Im sorry

[Desert Seagull]

Hello INTP friends. It is I who was once called Smeagle.

I urge you to accept my fullest of apologies, i never meant any harm. For all whom it may concern, the "funny" jokes on the dating thread were just jokes, no more, no less.

I was in a weird mood that week. It was the week where my Cymbalta ( An SSRI anti-depressant) , and i was feeling...strange. Apparently my humor was not accepted, and i offended people. Ive created a new sociology term called authority bias. Its when someone with authoriy or the "power" to ban someone does ban someone based on violated personal beliefs (offending). Yes i am sorry i offended who ever i offended. But I think at least a warning could have been issued instead of banishing me from this place.

I am sorry, and hope you can all accept me back. I will be careful that everything i say is not racist, sexist, or offensive in any way possible. I will keep the fucking swearing to a minimum, because apparently words are harmful, and pollute the forum with nonsense.

Being banned sent me on a journey to another world. After being banned i tried to apologize and let everyone know that i was wrong to say the terrible offensive things i did, but i couldnt because i was already banned. So i journeyed over to INTP central. Made an account there, and it wouldnt work for some reason. So the i went to personality cafe' to intp and entp section. It was horrible. Only like 2 people ever talked and i was ignored. Then i took my final trip to an intj forum, hoping to find some good conversation there. I discovered that intj's are the most boring people on Earth, and none of them responded to anyone. They just typed little 3 sentence things. It was at that moment i realized the beauty of this forum. Its easy to use, theres someone online all the time, theres a "new posts" section, and the people here actually talk to you. Its cool.

So just keep in mind, all those who are in the shadow of the ban hammer, this forum is way better than any other forum i could find. They all literally fukin sucked. I am at the mercy of you all. Do what you will, but please accept my apology. I NEED to be here. Im so bored now that baseball is over, and i really dont wana get addicted to WoW, id rather be here to talk about something interesting. Misery loves company, and ive found company similar to me.

That was quite dramatic. My Fe has surfaced lately, dont know why. Probably cymbalta.

 

[snafupants]

^ banned again four minutes upon posting this message. by the way, how can a forum literally suck? finally, you seem to be slipping on your non potty mouth pledge one post into your resurrection.

 

[Desert Seagull]

Haha ya. If those forums could suck penises, they would. Ill only use swearing when its appropriate.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Hello INTP friends. It is I who was once called Smeagle.

I urge you to accept my fullest of apologies, i never meant any harm. For all whom it may concern, the "funny" jokes on the dating thread were just jokes, no more, no less.

I was in a weird mood that week. It was the week where my Cymbalta ( An SSRI anti-depressant) , and i was feeling...strange. Apparently my humor was not accepted, and i offended people. Ive created a new sociology term called authority bias. Its when someone with authoriy or the "power" to ban someone does ban someone based on violated personal beliefs (offending). Yes i am sorry i offended who ever i offended. But I think at least a warning could have been issued instead of banishing me from this place.

I am sorry, and hope you can all accept me back. I will be careful that everything i say is not racist, sexist, or offensive in any way possible. I will keep the fucking swearing to a minimum, because apparently words are harmful, and pollute the forum with nonsense.

Being banned sent me on a journey to another world. After being banned i tried to apologize and let everyone know that i was wrong to say the terrible offensive things i did, but i couldnt because i was already banned. So i journeyed over to INTP central. Made an account there, and it wouldnt work for some reason. So the i went to personality cafe' to intp and entp section. It was horrible. Only like 2 people ever talked and i was ignored. Then i took my final trip to an intj forum, hoping to find some good conversation there. I discovered that intj's are the most boring people on Earth, and none of them responded to anyone. They just typed little 3 sentence things. It was at that moment i realized the beauty of this forum. Its easy to use, theres someone online all the time, theres a "new posts" section, and the people here actually talk to you. Its cool.

So just keep in mind, all those who are in the shadow of the ban hammer, this forum is way better than any other forum i could find. They all literally fukin sucked. I am at the mercy of you all. Do what you will, but please accept my apology. I NEED to be here. Im so bored now that baseball is over, and i really dont wana get addicted to WoW, id rather be here to talk about something interesting. Misery loves company, and ive found company similar to me.

That was quite dramatic. My Fe has surfaced lately, dont know why. Probably cymbalta.

