Noddy's Rant

[QSR]

I've got a couple of comments on this.

First of all, the moderators could keep some of the nonsense in check by being a little more proactive against posters who are clearly trying to troll.

Secondly, every forum has its own personality. This one has a very very serious air about it that lends itself to getting trolled in a certain way. In a lot of other forums I go to, the users would simply dismiss a poster like Face as an idiot and he would just be ignored and stop posting. I go to one forum that has a severely sarcastic streak and everyone gets it, so I enjoy hanging out there.

I think INTPs tend to appreciate authenticity more than the average person, so that's what we expect to have here.

Oh and there are certain people who simply wish to be the center of attention, so they figure out a way to do it. Forum celebrities emerge on every forum. It's too bad that the ones who have emerged here happen to be inauthentic. Perhaps INTPs simply are a boring lot and we don't like to be the center of things. I know I've never found myself to draw much attention from anyone anywhere.

 

[Sapphire Harp]

Aye, QSR. It's very hard to not get caught up by this kind of person - but it essentially amounts to nothing more than that... This type of troll will do whatever they can to keep everyone focused on themselves. Working in theatre, I've known more than a few in real life...

Offending, insulting, surprising, and amazing you are all attempts at this. When they succeed, it's hard not to respond... but I guess you just have to try and be strong by letting it go...

However, better than that is to build something everyone approves of. I've been trying to push back by creating threads I think are worthwhile, but I can only do so much thinking every day - and most of it isn't stuff worth sharing.

As a challenge, I say - if you've been annoyed with threads and posts which are primarily about creating drama - then create a new thread about something that interests you. Right now.

Or revive your favorite old one.
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[Melkor]

I love it when Noddy rants..

It's rather similar to when, in the ancient roman collesium, on the odd occassion, the gladiators would have a day off, save for one brave soul, who would procede to the arena, and for hours on end amaze and terrify the crowds with his imaginary battles and feats of brilliance as he generally violated most laws of philosphy,physics and human dignity.


Auburn made a voice comment?

AND NO-ONE REPLIED IN VOICE?

I must rectify this.

 

[NoID10ts]

I love it when Noddy rants..

It's rather similar to when, in the ancient roman collesium, on the odd occassion, the gladiators would have a day off, save for one brave soul, who would procede to the arena, and for hours on end amaze and terrify the crowds with his imaginary battles and feats of brilliance as he generally violated most laws of philosphy,physics and human dignity.


Auburn made a voice comment?

AND NO REPLIED IN VOICE?

I must rectify this.

This is what happens when I don't have you around to ruthlessly abuse. I have no outlet and so I rant.

 

[Melkor]

Terrible isn't it?

-shoots Noddy in the foot-

I'll be taking your dignity...

Thank you..

-runs-

 

[NoID10ts]

Terrible isn't it?

-shoots Noddy in the foot-

I'll be taking your dignity...

Thank you..

-runs-

Watches as Melkor runs away empty handed

 

[Melkor]

Oh..thats not your dignity?

it must be your mentality then!

-trips-

 

[Tyria]

*helps Melkor up*

 

[Melkor]

-looks at crimson night with supsicious eyes-


Wha?

Kindness...

-Melkors brain hurriedly digests this new phenomenom-

Hrm..ho..hum...

I guess...it's a way of leaving me bare and open, so that he may plunge a dagger into my heart when I look sideways..


AHA!

I shall not fall for your cruel tricks!

-escapes the outstretched hand and falls over Noddies mentality again-

Damn..why must this thing be sooo slippery...

 

[NoID10ts]

I keep my mentality oozing with lubricants, that way I can slip in and out of any situation. I also keep spare mentalities in my wallet so you have that one if you like.

 

[Melkor]

-Melkor considers this from his slippery, prone position-

Very well then..

Hand it over..

the whole wallet if you please.

 

[NoID10ts]

-Melkor considers this from his slippery, prone position-

Very well then..

Hand it over..

the whole wallet if you please.

Wishful thinker, eh?

 

[Melkor]

Look, I'd get up and grab it off you, but I'm afraid I might slip and break my fragile neck.


Pleaassee?

 

[NoID10ts]

Fine.

* Just when Melkor reaches for it, Noddy pulls it away, teasingly, and Melkor falls and breaks his fragile neck. *

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

So let me see if I get this straight.....

I go off for a couple weeks and the place first turns into a shitfest of insults and bad feelings. NoI rants (a good one too that I agree with). There's sort of reconciliations of some sorts going on and then Melly and Noddy go back to their endless dueling? Is that the basic gist of it? I don't have time to read everything.


