INTPs appreciate weirdness?

[ashitaria]

Your thoughts on this? I'm not planning to add my analysis until I see you guys(or girls).

 

[Struggling_Bee]

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I love being called weird. If someone near me is called weird, and I'm not included... I feel unhappy. Normal people bore me.

 

[Hawkeye]

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I got called weird tonight at work because I suddenly decided to play some Finnish folk music. At the time I was stood in the corner reading my Japanese language book making popping sounds with my mouth.

It all seemed logical at the time :S

 

[Sparrow]

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I've been called weird, anti-social

I don't care :P

 

[ashitaria]

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I love weirdness. If I see a weird person, I'm there!

I'm called weird and funny by alot of people. Talk about irony.

 

[violetblue]

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weirdness is important to the world. not much in the way of innovation gets done without the outsiders. (and where would dissent be?)

i think i'll stop caring about my weirdness, just embrace it:

 

[sagewolf]

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Weird is awesome. How else will people recognise me?

 

[loveofreason]

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There are but two kinds of people... weird and non-existent.

 

[Cavallier]

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I have this theory...

Most People are just people. Some people shine. You have to wade through all the Most People in order to get to the ones that shine.

Most People don't want to stick out.
Most People want things to never change.
Most People stay Most People their entire lives.
People who shine like differences.
People who shine like changes from the norm.
People who shine are often few and far between.

When I get really frustrated with people who fear weirdness then I stop and remind myself that they are just member of the Most People. It's kind of like Lor's "non-existent" thing. Except that Lynching Mobs are made up of Most People.

Sad but true.

 

[walfin]

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An SJ would be weird in an INTP world.

Everything is relative.

 

[Cavallier]

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An SJ would be weird in an INTP world.
Everything is relative.

True. I suppose my theory extends more to open mindedness and willingness to look like an idiot as apposed to the idea of actual "weirdness". I think a lot of people worry about looking weird or being weird and so they avoid anything they think might make them so.

 

[Adymus]

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I have this theory...

Most People are just people. Some people shine. You have to wade through all the Most People in order to get to the ones that shine.

Most People don't want to stick out.
Most People want things to never change.
Most People stay Most People their entire lives.
People who shine like differences.
People who shine like changes from the norm.
People who shine are often few and far between.

When I get really frustrated with people who fear weirdness then I stop and remind myself that they are just member of the Most People. It's kind of like Lor's "non-existent" thing. Except that Lynching Mobs are made up of Most People.

Sad but true.

I have a theory that everyone wants to shine. The only thing is "shining" has a different meaning and approach for all people. For some types to shine means to stick out, and be independent minded. For others, to shine is to fit in and cling to the past or an established belief.

 

[intuitivet]

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An SJ would be weird in an INTP world.

Everything is relative.

But saying that ruins any form of debate because everything is subjective and relative and your opinion and your perspective!

I get called weird alot, apparently it's a good thing, but I don't really want to be weird or normal. I want to just be!

 

[Words]

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I'm not sure if you yourself will notice your own weirdness. I've been called this but has always seen myself normal enough. Nevertheless, even If I don't have the trait, I'll pursue it because its "cool".

In an INTP world, I would try to be an SJ.

 

[shoeless]

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absolutely i appreciate weirdness.
weirdness is interesting.
interesting is stimulating.
stimulating is... well, we all know what stimulating is. hur-hur-hur.

but no seriously though. weirdness is the best part of life.

 

[Vegard Pompey]

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Yes, I love weird. Weird is beautiful. Sometimes.

 

[luizhdealmeida]

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I think the thing about weirdness is that it is interesting. You don't find everywhere.
So if INTPs are really curious as it's said (I am), it is easy to see why we would be interested by it.

 

[Starfruit M.E.]

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If I don't include some weird, I get really bored. For instance, I have so much fun making random irrelevant comments and doing the unexpected, that not being weird would be almost depressing. Weird is my outlet and my joy, and the people who can laugh with me are people who can appreciate someone with flaws and laugh at themselves. If I drop something, I can laugh about it and not feel embarrassed. If I draw tinkerbell being eaten by a monster who uses Colgate, they can appreciate it.
I don't really like to be called weird though, because then I begin to worry that weird is not acceptable to them. I would rather they just enjoy my unique company and join in the fun instead of labeling me.

 

[Words]

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Its inconsistency with the norms that it attracts? The search for truth does force a search for inconsistencies.

 

[lafmeche]

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I think people that actively TRY to be different are pretty silly. People who do what they want and are considered weird by 'normal' people - they're the best.

