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Good example, thanks for bringing this up. I've wondered whether he is in INTP and regardless it's worth scrutinizing.

I would suggest that Lyra provide an analysis here for us.

Secondarily I would suggest that we dig into biographical details of him to help make a determination. Unfortunately I don't have the time to do that presently, perhaps somebody can step up to the plate.

My notes, he does have the hard eyes of an STJ thinker, which you don't notice in INTP's. Consider Einstein, his eyes were open and lively for example. Having grown up with several STJ's I found that they often have rather hard, directed eyes.

My initial guess would be ISTJ. Let's look to see if he has an anal-retentive side like his character. If he does then it's a lock.
 

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While I also type a lot by facial cues I don't see him as ISTJ, the Si-Fi face has this kind of reminiscing sadness to it
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, don't see it in Parsons...
 

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@Architect Einstein was classic Nai'xyy. This is why you need to build your representations from clean samples.

I propose an ESFJ typing based on his way too warm smile walking in, way too steady warm gaze etc etc... Please prove me wrong
Irrelevant. Look at Adymus' Xyy here, for example. Very strong or constant Xyy usage is in no way a sign of momentum Xyy. Parsons actually has a very obvious polar-Xez facial/emotive structure which is apparent in the first few seconds. Note how despite how he's using as much Xyy as he can, and is in an appropriate context to do so, his smile doesn't pass up above the brimline (it's really only around the mouth). His whole face from the cheeks up keeps cool tower equilibrium, just like Adymus' does.

Open all of these (Zai'nyy samples) in a window, play simultaneously, and flick between them at your leisure. Use this to abstract the pattern from irrelevant data:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1YqwW3LIMQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r8qKLYQTXk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZY8Dg1Ek2Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl1CuqC5_7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWe220B4bzc&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLEACD57E2EF1E6826

What the guy in the last video says is actually spot on. The aware but below-brimline emoting of Zai'nyy is very often misinterpreted for a smirk of superiority or as somehow off. Actually there is a kind of holding back, given that Zai as Source creates a tower/equilibrium/discernment based Configuration, but usually the Xyy is genuinely friendly/amused/straightforward.

Back to Parsons. Note the adaptive/self-kept/Yin way he waves at 20:36 through 20:41. At 20:45 this is a really clear example of how adaptives kind of poke out into the external environment and then quickly fold back in when they do gestures that can look really naturally dominant in directives. It's not a form of explicit dominance like it would be with me, and the way his arms/hands collapse very quickly back in on themselves is one indication of this. See our Yan/Ying gesturing video on MRR for more details.

20:57 note how he's perched/self-kept on the chair. Adaptive. He's not physically exerting out/into it like a directive using momentum would. His energy naturally tends towards being at equilibrium within his own self-kept zone. Pushing out into the world doesn't do that.

21:09 listen to how his voice has the quality of like reverberating from the bottom of the well. Compare it to the other samples I posted (play them all at once with sound on, even) and notice how all have a quality of cool/...classically 'nerdy', even stability always running through/dominating their vocal expression. Note how Adymus has this even at his peaks of super-forthright and constant Xyy expression. MBTIers would pretty much universally be misled by this. When you're peaking or effective you're actually very likely to look nothing like what would be expected, and to be visually/outwardly using your modulation powers very heavily.

There's a bouncy Nyy aspect throughout, and this can be seen in his eyes as well. But it's definitely tandem and not source. It's a buoyancy that moves away from and back to a tower stability (and he also has classic long tower facial structure btw) not a buoyancy that is in full tilt flight as Source momentum.

21:48 here and throughout notice his aware mouth. His mouth has much more of a tendency to upturn (Xyy tends toward upper lip tension and more mouth/lower face tension generally) as opposed to hanging-open/downturn (Xai tends towards this kind of relaxation, or unaware movements that tend to begin with lower lip tension)

All around the 22:00 mark pay attention to the tandem head-bobble and buoyancy. He actually uses his Nyy in a very interesting way. He seems to quite consciously or naturally use it as part of his very effeminate riff. Nyy can have this very feminine/open/inviting aspect to it. With his Zai distance and polar Xyy he has a little classic Zai'nyy bitchy Xyy (not an official cue, btw) that only enhances the effect.

