Sinny91
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Just join my Cheese wagon please, If I'm wrong I'm just an unsympathetic dog with a bone, but you can still lynch Puffs tomorrow, and in the event of your death, we will lynch him.
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OK, it's on.
Pmj's TWG/Mafia
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Just join my Cheese wagon please, If I'm wrong I'm just an unsympathetic dog with a bone, but you can still lynch Puffs tomorrow, and in the event of your death, we will lynch him.
Cheeseumpuffs
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I was a very strong defender of the (no CC)=(minu is blue) relationship which, again, is a fucking fact. If there was any implication that I was wholly on board minu with no reservations then those were unintentional.
Earlier in the game I asked if power roles should reveal info (before sinny shot rbRB) and both Qt and puffs said most definitely. Town were heavily outnumbered at this point after a no lynch day1 and yellow killed in the night 5vs3. Town were desperate for any info on scum and would have been fatal if nothing had been gleaned on who the wolves were. Likewise wolves are extremely eager to figure out who the power roles are and even to know how many power roles they were dealing with. I actually kind of thought a reveal would be good for town and only posted to prompt to PR's in case they were at a loss of what to do and to clarify with the more experienced players as what should be done. I'm obviously not a PR as you should know by now but at the time nothing had been done and I felt as if both QT and puffs where subtly trying to get me to claim and reveal myself to them.
Oh hello, Mr. Pot. I didn't know you were in town for the kettle convention.
I town read you the same way I've started out making all my reads. Intuition.
Minu's claim changed everything about the game, from my perspective. My number one suspect was blue and someone I thought was town was red. Clearly my approach was not working. Reevaluation had to be done. When I made my case against minuend and went through her filter I also skimmed through yours and cheese's (such as his was). I found myself disappointed with the fact that your post history wasn't really noticeably any better (arguably worse) than I found hers to be. I did some mental gymnastics at the time and tried to zero in on her. But her claim threw all of my previous thoughts out the window.
Messages:
His first PM in response to my post about Minu not being the night kill if either she was lying or if scum wanted to make her look like a liar:
My response
His response:
My response:
SmithyJ said:
My response
Me said:
His response:
J Smithington said:
My response:
Me said:
Sinny91
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Well, I'm going to sleep, I'll try and wake up before EOD, what time is EOD?
Cheeseumpuffs
Proudly A Sheeple Since 2015
I'll respond to this and build a case against you tomorrow, if cheese doesn't flip red.
/vote cheese
My reasoning is here (copy/pasted from my notes):
1-Vote cheese. gives 3 votes to cheese and 1 on me. Cheese presumably swings to me. 3-2. I don't think Sinny or smithjohn pull of cheese. (Maybe smithy?, he seems easily influenced)
1a-cheese is red. yay we win.
1b-cheese is green. I am 99% certain helv is red. Presumably sinny dies. Me, smithjohn and helv left. Can I convince johnny that I'm the town and helv isn't? Unknown.
2-stick to helv. gives 2cheese, 1 me, 1helv. Cheese probably doesn't want to die so he votes helv(? more likely than voting me). Forces a no lynch either way
2a-no lynch sticks. Sinny probably dies. Even more bickering and wifoming between the three of us while smithjohn hops around without sinny to guide him.
2b-someone decides to counter the no lynch.
2bi-smithjohn swings to helv
2bi1-helv green. cheese is most likely wolf. I am in big trouble, though.
2bi2-helv red. yay we win.
2bii-sinny swings to helv
lol yeah right sinny isn't doing that.
2biii-helv swings to cheese (unlikely)
2biii1-cheese is green. Helv is likely wolf. Not next on sinny's pecking order, which means not next on smith's pecking order. Which means I am dead and helv wins.
2biii2-cheese is red. Yay we win.
2biv-I swing to cheese
see option 1
2bv-cheese does nothing because he can't swing to himself
see option 2a.
1a-cheese is red. yay we win.
1b-cheese is green. I am 99% certain helv is red. Presumably sinny dies. Me, smithjohn and helv left. Can I convince johnny that I'm the town and helv isn't? Unknown.
2-stick to helv. gives 2cheese, 1 me, 1helv. Cheese probably doesn't want to die so he votes helv(? more likely than voting me). Forces a no lynch either way
2a-no lynch sticks. Sinny probably dies. Even more bickering and wifoming between the three of us while smithjohn hops around without sinny to guide him.
2b-someone decides to counter the no lynch.
2bi-smithjohn swings to helv
2bi1-helv green. cheese is most likely wolf. I am in big trouble, though.
2bi2-helv red. yay we win.