I admit, I suppress some of my overly-weird tendencies when out amongst the 'normies', but when I'm alone or among true friends, I'm about as weird as anyone else.

 

[BigApplePi]

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[Words]

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I think people that actively TRY to be different are pretty silly.

Why silly? Don't you feel that need for variety as well?

 

[Agent Intellect]

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INTP's consider themselves weird.
INTP's like other people that are weird.
Therefore, INTP's are just as driven to conform and gain acceptance as 'everyone else'.

 

[Kuu]

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I think people that actively TRY to be different are pretty silly.

YES. I don't understand that compulsion to be different.

Those 'non-conformers' are still being oppressed since they are still defining worth based on what others do in order to be 'different'. It's just another form of conforming, IMO.

'Weirdness' is not about being 'different' but about being yourself regardless of what others do. I know some people that change completely what they are/do/believe just because somebody else starts doing it. It's so fucking stupid. I'm not about to stop doing what I like if somebody else starts doing it because 'it's not unique anymore'... I do it because I like it, fuck what everyone else thinks, I don't care if it's weird or mainstream or whatever.

I don't appreciate weirdness on difference's sake, I appreciate the integrity and authenticity that 'weird' people have.

 

[Dormouse]

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Those 'non-conformers' are still being oppressed since they are still defining worth based on what others do in order to be 'different'. It's just another form of conforming, IMO.

I just had that exact conversation with someone...
My brother is desperate to be considered different, and to do so just gets caught up in the mindless idiocy(sometimes) of his dumb friends. Basically he still has to conform to match a group, albeit a minority.

And he refuses to like anything that's mainstream, which makes me lol.

That said, I have moments of weirdness but I'm general rather normal. Oddities fascinate me, though.

When people use the words 'different' and 'weird' with negative connotations I get annoyed.

 

[EditorOne]

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Two different things, maybe. Everybody at some point thinks it is important to conform to something, even if it's to be with the ones who don't conform. But it can come and go.

Weirdness is not necessarily limited to not conforming. St. Elmo's fire is weird. What's attractive about it is trying to understand it. The weirder the better. I once came out of a swamp at dusk and heard a weird noise. It was either a woman strangling to death while having her hair pulled out by the roots, a grey fox or a bobcat. I couldn't find any hair the next day, so I'm still trying to figure out grey fox or bobcat. Or maybe those Jersey Devil stories are not just stories.....

Anyway, it's still weird because I haven't figured it out. Once I hear it again and see what makes the noise it won't be weird any more. See, there's a built-in reason to spend time in swamps. It doesn't get any better than that, right?

I don't think liking weird is limited to INTP. Charles Addams had quite a run with weird, all the way up to a mainstream television show ("The Addams Family.")

Anyway I need to stop having fun and go do some work.

"Hey Johnny, what are you rebelling against?"

"Wadda ya got?"

-- Marlon Brando, "The Wild One."

 

[lafmeche]

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Why silly? Don't you feel that need for variety as well?

Of course I like variety, but it's not a necessity. What I like is truth. Be true to who and what you are. That's where real variety comes from. These people that try to be different for the sake of it (mostly) don't actually want to be different. They're trying to attract attention by saying "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M NOT LIKE THE REST OF SOCIETY." Either that, or they're afraid that they can't compete in normal society, so they withdraw from it. The result is the same, though.

Kuu actually took the words right out of my mouth: "just another form of conforming"

YES. I don't understand that compulsion to be different.

Those 'non-conformers' are still being oppressed since they are still defining worth based on what others do in order to be 'different'. It's just another form of conforming, IMO.

'Weirdness' is not about being 'different' but about being yourself regardless of what others do. I know some people that change completely what they are/do/believe just because somebody else starts doing it. It's so fucking stupid. I'm not about to stop doing what I like if somebody else starts doing it because 'it's not unique anymore'... I do it because I like it, fuck what everyone else thinks, I don't care if it's weird or mainstream or whatever.

I don't appreciate weirdness on difference's sake, I appreciate the integrity and authenticity that 'weird' people have.

Did somebody clone me? GET OUT OF MY HEAD

 

[Vatroslav]

I don't consider myself weird... I consider myself as myself...others do consider me weird...

Nothing bad about being considered weird... but "weird" does not exist...

 

[NoID10ts]

I'm weird in the nervous ticks, unkempt appearance, overly analytical demeanor, and twisted humor sense of the word, but I certainly don't go out of my way to draw attention to myself.

Although I did a bit in my youth, choosing to give off that potential school shooter vibe with the trench coat and combat boots. But I outgrew that. Now I give off that middle aged, had enough bullshit, potential workplace shooter vibe.

