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^Title of my autobiography.YOU HAVE TO ZOOM OUT MORE!
So what's your goal here?
^Title of my autobiography.YOU HAVE TO ZOOM OUT MORE!
So what's your goal here?
Apparently, the OP does not know about lateral thinking and that a broad set of knowledge is required for this creative endeavor. Read the latest Scientific American Mind on genius, genius.
Stop projecting your arbitrary values.ideas.
"theory"
real intelligence.
I guess you're just another Ne-dom with a whole lot of creativity and no real intelligence. Too bad. I was hoping as an ENTP you might be able to display some Ti.
Who are you accusing here? (Because I can see how... nearly everyone ITT could be accused).Hello there unwarranted feeling of superiority and need to find faults in other people so that there is no need to consider their criticism.
Why is it always the mediocre ones...
That moment when the Ne-doms are too busy being defensive to zoom out far enough to see the abstract point being made
I guess it's to be expected from an unintelligent Ne.
On a more serious note, if you can be intelligent without being creative, can you be creative without being intelligent?
All of this is complete over-rated bunk that you not only seem to value, but seem to think that others value to the point that it can be used to harm them or threaten their egos.ideas.
"theory"
real intelligence.
It must really suck to still be in the stage where mountains don't look like mountains.Ch'ing-yüan Wei-hsin said:Before I had studied Zen for thirty years, I saw mountains as mountains, and waters as waters. When I arrived at a more intimate knowledge, I came to the point where I saw that mountains are not mountains, and waters are not waters. But now that I have got its very substance I am at rest. For it's just that I see mountains once again as mountains, and waters once again as waters.
clockbaron said:(Just trolling, its a joke, don't take serious. It's not personal at all, the joke just has an enlightening core here which serves as more abstract explanation to what I want to put out there).
but one cannot attain the real function as that would change your entire type, and humans that change type have not been observed in real life and have not been around in any time of recorded human history.
Peer-reviewed empirical evidence of people changing type...?Logic fail, of the highest order.
Generally in order to get an explanation you need to ask for it.You have to take the time to explain things properly or else it wasn't worth the effort at all. Any hotshot ENTP can claim that if you're not with them immediately it's because you lack vision ....but I don't see these hotshot ENTPs explaining themselves with any conviction ~ you're nothing special.
It could be. The functions are defined nebulously at best as it is. But we could examine the products of functions with a quick factorial: 8 functions yield 255 total possible permutations with size 1-8, assuming shadow functions both exist ubiquitously and are complete.Base groove said:While I accept there are many facets to intelligence, I dispute your reasoning that each kind of intelligence is exclusive to a certain type or function. It's not true.
*Direct .pdf downloadBase groove said:That is considered neurotic by some other people.
This is true. There's a nice conical gradient ranging from specialization to generalization very similar to the structure within trophic population dynamics. Generalists are capable of filling the role of a specialist if the specialist falters and dies, but they aren't capable of directly outcompeting the specialist. In the same vein, specialists often die because they aren't as flexible as generalists. Mesopredator release is the standard ecological example here.Base groove said:"the only way" ... just, why? Where did you get that idea? Do you really believe it?
Basically what I get from that is that Te is the applied version of Ti.Base groove said:clockwork said:Intelligence = Specialization
One that does not specialize and tries to practice all types and have a bit of all will actually lose from everyone: The Ti specialist will crush him in logic. The Te specialist will run over him. etc
Wondering what is so different about being crushed vs being run over? Even your metaphors are inconsistent and yield no higher insight.
clockwork: Thus it is sticking to a type and becoming a specialist (the best) in that type which is considered intelligent
base groove: That is considered neurotic by some other people.
While I accept there are many facets to intelligence, I dispute your reasoning that each kind of intelligence is exclusive to a certain type or function. It's not true.
But it is irrelevant to my theory how these types of intelligences match to functions exactly. My OP was not about defining what all those intelligence types are, I'm just roughly saying its something similar as saying there is 8 types of intelligence for every function (or 16 for every MBTI type, 9 enneagram types, or whatever model you want to use). I am not talking about specifics. I was talking about my intelligence theory which works with any personality model you want to put on top.
Yeah that example is exploiting a very specific scenario that does not reflect the entire spectrum.
Also you are comparing balanced to specialist so whilst they are both 25%, they are not actually equal.