2bii-sinny swings to helv
lol yeah right sinny isn't doing that.
2biii-helv swings to cheese (unlikely)
2biii1-cheese is green. Helv is likely wolf. Not next on sinny's pecking order, which means not next on smith's pecking order. Which means I am dead and helv wins.
2biii2-cheese is red. Yay we win.
2biv-I swing to cheese
see option 1
2bv-cheese does nothing because he can't swing to himself
see option 2a.
obviously, all the shenanigans surrounding a no lynch are less optimal than lynching cheese. Although, the thought did cross my mind that I should draw out the voting process some more and see if Helv flips to cheese. Scum Helv wants town blood, he doesn't give a shit who it is, and besides, he thinks he can skew a cheese mislynch to make me look scummy. I abandoned that thought, though, because it felt too convoluted.
cheese
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Ok, I'm back.
I don't want a no-lynch. I won't vote towards a no-lynch; I will vote where my mouth is, which currently is either Helv or Smith. I'm happy to die to if town thinks that provides the most info. However, in the meantime I'm going to make my cases.
I don't want a no-lynch. I won't vote towards a no-lynch; I will vote where my mouth is, which currently is either Helv or Smith. I'm happy to die to if town thinks that provides the most info. However, in the meantime I'm going to make my cases.
smithcommajohn
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I can vouch for Señor Quesopuffs' statement here. That was the convo we had.
smithcommajohn
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Blue, not green, because she was seer, right?
I thought we were all red (bad guys) or green (good guys). How many colors are there normally in this game?
smithcommajohn
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It's too damn early in the morning to mess with my mind like that!Orange = Vigi
Blue = Seer
Green = Vanilla Town
Red = Wolves
cheese
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Cases
smithcommajohn:
Helv:
Ok the last thing is kinda weird but mostly annoying. I'm Pmj's version of a town Treestump. My votes don't count. They're essentially useless. Any of you notice there've been no vote counts at EoD? I've been waiting for someone to notice but surprisingly no one has. I haven't mentioned it as a power role because lol (it's fucking not, it's the opposite of any kind of power), but more importantly I haven't mentioned it in any other capacity because it'd take some of the pressure off any potential vote I imply. I've been waiting for when I'd have time to make good cases and actually apply convincing pressure on potential scum - most of what I've managed to do so far is post my observations and explain game mechanics - but now I'm close to dead I might as well make it known my cases are all I can do, and not bother making a show of voting last minute any more. (I really don't like voting regardless though.)
I count as a villager, so if we get to 2v1 and I'm one of the 2, apparently we still win as long as Town reaches a consensus, ie solve the game. But I can't *vote* us there. And I can't vote tonight, not with any real power, anyway.
If you kill me, you'll still have 2v1 after the NK. Chances are you'll have narrowed it down enough by then. Sinny will be NK'd because she's confirmed Town and having her around makes it harder for scum to muddy the waters. There's no need for scum to attempt wifom by not NKing Sinny - no other kill is as advantageous. So last day will be down to Helv, Puffs and Smith.
I will get to Puffs if I can. I have to take care of a couple of things at home first. Fuck.
smithcommajohn:
Smith is my number 1 suspect. Sinny's endorsement doesn't mean anything to me - she's Vigilante, not Seer, and she's already been wrong in this game. I asked her to post the PMs, she didn't.
He's buddied up to her and switches his votes on Sinny's whims. There's very little consistency to his votes. It's a great way to be safe - sticking to the confirmed townie and going with everything she thinks.
My main reservation is that he's totally new to this game. A lot of what looks suspicious can just be confusion.
But by the same token, this would be a nice and simple strategy for newb scum not quite sure what to do - vote whatever the safest villager votes.
He thought I was completely town till I questioned him. This is very suspicious. It IS weird to stick almost entirely to another member's thoughts and get defensive and counter-accuse when questioned - this is pretty normal of noob scum behaviour. "I'm not scum, YOU'RE scum!"
Points in his favour:
He suspected QT in the beginning, as Sinny and I did. He also thought Yellow town, and RB a wolf (this was based on Sinny's thoughts though) (and keep in mind, scum has full info).
He went after QT's weird, apathetic denials
New, possibly just floundering
*edit at end of post, just noticed he voted QT first before anyone. This could be bussing to look good later in game, but that seems a bit advanced for a newb? dunn if clears or implicates
Points against him:
In the beginning, thinking Sinny is fine despite her acting the same way RB and QT did.
Saying several times he relies on his gut, as Puffs and I have both said we do, yet he gets no flak for it but we do.
Buddying up to Sinny and conveniently gaining the only confirmed townie's 100% endorsement (wtf) based on a series of PMs we haven't seen.
