Left Handed?

[Chronomar]

I am INTP (obviously), and left handed (less obviously). I'm wondering if they in any way correlate. My hypothesis is based on the fact that many other left handed people I know are also INTPs, and that many traits that are assoiciated with left handers are also INTP traits. It is true that it is the left brain (right hand) that does the most logic, but left handers do not have an absence of logic, just different logic coupled with spacial reasoning. It would be interesting to do an actual scientific study on this.

 

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I like your thinking! and leftys rule.

This was one of the first threads I made when I came to intpforum. Unforunately and unsurprisingly they already have a thread for it. My thread got mergered into it too.

 

[Auburn]

I'm a lefty too!

 

[Thread Killer]

Type-wise, this does not correlate. How being left-handed correlates with being right-brained, I think it's likely that most left-handers are right-brained. I'm personally interested in how left or right brained-edness effects how Thinking (however you want to interpret that) manifests itself and how this could also cause complications in how people deduce themselves towards being a certain type such as confusing T or F such as in my case where I often waver between those two.

 

[Chronomar]

I have just realized, that the poll will most likely not be a good source of data becuase left handed people will be most interested by the title "Left Handed?" on the forum. Still, we'll see.

Also, I am not entirely up to date on the current understandings of what it means to be "right brained" or "left brained". If anyone knows, please elaborate.

 

[Ogion]

Also left-handed here.

I think the brained-dominace, one side of the brain dominating, is more of a difference of Sensing (left-side of brain) and iNtuition (right-side of the brain).
But i am no neuroscientist, so this is just what i read at some places (though some independent from another places).

Ogion

 

[spockguy]

@Ogion
Right brain orientation is based on the generalities of here and now, and all that correlates with things outside of the past or future tense. Left focuses on the future and the past, on detail, and on planning.
I have deduced the following traits in a left/right brain algorithm as such:
Left brain: Si, Ni, Fe, Te
Right brain: Se, Ne, Fi, Ti

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22492511-5005375,00.html
I have yet to see it anyway other than clockwise.

Anyways, despite this, I am indeed right handed.

 

[Ogion]

Well, ok.
Yes, i have seen this dancer before. I can change it's turning direction at will. (But i am not sure this dancer is a valid 'brain test'...)

Ogion

 

[zxc]

5 left handers, 2 right handers....

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[SafetyInNumbers]

Well here is a righty for you, 5 3 now

 

[NoID10ts]

Right handed. Son of a lefty. Weird ones, those lefties. Always backwards.

 

[Fedayeen]

I'm right handed

I have just realized, that the poll will most likely not be a good source of data becuase left handed people will be most interested by the title "Left Handed?" on the forum. Still, we'll see.

Also, I am not entirely up to date on the current understandings of what it means to be "right brained" or "left brained". If anyone knows, please elaborate.

Perhaps you would get more equal results if the subject line was "Left or Right Handed?"

 

[Chimera]

_________
____________

I'm right-handed, but I'm teaching myself how to be left-handed as well. It's one of my goals to be ambidextrous.
I use my old writing exercises from kindergarten; it's interesting.
But for now I guess I'm still considered just a righty.
_________
____________​

 

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I'm taking neurobio right now, it's fascinating.

Our hands are controlled by the lateral pathways descending from the pathway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lateral_corticospinal_tract

Our brain's motor area of the right hemisphere sends signals along the lateral pathway going to the left arm.
Pictures related.

(a) 1 is the section of the spinal cord- look at my attached image to see how the corticospinal tract maps to the arm. The corticospinal tract includes the lateral pathway.

Naturally our left hemisphere is "dominant", motor wise. I'm not sure how that dominance effects the non-motor areas. Such as the prefrontal cortex, which houses Thinking or iNtuition depending on which hemisphere and the posterior convextivity which houses Feeling or Sensing depending on the hemisphere. For more about how cognitive functions map to regions in our brain: http://www.benziger.org/articles/physfunctions.php

 

[flow]

Are any of you ambidextrous? As a kid I had a hard time deciding what hands to use when eating and such..anyways, I write with my left hand but I throw with my right.

 

[Waterstiller]

Another sinner here. I definitely feel like everything I do is backwards when around right-handed people.

 

[Ogion]

When i say left-handed, this isn'T true for all things. Like throwing, i do that with the right. Most things which require physical force or greater moving stability/dexterity (i don't know hiow to phrase it. I mean things like throwing, which are complex motionsbut on a 'bigger' level than writing. ) i do with the right. When something needs more fine-tuned motion, the left is used.
But there is another aspect. Many things which require turning or similar, i seem, for others, to do the wrong way round. Like today i wanted to turn a table, and another person wanted to help me, but was totally confused how i did it. It was because i turned the table the wrong way round and so he was confused without knowing what was wrong.

Ogion

 

[Jesin]

AARGH!

How many of these threads are we going to get!?