So now, let me say something about openess and honesty. I realise I am only partly open about myself. I don't think I hide anything as much as I don't volunteer everything (or very much perhaps?). I'm sure I'm not the only one but I'll try to be better about volunteering more about myself.

I'll begin right here:

Tomorrow I go for an MRI and will find out if I need back surgery (will be my third surgery/fourth major proceedure). If I do, I'll probably have it within a month and for awhile I'll be on much better pain killers than I'm currently on. I can be silly/funny on Percocet so you can expect that from me if it all goes down. Otherwise things will be the same (is it different? Probably not but oh well).

That's it...........FOR NOW!

 

[severus]

So let me see if I get this straight.....

I go off for a couple weeks and the place first turns into a shitfest of insults and bad feelings. NoI rants (a good one too that I agree with). There's sort of reconciliations of some sorts going on and then Melly and Noddy go back to their endless dueling? Is that the basic gist of it? I don't have time to read everything.

Yep. That's about it.
See Also: http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=3169

 

[severus]

Why did my post need approving? Because of the link?

 

[Tyria]

*carefully and gently picks up melkor; shakes head side to side when melkor says 'a way of leaving me bare and open'*

So let me see if I get this straight.....

I go off for a couple weeks and the place first turns into a shitfest of insults and bad feelings. NoI rants (a good one too that I agree with). There's sort of reconciliations of some sorts going on and then Melly and Noddy go back to their endless dueling? Is that the basic gist of it? I don't have time to read everything.


So now, let me say something about openess and honesty. I realise I am only partly open about myself. I don't think I hide anything as much as I don't volunteer everything (or very much perhaps?). I'm sure I'm not the only one but I'll try to be better about volunteering more about myself.

I'll begin right here:

Tomorrow I go for an MRI and will find out if I need back surgery (will be my third surgery/fourth major proceedure). If I do, I'll probably have it within a month and for awhile I'll be on much better pain killers than I'm currently on. I can be silly/funny on Percocet so you can expect that from me if it all goes down. Otherwise things will be the same (is it different? Probably not but oh well).

That's it...........FOR NOW!

Hope you feel better. I'm glad your pain killers are better; postop can be painful. Take it easy if you can, and take good care of yourself.

 

[fullerene]

yeah, sev. the spam filter holds back all posts with external links (minus a few exceptions, Jesin said he thought a while ago) until a mod goes into the spam filter and lets the legitimate ones through.

 

[snowqueen]

So now, let me say something about openess and honesty. I realise I am only partly open about myself. I don't think I hide anything as much as I don't volunteer everything (or very much perhaps?). I'm sure I'm not the only one but I'll try to be better about volunteering more about myself.

I'll begin right here:

Tomorrow I go for an MRI and will find out if I need back surgery (will be my third surgery/fourth major proceedure). If I do, I'll probably have it within a month and for awhile I'll be on much better pain killers than I'm currently on. I can be silly/funny on Percocet so you can expect that from me if it all goes down. Otherwise things will be the same (is it different? Probably not but oh well).

That's it...........FOR NOW!

Good luck with the back IB. I used to work in pain management and made a self-hypnosis routine which I'm happy to send as a .wav to you if you like. One of my clients said it was 'better than morphine'!! pm me if you're interested.

 

[Toad]

If this is a public forum, than people should be able to say whatever they want as long as they follow the rules of the forum. I feel that some old members are trying to keep this place just for themselves. They don't want change. This forum kind of reminds me of small rural towns that won't accept new citizens because they are different. So now I just lurk instead of actively participating in the forum as to not offend the old members. You guys can keep your little haven.



We all have our different opinions and style. We should all be able to express ourselves freely.

 

[Ermine]

If this is a public forum, than people should be able to say whatever they want as long as they follow the rules of the forum. I feel that some old members are trying to keep this place just for themselves. They don't want change. This forum kind of reminds me of small rural towns that won't accept new citizens because they are different. So now I just lurk instead of actively participating in the forum as to not offend the old members. You guys can keep your little haven.



We all have our different opinions and style. We should all be able to express ourselves freely.

Yes, this is a public forum, but there's such thing as courtesy. And as a long time member here, I don't mind change. For example, when Noddy and Melkor/Morgoth dropped in, it was a little unsettling because they were dramatically different from the other more serious members. However, they have assimilated well partly because they are jokers with a context. There's humor and substance. The thing I do mind is people making light of a place that is worth a lot to me.

