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I've got the classic INTP traits: the shameless Wikipedia addiction, the constant need to read and/or learn about everything, the indecisiveness, the polite reserve, the quiet akwardness, the giant lonely streak, the dark and very sharp sense of humor, and the ability to lash out at someone verbally like a pit viper when I'm angered or really, really bored.

It's funny... every time I get on her I feel I'm meeting myself. lol I have done my best to kill my pit viper though. I don't like snakes. Anyways, greetings and welcome to the forum where you can use big words, be sarcastic, and take things literally without anyone calling you a freak. I trust you will enjoy your stay.
 

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I an almost completely unrelated note, I can't stand the taste of star fruit. My aunt told me they were like deliciously sweet apples with a bit of a tang. What lies. Never again. :mad:

That's a pretty interesting story about your eyes, though. Painful, but interesting. You should have asked the doctor to install a laser while he was at it. That would have been sweet.
 

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^ I am of the opinion that the only appeal of star fruit is that it's shaped like a star.
 

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I tend to eat somewhat exotic food. Hence my toasted cheese sandwich and pringles I am currently eating.

But really. I also eat breadfruit and sugar cane and kalamata and such. I live next to a store that sells exotic foods, and I'll try almost anything. So please don't mind my username. lol And I do enjoy starfruit, but not as much as plain grapefruit. But I hear there are a lot of people against that too. lol

And I have a feeling this is quite a derailing. Back to topic... I agree. Should have had a laser installed.
 

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Oh goody goody. I'm fired up already. :D Time to get to work. Again, this is a debate. No hard feelings involved (can't believe how many people cried after debating. had to say this at least twenty times during a certain debate.

Well I've been all three, and hardly noticed a difference between them. :confused:
Irrelevant. The fact that I'm not talking about individual blondes but rather the overall number of blondes does not mean that one blonde can disprove the rest.
Did they think she was less intelligent Editor? It sounds like she improved her looks, and that always tends to net more attention from men, even if platonic. If she had dyed her hair a dark rich brown, or a striking red she would have noticed the same things.

That's an unfounded assumption. There could be the possibility that more men like blondes than men who like red-heads, and it could be possible that where she was from the men like blondes. It could be possible that where you are from, men don't like blondes. We are talking about individual places.

So were these natural blondes or fake blondes? This is important since, it's possibly that certain personalities would gravitate towards this particular color for the perceived attributes of the stereotype. So instead of blondes are manipulative, it would be manipulative girls want to be blonde.

Natural. Just answering your question. XD

There is also a biological aspect, since males generally have more testosterone and most desire to appear masculine. The behavior I outlined plays into that. I never said anything along the lines that women pretend to be stupid though, some do and so do some men. I observe a lot of it, but I don't expect it of women. If anything it's more of a common tactic than stereotype.

Some do, some do not. This is the same thing when I said, "Not all blondes are manipulative". It's clear you are bringing up a thesis similar to mine, though yours may be better founded. The same way men are expected to do manual labor, the same way women are expected to do feminine layer. Either way, biologically or not, it's a stereotype. Don't you agree?

The only reason I brought it up, was that you made the assertion that blondes often pretend to be stupid, I was only correcting and saying it was present in all hair colors and that it is a common manipulative behavior.

I remember also stating, "I observe this alot in other races..." I know that it is present in everyone. But it seems that blondes do it more than so. Of course, in your areas, blondes may not do so.

Everyone is manipulative to a degree, how are blondes more so and why? Why are red heads and brunettes less manipulative? Is it only at your school? Does it make a difference if hair color is natural or artificial? Does this change with the demographics of an area? What about all the other colors? Are you implying their's some gene that will make women both manipulative and blonde? Do the same hair color rules apply to men.

