INTP's Cool?

[Sanctum]

I was thinking about this the other day. In history cool usual mean being emotionally detached, not showing desires, not showing emotions, maintaining a calm disposition while showing somewhat of a outward beauty. While doing AP Euro work i stumbles across a term called Sprezzatura it was used in the book of the Courtier, which was a handbook for the higher ups in society and the term reflects the same principles of nonchalance and outward beauty, and this was the attitude favored during this time or shall i say cool. Also during the mobster phase of society there was also a term called Omerta which originated from Italy which means the same thing basically and all mobsters lived by this code of nonchalance and not getting into others affairs and i think we can all agree that mobsters are cool. I feel as INTP we are naturally cool in a way because of our introversion I feel the only thing getting in the way is that outward beauty not in the physical sense but i guess confidence and sureness, because i have noticed that INTP tend to be a little awkward in social situations. What do you guys think about being "Cool"

 

[GYX_Kid]

I fit the "cool" stereotype at first (unless there's someone who I come off more as "odd and mysterious" to), until someone really gets to know me- then I'm odd, mysterious, cool, creative, strange, wacky, randomly depressive or hilarious, and a bunch of other things

 

[Dapper Dan]

I fit the "cool" stereotype at first (unless there's someone who I come off more as "odd and mysterious" to), until someone really gets to know me- then I'm odd, mysterious, cool, creative, strange, wacky, randomly depressive or hilarious, and a bunch of other things

Almost exactly what I was going to say.

We only seem 'cool' when we aren't extraverting. That Ne can be crazy.

 

[Akuma]

I come off too shy and socially awkward for strangers to think I'm cool.
I know my friends have said that I'm creepy, funny, unemotional, cool, arrogant and "complex."
Apparently to a friend of mine, I resemble the character Nicolas Cage plays in Lord of War.

What about INTJ?
I would have thought they fit the "cool, stoic type" just as good if not better..

 

[GYX_Kid]

What about INTJ?
I would have thought they fit the "cool, stoic type" just as good if not better..

Instead of socially "awkward," they can be socially oblivious in ways that really piss people off. Which can be better in certain places and worse in others, I suppose.

 

[Melkor]

Alas, coolness often requires charm and fashion sense, two things the typical INTP lacks completely.
I mean, they're a type with awful to middling social skills, often little value in their appearance, and barely any inclination to start trends.

Such people are only 'cool' in movies. In the real world they're usually found on street corners drinking Gin.

They're certainly aloof if that's what you mean.:P

 

[Cognisant]

Personally I think cool has a lot more to do with the reason why people are being detached, for african-american slaves and various mafia organisations being cool was "cool" because they were overcoming the inherent stress of their situations, that's why being cool is an admirable trait.

Whereas an emotionally detached person who isn't in a situation that ought to make them loose their cool just seems like a clueless poser.

For example:

Spoiler

Is this guy (in total ignorance of the show he's from, as I am) cool or not?
Well it's very contextual, if you saw him on the street you may consider that he is trying too hard to look cool, or that by consciously making himself look ridiculous he is in fact very cool for being so audacious.

Then of course there's robots, they are cool, why? Because they're scary.
Even when a robot isn't being scary, it's scary, because the very idea of a robot, that being something that isn't alive and yet moves & acts in a seemingly intelligent way, is inherently scary.
Y'know science IS magic.

 

[Words]

I had to hear that same recurring feedback years ago. "Mysterious" moreso. The center of your Ni-affiliates' paranoia and a face that maintains seriousness amidst moments of awkwardness or panic. It's Ti, but it was also when there's nothing intuitively interesting around. Changed drastically since then.

INTJ's or IxTJ's concern themselves in things. IxTP has no concern, hence "cool."

I think, in this thread, people are using several notions of cool.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Icy cool, in fact.

 

[Cavallier]

^I read this entire thread with a sinking feeling that ESC wouldn't weigh in on the subject. I'm glad I was wrong.

Y'know science IS magic.

I would say that anything more complicated than basic arithmatic and opening a door is "magic" to most people. Few know how electricity works. They just turn on the switch and the light comes on. It's...magic?

Anyway, coolness is a state of mind right? Not being a whiney teen that falls apart at the smallest sign of drama is cool.

Me? I'm just detached. I wouldn't call it cool.

 

[Dapper Dan]

I think, in this thread, people are using several notions of cool.

Probably. Coolness has been generalized quite a bit over the years.

 

[kantor1003]

Such people are only 'cool' in movies. In the real world they're usually found on street corners drinking Gin.