22:14 momentum Zai access, whole-face tower cooling.

22:32 classic Nyy/adaptive circular/yin gesturing, whilst actually doing a very Nyy-skit kind of story.

Watching it through to 24:00. Well, yeah, he's a Zai'nyy doing Zai'nyy. Interesting to not how his Xyy gets a little worn and despite his strong-developed initial push etc. you really can sense that he's reaching to it. That it's somehow polar or wearing to him. That strained quality also comes through in the Zai'nyy voice described above. All of this is fractal and can be viewed from many angles-- I like to view it like one river or force (energetic config) carving itself into different landscapes. It's the same water, the same phenomenon, and it forms the same kind of shapes. But the different landscapes are still there supporting and being formed by it. The more samples you look at, the more you learn not to be confused by the landscape (individual physiognomy, irrelevancies etc.) and to get viscerally how the energy is working/has carved itself out/is operating fractally in this instance.

24:35 4th gear Auburn here. The way he's holding his hand to his chin and the nerdy/effeminate Nyy-flourishes with his hands. He's also clearly doing a momentum Zai check about his conduct. His Xyy is also clearly, again, a reach. His discomfort with it really is showing, despite his arguable adeptness.

26:47 Vai check.

27:08 this is probably the most obvious cue out of any. The simultaneous right shoulder shrug, right head/eye access, crinkling of the upper nose etc, and general spike in energy in voice and bodily speed are about as obvious as you get for Zai-source. Also note how around this whole period he's very comfortably self-kept and leaned back in his hair, and how he moves back to that tower position after ever reach-out towards Ferguson with his Nyy or Xyy. It's all there to Read, really...
 

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@Fukyo, no, it isn't him. Own8ge is Nai'xyy.
 

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@Architect Einstein was classic Nai'xyy. This is why you need to build your representations from clean samples.

@Lyra

HOLY MOTHER OF FUCK!!!!!

You guys actually think Einstein was NOT an INTP/Zai'nyy??????

Looking at your sourcebook, you think Einstein is the same type as Nicolas Cage or Johnny Carson?

Shit, OK I have serious, very serious doubt that there is any truth to PodLair now.

Either that or you have some REALLY FUCKING different view on people.

<calm down>
 

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@Architect Einstein's 'vision trips' were basically huge Nai'xyy simulator sessions, and very closely parallel those of other highly successful Nai'xyy. His life also represents the classic long/slow-development then world-take-over-from-fringe-semi-legitimacy of the Nai'xyy storyline. And his living-conditions/habits/physical-all-over-the-placness are all much more classic dissociated Vai-superpolar Nai'xyy than Vai-offside Zai'nyy. Zai'nyy tend to actually be a bit more neat. If you read the stories of him personifying numbers as a kid, of him forming this character-filled world of physical forces, of how he went on trips through that and came up with these wordless knowings that he could only translate mathematically... that all sounds very much like Nai working in tandem with a very unusual but very effective Xyy. Xyy, particularly in the case of genius, is often used by Nai to create these highly ordered internal worlds where natural forces or aspects of the cosmos itself are the individual's 'tribe'. On top of that, he just was a Nai'xyy.

Interestingly, Win Wenger is somebody who's built a whole system for exploring and developing this kind of vision-tripping, explicitly using Einstein as his model. The product, which he called 'The Einstein Factor', is one of the most potent introductions to Nai/Nez Spirit Forming/Image Streaming/Chaneling in existence.