Call me iconoclastic, but I agree with DesertSmeagle. He is a part of the INTPf community now and banning him is no better than what society does to us introverts and INTPs in particular. This place is home for some people, I reckon, and in DesertSmeagle's case, he simply felt comfortable enough that he thought he could let loose, apparently not. Either way, I do not think his actions necessitated a ban, as INTPs is it not our duty to be objective and forgiving? I ask you, forum staff, to detach yourselves from authority and your feelings and realize the mistake you have made.

 

[Da Blob]

Haha ya. If those forums could suck penises, they would. Ill only use swearing when its appropriate.

IMO, it is very rarely appropriate. i used to tell my clients that use of profanity was a sign of a lack of intelligence - it seems as though some are so stupid that the only adjective they know is 'fucking' - they are balanced out perhaps by the pseudo-intellectuals that think that the adjective 'scientific' has more meaning than the adjective, 'fucking' and use it as often..

 

[nexion]

I have never seen, except in rampant trolling/spamming situations, the need of banning at all. I'm sure a great majority of the people on this forum say offensive things often. I agree, you should have given him a warning, and I can vouch for Smeagle's honesty and integrity.

Aside from that, I'm sure there is a good deal of cursing on this forum; it could sometimes be considered rampant, and even slanderous terms sometimes get thrown around. I disagree with slanderous statements for the most part, but a word is a word.

I think I am far deviating from my point. I just really don't see why Smeagle was banned.

 

[Tyria]

Creation of multiple accounts is not allowed.

 

[Anthile]

Call me iconoclastic, but I agree with DesertSmeagle. He is a part of the INTPf community now and banning him is no better than what society does to us introverts and INTPs in particular. This place is home for some people, I reckon, and in DesertSmeagle's case, he simply felt comfortable enough that he thought he could let loose, apparently not. Either way, I do not think his actions necessitated a ban, as INTPs is it not our duty to be objective and forgiving? I ask you, forum staff, to detach yourselves from authority and your feelings and realize the mistake you have made.

If you call a place your home, you should make sure that you fit in and don't make that everyone who already lives there wants you dead. It's quite obvious from the replies DesertSmeagle got, that a lot of people would love to deep fry him. From his absolutely inane postings, even more inane attention whoring, distastefully warped world view, constant swearing and pretty much reenacting the Saw series with words of the English language; I have a hard time seeing anything redeemable about his time on this forum. INTPf has a lot to offer and is very tolerant towards all sorts of characters but being here is a privilege and not a right. If some people think this is some sort of frat party, this is not the right place for them and we have no qualms about removing such individuals. You may call that despotic - that's because it is.
Also, you are gravely mistaken when you think that we are not detached from authority and feelings because otherwise we would have banned DesertSmeagle a lot earlier.

 

[Fukyo]

I would recommend blogging on a dedicated site.

 

[Melllvar]

While I personally don't really care one way or the other this time, and hate to take sides, in the mods defense, he was warned he would likely be banned at the rate he was going. Personally if I was banned I think I'd be insulted to the point of not wanting to come back, but that's just me.

Also, since your attempt to re-ingratiate yourself seems to have failed, I recommend 4chan.org. I just hope they don't retaliate against this forum for sending you.

 

[DarkGreen]

D.S. don't really go to 4chan, it's disgusting from what I've heard. I really liked your cheetah and eyepatch profile pic., things started to go downhill when you changed it. If you were less gross and more thoughtfull then people will accept you, being crazy doesn't just cut it. :} We're all nuts here but we're not gross, find more meaning in what you do and DO learn from your mistakes. Perhaps you might try a third time? If you're brave enough.

 

[SpaceYeti]

how can a forum literally suck?

"Literally" is now it's own antonym. Check the dictionary. You can now use "literally" when you mean "figuratively". It was the subject of one of my blog posts a few months ago.

 

[nexion]

Also, since your attempt to re-ingratiate yourself seems to have failed, I recommend 4chan.org. I just hope they don't retaliate against this forum for sending you.

That's a terrible idea. And the fact that they could retaliate easily makes it 1000000x worse, unless you want them to wipe the site "for the lulz."

D.S. don't really go to 4chan, it's disgusting from what I've heard. I really liked your cheetah and eyepatch profile pic., things started to go downhill when you changed it. If you were less gross and more thoughtfull then people will accept you, being crazy doesn't just cut it. :} We're all nuts here but we're not gross, find more meaning in what you do and DO learn from your mistakes. Perhaps you might try a third time? If you're brave enough.

Meh. Maybe.