 

[Chronomar]

What about people who may have left handedness in their genes, but not as an expressed trait. For example, if the gene for handedness (The real inheriance pattern as I know is far more complicated, with gene linkage and multiple factors contributing, however, for a simpler example, I'm limiting it to being controled by one gene) it is shown with only can be repesented by either a H or an h (H being the dominant trait-- right handedness, h being the non dominant trait left handedness). Even if you are right handed, you may have a recessive gene (h) in addition to a dominant gene (H) in your genome, it is just that H is dominant, so that is the only one expressed in the phenotype. So your genes for handedness could be Hh, and therefore you are right handed, but some things that are linked to the lefthandedness h gene will be expressed because of its presence. Also, the person is more likely to have inherited other recessive genes that go along with being left handed, even though the actual handedness is right handed. That's as far as I understand it, anyway.

Sorry about the run-on sentance. That's how I talk, and I'm too tired to try to change that.

 

[Gorgrim]

I am a classic INTP for the most part, And im right handed.


My mother is a left handed type, she's alot different from me, although she understand's me better than my ESJP sister.

 

[Aphasia]

AARGH!

How many of these threads are we going to get!?

This one is just the third. Wait a while more, then you'll have a reason to complain. And I'm left handed.

 

[SafetyInNumbers]

hmm don't get the results of this poll, it seems the total adds up to more than 100%. how can this be, am I just really stupid and missing something obvious??

 

[Fedayeen]

hmm don't get the results of this poll, it seems the total adds up to more than 100%. how can this be, am I just really stupid and missing something obvious??

the poll was set up so you could vote for both answers.

I would assume that that means that the percentage isn't calculated from votes for a choice over total votes but instead votes for a choice over total people who voted. So when people voted twice it bumped the percentage up on both instead of raising one and lowering the other.

 

[Chronomar]

Type-wise, this does not correlate. How being left-handed correlates with being right-brained, I think it's likely that most left-handers are right-brained. I'm personally interested in how left or right brained-edness effects how Thinking (however you want to interpret that) manifests itself and how this could also cause complications in how people deduce themselves towards being a certain type such as confusing T or F such as in my case where I often waver between those two.

I often wonder if I am the odd left handed left brained person, or even if such athing could exist. I am very logical/rational, like math and science...how does that fit? But, I also like art (right brain) and am not naturally good at certain parts of math. I have to work at it. And often I am too lazy to do so.

 

[bdubs]

Right handed here, but because my dad is left handed I sometimes do things he taught me lefty without thinking about it.

 

[Jesin]

I often wonder if I am the odd left handed left brained person, or even if such athing could exist.

That whole right-brain/left-brain thing has been shown to be mostly BS.

 

[Waterstiller]

That whole right-brain/left-brain thing has been shown to be mostly BS.

Mostly.. but there's something to it.

Do you see the dancer turning clockwise or anti-clockwise?
If clockwise, then you use more of the right side of the brain and vice versa.​

 

[Dissident]

Hehe, I posted the same thing here, some stuff was talked about it there, maybe you want to check it out

 

[Jordan~]

She keeps changing direction. At one point, she just swung back and forth facing away from me.

 

[bdubs]

I do not seem to understand the illusion . The figure went one way for about 10-15 seconds then spun the other way for 10-15 seconds. Now she is spinning the way she origionally spun. Is this supposed to mean that my brain is "sharring the load" or something?


Edit: I have figured out what I am doing to make the figure change direction. I have found that when I intitially watched the figure I had just finished reading the text describing her function causing my brain to work in a way that relates to understanding text and causing her to spin one direction. After watching her for a couple of seconds I tryed to figure out if she was spinning clockwise or counter-clockwise. I created a mental image of a clock in my head to remind myself which direction was what and found she had changed direction.

I did not figure out the pattern until I followed dissident's link. I noticed she has flipped on me once again. I can now flip her direction at will. All I have to do is read a line or two of text to make her go one way and think of a clock's hands moving in my head to flip the figure the other way. Pretty neat.

 

[Jordan~]

Ha! I tried that as well. First, I read the post and looked at her. Clockwise. Then I improvised a story about bears who lived in a castle full of fish. She changed direction. I did some algebra in my head. Changed again. I started singing to myself. Changed again. Wonderful.

If I close my eyes and throw myself forwards when she's facing towards me or away from me I can make her change direction, too.

 

[Dissident]

I managed to change it now !
I think the last challege would be to stop interpreting it at all, nothing is spining, its a flat black shape that changes its form. That is pretty hard.

 

[Jesin]

Do you see the dancer turning clockwise or anti-clockwise?
If clockwise, then you use more of the right side of the brain and vice versa.​

And what does her perceived direction of rotation have to do with which side of the brain you use more? Why would there be any connection?

@Jordan: That sounds a lot like confirmation bias to me.