Having no real votes of his own and very little reason behind them.
Inconsistent voting (see above)
Immediately switching suspicion to me just because I question him as we are all supposed to do
And when Min claimed Seer, he suddenly didn't see that as reason at all to trust her, became suspicious of someone *else* for explaining the reasoning (Puffs), even though QT was the obvious lynch choice without a CC. That's a pretty good way to protect your scum buddy last minute while appearing to be suspicious of him in the beginning, where a lynch isn't close to foolproof.
Also just switched from Helv to me. Though that one is understandable for TownSmith, since he supposedly suspected us both, and Sinny's plan of going for one or the other makes sense (as long as there are connections in place as I said). Still, his switching makes me uncomfortable. What's his lynching plan for when I flip green? Helvete, who was his second suspect? Or would he forget that and just randomly lynch Puffs, because it's Sinny's second suspect and Helv's top? What are his actual reasons?
He's buddied up to her and switches his votes on Sinny's whims. There's very little consistency to his votes. It's a great way to be safe - sticking to the confirmed townie and going with everything she thinks.
My main reservation is that he's totally new to this game. A lot of what looks suspicious can just be confusion.
But by the same token, this would be a nice and simple strategy for newb scum not quite sure what to do - vote whatever the safest villager votes.
He thought I was completely town till I questioned him. This is very suspicious. It IS weird to stick almost entirely to another member's thoughts and get defensive and counter-accuse when questioned - this is pretty normal of noob scum behaviour. "I'm not scum, YOU'RE scum!"
Points in his favour:
He suspected QT in the beginning, as Sinny and I did. He also thought Yellow town, and RB a wolf (this was based on Sinny's thoughts though) (and keep in mind, scum has full info).
He went after QT's weird, apathetic denials
New, possibly just floundering
*edit at end of post, just noticed he voted QT first before anyone. This could be bussing to look good later in game, but that seems a bit advanced for a newb? dunn if clears or implicates
Points against him:
In the beginning, thinking Sinny is fine despite her acting the same way RB and QT did.
Saying several times he relies on his gut, as Puffs and I have both said we do, yet he gets no flak for it but we do.
Buddying up to Sinny and conveniently gaining the only confirmed townie's 100% endorsement (wtf) based on a series of PMs we haven't seen.
Having no real votes of his own and very little reason behind them.
Inconsistent voting (see above)
Immediately switching suspicion to me just because I question him as we are all supposed to do
And when Min claimed Seer, he suddenly didn't see that as reason at all to trust her, became suspicious of someone *else* for explaining the reasoning (Puffs), even though QT was the obvious lynch choice without a CC. That's a pretty good way to protect your scum buddy last minute while appearing to be suspicious of him in the beginning, where a lynch isn't close to foolproof.
Also just switched from Helv to me. Though that one is understandable for TownSmith, since he supposedly suspected us both, and Sinny's plan of going for one or the other makes sense (as long as there are connections in place as I said). Still, his switching makes me uncomfortable. What's his lynching plan for when I flip green? Helvete, who was his second suspect? Or would he forget that and just randomly lynch Puffs, because it's Sinny's second suspect and Helv's top? What are his actual reasons?
Helv:
Starts the game with a joke then says he's high and will shitpost. This is as lame and/or excusable as my busyness imo. It's reasonable, but also a good way to avoid having your Day 1 posts under scrutiny while gathering info on who else you can make a case on. Also, I just realised that he joke-wagoned Puffs from the very fucking beginning, and now Puffs is his biggest suspect? That is a really weird coincidence.
I don't know what this is. Scum giving advice to scum buddies? But that'd be retarded to do when he could just PM. Maybe he forgot there's a PM system, but that seems unlikely.
He also says a bunch of stuff about how scum would act and how he's not doing the same, and basically how people can be scum even if they look town, because he knows from experience how easy it is to blend in. This is about as useful as my stuff. I understand where it's coming from, trying to explain different perspectives based on experience, but it's not particularly useful.
Still, in his favour, I'm actually seeing lots of consistent questioning (reading through his whole filter right now). He asks everyone for their reasons for different actions. The one thing I'm not seeing is aggression, but imo it isn't necessary for gaining info off others... I also don't really know how Helvete plays, he seems to go pretty deep. I don't know if I could even pick up on scum shit when he does it.
He used QT's line to him, which a couple of us picked up on, as reason he can't possibly be scum, because QT wouldn't be so dumb as to so transparently signal his scum buddy in the public eye. This is a horrible wifom zone. How many more levels does an experienced player like QT think above us? Because this is actually a way of potentially confirming Helvete town, by doing something fucking retarded that everyone thinks you couldn't possibly do.