I'm not saying that anyone is less manipulative than blondes. What I'm saying is that blondes tend to manipulate more than other types, maybe because they can, they need to, or they like too. I'm gravitating that to the fact that the blondes at my school are more good-looking than the other schools.
I believe that manipulation is not a gene, rather, something you learn. It could be that blondes tend to be more good-looking or attractive and thus they are more capable of manipulating.
Colors do have some effect too. If a person came in a room with wild purple hair, I believe that the first-impressions would be he was a wild, crazy guy. Who knows?

Saying 'blondes are more or less manipulative in one specific place' doesn't mean anything. Ashitaria, you're just making subjective assertions that cannot be tested, it's essentially an excuse for you to be prejudiced, albeit in a small way. Plus you're applying these standards to random non-related women, implying that they need to somehow prove to you that they're not manipulative like all the other blondes you've met. Why should they need to go through the effort of proving you wrong?
(hint: They're far more likely just to think you an asshole and ignore you, under which circumstances you might postulate that all blondes are cold bitches.)

Again, no hard feelings. But since it cannot be tested, you assuming that blondes are not manipulative is the same thing that me assuming blondes are manipulative. I'm not applying these standards, like I said. I'm just pointing out a pattern or an observation. I'm sorry if I offended you.

And I don't really care if they are manipulative or not. If they are not, fine. I'll just withdraw my thesis. If they are, fine. I don't care.

I'm not saying hair color doesn't have an effect, but it's an intermittent and unpredictable effect. It's not something you can judge people upon.

I don't judge people because of their hair-color. I'm just saying, some people of a hair-color have certain similar traits. It's a pattern I see. People with lights and high-lights tend to be very creative and un-conventional. People with crazy colors (purple, rainbow) are eccentric and rebellious. People who listen to jazz tend to be more inventive, people who listen to rock are rebellious...etc.

What we want our hair-color to be, what music we listen, what handwriting we have.....

Shows people a certain characteristic.

[I'm not nearly as riled as I sound, and I know you meant no harm. I'm not taking it that seriously, although a blanket statement like that on race, gender, orientation, etc and you'd make yourself a lot of enemies. ;) ]
Damn I glad you feel that way.

Hi, new person. I come too late to this thread....



I've never understood this completely. It seems so terribly condescending and manipulative. Do they want a relationship or a toy? How do they expect to have real relationships if they're built upon nothing but petty power games and faked personas? How are they supposed to even enjoy it if they have to build this whole act? Unless their goal is to just to play men for their own sick amusement, I don't see that as intelligent behavior at all.

I agree.

And why would intelligent women pretend to be stupid in an attempt to get men? Wouldn't that just perpetuate the stupid-woman stereotype and land them men that need dominance and inflated egos and treat them like the stupid women they pretend to be? :confused: I think it's retarded...

I agree.


Grr, just thinking about the kind of women that say 'I let him think ____' pisses me off. *Kuu storms back into the volcano lair to continue plotting the destruction of mankind*

I agree.


Man, how did you get away with this BS without anyone calling you on it? First of all, "columbians", "puerto-ricos" and mexicans aren't races. Second, education and socioeconomic status have much more to do with perceived violence and intelligence than 'race'. Third, most people nowadays have an extremely mixed genetic background, and the way 'race' is measured is sketchy at best anyway. Fourth, since when is the police a reliable source of information?

They may not be races, but they are stereotypes. And education and socioeconomic status have much to do with a race, doesn't it? The education system could be founded upon culture. In Singapore, education in our culture is of the highest priority. In Africa, the lowest. In Russia, education about the government is the highest priority. They have much to do with race. Africans economy has always been based on agriculture. China's economy is based on manufacturing. It has alot to do with race.

Race is mostly determined by skin color. You don't call a black-colored person white even if his father is partly white. Yes, in some cases, it's mostly sketchy. But skin color determines it all.

Since when is anything a reliable source of information?
 

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Can you still see out of both eyes? I don't understand how you'd replace a 'lens'.
 

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"Did they think she was less intelligent Editor?"

This has all moved beyond my meagre anecdotal contribution, however, I will note "insufficient information" as to why there was a change when she went blonde. As far as improving her appearance, please note she was stunningly attractive as a brunette and stunningly attractive as a blonde, and yes, you might say I'm not an impartial observer.
 

