I'm no feeler, but...

[vertimptote]

WARNING - nsfw, and possibly very disturbing

I was directed to a video by my ENFP friend of a recent PETA exposition about a Chinese fur farm. (link provided below) On account of my strong T preference, having seen a lot of disturbing video footage/graphics before (albeit largely of human gore and nothing IRL, luckily), and my general indifference to corporal violence, I was not expecting to be so strongly disturbed by the video.

I have recently begun to notice that while I generally have little feeling for other people and their misfortunes, in situations of extreme torture or suffering I'm bothered to some degree by animal torture. Seeing a human skinned alive or burned fatally bothers me little (though I can't say I like it), but seeing an animal in the same condition causes me to cringe and have recurring nightmares days later. I don't feel so much sympathetic as I do just generally disturbed by the image. Can anyone else relate to this? Is this experienced by other INTPs, or is this merely my inferior Fe surfacing?

Additionally, if you are willing to watch the video, I am interested in your reactions to it.

http://www.peta.org/feat/chineseFurFarms/index.asp

 

[Adymus]

Oh on! You just turned into an F!

Yeah man, that's how they get ya. Feelers are actually not born, they are created when thinkers watch that PETA video.

 

[s0nystyle]

OH MAI GAWD <///33 WHY DID YOU EVER SHOW THAT TO ME

i think you </3 more than when my own dog died on my birthday when i was 9

 

[vertimptote]

Lol. I doubt such an experience will transform me into an F (at least I really hope not), but I sure feel like one when I see shit like that. I mean, I don't cry, but I'm sure I look sufficiently distressed.

I should probably befriend/fall for fewer Fs and adopt more INTP acquaintances.

 

[s0nystyle]

i still have this pain at the bottom of my heart after watching that video

 

[Razare]

I'm fairly protective towards animals when it comes to extreme stuff. But then I also eat all my food without an delusions as to the conditions it existed under before slaughter.

 

[Fukyo]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I usually don't give a crap about most people (eg. strangers), but animal torture, abuse and suffering really gets to me at an emotional level.

 

[nihilen.]

I find your lack of empathy for humans and overwhelming empathy for animals baffling.

I cannot tolerate the sight of animal torture, but that is only because I subconsciously humanize these trivial creatures, I don't really give a fuck about them.

btw didn't watch the video in the OP, I'm getting from the reactions that it's not something I'd want permanently engraved in my memory.

 

[Anthile]

Yeah, I know what you mean. I usually don't give a crap about most people (eg. strangers), but animal torture, abuse and suffering really gets to me at an emotional level.

That's because we attach things like 'They could fight back" or "They probably had it coming" to humans while we see animals as helpless and innocent.

 

[s0nystyle]

That's because we attach things like 'They could fight back" or "They probably had it coming" to humans while we see animals as helpless and innocent.

ty for rationalizing my weakness

*proceeds to desensitize self*

 

[Deckard]

ty for rationalizing my weakness

*proceeds to desensitize self*

Wait, but they actually are helpless and innocent. How does that desensitise you?

 

[KazeCraven]

I don't know about feeling emotionally sorry for the animals, but cutting up flesh makes me sick. I don't know if I'd vomit if I watched long enough, but I'm not inclined to watch it the whole way through.

 

[s0nystyle]

Wait, but they actually are helpless and innocent. How does that desensitise you?

I'll have to find a way to get rid of my weakness so i'll be less subjective to animal genocides when i see them. Feeling all squimish after watching that video pisses me off

 

[Dr. Zombie]

In the wild, animal cruelty is the norm. Predators routinely eat still-living creatures. They don't know any better.

But was, as humans, ought to know better. I don't have anything against fur or meat, but watching that video, seeing people laughing and joking as they are systematically torturing the animals... makes me want to do terrible things to the people doing it.

The death should be humane. Why do they have to skin the animal while it's still alive? Sadistic pleasure? Such people make me sick to my stomach.

Yeah, I'm not much of a feeler either, but that's going to give me nightmares, I just know it.

 

[Deckard]

I'll have to find a way to get rid of my weakness so i'll be less subjective to animal genocides when i see them. Feeling all squimish after watching that video pisses me off

Maybe we should subject ourselves to the full emotional impact of the animal suffering that we cause? Maybe desensitisation is the mechanism that allows this suffering to continue? I think your sympathetic squeamishness and anger are very much justified.