"Literally" is now it's own antonym. Check the dictionary. You can now use "literally" when you mean "figuratively". It was the subject of one of my blog posts a few months ago.

I read that blog.

And actually have been steering clear of using the word "literally" because of it. truthfully, the word "literally" adds nothing to the word it is describing, because it must be assumed that that word is true regardless.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Also, since your attempt to re-ingratiate yourself seems to have failed, I recommend 4chan.org. I just hope they don't retaliate against this forum for sending you.

That's a terrible idea. And the fact that they could retaliate easily makes it 1000000x worse, unless you want them to wipe the site "for the lulz."

Lol

 

[Melllvar]

D.S. don't really go to 4chan, it's disgusting from what I've heard. I really liked your cheetah and eyepatch profile pic., things started to go downhill when you changed it. If you were less gross and more thoughtfull then people will accept you, being crazy doesn't just cut it. :} We're all nuts here but we're not gross, find more meaning in what you do and DO learn from your mistakes. Perhaps you might try a third time? If you're brave enough.

Actually, in all seriousness, that's probably the best idea.

There are two possibilities:

1) Smeagle was intentionally trolling for amusement/controversy/attention/etc.
2) He was naive and being unintentionally abrasive and didn't realize how much he was going to tick people off.

If the latter is true, he might consider just making another account and not telling anyone who he is (ever), and then he could come back and self-censor so that people might enjoy putting up with him more. Then even if some mod does catch on perhaps they would see the attempts at reform and let him be (or not).

If the former is true, he's just a garden variety troll and his ban is justified. Usually I take a more anti-banning stance, but I'm pretty sure he was just trolling intentionally, and this thread is probably another attempt at seeing how much he can get away with. Apologies if I'm wrong, Smeagle.

As for 4chan attacking INTPf... if they strike us down, we shall rise up more powerful than they could ever have imagined! Oh wait, that was Obi-Wan, not INTPf...

 

[nexion]

Actually, in all seriousness, that's probably the best idea.

There are two possibilities:

1) Smeagle was intentionally trolling for amusement/controversy/attention/etc.
2) He was naive and being unintentionally abrasive and didn't realize how much he was going to tick people off.

If the latter is true, he might consider just making another account and not telling anyone who he is (ever), and then he could come back and self-censor so that people might enjoy putting up with him more. Then even if some mod does catch on perhaps they would see the attempts at reform and let him be (or not).

If the former is true, he's just a garden variety troll and his ban is justified. Usually I take a more anti-banning stance, but I'm pretty sure he was just trolling intentionally, and this thread is probably another attempt at seeing how much he can get away with. Apologies if I'm wrong, Smeagle.

As for 4chan attacking INTPf... if they strike us down, we shall rise up more powerful than they could ever have imagined! Oh wait, that was Obi-Wan, not INTPf...

I don't think number one is true... or at least in the context of the entire forum. Maybe that one thread... but I think Smeagle was honest and genuine most of the time. I think I probably knew him more than most other people on the forum because I talked to him the most and he is very much like me. Oh, and I think someone else on the forum knows him from either another forum or real life.

 

[Melllvar]

Well, if it was a series of honest mistakes or he just got carried away, then I sincerely apologize for having called him a troll. But you have to admit, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

In any case, he really only has two options: "start over" and hope no one notices, or stay banned. Also, he might be able to hack the forum, ban all the admins and take over completely, but that's probably more of a Hollywood movie thing rather than a viable option.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I don't think number one is true... or at least in the context of the entire forum. Maybe that one thread... but I think Smeagle was honest and genuine most of the time.

Yes, I mean I know a lot of the stuff he said was abrasive, but this situation is like getting mad at reporters for broadcasting the reality of wars. He just did not censor his words, but that does not mean he was intentionally engaging in destructive behavior.

 

[DarkGreen]

I really hope nothing bad like those trolling attacks happen here, I really like this forum. >M<'

 

[Claverhouse]

*uneasily* How many variants of Owl Bears are there in the world ?

If the latter is true, he might consider just making another account and not telling anyone who he is (ever), and then he could come back and self-censor so that people might enjoy putting up with him more.

Apropos of nothing, could I remark that making new accounts once banned is really not the best way to induce madmins to lift that ban. It rather annoys them.


And yes, I'm speaking to you, Optimus Prime, Nordic Owl Bear, Mecha Owl Bear, and Reptilian Owl Bear...





Claverhouse

 

[Melllvar]

Re: *uneasily* How many variants of Owl Bears are there in the world ?