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Can you still see out of both eyes? I don't understand how you'd replace a 'lens'.


I see perfectly with one eye and for the most part the other works pretty well. I have trouble in bright sunshine (oh the irony, I live in Florida) but other than that I'm good. You can have a lens replaced. They replace then with donated cadaver's lenses. On the by and by, since I don't have any problems with my vision I don't have any desire to try and correct it for cosmetic's sake. I feel like a total attention whore, you should tell me more about yourself. All of you!
 

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I see perfectly with one eye and for the most part the other works pretty well. I have trouble in bright sunshine (oh the irony, I live in Florida) but other than that I'm good. You can have a lens replaced. They replace then with donated cadaver's lenses. On the by and by, since I don't have any problems with my vision I don't have any desire to try and correct it for cosmetic's sake. I feel like a total attention whore, you should tell me more about yourself. All of you!

The only reason why you're an attention whore is because you're a girl. :D

Most of the men in this forum are INTP girl-hungry. ;)
 

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I see perfectly with one eye and for the most part the other works pretty well. I have trouble in bright sunshine (oh the irony, I live in Florida) but other than that I'm good. You can have a lens replaced. They replace then with donated cadaver's lenses. On the by and by, since I don't have any problems with my vision I don't have any desire to try and correct it for cosmetic's sake. I feel like a total attention whore, you should tell me more about yourself. All of you!

Wow, you started quite a thread! Don't get your eye fixed if it doesn't affect your vision, I bet it looks kickass now this way.
Whatcha wanna know? :D
 

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Alice?.....You amaze me. In a good way. XD

I wish I had two different colored eyes. I have one that is abit bigger and blacker than the other one (one dark brown, one light black) but it's nothing compared to having one green and one blue. :(
 

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Ashitaria, you remind me of a Sour Patch Kid candy - first you're sour, then you're sweet. :D
 

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Wow, you started quite a thread! Don't get your eye fixed if it doesn't affect your vision, I bet it looks kickass now this way.
Whatcha wanna know? :D


1. Pick a group and name one of your 5 favorite books, bands, or TV shows.
2. What personality type of the opposite sex do you tend to gravitate towards whether its wise or not.
3. Give me an example of a situation or some random bit of ignorance that tends to fly out of people's mouth willy nilly, that really sets you off or, I guess, violates a principle of yours.

Thanks Alice, I think you set a very good example for other INTP girls everywhere.
 

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1. Pick a group and name one of your 5 favorite books, bands, or TV shows.
2. What personality type of the opposite sex do you tend to gravitate towards whether its wise or not.
3. Give me an example of a situation or some random bit of ignorance that tends to fly out of people's mouth willy nilly, that really sets you off or, I guess, violates a principle of yours.

Thanks Alice, I think you set a very good example for other INTP girls everywhere.

Aw shucks, don't make me blush now :D.
1. Can't choose! Favorite Books: 1984 by George Orwell, Brave New World by Aldous Huxley (I'm a sucker for dystopian literature) Favorite TV shows: Lost, Fringe, Firefly, BSG, Star Trek Voyager, Mythbusters! Bands: Err, I don't really have a favorite, but right now I really enjoy NiN, Tool, The Shins, and Radiohead. It'll probably change in a couple weeks or depending on how I'm feeling. :P
2. Uh, let's see. I'm not sure I'd ever be attracted to someone that I wouldn't be compatible with! I've noticed a trend in attraction towards ENFJs, but I'd hate to rule out any potential relationship solely based on what type they MIGHT be. Hehe, that being said, I'd say my last ex-boyfriend was an ESFP and it was absolutely henious. He accused me of being to cold/aloof, yadda yadda big suprise. Yep, that was a winner. I did make an effort to be warmer but he was just so damn clingy that he zapped all of the emotional energy out of me. He was my first real 'relationship,' and needless to say he turned me off future ones. I think I might be ready to give it another go sometime, though.
3. Ohh, that's a good one. I'm bad about coming up with examples on the spot, I'll have to think about that and get back to you.
Edit: Oh, I kinda got one. I really don't appreciated it when people make generalizations about me because of my age. It's happening less and less as I'm getting a little older, but it really used to piss me off when it happened on a regular basis. Yeah.
 