 

[Ogion]

Well, for me its just a matter of wishing to see a certain turn-direction. If i wish to see it turning one way, i see it turning that way, if i wish otherwise, i see it the other way round...
I am no neurologist of course, but i am doubtful about her spinning direction having anything to do with 'which brain half you use more'^^ I mean, it's a visual/spatial analysis, which pprobably gets done by the parts dealing with exactly that, and not one of the halfs depending on preference (of the brain to use one half more than the other)??

Ogion

 

[Jordan~]

And what does her perceived direction of rotation have to do with which side of the brain you use more? Why would there be any connection?

@Jordan: That sounds a lot like confirmation bias to me.

I thought much the same, but hey, it works. If I ever need to make an illusion of a spinning lady change direction, now I can.

 

[NoID10ts]

I can't help but notice that the silouette has nipples. Or is this part of the illusion? Perhaps, a perverse brain will see the nipples and the non perverse brain will not.

 

[Fordy]

When I first saw that illusion a while back, I remember it very briefly swapping direction, before going back to clockwise. And now, all I can see is clockwise... And I'm not prepared to spend more than 5 minutes staring at an image trying to get it to go the otherway round. :P

And NoID10ts, I noticed those too...



Also, there is a surprising amount of us who are left handed (I'm right myself). May be coincidental or biased, but there has to be some sort of link...

 

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I can't help but notice that the silouette has nipples. Or is this part of the illusion? Perhaps, a perverse brain will see the nipples and the non perverse brain will not.

Yeah, those are extremely distracting when I'm trying to make her switch directions. Her ass is nice too.

Oh silhoutte girl, why won't you swirl out of the monitor and dance with me?

 

[NoID10ts]

I'm glad it's not just me. She has a very nice silhouette. Why did they choose this one? They could have done one with a running puppy or a child playing. Why this one? Is there a psychological reason for it? Is the presence of nipples relevant to the study of right brainedness vs. left brainedness? I'm very intrigued now (and a bit turned on).

 

[grammyofdavid]

yes and right

 

[Calamedes]

No1, your posts never cease to entertain me.

also, I think they tailored the test so that you'd be so enticed with it that you wouldn't bother noticing which way she was spinning; they knew that you'd be following her T&A. :P

 

[figaro_black]

I can't seem to get her to change directions at all. Perhaps if I could get her to stand still so that leg would not move counter-clockwise, and the hair not indicate the turn of her head...

 

[Chronomar]

I can't make it turn in different directions either... it is always clockwise. But maybe its because I am tired. I've always noticed my supposed right-brain characteristics come out when I am tired.

 

[Madoness]

left handed here..... I guess.... it doesn't matter much which handed you are.... But there is a little difference which part of the brain left or right handed usually uses when it comes to thinking. But you cannot conclude from that anything whatsoever

 

[Da Blob]

An amazing proportion of the intellectually gifted are left-handed (sinistrals), right-brained people.
What is interesting is that because because of cultural prejudice against us, many of those who are born 'lefties' are retrained to use their right hands as their dominant hand - but they still use the right brain as their dominant hemisphere...

 

[Da Blob]

I have just realized, that the poll will most likely not be a good source of data becuase left handed people will be most interested by the title "Left Handed?" on the forum. Still, we'll see.

Also, I am not entirely up to date on the current understandings of what it means to be "right brained" or "left brained". If anyone knows, please elaborate.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/hidden-talents/brain/113-right.html

I wrote a thesis on the "Philosophical Implications of Cerebral Hemispheric Specialization"
So if you have any questions
after checking out the above website and others,
send me a PM with your questions...

 

[Da Blob]

http://www.members.shaw.ca/hidden-talents/brain/113-right.html

I wrote a thesis on the "Philosophical Implications of Cerebral Hemispheric Specialization"
So if you have any questions
after checking out the above website and others,
send me a PM with your questions...

After thought #1 - easiest way to explain the difference is that the word (I) refers to the part of Self associated with the left brain, whereas the word (Me) refers to the part of Self associated with the Right brain. It should be no surprise that many 'Me first' people are Introverts...

 

[lemonsunite]

I am right-handed but I'm trying to teach myself to be left-handed. When I do write with my left hand, it is usually for my japanese hiragana lesson, because all of my letters come out really curvy and such.

I remeber the dancer from a computer class. When I couldn't make it turn anti-clockwise, I got mad at the dancer and started thinking things like "Who even has time to do that in real life? I mean, a person can't turn like that for so long, etc." Suddenly the dancer started turning anti-clockwise...

 

[Da Blob]

After thought #1 - easiest way to explain the difference is that the word (I) refers to the part of Self associated with the left brain, whereas the word (Me) refers to the part of Self associated with the Right brain. It should be no surprise that many 'Me first' people are Introverts...

Afterthought #2 one pix is worth a thousands words...?

The Search for SELF

Oh! There I(?) Am..

 

[AndOhh]

WTF -- This is my first post here -- I'm Right Handed for whatever it's worth. I can appreciate the reason for asking the question though.

I'm INTP