Try forming a personal representation of the pattern I presented above (in the Zai'nyy post, which you surely haven't had time to do yet), then do the same for Nai'xyy other than him, then go look at him. What you're having right now is a possible quasi-death. Everybody has these moments when learning. They're fine and necessary-- just persist and continue to see whether the pattern makes sense on its own terms, not in terms of your current typings, and then come back and consider. Stopping because of some clashing perception like this is really unnecessary/futile. Give your discernment more perception/serendipity/exploration/experience to work with before you stake your position.

Ultimately, I expect that doing so will convince you that your current perceptions in this instance don't represent the pattern which is actually there, and that you understand far more of the storylines/motifs/individuals/elements involved when you Read as quasi-deaths can begin allowing you to Read.
 

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I used to be a Physicist and spent years studying Einstein, both through his work and personal correspondence & writings. You think because he imagined himself riding a light beam he's the same as Johnny Carson? Listen, ALL physicists do that - in undergrad and grad school they TAUGHT us to think that way. It's not pure mathematics, we are doing PHYSICS, about the PHYSICAL world. We need (as physicists) to imagine what is going on physically, and then find mathematics and theory to express and explain that physical view. They weren't 'vision trips' whatever the fuck that means.

I could write a book on this, but I have to reconcile what you guys are saying here, with such a huge miss, with the rest of what I've learned.



@Architect Einstein's 'vision trips' were basically huge Nai'xyy simulator sessions, and very closely parallel those of other highly successful Nai'xyy. His life also represents the classic long/slow-development then world-take-over-from-fringe-semi-legitimacy of the Nai'xyy storyline. And his living-conditions/habits/physical-all-over-the-placness are all much more classic dissociated Vai-superpolar Nai'xyy than Vai-offside Zai'nyy. Zai'nyy tend to actually be a bit more neat. If you read the stories of him personifying numbers as a kid, of him forming this character-filled world of physical forces, of how he went on trips through that and came up with these wordless knowings that he could only translate mathematically... that all sounds very much like Nai working in tandem with a very unusual but very effective Xyy. Xyy, particularly in the case of genius, is often used by Nai to create these highly ordered internal worlds where natural forces or aspects of the cosmos itself are the individual's 'tribe'.

What you're having right now is a possible quasi death.

Oh shut the fuck up and don't tell your grandpa how to suck eggs! I was having your 'quasi-death' experiences before you were the hair on a zygotes ass, and this isn't one. The problem with you PL people is you think you've got the rest of us so wrapped up you make (I see now) some huge misses. What I'm having is the sudden realization that the guy at the carnival might not have your best interests at heart.

I'm going to go off and get some real work done, and digest this latest bit before I come back with a fresh perspective.
 

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Hey, I was just trying to help give you ways of parsing it. I don't know Einstein's life that well but IIRC he is Nai'xyy. I was just trying to offer some perspectives that might give you an in to considering that. No need to be so douchey.

Quasi-death is just the term we use for the type of reaction you're having-- it doesn't have a negative or positive connotation, or implied pre-determined outcome. It's just a function of either massive perceptual overhall or clash with a potential/proposed one in the context of Reading. The rest of what I said about the pattern still applies, but it's possible I misapplied it in this instance. Misreads happen.

@Architect I'm going back and checking for you in case I was wrong. Treat it as a soft-read until I get back to you. You might like the Jim Parsons Read above... I can tell you with certainty that his and all the other Reads (bar Einstein) I've posted in this thread are correct (Ferguson is Vyy'zai).
 

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HAHAHA, no that's not me :P Nice try though.

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I love the Einstein subject. I've always secretly thought him to be Nai'Xyy (INFJ). In my head it was always just like: IT MUST BE! (And it still is) But for convenience I never actually said it...
 

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"Oh shut the fuck up and don't tell your grandpa how to suck eggs! I was having your 'quasi-death' experiences before you were the hair on a zygotes ass."

^ Enjoyed this.

The rest of this thread looks a lot like, dare I say, overanalysis. :phear::)
 

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@Lyra. I know we are far apart on outlook and expression of things, but I have to tell you this ... which you probably know already. I am eager to know personality theory but reserve judgment in the extreme* and am so flaky on the many topics I think about I cannot concentrate very well on only one. I will leave that to Architect.