That's like filling two cups with liquid, only one is water and the other is apple juice and then you claim them to be the same...
So the conclusion is: you are just derailing this thread, by going into unnecessary details and taking attention away from the core of the idea. Maybe you cannot zoom out? Not N enough? I'm just kidding here, but if you don't see that every type can be intelligent in their own way, then not me, but you have actually insulted a lot of people. (good luck with being the superior type all alone.)
INTJ? Impossible match with what I have noticed. Thats not how is acting at all here. INTJs are Ni-doms, thus they are uber-discrete and hide. If I would annoy them they simply skip the thread. Such a display of nitpicking as Base Groove displays is a total waste of time for an INTJ. INTJs are totally not nitpickers on what goes on in a new thread with a new person. INTJs would just scan for something nice, and if not they simply skip/leave. Also taking things personally is the last thing an INTJ would do. INTJs are about as impersonal as you can get.
Dude, you fucking suck at typing.
thats quite a good description of what you guys are trying to do: insubordinate me!
anyway, i expected some fire ,as i know i would not be loved if i start saying people are not the type they think they are. we will make this new law: that you should never re-type someone as its not a proper thing to do to take them out of their illusion…or make them even rethink their type… as a proud INFP should stay in its rose-colored INFP illusion
thats a joke and i don't know you good enough to type either of you. But both of you displayed Fi to me for sure, it could be that I am just an uber-asshole (an uber-asshole in text, thats super evil) and that I just get you in this Fi-mood, and you normally never get to that mood. and its just me doing this! That could be…
But your proposed self-typing of INTJ (base groove) and INFJ (cherry cola), both Ni doms, are types with almost the lowest chance of displaying such behavior! Both of you have shown quite different signs than Ni. But yeah, don't listen to an asshole with no manners of course…. just scold him and make him go away
constraint 1) The model needs to have functions/nodes/elements that are equally spread over the territory (of the psychological spectrum of all types).
As a geometric example of that: In a model of 4 elements/functions, in 3D space: A tetrahedron (a triangular pyramid) of which the 4 corners represent the functions/elements (distance between all points is the same, distance to middle is the same for all points, the middle being the philosophical impossible void of non-existence).
thats quite a good description of what you guys are trying to do: insubordinate me!
bravo, quite important work you guys do here on this forum.
anyway, i expected some fire ,as i knew in advance that i would not be loved if i start saying people are not the type they think they are. you guys are the reason for this new law: that you should never re-type someone as its not a proper thing to do to take them out of their illusion…or make them even rethink their type… especially a proud INFP should stay in its rose-colored INFP illusion of whatever wrong type they choose(or you get the INFPs Fi fire all over you)
thats just a joke of course, as i don't know you good enough to type either of you as INFP for sure. But both of you displayed Fi to me for sure, it could be that I am just an uber-asshole (an uber-asshole in text, thats super evil) and that I just get you in this Fi-mood, and you normally never get to that mood. and its just me doing this! That could be… As I am pretty much of an uber-asshole stating theories without telling you all the details behind it in like 200 pages, writing it properly, in publisher-ready style. As should be done if one wants to pitch his theory according to you guys.
But your proposed self-typing of INTJ (base groove) and INFJ (cherry cola), are both Ni doms. And Ni-doms are types with almost the lowest chance of displaying such behavior! Ni-s erase all their trails and make sure there is never something bad left (this includes bitching and derailing and that kind of stuff). Both of you have shown quite different signs than Ni, at least to me.
But yeah, don't listen to an asshole with no manners of course…. just scold him and make him go away
its also my fault that i took the bait. I should have acted like a (real) Ni, ignore, erase and leave. those real Ni-guys are uber-smart you know
the nodes have to be equally spread in both versions, in both the before model and after model of your halving of the functions.
Yes you have 4 out of 8 functions IN YOUR UNCONSCIOUS. That means they are SUPPRESSED to be able to have the other 4 in your conscious mind! This is by definition by the creator of the functions (our friend Jung). See psychological types and other books.
Autistic people might be extreme Ti-doms, so Ti that they almost have no perception function (they say they are mind-blind). Autistic people actually don't know much about love, they are known for almost no positive or negative empathy
all ESFJs are low on logic by definition, as this is the only way to have more of feeling, and ESFJs who are extreme Fe really know almost no logic (you called it rationality) same thing.