Apropos of nothing, could I remark that making new accounts once banned is really not the best way to induce madmins to lift that ban. It rather annoys them.

Hm, well, I'm just speculating; you're the expert, after all.

 

[nexion]

Well, if it was a series of honest mistakes or he just got carried away, then I sincerely apologize for having called him a troll. But you have to admit, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

In any case, he really only has two options: "start over" and hope no one notices, or stay banned. Also, he might be able to hack the forum, ban all the admins and take over completely, but that's probably more of a Hollywood movie thing rather than a viable option.

That IS a viable option, if one were to put their time and resources to do that one thing. Not that I'm condoning that in any way.

 

[The Gopher]

I really liked your cheetah and eyepatch profile pic.

Yeah that was the best part. He said you didn't warn him though did you? (just a question[don't ban me])

Disclamer: if this post is used as grounds for banning I will deny ever posting this post it was my younger brother who hacked my account and posted stupid things. You may not use this post for entertainment purposes outside of australia. I accept no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of any marerial contained herein.
(I know that it is clear that someone didn't hack his account but I would be good to warn incase someone did[but you are the expert{as was already stated}])

 

[nexion]

Yeah that was the best part. He said you didn't warn him though did you? (just a question[don't ban me])

Disclamer: if this post is used as grounds for banning I will deny ever posting this post it was my younger brother who hacked my account and posted stupid things. You may not use this post for entertainment purposes outside of australia. I accept no responsibility for the accuracy or completeness of any marerial contained herein.
(I know that it is clear that someone didn't hack his account but I would be good to warn incase someone did[but you are the expert{as was already stated}])

If someone is going to ban you for an honest question then this forum is fascist and the mods are bitches.

One person gets banned, and it causes a giant case of mass hysteria...

 

[The Gopher]

yeah it was partly a joke(don't ban me[please])

 

[Melllvar]

If someone is going to ban you for an honest question then this forum is fascist and the mods are bitches.

One person gets banned, and it causes a giant case of mass hysteria...

Yeah, I think the fact that Smeagle lasted so long goes to show they aren't exactly a tyrannical bunch. Most forums aren't nearly this lax and forgiving, and the unmoderated ones really do make you appreciate a decent mod team.

 

[Coolydudey60]

I personally like giving people second chances (much less tolerant ones) once they have realized what they have done wrong. If they still can't conform then the permanent ban will be given. But look at smeagles case... He's taking anti-depression drugs(ok we are intps but that's not the point) I think this ban needs to be looked into more in depth
(don't ban me)

 

[snafupants]

these parenthetical supplications and half jokes about not being banned from the forum just reinforce this dubious hierarchy between regular members and other. the moderators are regular people, unendowed with magical powers, so everyone can get off of their knees now and, in the case of some of you, wipe off their lips, chins, and other affected areas.

 

[The Gopher]

Yeah, I think the fact that Smeagle lasted so long goes to show they aren't exactly a tyrannical bunch. Most forums aren't nearly this lax and forgiving, and the unmoderated ones really do make you appreciate a decent mod team.

yeah true but if he was cut off with a warning a lot sooner he might have stopped(might not but still)

 

[JimHawkins]

What was wrong with a temp-ban to let him calm down?

 

[DarkGreen]

I love Jim Hawkins =W=

 

[DarkGreen]

Wait! The character, not the user! I just realized how weird that sounded. *facepalm*

 

[Melllvar]

yeah true but if he was cut off with a warning a lot sooner he might have stopped(might not but still)

He was given fair warning it might, and probably would, happen.

 

[s0nystyle]

wait i thought the bans were permanent like the one issued to aishitaria or something (cant seem to remember his name)

 

[The Gopher]

He was given fair warning it might, and probably would, happen.

well technically he wasn't warned by a mod was he? He did apologize,or is it to late to.

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I love Jim Hawkins =W=

Wait! The character, not the user! I just realized how weird that sounded. *facepalm*

Too late! When's the wedding? I want cake.

 

[Cavallier]

I find these discussions fascinating. I am grateful that our system isn't so bureaucratic as some of you seem to want. It's more organic and lenient than that:

When a new member comes they don't necessarily know the official rules though those tend to be the same from forum to forum. They are given time to learn the feel of the forum and (if they care to) read the thread about forum rules. If they continuously infringe on the rules a member points it out to them. Often an admin doesn't even have to step in. In a lot of ways this ensures that the forum adheres to what the forum members what it to be. If the new member continues to infringe and cause forum upheaval gradually more and more members will start making complaints. If you follow Deagle's actions over the last few months you'll notice various members pointing out his lack of couth and respect. I was not the first to point out his spamming youtube videos after all. Eventually the admins take note of the changing tide of the general forum populace's opinion toward this member and he/she will get banned if they don't straighten up.