In this case of Einstein, does Pod'Lair concentrate on the visual readings? To what extent? That is, when Adymus says Pod'lair is ninety percent accurate, is he talking those visual-auditory readings? (I am excluding gears 4 & 5 ... may I?) When people look at Einstein's accomplishments, they look at something different than those sensory readings. Is that the source of the controversy?
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*Perhaps that is why I made that Pod'Lair joke (about reading myself) on the other thread. I stand outside myself and all this theory and sometimes see the whole thing as absurd before I return to the serious aspect. I am unable to tell even whether I owe you an apology because I don't know if it pissed you off and you were offended or if you just dismiss what I do as irrelevant. Irrelevance doesn't require an apology.
 

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You are irrelevant, yes. I just treat it as static/noise fuzzing up useful communications. Almost everything you ever say is a direct consequence of being unusually unaware of what's going on/unusually unable to research things as they actually are. You also have a unique talent for ruining otherwise worthwhile threads.

This case is more about absence of footage and difficulties/sureties inherent in different kinds of Reads. If we had 20 mins of clear footage of the man, or I could speak on him individually with as much biographical knowledge as Architect, things would be much clearer. Go away and be Pi about Pi stuff and I'll continue helping people capable of learning learn.
 

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You are irrelevant, yes.
That clears that up. You seem to note negatives while ignoring positives. How strange.
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Here are some visuals: 3:40 to 4:00 and 4:40 to 6:12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVJyaJ5TNpc


and 6:00 to 7:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKrRocH8M5M

and 4:15 to 5:20 approx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6XWNUzEZkY

Albert Einstein (01) - YouTube

If you don't get 20 minutes, then please give an accuracy rating for what you have instead of claiming absolutes.
 

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I'm discussing this using MBTI and not some vai chi hai language, stay on topic please
 

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I was specifically asked to comment upon his cognitive configuration. Whatever.
 

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Ok I'm temporarily withdrawing the Einstein read. Apologies for any misplaced surety in his case. Quasi death goes both ways. Quasi State (ideal state for Reading) is delicate and can be thrown by a need to produce results fast, and by pre-conceptions/investment in a given case. I don't want to talk on anybody I'm not myself sure of here so I'm going to come back to him in a few days, see what footage is available and what strength of read it's sufficient for, and then confirm it with other Readers. My narrative post about why Einstein seems Nai'xyy shouldn't be given any weight at this point.

@Architect @BigApplePi

As stated before, all the other reads in this thread I'm completely clear on. The samples on our website etc. (Einstein isn't one) have also undergone a lot more double-checks and scrutiny (on higher quality material) than is involved in this case.

Then do it using the cognitive functions
I guess if you want to force us to split threads we can, but I'm not going to start speaking nonsense on request.
 

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Ok I'm temporarily withdrawing the Einstein read.

@Lyra

Fair enough. Apologies for the blowup, that was unfair, but missing Einstein hit me as ... a rather big miss to say the least.

I'm behind in all this - more family stuff, I'll attempt to get caught up on this thread and the rest later today.
 

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Allow me to play around a bit. I notice two peculiar types of INTPs. The first type is excuse my wording the unusually "gay" in an Fe way INTPs. They stress so much on Fe that they're face and intonations are mellow in a way. They're morally concerned to the extent that they somewhat take the sort of motherly role. The second type is the veteran lazy boss type who can be easily confused as TJs. There are also ISTPs like this. They sit around effortlessly and perhaps unintentionally sounding authoritative(it seems like a T-nature) and executing orders lazily but with the attention of their subordinates. Jim Parsons fits the first type.

Almost everything you ever say is a direct consequence of being unusually unaware of what's going on/unusually unable to research things as they actually are. You also have a unique talent for ruining otherwise worthwhile threads.