Meh, wifom territory sucks; this is too far of a reach and not very useful. I don't have time to analyse his votes in depth either, fuck. My notes say Helv voted RB early on and was one of the last on QT (and his vote wasn't necessary for majority - it'd been reached with Min I think, then Puffs was next then Helv). He voted for both scum; that's pretty exonerating, though he was late to the party with QT.
OK Helv looks pretty townly, though I'm not sure whether he is actually town. I'm gonna have to go through his whole filter again at some point if I'm still alive.
And I haven't even gone through Puffs' filter, sigh. I'm getting exhausted. He wasn't on my suspect list anyway, so I'm only gonna have a look at it later if I have the time.
Helvete said:
I don't know what this is. Scum giving advice to scum buddies? But that'd be retarded to do when he could just PM. Maybe he forgot there's a PM system, but that seems unlikely.
He also says a bunch of stuff about how scum would act and how he's not doing the same, and basically how people can be scum even if they look town, because he knows from experience how easy it is to blend in. This is about as useful as my stuff. I understand where it's coming from, trying to explain different perspectives based on experience, but it's not particularly useful.
Still, in his favour, I'm actually seeing lots of consistent questioning (reading through his whole filter right now). He asks everyone for their reasons for different actions. The one thing I'm not seeing is aggression, but imo it isn't necessary for gaining info off others... I also don't really know how Helvete plays, he seems to go pretty deep. I don't know if I could even pick up on scum shit when he does it.
He used QT's line to him, which a couple of us picked up on, as reason he can't possibly be scum, because QT wouldn't be so dumb as to so transparently signal his scum buddy in the public eye. This is a horrible wifom zone. How many more levels does an experienced player like QT think above us? Because this is actually a way of potentially confirming Helvete town, by doing something fucking retarded that everyone thinks you couldn't possibly do.
Meh, wifom territory sucks; this is too far of a reach and not very useful. I don't have time to analyse his votes in depth either, fuck. My notes say Helv voted RB early on and was one of the last on QT (and his vote wasn't necessary for majority - it'd been reached with Min I think, then Puffs was next then Helv). He voted for both scum; that's pretty exonerating, though he was late to the party with QT.
OK Helv looks pretty townly, though I'm not sure whether he is actually town. I'm gonna have to go through his whole filter again at some point if I'm still alive.
And I haven't even gone through Puffs' filter, sigh. I'm getting exhausted. He wasn't on my suspect list anyway, so I'm only gonna have a look at it later if I have the time.
Ok the last thing is kinda weird but mostly annoying. I'm Pmj's version of a town Treestump. My votes don't count. They're essentially useless. Any of you notice there've been no vote counts at EoD? I've been waiting for someone to notice but surprisingly no one has. I haven't mentioned it as a power role because lol (it's fucking not, it's the opposite of any kind of power), but more importantly I haven't mentioned it in any other capacity because it'd take some of the pressure off any potential vote I imply. I've been waiting for when I'd have time to make good cases and actually apply convincing pressure on potential scum - most of what I've managed to do so far is post my observations and explain game mechanics - but now I'm close to dead I might as well make it known my cases are all I can do, and not bother making a show of voting last minute any more. (I really don't like voting regardless though.)
I count as a villager, so if we get to 2v1 and I'm one of the 2, apparently we still win as long as Town reaches a consensus, ie solve the game. But I can't *vote* us there. And I can't vote tonight, not with any real power, anyway.
If you kill me, you'll still have 2v1 after the NK. Chances are you'll have narrowed it down enough by then. Sinny will be NK'd because she's confirmed Town and having her around makes it harder for scum to muddy the waters. There's no need for scum to attempt wifom by not NKing Sinny - no other kill is as advantageous. So last day will be down to Helv, Puffs and Smith.
I will get to Puffs if I can. I have to take care of a couple of things at home first. Fuck.
cheese
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Currently in the process of going through Puffs' filter. Will update asap.
Helvete
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thanks for your input cheese. We have an hour and 20 left before end of day.
My vote is on cheese because I can't get the puffs lynch today. In light of his claim I urge town to re-evaluate your stances and perhaps we can come to some other consensus.
Notice how puffs won't respond to me further? I just thought it's worth noting.
My vote is on cheese because I can't get the puffs lynch today. In light of his claim I urge town to re-evaluate your stances and perhaps we can come to some other consensus.
Notice how puffs won't respond to me further? I just thought it's worth noting.
Sinny91
Banned
When is EOD? I was hoping to have slept through it.