 

[Auburn]

Beautifully said Ermine.

We all have our different opinions and style. We should all be able to express ourselves freely.

True, and those of us here striving for a deeper unity should also be able to express our opinions, no? I have expressed my sentiments in regards to this subject just as you have.

I am all for freedom of expression, don't get me wrong. Ultimately it's this freedom that lead this forum to change to what it did, and also to what it is. This place is shaped with every member, and it becomes what the members make of it.

This forum will follow a natural course of change, whether that be community or greater distance. I desire one over the other not because one is better than the other, but because it is my personal opinion - and one which I'm free to voice just as you.

The natural course of the past somehow shaped this forum into something grand. Now, that same natural course will take it to be something else. It cannot be controlled, but then again, it can. Since the future outcome of this forum is no more than what we members make of it, then, as a member, I will do my part and attempt to make it what I wish it to be...

 

[Tyria]

I think people have the right to express themself, but should do so in a reasonable manner. The rules should be followed of course, but courtesy online is important too... with rights come responsibilities. We may not feel as responsible because what we say is online is one thing, and we may never see the people who read it. But humans (strangers, friends, and everything in between) ARE reading what we write... and they WILL react accordingly based on their personality (or experiences, values, beliefs, etc).

As always, the chance for misunderstanding in any communication remains. Since people cannot ask us (like in a conversation), they will read posts as discrete entities (as if that is all the person has to say). They will also respond to that entity; how many times have we found what we said to not mean everything we meant? We also lack facial expressions for what we are saying (since it is online), so it can be more difficult for others to tell if we are joking or not about what they say.

I think these conflicts are a catalyst for division that already exists in our mind (I'm indirectly quoting someone special that told me something like this).

As always, this forum is what we make it out to be. I'd love to be able to drop in knowing I can have honest discussion with others without being flamed, ridiculed, or made fun of. You can find that on just about any other forum; I think this place is special and more so are the people here. We can do great things, or we can tear each other apart with strife. I'd rather choose to heal than to hurt; there are good people here, and no one deserves to be treated badly. And I don't want there to be division among members; I think we all know what it feels like to be an outsider looking in. Isn't that why we are here; to be equals and to share with each other the things we can't with others? I don't want to see people become outcasts where there shouldn't be any.

We are a kind of a family; let's look out for each other.

 

[echoplex]

I think we have to accept the fact that there will be varying degrees of how much someone is willing to reveal of themselves. Some will bare their soul, most will reveal some but not alot, and others will mostly offer their thoughts without much self-disclosure. Is more self-disclosure a reasonable desire? Of course, but I don't think it's realistic to expect that from everyone. There is still worthwhile input to be found from those who hide behind their own walls, even if it's not as much.

I tend to view other users quite optimistically. I try to see whatever positive expression they offer and I focus on that. There may also be annoying input from that user, and they may leave much to be desired, but I still try to focus on and appreciate whatever positive they seem to offer. It's always tempting to think of what could've been (or could be) from users who don't reveal as much as some do, but I don't think it's something that should be expected from everyone.

That said, the one thing we should expect is respect. I think it's sometimes difficult to tell if certain behavior is indicative of disrespect or is just an extension of how that person expresses themselves. Perhaps if we all made more of an effort to understand the expression of others and to help others understand our own, we could avoid the feelings of resentment that some users have felt.

 

[snowqueen]

If this is a public forum, than people should be able to say whatever they want as long as they follow the rules of the forum. I feel that some old members are trying to keep this place just for themselves. They don't want change. This forum kind of reminds me of small rural towns that won't accept new citizens because they are different. So now I just lurk instead of actively participating in the forum as to not offend the old members. You guys can keep your little haven.



We all have our different opinions and style. We should all be able to express ourselves freely.

I was wondering where you'd gone

 

[GTPJay]

I may be totally alone on this, I’ve often felt like a freak even among freaks, but I need to put this into words as much for myself as for anyone else. I may start a shit storm for myself and regret it, but here it goes anyway. I almost posted this in XIII’s “Psychic Powers” thread, but I’m creating a new one to keep from derailing anything and try to keep everyone happy as much as that’s possible.

Over the past few months, I’ve gotten a bit contentious with certain members like XIII, face, Da Blob and a few others (publically, privately, and in my head). I’ve been trying to piece together what it is that gets me so frustrated and it really comes down to authenticity.