Go away and be Pi about Pi stuff and I'll continue helping people capable of learning learn.
Haha.

@Pi As much as I look up to your openmindedness and fearless innovativity, I can't help but somewhat agree on this. Sometimes I wonder if your just trolling.

About Podlair in general, Architect's thread changed my perception of it. I think there is some sense in it. Worthy of critical investigation at least.
 

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Allow me to play around a bit. I notice two peculiar types of INTPs. The first type is excuse my wording the unusually "gay" in an Fe way INTPs. They stress so much on Fe that they're face and intonations are mellow in a way. They're morally concerned to the extent that they somewhat take the sort of motherly role. The second type is the veteran lazy boss type who can be easily confused as TJs. There are also ISTPs like this. They sit around effortlessly and perhaps unintentionally sounding authoritative(it seems like a T-nature) and executing orders lazily but with the attention of their subordinates. Jim Parsons fits the first type.

A persons psychology is much much more complex than two "types", I still hold my stance that Jim has way too much natural empathy to be INTP.
 

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About Podlair in general, Architect's thread changed my perception of it. I think there is some sense in it. Worthy of critical investigation at least.

They seem to have some valuable nuggets. "Spider hands" for example - I'm seeing my INTP son do this ALL the time. He's always done it but is coming into his own now and really using it when he wants to make a point (both hands out, fingers splayed), and he doesn't know anything about this stuff so is unconscious of it.

On the other hand there also seems to be a lot of fluff and nonsense. I'm holding off judgement however until I can become knowledgable in it.
 

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So with having some understanding of Zai'nyy (INTP roughly from the Pod'Lair view) I've watched a bunch of videos of Jim Parsons, who they type as such. Cues

  • + His general mein is of a nerd/INTP. Casting agents seem to pick actors who are the person they are portraying, and in real life he carries much of that character. The character has an anal retentive STJ element, in real life Jim exhibits his Ne/nyy
  • + Compare Jim to Larry David (who is absolutely an INTP), since they both are entertainers. Both channel their effusive Ne which is the 'bubbly' personality you see. In reality they're both using their Ti/Ne combination to create clever conversation. Watch his conversation in interviews, it's subtle and turns on a dime - very intelligent.
  • + Parsons behavior resonates heavily with me (as does LD's). If I was in his position I would behave like that - in fact I DO behave like that when circumstances call for it (joking around at work).
  • - He is really into watching football. Not typically INTP - which doesn't mean that it's necessarily a ding, but it's a little unusual.
  • + He detests dancing, touching others, stereotypical nerd things.
  • + The PL physical cues are there. Spider hands, stone face, dancing eyes, looking left/right
  • + Physically he looks like all INTP's I've ever known or typed. Low musculature, ectomorph, etc.
  • + He's a musician - common INTP interest
  • + Notice his engadgement with her in the video below. "Un huh ... Un huh ... Un huh". Something I do and you see commonly with INTP's. Basically the minimal-most-intellectual way to show you're engaged. Compare to a F who will really engage.

More plusses than minuses, if that one is a minus.

I think his girlfriend on the show might well be an INTP as well (definitely a T, could be a ST), again good casting agents

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Big Jim Parsons fan here.

+ His general mein is of a nerd/INTP. Casting agents seem to pick actors who are the person they are portraying, and in real life he carries much of that character. The character has an anal retentive STJ element, in real life Jim exhibits his Ne/nyy
He's quite anally retentive. Has said he likes routine, making lists, doesn't like change, understands where Sheldon is coming from when people sit in his seat etc., just not to the extreme degree as Sheldon. A lot of people say that about themselves but here his castmates confirm that it's strong enough to be apparent to others:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4B1IOFlib8

(Watch from 5:18, because that's when he starts to tear up, as evidence for my point about him being unusually emotional for a man, and then he and his cast mates compare him to Sheldon.)

