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INTP: Hoarder or Minimalist?

You come across something you haven't used in years, would you

  • Put it away again, you never know when it will become handy again.

    Votes: 10 35.7%
  • You put it aside, you may want to use it sometime soon.

    Votes: 9 32.1%
  • You put it to immediate use then judge whether you want to keep it.

    Votes: 2 7.1%
  • You toss it, it couldn't have been too important anyway.

    Votes: 7 25.0%

  • Total voters
    28
  • Poll closed .

Yellow

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I seem to have come across some conflicting information about the INTP personality. Even in the INTP description attached to this forum, there are references to INTPs being haorders of sentimental things, and yet it states that we are minimailst when it comes to possessions and asthetics. Do we all have different stances then? Is it all or none with INTPs? Personally, I'm a minimalist and I am much more likely to throw something away and then find that I needed it than I am to hold onto something for years on the off chance I'll use it someday.

Anybody else? Where do INTPs stand?
 

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I think INTPs are focused. We collect many things due to our hunger for clarity and insight, including things that allow us to explore our emotional side. Our sentimentalism is, I believe, derived from our curiosity. Our own emotions can be ideas worth studying and we often require some outside stimulation to begin exploring them.

A long time ago I picked up a skipping rock on the beach that fit my hand perfectly. There was even a dent along the edge that fit my thumb. I didn't want to throw it because it was fascinating just to look at. Eventually I grew tired of it (I suppose once the mystery of how it was formed wore thin) and threw it into the river. Despite its apparent perfection it only skipped twice :(

The minimalist side comes from a personal insistence on preparation for survival. Once the value of storing something is overcome by the hindrance keeping it puts on my mobility, I get rid of it. The end result is that I have few things tying me down, but some of them are very odd to someone who doesn't know why I keep them.

I don't know what I'm gonna do about my nonfiction books though (fiction doesn't last long against my minimalism). They're my biggest hindrance right now, but their mystery's are still rich in potential.
 

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I'm only minimalist when it comes to aesthetics and decoration. I hoard everything else because to me, everything I own is important in some way
 

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I'm a hoarder when it comes to sentimental stuff/personal possessions, but I'm fairly minimalist when it comes to decor. I've hoarded all my books, even if I won't read them any time soon, and I have journals I've written since I was 9. My personal folder on my computer is a mess too with all the stuff I've written. I don't like most of it, but I still can't bring myself to delete it. But at the same time, I'm not a fan of decorational doodads that do nothing but sit on a shelf. If it doesn't have sentimental value, it has to have function and form.
 
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I used to be a bit of a hoarder but after running out of money and having to sell stuff and getting bedbugs I learned I am really a minimalist. Less junk means less junk accumulated. Less things to clean. I like being able to fit all my possessions in a small car if I had to. If it isn't immediately useful or I know it isn't useful in the future I would rather toss things than have too much clutter. I am lazy enough about cleaning as it is. I thought the no food/organic trash rule I kept very well in my room would prevent bugs and things but just having hiding places is enough for the annoying bloodsuckers. I just hope the worst is behind me now. Its bad enough being a completed Introvert when trying to talk to girls but looking like a walking rash/std just completely destroys what little self-esteem I have. My skin has always been hypersensitive to begin with which is probably why the bites give me such an allergic reaction. Mostly its just on my arms, neck, and hips so I always wear long sleeves which probably makes me look like some heroin/needle junkie. Thing is I'm completely opposed to needles. I might get a tattoo someday but that's different. That isn't violating the blood veins. I hope IVs become obsolete soon because it just seems barbaric. I also noticed certain types of gluten seem to make things worse/slower healing and more mental fog/anxiety/confusion/depression. For some reason pasta doesn't seem to affect me as much as bread or just about anything else that has gluten. Maybe the gluten/yeast combo? Maybe some other factor I haven't thought of? Its fuckin wierd.
 

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I hoard music, but that's about it. I've never had a collection of anything outside of headphones, gameboys, ipods, and albums (vinyl). And really those aren't even collections (except for my small vinyl collection, which needs more funding), I'm just upgrading.

I actually just yesterday had to clean out my closet before I move to Duluth, Minnesota (I'm moving tomorrow, after taking a week long trip in the Boundary Waters with my dad and two of my uncles). I pretty much kept nothing. Most of my stuff I either threw away because I couldn't imagine how anyone would want it, or gave it to Good Will. My ESFJ mom came in and said she couldn't believe I didn't want to keep anything, and that seeing all my stuff gone made her feel like I was now DEAD. Eek, I was just like, "well none of this is meaningful to me, if you wanted to keep it you should have said something." The less stuff I have, the better.
 

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I cannot see a contradiction. Emotional-objects belong more to the abstract world of ideas, which we prize. Anything else is expendable.

I agree with the previous posts. Minimalism is a philosophy. We don't hoard superfluous crap, we don't need to constantly buy buy buy useless stuff, don't need to go shopping all the time, don't suffer from the need to "decorate" and "make things pretty". If it is useful, and it gets the job done, it's fine. We seem to be able to achieve comfort and contentment with very few material possessions, because we live inside our heads more than inside our rooms. INTPs are not consumer whores, they are spartan, because they are strict in what they can consider to be necessary and useful.