 

[420MuNkEy]

I wish seeing something like that would elicit some emotional response, but alas, the internets have left me wholly desensitized.

Also, I'd just like to note, while most people find this shocking, this does not justify PETA in any way. They are striving for total animal liberation by promoting terrorism (see: animal liberation front). Animal Liberation means no more pets (not even service dogs for the blind), no milk (soy milk isn't milk, it's juice), no zoos, etc. Make no mistake, they are all insane.

 

[ohsnap]

Oh my god.... I'm scarred. How are some people so stupid and heartless?

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

Oh my god.... I'm scarred. How are some people so stupid and heartless?

There is no way to determine their intelligence or how much heart they have from the clip. We may disagree with their behavior but we are in now position to cast judgment upon them. Their standard of behavior is determined by their environment. We are not conditioned by that environment, we would not know what is a acceptable standard of behavior.

 

[TheHmmmm]

That's because we attach things like 'They could fight back" or "They probably had it coming" to humans while we see animals as helpless and innocent.

Actually, I think of things like "humans have nice complicated emotions like avarice and manipulative malice" whereas I generally see animals as emotionally simplistic: either you're hostile towards me in which case we mutually leave each other alone, or we love each other reciprocally. I can't say the same for people.

 

[I'mProbablyanINTP]

Actually, I think of things like "humans have nice complicated emotions like avarice and manipulative malice" whereas I generally see animals as emotionally simplistic: either you're hostile towards me in which case we mutually leave each other alone, or we love each other reciprocally. I can't say the same for people.

Hint: Humans are animals

 

[420MuNkEy]

Hint: Humans are animals

I agree.

Regardless, ones ability to feel a particular emotion does not negate ones ability to feel pain (Which I am assuming is the core of most peoples empathy).

 

[Vegard Pompey]

That's because we attach things like 'They could fight back" or "They probably had it coming" to humans while we see animals as helpless and innocent.

I don't know why I care more about animals than humans, but whatever the reason is, it's not this. Babies and small children can't necessarily fight back/didn't necessarily have it coming, but I'm just as happy to see them die horribly anyway.

 

[Pants]

I'll never believe that the cameraman didn't hire someone to do this. Or that PETA didn't buy the video for a hundred times more.

I think part of the difference between seeing a person skinned alive and seeing an animal skinned alive is that you realize that the animal was ACTUALLY SKINNED ALIVE. I doubt that you'd be so desensitized if you saw a real life person really skinned alive in real life.

 

[PapyrusAirplanes]

Number one, the definition of T is "tough-skinned," not "emotionless." It's okay to be sympathetic. You're human. Probably.

Number two, this is the video that made me go vegan. I mean, the people've gotta do what they've gotta do to make ends meet, and I could see why they couldn't afford lethal injections and that killing it with force would ruin the pelt. But still... the way a society treats its animals is a picture of how it views and values its people. (... Not counting Hindu countries.) This sort of thing shouldn't be allowed to happen, not only for the animals' sake but for humanity as a whole. (And can you imagine the trauma it must put the skinner through, having to peel the skin off a living creature?)

And I agree with Pants^. If y'all had seen a person actually being skinned alive, you'd be traumatized.

 

[Puffy]

Doesn't need to be a human being skinned, its horrifying enough as it is.

 

[SilentChaos]

I found that video deeply disturbing, but then again I have from a young age disagreed strongly on killing animals for human benefit. I see no difference between humans and animals; if we skin an animal alive a human should be skinned alive too. We should not prioritise ourselves above animals.

I found it impossible to even kill mosquitoes until I was 8, after all you wouldn’t kill a person so why would you kill a mosquito? (The answers I got to that question never pleased me)

I think human’s value intelligence to highly, innocents is to be valued just as much. Personally I do not wish to obtain innocence but I think its beaut by far out ways that of intelligence, I pity those who haven’t noticed that.

I usually find emotional human problems to be entertaining like a novelty, but physical pain is a different matter; physical pain is real and is to be feared.

If my hatred of physical pain doesn’t make me an intp, then I never wanted to be one.

(i think what im trying to say here is that physical pain is a logical thing, which would make it easy for an intp to understand wouldn't it?)