- He is really into watching football. Not typically INTP - which doesn't mean that it's necessarily a ding, but it's a little unusual.
Yes, he's never liked playing sports though, except ping pong at work and non-competitive running. He's described sports as a kind of metaphor for life and that he got into tennis first because each player is sort of "playing against themselves as much as their opponent", and that to get into football he had to come to appreciate the element of individual challenge. Something like that, I can't find the interview now.

[*]+ He detests dancing, touching others, stereotypical nerd things.

He doesn't hate touching others. He's germophobic (his hands look very red from over-washing sometimes, they have to powder them for the show), which will make someone more cautious about touching strangers, but he still hugs fans who ask him to, etc. and what freaks him out is if strangers hug him out of the blue without asking (or tricks him into a hug, as happened once), which would freak most people out. He's often quite physically affectionate, even in interviews (e.g. he spontaneously reaches out to touch Ferguson in the OP's link), but especially with people he knows well:

Before one of the takes, when everyone was getting ready, Mayim was sitting next to Jim on the couch (she was on the arm of the couch next to Sheldon's spot), they were smiling and talking and Jim couldn't keep his hands off of her. He would touch her arm, then her hand, then her knee. It was the cutest thing in the world. Then after one scene (which I will not describe, but it was the final scene), Mayim went running towards Jim, and he had his arms open, and she ran right into his arms and they hugged. It was so sweet!
- Taping report from a fan in October

All I know is I'm quite sure he's a 6w7 sp/so. Back when I was into the MBTI, I thought he was some kind of "Feeler" (I now question the validity of that whole construct), either an ExFJ, IxFJ or INFP. My reason, rightly or wrongly, was that he was way too emotional not to be, and his conversation tends to be very people/emotion centred (although that could be due to the way actors are interviewed).
 
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Well, as far as the touchy-feely stuff goes, his sexual preference is same-sex and he seems to evoke a more feminine presentation in the few non-show things I've seen him on. It's an affectation I've seen before in the gay male population; not every gay male is like that, of course, but he seems comfortable presenting that way.

Does he choose that "feminine" presentation because he is an F, or does he come across as an F in Western culture because we label his behavior as "feminine?" That's another question we have to consider.
 
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Well, as far as the touchy-feely stuff goes, his sexual preference is same-sex and he seems to evoke a more feminine presentation in the few non-show things I've seen him on. It's an affectation I've seen before in the gay male population; not every gay male is like that, of course, but he seems comfortable presenting that way.

Does he choose that "feminine" presentation because he is an F, or does he come across as an F in Western culture because we label his behavior as "feminine?" That's another question we have to consider.
I imagine that some men (usually gay ones, but not always) present as feminine for exactly the same reasons that most women present as feminine. Biological ones. There are far too many accounts of little boys getting beaten up by their peers and their own parents for being feminine, and having to learn to firstly recognise and then hide their feminine traits, for it to be an "affectation".
 

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I imagine that some men (usually gay ones, but not always) present as feminine for exactly the same reasons that most women present as feminine. Biological ones. There are far too many accounts of little boys getting beaten up by their peers and their own parents for being feminine, and having to learn to firstly recognise and then hide their feminine traits, for it to be an "affectation".

I don't think that was my point, exactly. I'm actually a believer in biological drives underlying those kinds of things; however, I do think people sometimes choose to accentuate them. And our culture nowadays is far more accepting (so much that it's a non-event for a celebrity to come out as gay now) than it was 50 years ago, so it's acceptable to accentuate such things if one so desires.

Regardless, some people are getting an "F" read off the guy, to the degree someone is even accusing him of being an ESFJ essentially because of qualities typically associated with feminine presentation in Western culture. (ESFJ males present a bit differently than ESFJ females, actually.) So is that his actual type, or just his presentation? That is the question I'm tossing out for consideration.
 