In my life I strive to be authentic. I do my best to never put up fronts and to maintain a spirit of honesty and integrity. That being said, I bullshit a lot here, but I think the people who know me, know the difference. Maybe I carry things too far and maybe I make jokes when I shouldn’t, but I almost () never mean harm. Within reason, if someone wants to know anything about me, I’ll be honest and upfront about it. I think I’ve shown that here, as have many of our members.

Authenticity is of the utmost importance to me, and I suspect to a lot of INTP's, especially in a world where everyone seems to be full of shit. I see so many people put up so many fronts and I just get tired of it. I value people who just let it all hang out, who aren’t trying to impress anyone, who aren’t afraid to be wrong, who are wounded, and flawed.

I’ve been a doormat for most of my life, and I’m tired of being looked down on, and walked over, lied to, and taken advantage of. I tend to take the path of least resistance and it is usually easier to be taken advantage of, then fight.

Pathetic but true.

This forum has been an incredibly important place for me, because it has allowed me to be authentic in a way I am not allowed to be in my day to day life. Here, I am allowed to be quirky and have a sick sense of humor and be contentious on issues of faith and spirituality. I can find people who share my disdain of public places and the masses and my general social ineptitude. My whole life, I have been asked to apologize for these things, but here, it’s okay.

This used to be a safe place for people like me.

So when I see new members pop in and act like they are here to school us, and take advantage of us, and give us no reason to trust them, I get pissed. It’s a reflection of the general inauthenticity I am subjected to everywhere else, and it’s like pissing in my spring water, or befouling my temple.

Face never gave us any context, no information, no authenticity. I don’t trust people that have no true, accessible personality. Most of you don't even truly know what sex Face is or their Mbti type or even their age. Doesn't that alarm you? Publically, they were no one; privately, they were whoever you wanted them to be. I’ll almost guarantee you that more than one of you think you know the true face, but if you compared notes with others you would find nothing but falsehoods.

Maybe I’m truly and deeply wrong about that, but it’s what I think.

XIII is similar in some ways. No context, no authenticity. It’s all games and experiments. When XIII first appeared I was interested in what he had to say. I admit I was intrigued. But then the personality shifts, and then the insults (now conveniently deleted), the sudden departure, and the sudden return. Why should I take anything this person says seriously?

Respect has to be earned.

I’ve seen important parts of this community, people I considered friends leave this place. I can’t help but wonder if it’s because of this type of thing. In some cases I know it is. Maybe I have been a contributing factor, but I like to think I've been around here long enough to be trusted.

Ultimately, I think that perhaps it comes down to context. If EB had posted everything XIII had posted, I would listen and consider and engage seriously, because it’s EB and I have a context there. If loveofreason told me she was abducted by aliens (a very real possibility ), I wouldn't make fun of her if I thought she was serious. I might not believe her, but I wouldn't make light of it. Same with Melkor, Nia, Kidege, AI, Ermine, Auburn, Decaf, Snowqueen, Ogion, Anthile, FusionKnight, cryptonia, snail, Jesin, Wisp and the list goes on.

Without context, when someone just appears here and starts bullshitting everyone, how should they expect to be received? If you’re new, take some time to get to know everyone. Build some trust here and let us familiarize ourselves with you a little and vice versa. You wouldn’t just walk into a party and say “fuck you all I’m here and that’s all that matters”, would you? Read though people’s old posts; get to know their quirks and maybe try and see where their boundaries are.

I'm shocked that people roll in here, heavy handed, and then wonder why they get labeled trolls and are met with some disdain. And usually the people who support these miscreants are new themselves and also lack the context to make an informed judgment.

And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against new people. We were all new at one time. Just take some time to get to know us. Some of us take this place seriously. Some of us need it. Why would you take pleasure in destroying that?

Maybe I have no right to say anything, maybe I am alone on this island, but I just needed to articulate this while it was fresh on my mind.

I will receive all my hate mail here in my sewer abode, but I can't promise you I will read it.

Peace, if there be such a thing.

I'm with you on the authenticity and the doormat stuff.

 

[fullerene]

If this is a public forum, than people should be able to say whatever they want as long as they follow the rules of the forum.

uhh...

GENERAL RULES


INTP Forum General Rules of Conduct

This is not a democracy. Whilst members' views are sought and welcomed, they do not decide the administration of the forum.

01/ Don't be a nuisance.

02/ No Trolls. No Flaming. No attacks on personalities or groups. No Spam. No Porn links.

...

06/ Both being annoying, and/or posting fluff ( including trivia, harrassment of individuals, and overexcitement ) will restrict the member concerned to post in Siberia for a time decided by the mod concerned.