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My eyes aren't the product of any genetic or disease related issue.

Sorry to hear about the accident. Well I guess David Bowie and you have something (interesting) in common.

Chimeraism/mosaicism would have been cool though. :p

You should have asked the doctor to install a laser while he was at it. That would have been sweet.

Changing batteries would be a bit of a bitch though.
 

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1. Pick a group and name one of your 5 favorite books, bands, or TV shows.
2. What personality type of the opposite sex do you tend to gravitate towards whether its wise or not.
3. Give me an example of a situation or some random bit of ignorance that tends to fly out of people's mouth willy nilly, that really sets you off or, I guess, violates a principle of yours.

Thanks Alice, I think you set a very good example for other INTP girls everywhere.


Would anybody else be so kind as to answer these questions?? I tend to gravitates towards INTJ guys and I was wondering if that was common trait to punish one's self in such a manner?
 

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I tend to gravitates towards INTJ guys
Lol, unabashed teasing.

It's little wonder this thread is so popular.
 

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They may not be races, but they are stereotypes. And education and socioeconomic status have much to do with a race, doesn't it? The education system could be founded upon culture. In Singapore, education in our culture is of the highest priority. In Africa, the lowest. In Russia, education about the government is the highest priority. They have much to do with race. Africans economy has always been based on agriculture. China's economy is based on manufacturing. It has alot to do with race.

Uhh... no.

Culture does not equate race. :slashnew:

You can talk about culture, about history, about circumstance and available resources... lots of things that over time have determined the status of education, economics, and development as we see them today that would have to be taken into consideration before attributing any of that to 'race'. And your examples, while probably true to the contemporary world, have been much different in other time periods.

The fact that some peoples have some kinds of cultures and not others is a matter of historical coincidence, not racial determinism.

(On what basis do you claim Africa (such a vast place) has its culture as the lowest educational priority? If I allow myself a generalization about the entire continent, I'd say it's the exact opposite, that it is its deeply entrenched cultures and traditions that continually set african nations back with their tribal, genocidal military disputes and their superstitions that keep them from fixing their widespread health issues)
 

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THIS THREAD IS BULLSHIT!

BULLLLSHIT!

Oh, and it's a pity you gravitate towards INTJ's, they are usually found standing next to an INTP placed deathtrap, which you will envitably be drawn into with your magnetic would-be lover.
 

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1. Pick a group and name one of your 5 favorite books, bands, or TV shows.
2. What personality type of the opposite sex do you tend to gravitate towards whether its wise or not.
3. Give me an example of a situation or some random bit of ignorance that tends to fly out of people's mouth willy nilly, that really sets you off or, I guess, violates a principle of yours.

Thanks Alice, I think you set a very good example for other INTP girls everywhere.

1. I won't even try to list my favorite books. It would be too hard. TV shows: Battlestar Galactica (the remake), Lost, X-files (not counting that stupid new movie that came out a few years ago), Rome, and 30 Rock. Bands: Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Beruit (I just discovered them), Flogging Molly, and Arcade Fire.

2. ISTP guys. Definitely. They're just so much fun and have so much energy. Unfortunately, I've always just admired them from afar *sigh*.

3. I think I've actually ranted about this before somewhere here. When people (at first) appear to want to have some kind of intense discussion/debate, but you realize once you've leaped into the fray that what they really wanted was to make some kind of broad, philosophical claim just to sound wise/cool/smart/whatever, and they have no interest in backing it up or even examining its implications. This behavior is epidemic on college campuses. This situation usually ends one of two ways: either they burst into tears asking me why I think all their ideas are stupid (I don't think they're stupid. If I did, I wouldn't have thought they were worthy of discussion), or they get really angry, accusing me of thinking to much and why can't they just say what they want to say. Ugh.
 