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I don't think that was my point, exactly. I'm actually a believer in biological drives underlying those kinds of things; however, I do think people sometimes choose to accentuate them. And our culture nowadays is far more accepting (so much that it's a non-event for a celebrity to come out as gay now) than it was 50 years ago, so it's acceptable to accentuate such things if one so desires.
People do, but overwhelmingly in the opposite direction (to be more gender-conforming). With Jim Parsons, I strongly get the sense that he neither hides nor accentuates his feminine traits, at least no more than anybody else does (most people bring out different sides of themselves in different company and contexts). He's just comfortable in his own skin.

Regardless, some people are getting an "F" read off the guy, to the degree someone is even accusing him of being an ESFJ essentially because of qualities typically associated with feminine presentation in Western culture. (ESFJ males present a bit differently than ESFJ females, actually.) So is that his actual type, or just his presentation? That is the question I'm tossing out for consideration.
Yeah, that comes back to the question of what Feeling actually is and why I don't think the system makes sense or is complete at present. Being more emotionally expressive, in vocal inflection, intonation and body language, is more common in females, therefore it's a feminine trait. It's also associated by some with Feelers. This cross-over might explain why it's estimated there are more female than male Feelers.

However, decision-making processes are most often used to actually define the difference between Feelers and Thinkers. If decision-making is how we ultimately define the difference, and females follow more often the F and males the T pattern, then emotional expressiveness is only associated with Feelers because being very feminine in one respect (emotional expressiveness) increases the probability that you'll be feminine in a variety of other ways, including the supposed "F" decision-making process. (Because the pre-natal masculinisation process will more often affect the whole brain to roughly the same extent.)
 

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All I know is I'm quite sure he's a 6w7 sp/so. Back when I was into the MBTI, I thought he was some kind of "Feeler" (I now question the validity of that whole construct), either an ExFJ, IxFJ or INFP. My reason, rightly or wrongly, was that he was way too emotional not to be, and his conversation tends to be very people/emotion centred (although that could be due to the way actors are interviewed).

Jim Parsons displays a fair degree of Fe, but that is exactly what INTP's do to differing degrees when they socialize, they bring out Ne & Fe. I've done so at different points in my life, when I was younger it was heavy on the Ne/Fe. My INTP son runs it strongly also.

Additionally as I've written elsewhere correlation isn't causation. To type a person you need to look at the sum total of their being to come to a reasoned judgement, and its as much an art as a science. One strong characteristic is to look at the Dominant function the individual is primarily using, the choices are Ti, Te, Fi, Fe, Si, Se, Ni and Ne.

We can rule at Si & Se, as those are present and past detailed/physicality functions which I don't see. Likewise, while I'm seeing a dose of Ne, I don't see the 'fuzz' you see with Ne/Ni dominants like INFJ's (Ni dominant), along with the future possibilities drive. That leaves Ti, Te, Fi and Fe.

Fi and Fe we can leave out. Fi dominants are charming, most usually in a reserved and somewhat self-reflective-melancholic way. There's definately a dose of Fe in there, but it's not very strong. Consider an ENFJ or ESFJ woman - they really run the Fe! He's got reserve, and isn't engaging F that much.

That leaves Ti & Te. Te dominants (ENTJ's) are highly extroverted, and they think out loud. ALL THE TIME. Parsons pauses and considers what he's going to say. Again the reserve. That leaves a Ti dominant. With a dose of Ne, and a (surprisingly strong) Fe. INTP.

You can also see it in his eyes, his emotions don't run into his eyes, they are hooded and somewhat calculating, or Thinking is better. And his conversation is delightful, you can practically see how his Ti feeds into his Ne & Fe frontmen, to create a witty and charming conversationalist.
 
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We can rule at Si & Se, as those are present and past detailed/physicality functions which I don't see. Likewise, while I'm seeing a dose of Ne, I don't see the 'fuzz' you see with Ne/Ni dominants like INFJ's (Ni dominant), along with the future possibilities drive. That leaves Ti, Te, Fi and Fe.
WOULD you see Si though? Or Ni? Assuming the cognitive functions even exist as meaningfully discrete sets of processes that actually cluster together as supposed (I'm ambivalent but curious and trying to learn more): they're introverted, and the only way you know they're there is from what people say. What he talks about in interviews is determined by what he's asked and what's expected.