...after identifying with a particular protagonist from a movie or a literary work one can at least pretend that people will admire those qualities in you (trying your outmost to make them seen) when you walk down the street (or drinking gin), and if not, you can blame it on their ignorance. If only they new how cool you really were, they would admire you and make similar comments to the ones articulated in such wonderful prose in that particular book you read.
It's funny, the world is filled with self-assessed movie stars: cool, hip, funny, intellectual (or whatever qualities they admire, or archetypes they identify with in that particular moment) people walking around, being the star, consumed by themselves and oddly enough, wondering why nobody gives a damn about them, or don't notice them for quality-x (which seemed so admirable in the books and movies they saw and read), failing to realize everyone is just as lost in themselves as they are.

 

[Sanctum]

I agree with the fact that what classifies as cool has changed drastically especially in westernized cultures, and i say westernized culture because the people i know who are directly of different heritage ( either African, European, Asian) meaning that their family 2 generations back weren't in american, think that cool is being reserved, calm, and collected and not showing your desires etc. But when I talk to people who's families are more westernized cool is the exact opposite. People who are "cool" are loud, funny, obnoxious and sometimes a general douche.

 

[kantor1003]

The former seems more in harmony with the analogy. If something is cool, like the way a glass of icy water is, one doesn't link that with loudness, or an "in your face" person. One should expect it to be, when compared to human behavior, as you said, calm and collected, just as the atoms doesn't have as rapid a motion at lower temperatures.

 

[Reluctantly]

I think my body temperature is about 96.7 degrees Fahrenheit. Perhaps we should have a poll to see if INTPs have a lower body temperature than the average.

 

[Mello]

I recycle. I do my own laundry. I can operate the microwave.

Let's just say that some people are better than you.

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Yeah, INTPs are very cool in that sense. Then the word was hijacked to mean 'popular'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_(aesthetic)

It has associations of composure and self-control (cf. the OED definition) and often is used as an expression of admiration or approval.

So yes by the former, the latter being relative.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_jazz - are INTPs all up in this stuff?

 

[Trebuchet]

I think my body temperature is about 96.7 degrees Fahrenheit. Perhaps we should have a poll to see if INTPs have a lower body temperature than the average.

You may have something there. Mine is about 96.8F.

As for being socially cool, not really. If you are cool, other people want to be like you. I have seen no evidence of this in my life.

 

[masterpeez]

I was thinking about this the other day. In history cool usual mean being emotionally detached, not showing desires, not showing emotions, maintaining a calm disposition while showing somewhat of a outward beauty. While doing AP Euro work i stumbles across a term called Sprezzatura it was used in the book of the Courtier, which was a handbook for the higher ups in society and the term reflects the same principles of nonchalance and outward beauty, and this was the attitude favored during this time or shall i say cool. Also during the mobster phase of society there was also a term called Omerta which originated from Italy which means the same thing basically and all mobsters lived by this code of nonchalance and not getting into others affairs and i think we can all agree that mobsters are cool. I feel as INTP we are naturally cool in a way because of our introversion I feel the only thing getting in the way is that outward beauty not in the physical sense but i guess confidence and sureness, because i have noticed that INTP tend to be a little awkward in social situations. What do you guys think about being "Cool"

Supposedly the first "cool" people to ever set foot on American soil were black. "Cool" is from Africa. I wrote a paper about it once. The wiki page for "cool" is pretty educational on that fact.

All cool is is something that's real that one is attracted to when surrounded by superficiality.

"Cool" is carrying about real things. Highschool for example, has a reality of its own. What is real in high-school is not real in the real world and vice versa. A cool person only cares about stuff that matters. He doesn't care about what the homework is that's due next week. He doesn't care about what you think. What you think about him doesn't matter to him. The cool kid doesn't care to know what his meir-briggs personality is.

The cool kid cares about real things. The cool kid takes real risks. The cool kid has real fun. The cool kid wears real clothes.

Does that make sense? I thought of this the other day when I was high and now that I actually wrote it down I'm not sure its "real"

 

[kora]

I fit the "cool" stereotype at first (unless there's someone who I come off more as "odd and mysterious" to), until someone really gets to know me- then I'm odd, mysterious, cool, creative, strange, wacky, randomly depressive or hilarious, and a bunch of other things

I'm identical.

 

[Fukyo]

I think my body temperature is about 96.7 degrees Fahrenheit. Perhaps we should have a poll to see if INTPs have a lower body temperature than the average.