....

09/ Edit/Deletes: Mass editing/deleting of posts is not allowed. If you choose to leave the forum your posts will stay behind. Exceptions can be made for personal blog threads.


I couldn't quote it directly for some reason (with the link in the litle blue box and all)... but they're found at http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7. The people that noddy's complaining about certainly broke 1, 2, and 6, and I know XIII's stuff broke #9, as well. Freedom of expression is at the heart of this place (unquoted, rule #3), but it's not like the people who were complaining about a bunch of the newer people have no reason for it. I just don't think that most new people ever read the rules, but instead just sort of assumed they weren't being broken.

I am sort-of with you on older-members trying to hold a piece of this forum to themselves, but don't think that's the biggest issue here.

 

[Anthile]

For me rule one is more a general guideline. Or have you ever heard someone saying They have nothing in the rules about being a nuisance!, hm?

Rule two is okay except for "No attacks on personalities or groups" which is very blurry. "Personal attacks" would have been better. And what groups? Catholics? Swedes? PETA?

The sixth rule is the most dangerous. That part about fluff is okay of course, but annoying? You can justify everything with this simple word.
Your posting was annoyingly long, Cryptonia. You are banned.
It bothers me that our members are at the mercy of such a risky rule.

Number nine is pretty much useless. It's like punishing people for suicide. When people do that they usually won't come back. And they do it while under stress and/or being mad at people in a forum so they don't care anymore. But if they do come back. What will you do then?
Welcome back, x. Oh - and you're banned.
The other problem is that you can't recover deleted postings and you can't see which postings have been deleted without looking at all postings of that person. Which means a lot of work - regarding a person who isn't even there anymore.

Also, I doubt that older people around here read the rules either. To be honest, it took me about a whole month to realize that we even had such rules. Why? Because rules in forums are mostly the same.

In my opinion the rules are seriously flawed. I'm afraid Ragnar hasn't put too much thought into that.
I said in the past that I'd like to rewrite the rules from scratch. I think I will do that.

 

[QSR]

To Slyguy--we want new members and for the forum to expand. I just think the problem happens when certain people try to dominate the conversation in every sub-forum.

Anthile--maybe we should try to come to a consensus as a community about rules for the forum. Rules is a bad term--perhaps guidelines for the mods makes more sense.

 

[Decaf]

Rules is a bad term

Hmm... how about a Community Charter? Rules to me always feels like something enforced from the outside (though that statement would start an argument with any J saying "but you're part of the culture that created those rules, blah blah blah" ). These are rules to protect what we have without chasing away those that want to share it with us.

 

[EloquentBohemian]

^^ "Community Charter"

 

[Kuu]

"Moderator Takeover Act"

"Codex of Compulsory Correctness"

"How to handle your INTPness in public, for dummies"

"Devious Directives"

"Insufferable Instructions"

"Iniquity 101"

"Heretic's Handbook"

"Orders of Overlordly Oppression"

^_^

 

[loveofreason]

Anthile--maybe we should try to come to a consensus as a community about rules for the forum. Rules is a bad term--perhaps guidelines for the mods makes more sense.

We started a project/threads for contextualising the forum community and discussing our expectations... but it kind of ran out of steam.

Perhaps we can revisit it:

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=2808

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=2340


You know, here, in this whole situation our logic fails us. We are human. A group of humans with particularly low emotional intelligence .

If we expect ourselves to behave in a perfectly impartial manner toward everyone; if we expect a set of rules to save us from prefering certain people's company over others... then we are just in denial of our human nature.

And that - fighting our own humanity - makes no sense.

Being a 'public' forum does not mean we must accept each and every approach made to us - any more than any individual 'should' accept any kind of treatment simply because someone says You have no right to reject me! You're stifling my expression!

This 'public' place is a home to many. If someone comes in dragging their muddy boots over the furniture then they can expect to be disliked.

If someone - knowingly or unwittingly violates the forum to any degree then a defensive reaction is natural.

Sorting out misunderstandings - deliberate from accidental transgressions - is the real challenge.

In the end, some people we may embrace and others we feel indifferent toward or wary of... and we may just never know why. But we do give people the opportunity to express their intent, and suspend judgement to a degree already more marked than much of the world.

 

[Anthile]

I wonder no one mentioned "Declaration of INTPness".

Although emotional intelligence comes out of my ears I pretty much agree with Lor.
Tomorrow I will do something about it.
*yawns dramatically*