Liking routines and disliking change could all be seen as Si, but it could also be a more specific kind of concrete-familiarity preference than what people usually mean by Si, that happens as a result of anxiety and other neurocognitive quirks that are separate from Si. An extreme form of that tendency is one of the symptoms of autism, and a lot of autistic people do not identify as strong Si types (possibly these are the same ones who - like me - don't actually have that symptom, but that's just speculation, and I still have absolutely no clue what type I would be classed as).
 

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WOULD you see Si though? Or Ni? Assuming the cognitive functions even exist as meaningfully discrete processes, regions or predispositions in the brain (I'm ambivalent but curious and trying to learn more): they're introverted, and the only way you know it's there is from what people say.

Excellent point. From a strict MBTI perspective there's little guidance. The PL people seem to have made some inroads here which I'm investigating.

Using MBTI here are my observations on this, for an example let's compare and contrast the latest British royalty.

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As I've written elsewhere in marriage you most often see S-S/N-N (E-E/I-I), combined with differing T-F/F-T (J-P/P-J). The brits you see above are - I believe - a ISFJ or ISFP and a ESTJ. I think with these two you are seeing a Si dominant and a Si secondary (Te dominant). I think it's clear we have two Sensors here. Getting more specific, look at the eyes, see how his eyes are softer, less directed. Hers are directed, searching. This shows up in nearly all of the photos of them, she's looking to the distance at something, he's looking more inward than outward.

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This is one difference I've found between introverted dominants (Si/Ni) and extroverted (Se/Ne). There are more specific examples but this gives you an idea.
 
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This is one difference I've found between introverted dominants (Si/Ni) and extroverted (Se/Ne). There are more specific examples but this gives you an idea.
Thanks for the examples. So you think Parsons' eyes indicate more Pe than Pi?

https://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=jim+parsons&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.d2k&bpcl=40096503&biw=1517&bih=741&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=F5XoUJ69AsWY1AW6-oDABA

Previously you said they were "hard" like ISTJs'. I've thought the same about the eyes of people who seem ISTJ, but his don't seem like that. My gut reaction to the photos alone is that it's Fe, which you also think is present, but it could be Fi combined with general extroversion and an expressive face. It really depends on which definition of Fe I'm thinking about.

Something else that's relevant, that seems to go against my SJ theory, is how his mother and sister describe him as a child:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlZR1hDhom4

Of course those traits are true of most children as compared to adults, but presumably they meant relative to the average child. Are SJ children likely to be more playful, adventurous, and loving of make-believe than average? But then again, the way he went about it could be interpreted as Te (liking to organise other children), Fe (liking doing something co-operative with other children/acting out examples of human interaction) or Si (scripting and acting out realistic scenarios, which can be a fun way that children consolidate their understanding of the way the world is and what to do in different situations), instead of the more obvious Ne. He says he always wanted to be an actor because he likes "being part of telling a story", but that too could be seen as the result of several different Jungian functions or something else entirely.
 

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@Pi As much as I look up to your openmindedness and fearless innovativity, I can't help but somewhat agree on this. Sometimes I wonder if your just trolling.
I happened to see this post of yours and it got me to wonder about its veracity. Yes what I do may look like trolling, but there always is a connection. Ne causes me to look outward and to point out an outside perspective to a thread. I hope someone will notice. The opposite is to look inward analytically and that is a possibility also. Sometimes it hits the mark, sometimes it falls by the wayside, and sometimes has bad results. That's the risk. Not everyone favors the pulling at the thread if they are concentrating on tying the thread around something.

A simple example of this is when a post on a topic says something personal, emotional, provocative or dishonest. That very action is often calculated to cause a disruption ... to push a button. It's a form of disruptive trolling in its own right. Then the issue becomes which branch in the road to take.
 
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