t do th-AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!”

QuickTwist’s body splattered all over the rocks below. No silver or beheading required. Just good ol’ gravity.

Nobody really gave a shit about sticking around to find out what happened next.

“Pub?” said Sinny.

“Sure as shit, hombre” said Minuend… and off they trotted.

QuickTwist was a Werewolf - but you already knew that, didn’t you?

One wolf remains. Don’t bank on it going down without a fight.

>:B

Speaking of wolves…

Minuend sat down to stare into her crystal ball, but something didn’t feel right. Oh, shit! Her cushion had been replaced by a werewolf!

Minuend was devoured.

She was the Seer.

 

[PmjPmj]

Day 3 Begins...

Countdown:
http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/party?iso=20160809T1645&p0=1364&msg=End+of+Day+3&font=cursive

 

[Sinny91]

Hmmm.

I've got some ruminating to do.

 

[smithcommajohn]

Ok, so the count is... 4 town and 1 wolf, right? Sinny is only confirmed town. Leaving Helvete, Puffs, Cheese, or me as a possible wolf.

I know you can't rule me out, but I can rule myself out.

Puffs definitely not "in cahoots" with a wolf Minuend, so he's looking very green again to me. I think we all voted QT, which is a little confusing, unless the other wolf had no idea QT was wolf, which is obviously possible.

Cheese was green to me, but with thorough questioning of my allegiance to Sinny is looking less so over time.

Helvete is still a complete mystery to me, which is suspicious in itself.

 

[Sinny91]

I've been busy with real life stuff this evening, so sorry for my lack of contribution.

I need to go back and examine the remaining players filters (That means posting history Smith)

The last wolf would have voted against QT to disassociate themselves (that's 'Bussing' Smith)

Smith is my buddy, and a green read for me - I know you remaining other two Townies probably need more in the way of your own verification, but he's got my trust.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I don't understand what makes smithjohn so trustworthy to you, but you've done well so far at reading this game so I'm going to assume you've got some pretty solid verification on that. Smithjohn is green to me for now.

Cheese's last burst of activity has made him more green in my eyes.

As of now I guess Helv is my top red read. I skimmed his post history around the time I sifted through Minu's and I remember thinking that his contributions were somewhat lacking, content-wise. His posts gave me a "mild mannered voice of reason" vibe which is the same vibe that made me read Zerk as town in game 1.

/vote Helvete

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

unless the other wolf had no idea QT was wolf, which is obviously possible.

I don't think it is. I'm pretty sure all the wolves are aware of each other from the get-go. They have to be able to communicate in order to decide on their NK.

This is a green newbie thing to say. If you were a wolf you would see the other wolves and I think it would be less likely to occur to you to publicly theorize this.

If you are a wolf, then saying this was a brilliant move.

 

[Sinny91]

I've been busy with real life stuff this evening, so sorry for my lack of contribution.

I need to go back and examine the remaining players filters (That means posting history Smith)

The last wolf would have voted against QT to disassociate themselves (that's 'Bussing' Smith)

Smith is my buddy, and a green read for me - I know you remaining other two Townies probably need more in the way of your own verification, but he's got my trust.

I actually haven't completed these tasks yet... But my intuition is telling me Cheese is the last wolf.

I'm sharing this random thought in order to bump the thread.

Cheese was my highest scum read after Mineund.. Minuend turned out to be Seer, evidently.

Cheese was reluctant to vote when she/he clearly should have been voting.
Was 'on the fence alot' about his/her suspects.
Was overly defensive when I encouraged him/her to participate more.
Continued to 'pull a Jenny'.
And is now making joke PM's.

I think we've rumbled the whole team.

 

[Sinny91]

Vote Cheese

 

[Sinny91]

Ha, well I guess it turned into more than a random thought.

 

[smithcommajohn]

I need to go back and examine the remaining players filters (That means posting history Smith)

The last wolf would have voted against QT to disassociate themselves (that's 'Bussing' Smith)

Smith is my buddy, and a green read for me - I know you remaining other two Townies probably need more in the way of your own verification, but he's got my trust.