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THIS THREAD IS BULLSHIT!

BULLLLSHIT!

Oh, and it's a pity you gravitate towards INTJ's, they are usually found standing next to an INTP placed deathtrap, which you will envitably be drawn into with your magnetic would-be lover.



For clarification's sake, I'm not partial to INTJs romantically, but I just got out of a 7 relationship with one and I gotta say, it was an ever living nightmare. I'm also very close friends with one INTJ or possibly 2 (the other friend hasn't tested). And though they seem to be hard to deal with sometimes, I enjoy annoying them and knocking them down off their high horses. No offence to any INTJs out there. Does anybody know or has it been discussed what an INTP/INTP relationship would be like?
 

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^I imagine it would be quite similar to your avatar. Ongoing slappy-fight :D
In a lovable way of course
 

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Oh jesus.

Thats odd.

Because I was just going to say exactly what lithorn just said, and on seeing it suspected I had posted it already, with brain rebooting causing me to forget doing so.

Ahem...

:o
 

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1. Pick a group and name one of your 5 favorite books, bands, or TV shows.

NIN, Noisia, Primus, Dream Theatre, That Black (actually, this is just one guy).

Seinfeld, Futurama, Red Dwarf, Firefly and the cricket.

Books, orchestral composers, etc would be harder.

2. What personality type of the opposite sex do you tend to gravitate towards whether its wise or not.

3. Give me an example of a situation or some random bit of ignorance that tends to fly out of people's mouth willy nilly, that really sets you off or, I guess, violates a principle of yours.

It's hard to say. But usually provable hypocrisy. Otherwise if someone says something seriously discriminating that is easily disprovable, that occasionally sets me off. The problem is this tends to come across as (intellectually) passive aggressive to those who don't know me that well.
 

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yay! i've finally found my niche. well, i'm not exactly certain of my status as an intp but i took the test multiple times and the type indicator insists i'm an intp so i'm going to accept this. Is it normal to be a loner and content with being alone for other intps or am i just weird?...mmm...idunno, the test also insists i'm intelligent or whatever, for some reason i doubt this, even though i graduated top of my class (this was why i don't "click" with many people, they see me as a walking, breathing contradiction when in actuality, i like to see things in all the diff hues possible...story of my life, *sigh*) :o
 

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yay! i've finally found my niche. well, i'm not exactly certain of my status as an intp but i took the test multiple times and the type indicator insists i'm an intp so i'm going to accept this. Is it normal to be a loner and content with being alone for other intps or am i just weird?...mmm...idunno, the test also insists i'm intelligent or whatever, for some reason i doubt this, even though i graduated top of my class (this was why i don't "click" with many people, they see me as a walking, breathing contradiction when in actuality, i like to see things in all the diff hues possible...story of my life, *sigh*) :o

Hi naiima191 - wouldn't you see yourself as at least relatively intelligent then?
 

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Is it normal to be a loner and content with being alone for other intps or am i just weird? :o

I dunno what the introvert/extrovert ratio is, but if it's anywhere near 50-50, that wouldn't be abnormal. An INTP's dominant function is Ti = introverted so do you think "weird"? The auxiliary function is Ne = intuitive extroverted. That is harder to pin down.
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yay! i've finally found my niche. well, i'm not exactly certain of my status as an intp but i took the test multiple times and the type indicator insists i'm an intp so i'm going to accept this. Is it normal to be a loner and content with being alone for other intps or am i just weird?...mmm...idunno, the test also insists i'm intelligent or whatever, for some reason i doubt this, even though i graduated top of my class (this was why i don't "click" with many people, they see me as a walking, breathing contradiction when in actuality, i like to see things in all the diff hues possible...story of my life, *sigh*) :o


Yes its normal to be a loner and content with being alone and at the same time worried it isn't normal. Do you ever feel like you've got two minds inside your head that are in a constant tug-of-war? For example, I can be enjoying a perfectly nice Saturday in my apartment all alone while my roommates are at work and relish the fact that no one's bothering me and within 5 minutes I'll be feeling sorry for myself that no one's called me today and I need to get out and start trying to be more active and meet new people even though I know I'll never do it.