 

[lafmeche]

I'm weird in the nervous ticks, unkempt appearance, overly analytical demeanor, and twisted humor sense of the word, but I certainly don't go out of my way to draw attention to myself.

Although I did a bit in my youth, choosing to give off that potential school shooter vibe with the trench coat and combat boots. But I outgrew that. Now I give off that middle aged, had enough bullshit, potential workplace shooter vibe.

Bullets are so NORMAL

and you call yourself weird. pfff

 

[NoID10ts]

Who said anything about bullets? I'm a masturbatory assassin.

Woe to those who come to work without a raincoat and goggles on the ill fated day that I finally snap.

EDIT: Was that ^ a weird thing to say?

 

[BigApplePi]

They say I am weird not true
That different one is weird
I am not weird this is me
I don't like being called weird
What's rong with me?
Can't stand this pressure
I'll go sit in the corner
Until they say weirdo come out

 

[Words]

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Of course I like variety, but it's not a necessity. What I like is truth. Be true to who and what you are. That's where real variety comes from. These people that try to be different for the sake of it (mostly) don't actually want to be different. They're trying to attract attention by saying "HEY LOOK AT ME I'M NOT LIKE THE REST OF SOCIETY." Either that, or they're afraid that they can't compete in normal society, so they withdraw from it. The result is the same, though.

Kuu actually took the words right out of my mouth: "just another form of conforming"

If someone is weird and tries to be weirder, would that look negative in your eyes?

Though, on another issue, I don't understand what's wrong with conforming: even if in a indirect or "hypocritical" manner. except, of course, for the lack of variety.

The hypocrisy of not-wanting to conform? I view it not necessarily as the indirect goal of someone's social issues but the direct attribute of what it is: unoriginal difference or not.

 

[lafmeche]

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If someone is weird and tries to be weirder, would that look negative in your eyes?

Though, on another issue, I don't understand what's wrong with conforming: even if in a indirect or "hypocritical" manner. except, of course, for the lack of variety.

The hypocrisy of not-wanting to conform? I view it not necessarily as the indirect goal of someone's social issues but the direct attribute of what it is: unoriginal difference or not.

There's nothing wrong with conforming or not conforming. The point is that it doesn't matter. People should be who and what they naturally are. It's the people that pretend to be something they're not they I find silly.

Also, it's not about 'negative' or 'positive'. I have several friends that seem to have a desperate need to conform. I don't hold it against them; I just think it's a waste of their mental resources. I think it also complicates their relationships when other people slowly figure out that they're not the same person that they present to the world.

Who said anything about bullets? I'm a masturbatory assassin.

Woe to those who come to work without a raincoat and goggles on the ill fated day that I finally snap.

EDIT: Was that ^ a weird thing to say?

I don't know how to respond to that. And I know for sure that I don't want to touch it. Please don't ever work in my office.

 

[pjoa09]

i think we would if we are. but i hate it when everyone stares at me and smiles.

 

[Words]

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There's nothing wrong with conforming or not conforming. The point is that it doesn't matter. People should be who and what they naturally are. It's the people that pretend to be something they're not they I find silly.

Why? What if a person's original trait included "pretender"?

This is interesting. What do you think is wrong with "artificial"?

 

[NoID10ts]

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I don't know how to respond to that. And I know for sure that I don't want to touch it. Please don't ever work in my office.

Oh yeah, sorry. I frequently forget about the bizarre things I write on this forum and then come back later and think "did I really write that?" This is one of those occasions.

 

[BigApplePi]

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There's nothing wrong with conforming or not conforming. The point is that it doesn't matter. People should be who and what they naturally are. It's the people that pretend to be something they're not they I find silly.

Also, it's not about 'negative' or 'positive'. I have several friends that seem to have a desperate need to conform. I don't hold it against them; I just think it's a waste of their mental resources. I think it also complicates their relationships when other people slowly figure out that they're not the same person that they present to the world.

Can we find a formula?

How about dividing oneself into the inner self and the self (persona) one shows to the public? One lets oneself out and conforms or not conforms (whatever that means) unless the public reaction itself fails to (ahem) conform so much with one's inner self that one is uncomfortable. So one conforms just enough so as not to rile the public into a public lynching.

If one wishes to be artificial or engage in acting and it pleases one's inner self, that is okay just as long as the outer public doesn't get overly angry when they find out.

Any non-INTP who MUST conform is self-intruding on their inner-self and if they are so extroverted that they don't care, so be it for them.