Sinny91
Banned
Oh, never mind. Hour n Half, yea?
Reading last minute please and cases now.
Reading last minute please and cases now.
Cheeseumpuffs
Proudly A Sheeple Since 2015
Notice how puffs has left the thread around the same time every night and then done his best to return about an hour or half an hour before end of day? It's almost as if he's been going to bed sometime between midnight and 2am and getting up at 8 in the fucking morning for this fucking dumbass game.
Sinny91
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Helvete
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sorry princess
Sinny91
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P.s, I thought PMJ was just being a lazy mofo.
Sinny91
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Okay, so if I'm going to swing from Cheese to anyone, it will probably be back to Helvete.
I know I spent ages last night moving the votes off him - but at least Cheese has finally offered some info that I can work with.
And what was with Helvete fucking blonde moments last night? Is he really that ignorant?
But I don't see why he'd fake that ignorance, considering I was helping and not hurting him last night. I dunno.. Was he playing some sort of WIFOM?
Helvete, how could you not understand my role?
I know I spent ages last night moving the votes off him - but at least Cheese has finally offered some info that I can work with.
And what was with Helvete fucking blonde moments last night? Is he really that ignorant?
But I don't see why he'd fake that ignorance, considering I was helping and not hurting him last night. I dunno.. Was he playing some sort of WIFOM?
Helvete, how could you not understand my role?
Helvete
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Blonde moments?! It was genius, just pmj messed up the setup or something...
Yeah I just kinda assumed you got more than one kill, I hadn't really thought about it a whole lot hence the assumption that with 3 wolves it could be ok. Remember there's nothing in the set up about roles, so you got told but for the rest of us we have to find out and obviously I'm not even familiar with the role.
You said yesterday that I'd probably be a mislynch, why have you changed your views?
Sinny91
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Cheeseumpuffs
Proudly A Sheeple Since 2015
ohmygodIwanttofuckingdie.
I just skimmed through most of Helvete's posts starting at day 2 and I'm actually starting to think he might be town
That said, if cheese's claim is true, my only options are him or smithjohn and smithjohn's done a wonderful job of making me think he's just a useless n00b player. I almost want you guys to kill me now so we can get this over with and I can stop devolving further into madness (my notes QT has at this point just become a space for me to tell myself how much I fucking suck at this game). BUT, if I have you guys put me out of my misery, then we don't get to see if cheese's claim is true which means we're left in the last day with three people who I cannot in good conscience trust at this point which would by wildly irresponsible.
I just skimmed through most of Helvete's posts starting at day 2 and I'm actually starting to think he might be town
That said, if cheese's claim is true, my only options are him or smithjohn and smithjohn's done a wonderful job of making me think he's just a useless n00b player. I almost want you guys to kill me now so we can get this over with and I can stop devolving further into madness (my notes QT has at this point just become a space for me to tell myself how much I fucking suck at this game). BUT, if I have you guys put me out of my misery, then we don't get to see if cheese's claim is true which means we're left in the last day with three people who I cannot in good conscience trust at this point which would by wildly irresponsible.
Sinny91
Banned
Yea, but I did clearly state that my powers were one shot only - otherwise, I'd be blowing brains out left right and centre. Durr.
I reserve the right to keep my motives to me self.
Sinny91
Banned
Well, Smiths is the only person I trust here.
Now I have to rapidly think who to remove.
Now I have to rapidly think who to remove.
Cheeseumpuffs
Proudly A Sheeple Since 2015
She's said multiple times leading up to that that it was a one-shot deal.
That said, I'm also curious why you're (sinny) wanting to vote Helvete now instead of me, seeing as your plan yesterday was to off cheese and then me?
Sinny91
Banned
I need more time
cheese
Prolific Member
Ok we're running out of time so all I can do before EoD is post a summary of Puffs' behaviour:
Started game by voting me for the same reason QT voted him (absence0
Switched vote to Shatonmydog because he was absent
Took pressure from Yellow well. Didn't sweat.
Found QT townish and Sinny and Min (both power roles) suspect.
Is willing to lynch a total unknown (Scrambledbuttcrackjoneshogmachine) till Yellow (town) points out the horrible math behind it (mislynch could land town in lylo the next day, because of 6:3 setup). But otherwise remains surprisingly cool.
Also did further math and worked out no-lynch is best for town. This is definitely pro-town.
Fuck, just saw this random thing by Yellow on Helvete:
Except Helvete did eventually think Puffs a wolf. But I guess not at the time.
Ok, continuing:
Explains himself calmly and coolly multiple times to TownYellow, who for some reason keeps pressuring him. His responses make sense to me, mostly.