At least this is how I've seen these things turn out over the year that I've been here. If the forum populace starts sharpening their pitch forks and collecting torches the Admins kick out the irritant before the lynch mob gets organized.

 

[The Gopher]

I would have liked the lynch mob and I bet smeagel would to

the battle would be magnificent Smeagles team vs the mods... ok it would be quick but funny.(note I would probably be a bystander)

and I do agree there was some video spamming but mainly in the video section?(I can be wrong though)

and don't worry I like organic and lenient

and yeah this isn't the INFP forum.

 

[Cavallier]

^You mean you wouldn't join in and bend banana's at people? Damn. I was looking forward to that.

 

[The Gopher]

well we do bend bannans for the rest of the world so I would be in the stands bannanaing people. (you do know the only reason bannans are bent is because queenslanders do it, right?)

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I find these discussions fascinating. I am grateful that our system isn't so bureaucratic as some of you seem to want. It's more organic and lenient than that:

When a new member comes they don't necessarily know the official rules though those tend to be the same from forum to forum. They are given time to learn the feel of the forum and (if they care to) read the thread about forum rules. If they continuously infringe on the rules a member points it out to them. Often an admin doesn't even have to step in. In a lot of ways this ensures that the forum adheres to what the forum members what it to be. If the new member continues to infringe and cause forum upheaval gradually more and more members will start making complaints. If you follow Deagle's actions over the last few months you'll notice various members pointing out his lack of couth and respect. I was not the first to point out his spamming youtube videos after all. Eventually the admins take note of the changing tide of the general forum populace's opinion toward this member and he/she will get banned if they don't straighten up.

At least this is how I've seen these things turn out over the year that I've been here. If the forum populace starts sharpening their pitch forks and collecting torches the Admins kick out the irritant before the lynch mob gets organized.

Well I guess from this perspective he pretty much had it coming. If he was ignored I think it would have ended up differently, but because more than once his actions were acknowledged by the community that pretty much says something was not kosher.

 

[The Gopher]

well how would it have ended up?

 

[EyeSeeCold]

Everything would have just continued on the way it was going.

 

[Mello]

Who's Desert Smeagle?

 

[The Gopher]

an famous or infamous ex-member (didn't you see him, really? he kinda created a splash[or was that a joke?])

 

[Melllvar]

these parenthetical supplications and half jokes about not being banned from the forum just reinforce this dubious hierarchy between regular members and other. the moderators are regular people, unendowed with magical powers, so everyone can get off of their knees now and, in the case of some of you, wipe off their lips, chins, and other affected areas.

That was kind of the point I was trying to make... a lot of other forums will shut a thread down the moment it goes off-topic, or ban you for cracking too many jokes, although those are typically more topic-specific forums, not just a general place for people to hang out and discuss. The unmoderated ones typically drive away the more interesting members as they become loaded with drivel eventually. My intention was to point out that while mods are authority figures and should therefore be subject to public criticism, they are a necessary evil. Also, someone somewhere has to pay for the hosting, bandwidth, etc. for this place, and in the end it's really their decision what the rules are and how it should be run. Once so many people start cracking jokes about "don't ban me," which I can only assume might get annoying for the moderation team, I feel I should point out how this place seems actually rather well-run and reasonable.

Personally, I think Adymus' temp-ban was a lot more debatable than Smeagle's (although it did serve to defuse the situation). But again, it really isn't my decision.

If I unintentionally performed fellatio on someone, I hope it was at least satisfactory for them.

 

[cheese]

The more interesting thing about snafu's quote imo is that peculiar Americanism: "off of". Why do you people say this? Don't you realise it drives some of us insane?

And if you're not American snafu, I do apologise; my fight is with them, not their helpless, brainwashed trolls.

(I love America though <3)

 

[Melllvar]

Part of our master plan for world domination is to destroy the English language the way we do certain third-world countries...

 

[cheese]

You should've just gotten the third-world countries to do the work for you!

And together, with your powers combined, you could've .... come up with even more unintelligible excuses.

 

[Melllvar]

It wasn't unintelligible. I knew exactly what I meant.

[actually it was just a joke]