Appreciate the definitions. I was curious about "bussing", but that fits what I was guessing.

Your reads have been decent and fit my own so far. Minuend threw me a curveball and I tried to use "logic" instead of "intuition" and it steered me wrong.

This is a green newbie thing to say. If you were a wolf you would see the other wolves and I think it would be less likely to occur to you to publicly theorize this.

If you are a wolf, then saying this was a brilliant move.

I am a brilliant mofo, but I'm also quite clueless about this game. Wolves are told who else is a wolf? While we're on the topic, what was special about RedBaron's character? Roleblocker Werewolf.

Cheese was my highest scum read after Mineund.. Minuend turned out to be Seer, evidently.

Cheese was reluctant to vote when she/he clearly should have been voting.
Was 'on the fence alot' about his/her suspects.
Was overly defensive when I encouraged him/her to participate more.
Continued to 'pull a Jenny'.
And is now making joke PM's.

I think we've rumbled the whole team.

I think I've narrowed my thoughts to Helvete or Cheese. I'm hoping it will become more clear to me tonight.

Cheese has become quite a bit more active, and the joke PM thing does seem like a feeble attempt at comradery (no offense, Cheese).

Helvete just seems purposely uninvolved like trying to fly under the radar.

 

[Sinny91]

And what do you think prompted this comradery?

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

I am a brilliant mofo, but I'm also quite clueless about this game. Wolves are told who else is a wolf? While we're on the topic, what was special about RedBaron's character? Roleblocker Werewolf.

Yes. Wolves/mafia have a private chat thread that only they are in where they can talk amongst themselves at night and determine which town member they want to kill during the night.

RB's roleblocker (RB, for short. coincidence that RB was the RB?) wolf is a modifier role which does exactly what it sounds like. During night phases, a roleblocker can choose one town member they think is a power role (ie. seer) and stop them from being able to perform their night action.

So, for example, if RB had chosen to target Minuend night one, her attempt to read QT would have ended up with an n/a read rather than a scum read.

 

[smithcommajohn]

And what do you think prompted this comradery?

A show of innocence to lower potential heat.

 

[smithcommajohn]

Yes. Wolves/mafia have a private chat thread that only they are in where they can talk amongst themselves at night and determine which town member they want to kill during the night.

RB's roleblocker (RB, for short. coincidence that RB was the RB?) wolf is a modifier role which does exactly what it sounds like. During night phases, a roleblocker can choose one town member they think is a power role (ie. seer) and stop them from being able to perform their night action.

So, for example, if RB had chosen to target Minuend night one, her attempt to read QT would have ended up with an n/a read rather than a scum read.

Fuck, they had their own chat thread?!? Holy hell, that would have been valuable information. Is there anything else really basic you think I might be missing?

Thanks for sharing, btw.

 

[Sinny91]

FYI, Minuend suspected Helvete more than Cheese.

I told her I'd let you all know.

But I think it's Cheese.

 

[smithcommajohn]

@minu/cheese I noticed you find my behaviour, fishy. Scum helv wouldn't draw so much attention this way, I know how I look and wouldn't run such a risky gambit with no show down value whereas town helvete can. I also want to win as town and this play is more likely to bait mafia into pushing an easy lynch right? Minu esp has pushed this point and has asked for opinions so what do people think? Am I really a Kamikaze wolf riding my own ego? Iirc minu has null read everyone (I need to check this) and said I am capable of this as scum which sounds scummy in itself.

I'm gunna re read stuff then sleep.

Scum, especially newbie Scum, do not say shit like this.

Does anyone else find this endorsement damning?

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Does anyone else find this endorsement damning?

Kind of, yeah. I don't know if pmj is closing the wolfchat during day periods (I know QT closed mafiachat during the day on the games he modded), but if he is then that could be the closest way of communicating between the two of them. (ie. "Scum, do not say shit like this.")