Disappears for a while.
Develops a 'bad feeling' about Min while QT is acting weird.
Suggests town power roles reveal themselves (dangerous; should've made use of PM system perhaps)
RB was his top town read?
Reads Helv and smith as town, doesn't have a read on me (I was largely absent still)
Doesn't notice anything off about Sinny; continues to press on Minuend. Sees her cases as deflecting from RB to Helvete.
Claimed Min flip-flopped on the firmness of her thoughts about Sinny.
Eventually settles on QT and Helv being town, and Min being a wolf.
This last bit is worrying. He's got one town read along with a scum-read-as-town, so either death implicates the other (Helv flips green, QT looks greener; QT flips red, Helv looks red). He has Min down as wolf to try and push a lynch on her. IMO he made a good case, but scum aren't incapable of making good case.
Continuing:
He jumps right on board when Min claims Seer though. This is towny, but also what scum unwilling to CC would do. Why would they be unwilling to CC? Because they'd lynch Puffs, Min or QT. As soon as Min flips green, the other scum would be lynched. CC'ing actually would place both scum in much greater danger of being lynched.
Takes his case against Min back and claims it was bullshit and based off intuition and confirmation bias. While part of me thinks "wtf", I also know this is exactly how I think as town. I can't get anything off this even though it *looks* suspicious, because I know I do the exact same thing. Fuck.
Explains the math behind believing Min - this is a good Town move, also good for scum to make.
Responds to me in a way which looks like 'buddying' but which is how I would also respond to him (and how I wrote to him). Lol fuck, this is getting too much. I can't tell if Puffs is town and we're both just Ne-doming each other or if he's read me that well he knows how to get under my skin?
Joins as a vote on QT after majority has already been reached (followed by Helv's vote).
Starts seeing Helv as suspicious because of his 'mild-mannered vibe' which is similar to his previous scum game.
Implies smith can't be scum because too newb to know how to play properly.
Explains a lot of game mechanics to Smith (fair enough, we all wanted to make sure he knew what was going on)
Gets an 'itchy feeling' about Helv
Continues to be suspicious of Helv; points finger at smith for mining info; posts PMs
Biggest red flag: SWITCHES VOTE TO ME despite voicing suspicion at Helv over and over. Says he will make his case against Helv TOMORROW. Why is this? Why didn't I pick up on this earlier?
Ffs, I literally can't read Puffs! He's too similar to me, and everything he says sounds like a natural Ne dom mind. It's clouding my read too much, it's like reading my own head. I was also completely unable to read Goph (scum) last game in spectator thread for the same reason. Motherfucker.
Motherfuckkerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Does anyone see anything of use in my summary? Sorry, just trying to do what I can while I've got the time.
Oh mb Puffs did post why he picked me. There are soooo many options there.....
Started game by voting me for the same reason QT voted him (absence0
Switched vote to Shatonmydog because he was absent
Took pressure from Yellow well. Didn't sweat.
Found QT townish and Sinny and Min (both power roles) suspect.
Is willing to lynch a total unknown (Scrambledbuttcrackjoneshogmachine) till Yellow (town) points out the horrible math behind it (mislynch could land town in lylo the next day, because of 6:3 setup). But otherwise remains surprisingly cool.
Also did further math and worked out no-lynch is best for town. This is definitely pro-town.
Fuck, just saw this random thing by Yellow on Helvete:
Yellow said:Yes, if he [cheese edit: She was referring to cheeseumpuffs. Pg 2 of thread] proves to be a wolf, then your intro, and then your Q&A with QuickTwist looks a little suspicious. Again though, if he isn't a wolf, it's not quite enough to worry me.
So if you don't think he's a wolf, I suppose there's nothing to worry about!
Except Helvete did eventually think Puffs a wolf. But I guess not at the time.
Ok, continuing:
Explains himself calmly and coolly multiple times to TownYellow, who for some reason keeps pressuring him. His responses make sense to me, mostly.
Disappears for a while.
Develops a 'bad feeling' about Min while QT is acting weird.
Suggests town power roles reveal themselves (dangerous; should've made use of PM system perhaps)
RB was his top town read?
Reads Helv and smith as town, doesn't have a read on me (I was largely absent still)
Doesn't notice anything off about Sinny; continues to press on Minuend. Sees her cases as deflecting from RB to Helvete.
Claimed Min flip-flopped on the firmness of her thoughts about Sinny.
Eventually settles on QT and Helv being town, and Min being a wolf.
This last bit is worrying. He's got one town read along with a scum-read-as-town, so either death implicates the other (Helv flips green, QT looks greener; QT flips red, Helv looks red). He has Min down as wolf to try and push a lynch on her. IMO he made a good case, but scum aren't incapable of making good case.