And nevertheless, they hoard. Hoard books, silly drawings, old photos, random notes, napkin doodles, journals, music, etc. Anything that relates to their past, to their ideas or emotions, to the mental world. It is like their "external memory device", that allows them to keep a sort of backup so they don't forget (busy minds = forgetfulness). Ideas are a naturally obviously valuable thing to keep. Emotions, they are more like a riddle to decipher, but that provide stimulation. These things are indeed worth keeping.


Sometimes, though, useless crap does accumulate and gets left there simply because we're just too lazy to clean up, and become oblivious to the object's existence. Not because we want to keep all that crap.


Looking around, I really don't have much "possesions" : in my room, besides books and cds and drawings and models (all "ideas" or "emotions" made physical), a single 1'x1'x1' box filled with miscellaneous memory-objects, and a memento mori skull that doubles as a hat stand, the only stuff I have is entirely functional and essential to my needs: task lamp, alarm clock, laptop, camera, desk, chair, bed, drafting table. I'd easily fit most of that on a small car, sans the furniture, but that's easier to replace than to transport.


Conclusion: INTP = Minimalist life needs, idea hoarding
 
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Conclusion: INTP = Minimalist life needs, idea hoarding
I agree....you know you're a INTP when you keep all kinds of useless information in your head convinced it will all be useful someday. :D
 

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This is the best quote of the night. In general Tekton hit the nail on the head.
 

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I chose tossed based on the wording of the question: "haven't used in years"

That doesn't apply to books although I do donate the novels I only mildly enjoyed to some charity or other. If I liked the book, I always think I might read it again someday (even though that is a rarity).

If it's sitting around in a closet for years I'll toss it unless I think of some immediate use for it. Although if I had a use for it, I would have used it already....anyway I need things to serve a purpose beyond aesthetics. Everything hanging on my walls was put there by someone else as I wouldn't do it on my own.
 

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I'm a hoarder for all the reasons stated above - but I also at one point in my life pared down all my possessions down to what I could fit into my car [smiles at Ninja]. It was incredibly liberating but I later deeply regretted having got rid of my collection of American novels from the 60s and 75% of my vinyl collection.
 

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Perhaps an INTP is a minimalist who appears to hoard because (s)he's too lazy to do stuff like packing, filing, etc.
 

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I cannot see a contradiction. Emotional-objects belong more to the abstract world of ideas, which we prize. Anything else is expendable......Conclusion: INTP = Minimalist life needs, idea hoarding

You stated it quite well, thankyou. Until I read everyone's posts, I failed to think of my books as 'stuff'... call me 'space cadet'. Like snowqueen and ninja, I had to reduce all of our (my husband and I) possessions into one car-load because we REALLY wanted to move fast. I gave up my dishes, all but 7 days worth of my clothes, my sewing machine (we had no furniture), but I kept all of our books, his trumpet and my violin.... and almost killed the car driving over the mountain range because of the weight of the books.
 

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I've always considered myself to be a collector rather than a hoarder. For the last thirty or so years I've spent an inordinate amount of time intensely focused on collecting items for some temporary hobby/interest. Turns out that I possess yet another Superpower - I can easily fall into hunter-gatherer mode and develop a very deep tunnel vision. However, once I finally become satiated, I quickly drop said hobby and seek out something else to spark my interest. This circle of behavior has repeated itself many times over the years and I thought that I was stuck in an endless loop.

( wash rinse repeat )

good news... My latest interest is minimalism.

The desire to purge my environment of useless material objects has claimed a small bit of territory in my brain and is in fact, growing stronger by the minute.

Q. Do I need the hole or do I need to own the drill to create the hole?

A. I just need the hole.
 

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Seriously, Tekton gets a gold medal for that one!
...Or maybe just a crown and a chocobo... :king-twitter:

I was just curious what happens to everyone else when it comes time to move... Do you throw away semi-sentimental items with prejudice? Or do you have to struggle to find a few more things you can let go?

I tend to be the former... "Ehhh... kinda brings back memories... But not enough." *Toss*

Only when I need to drop in possessions, though. I don't do that sort of thing for fun. :p
 

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I used to be a massive hoarder, but I've pruned my sentimental stuff down to a box and a paper bag full of letters/cards/photos.

But just about everything in my room has some sentimental value to it. I like to have stuff in my room that I've picked up from various friends or family to remind me of them. I'm smart about it now though; I make sure to find small enough things to hang on to.

I remember as a kid whenever I'd clean my room (maybe once a year) it'd take days because I'd find things and then sit there remembering things about them. It really killed me whenever I'd have to get rid of anything.

Holding an object that I've had since I was in 2nd grade is surreal sometimes. Like it creates a line segment by which I can measure the distance between now and then. Some objects are quite powerful, like my mom's guitar. Which is the only object the both of us will ever truly care about in life.

It kinda sucks having your soul tied to an object you don't own.. but I really, really, don't want the day to come that I own it.
 

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...If my house burned down I can deal...Hell, i don't even care...I know all the media I desire is available...
...Yet I do Hord books and movies and music that are meaningful to me...
...I know they can be replaced...
 
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Every once in a great while I will get this strange idea to set up a booth or set myself up in an area and offer all my possessions for free or trade/donations and see what I end up with in the end with the exception of maybe my car, some clothes, and other basic necessities. I wonder if this is some form of suicidal ideation or if its just some kind of Buddhist type thinking or just some wierd idea I get when I get extremely depressed(on average about once every year or 2 I will get to a point of depression to consider it)

I don't think I could ever go through with it unless I was ultra-depressed and truly alone
 
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