Continuing:
He jumps right on board when Min claims Seer though. This is towny, but also what scum unwilling to CC would do. Why would they be unwilling to CC? Because they'd lynch Puffs, Min or QT. As soon as Min flips green, the other scum would be lynched. CC'ing actually would place both scum in much greater danger of being lynched.
Takes his case against Min back and claims it was bullshit and based off intuition and confirmation bias. While part of me thinks "wtf", I also know this is exactly how I think as town. I can't get anything off this even though it *looks* suspicious, because I know I do the exact same thing. Fuck.
Explains the math behind believing Min - this is a good Town move, also good for scum to make.
Responds to me in a way which looks like 'buddying' but which is how I would also respond to him (and how I wrote to him). Lol fuck, this is getting too much. I can't tell if Puffs is town and we're both just Ne-doming each other or if he's read me that well he knows how to get under my skin?
Joins as a vote on QT after majority has already been reached (followed by Helv's vote).
Starts seeing Helv as suspicious because of his 'mild-mannered vibe' which is similar to his previous scum game.
Implies smith can't be scum because too newb to know how to play properly.
Explains a lot of game mechanics to Smith (fair enough, we all wanted to make sure he knew what was going on)
Gets an 'itchy feeling' about Helv
Continues to be suspicious of Helv; points finger at smith for mining info; posts PMs
Biggest red flag: SWITCHES VOTE TO ME despite voicing suspicion at Helv over and over. Says he will make his case against Helv TOMORROW. Why is this? Why didn't I pick up on this earlier?
Ffs, I literally can't read Puffs! He's too similar to me, and everything he says sounds like a natural Ne dom mind. It's clouding my read too much, it's like reading my own head. I was also completely unable to read Goph (scum) last game in spectator thread for the same reason. Motherfucker.
Motherfuckkerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Does anyone see anything of use in my summary? Sorry, just trying to do what I can while I've got the time.
Oh mb Puffs did post why he picked me. There are soooo many options there.....
Sinny91
Banned
Cheese if you are PMJ's version of the Treestump ca you please clarify the title of your role??
Helvete
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Ok but your job is still to convince town.
Are you still happy with the cheese wagon?
I'm not and this only leaves puffs or john.
I've been green reading john due to his noobishness and his apparent lack of knowledge of how the mafia operate as a group. If this is made up bull then good game and well played.
But right now these are the only options to avoid mislynch
UNVOTE
Sinny91
Banned
No, I'm not
Vote Cheeseypuffs
Basically, all my contradictory actions were in view of applying pressure on you all and hoping somebody would crack.
cheese
Prolific Member
Sinny, the role is called Treestump, just like Min's was called Seer despite being modified.
Uh, also because you haven't responded to my PM, I'm gonna have to post this here.
In the joke PM I sent out I got some cool responses. I glanced over them before making my cases and before replying. I completely missed what Sinny had sent till I looked at it the second time. She'd just said, "Hi from sinny" with a pic of a wolf superimposed over her face. I missed that it was a wolf the first time; needless to say it freaked me the fuck out.
Sinny it's in your best interests to verify that I did in fact send this PM.
I haven't received a reply and I'm freaking out. I wouldn't put it past pmj to do this even though it unbalances the game like fucking crazy.
Uh, also because you haven't responded to my PM, I'm gonna have to post this here.
In the joke PM I sent out I got some cool responses. I glanced over them before making my cases and before replying. I completely missed what Sinny had sent till I looked at it the second time. She'd just said, "Hi from sinny" with a pic of a wolf superimposed over her face. I missed that it was a wolf the first time; needless to say it freaked me the fuck out.
Sinny it's in your best interests to verify that I did in fact send this PM.
cheese said:
I haven't received a reply and I'm freaking out. I wouldn't put it past pmj to do this even though it unbalances the game like fucking crazy.
Sinny91
Banned
And Unvote Cheese, obvs.
Cheeseumpuffs
Proudly A Sheeple Since 2015
At the time I wasn't thinking about the fact we were allowed to communicate privately. I had forgotten it was an option until SmithyJ started PMing me.
I don't follow this logic. How does my read on one affect the validity of my read on the other?
That's just the tip of the option-iceberg. You should see the tree I made when trying to sort through the Minu-claim situation.
Actually fuck it, for the sake of transparency here it is (formatting is going to be fucked by the fact that the forum doesn't let me indent very well):
Minu Claims
-no counter claim.
-we kill QT
-QT is mafia. Minu confirmed blue. We're at 4 vs 1 next day (gives us two days, if necessary). (Most likely scenario, as of now)
-QT is town. Minu confirmed red. We lynch her next. 2 vs 1 last day.
-we kill minu (which would be dumb)
-minu is wolf. We're at 4 vs 1. QT not necessarily in the clear? Could be elaborate bus. I don't actually know for sure.
-minu is blue. We kill QT and are at 2 vs 1.
-counter claim
-QT claims seer.
-We kill QT
-QT is red. Minu is blue. 4 vs 1.
-QT is blue. Minu is red. Kill her. 2v1
-We kill Minu
-minu is red. QT is blue. 4v1
-minu is blue. Qt is red. Kill him. 2v1
-cheese, helv, or smith claim. If one of them CCs, I'd say they're likely not the wolf, as they'll have just revealed the entire wolf team.
-we kill the counter claimer
-CCer is blue. Minu is red. Kill her. 2v1. Success of final matchup depends on CCer's reads.
-CCer is red. Minu is blue. CCer and QT confirmed red. Game over.
-we kill minu
-minu blue. CCer and QT are red. game over
-minu red. CCer is blue. 2v1. Success of final matchup depends on CCer's reads.
-no counter claim.
-we kill QT
-QT is mafia. Minu confirmed blue. We're at 4 vs 1 next day (gives us two days, if necessary). (Most likely scenario, as of now)
-QT is town. Minu confirmed red. We lynch her next. 2 vs 1 last day.
-we kill minu (which would be dumb)
-minu is wolf. We're at 4 vs 1. QT not necessarily in the clear? Could be elaborate bus. I don't actually know for sure.
-minu is blue. We kill QT and are at 2 vs 1.
-counter claim
-QT claims seer.
-We kill QT
-QT is red. Minu is blue. 4 vs 1.
-QT is blue. Minu is red. Kill her. 2v1
-We kill Minu
-minu is red. QT is blue. 4v1
-minu is blue. Qt is red. Kill him. 2v1
-cheese, helv, or smith claim. If one of them CCs, I'd say they're likely not the wolf, as they'll have just revealed the entire wolf team.
-we kill the counter claimer
-CCer is blue. Minu is red. Kill her. 2v1. Success of final matchup depends on CCer's reads.
-CCer is red. Minu is blue. CCer and QT confirmed red. Game over.
-we kill minu
-minu blue. CCer and QT are red. game over
-minu red. CCer is blue. 2v1. Success of final matchup depends on CCer's reads.
cheese
Prolific Member
I do strongly doubt there was even an alpha to begin with, and I know Sinny only just woke up which is presumably why she hasn't replied since this thread is more important.
But I gotta post it just in case (dunno if will live through the night). Also cos lol, what the fuck.
But I gotta post it just in case (dunno if will live through the night). Also cos lol, what the fuck.
Sinny91
Banned
Sinny91
Banned
That PM, you did send.
Wake up, I just did.
Right Cheesepuffs wagon then?
Wake up, I just did.
Right Cheesepuffs wagon then?
smithcommajohn
Do not consume with alcohol
Why isn't this getting any easier?
Helvete's mental collapse last night made me lose suspicion on him, but was that just a great act? It seemed genuine like doped up or drunk and I felt genuine pity on him because he seemed like he was trying to be helpful, but failing miserably.
Cheese was my number 2, but has now made a really decent post with analysis that seems townie. It focused only on myself and Helvete, with a promise that Puffs was coming ASAP. Still waiting.
Puffs is still green for me, but there is still a shadow of a doubt there.
Helvete's mental collapse last night made me lose suspicion on him, but was that just a great act? It seemed genuine like doped up or drunk and I felt genuine pity on him because he seemed like he was trying to be helpful, but failing miserably.
Cheese was my number 2, but has now made a really decent post with analysis that seems townie. It focused only on myself and Helvete, with a promise that Puffs was coming ASAP. Still waiting.
Puffs is still green for me, but there is still a shadow of a doubt there.
Cheeseumpuffs
Proudly A Sheeple Since 2015
You know very well that your input affects peoples' opinions, yeah?
Fucking genius, man. You're evil you fucking bastard.
cheese
Prolific Member
I don't follow this logic. How does my read on one affect the validity of my read on the other?
Basically, if you were scum, you wouldn't read a buddy alone without pairing him with someone else who's town. That way if the scum dies, the one you paired him with looks sus. If the townie dies, the scum looks greener.
I have no idea if this makes sense though. It's 1.30am.
Puffs said:
lol!
smithcommajohn
Do not consume with alcohol
Wait, what? Cheeseumpuffs now?