Get used to feeling like you don't quite click with people; its just the way you're going to feel, even if you're surrounded by a pack of people who absolutely adore you. Also, get used to feeling like a contridiction and feeling the need to see things in their infinate possibilities. I had a panic attack the other day at Target trying to pick out a shower curtain and there were too many choices so I ended up making my roommate pick one for my bathroom. Thanks to my indecisiveness and a certain smartass I now have a Little Mermaid shower curtain.

Being an INTP is a good thing, even if it seems like there are a lot of draw backs. Embrace it but dont let it define you. Also, I bet you're alot more intelligent than you think.
 

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Hi naiima191 - wouldn't you see yourself as at least relatively intelligent then?

lol maybe a liiiiite. The thing is, I'm good with books, i love theory but more often than not, there's this feeling of inadequacy at other aspects of life. I seldom don't see the point in telling a freind how I percieve a relatively bad situation she has once more trudged right into, with eyes wide open, because it's as though she hears it but isn't listening...so i withdraw from my few close friends because it feels like i'm in constant repitition of a single point. relationships, especially romantic relationships, i like to steer clear of. aparently that's abnormal to the people around me....Perhaps i should stop rambling?!
 

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Yes its normal to be a loner and content with being alone and at the same time worried it isn't normal. Do you ever feel like you've got two minds inside your head that are in a constant tug-of-war? For example, I can be enjoying a perfectly nice Saturday in my apartment all alone while my roommates are at work and relish the fact that no one's bothering me and within 5 minutes I'll be feeling sorry for myself that no one's called me today and I need to get out and start trying to be more active and meet new people even though I know I'll never do it.

Get used to feeling like you don't quite click with people; its just the way you're going to feel, even if you're surrounded by a pack of people who absolutely adore you. Also, get used to feeling like a contridiction and feeling the need to see things in their infinate possibilities. I had a panic attack the other day at Target trying to pick out a shower curtain and there were too many choices so I ended up making my roommate pick one for my bathroom. Thanks to my indecisiveness and a certain smartass I now have a Little Mermaid shower curtain.

Being an INTP is a good thing, even if it seems like there are a lot of draw backs. Embrace it but dont let it define you. Also, I bet you're alot more intelligent than you think.

Wow! that's exactly how i feel. The tug-of-war, two-in-one feelings, two voices in constant chatter and debate about nearly everything and the INDECISIVENESS! that's central to alot of things i do, down to what kind of chocolate i want to buy (this happens numerous times daily). LOL at the 'Little mermaid shower curtain', talk about draw back. I read the profile for the INTP and it shocked me how nearly perfectly it described me. It's strange how insignificant personality types seem when your younger, a person's differences instantly categorize them as 'weird'. It's not at all that simplistic. The ignorance is a little unsettling. And now i'm obsessed with learning about other personality types and trying to deduce the personality types of friends. It's interesting. This forumn is awesome! It's great to not feel like your alone. :)

I was wondering about what genre of music other INTP's listen to as well, this forum has in a way peaked my interest and inspired intrigue. I like. a lot (yes, i'm aware i've said it's awesome :D)
 

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For clarification's sake, I'm not partial to INTJs romantically, but I just got out of a 7 relationship with one and I gotta say, it was an ever living nightmare. I'm also very close friends with one INTJ or possibly 2 (the other friend hasn't tested). And though they seem to be hard to deal with sometimes, I enjoy annoying them and knocking them down off their high horses. No offence to any INTJs out there. Does anybody know or has it been discussed what an INTP/INTP relationship would be like?

I notice that not too many people are discussing the point raised about how the INTP + XXXX relate. The other thing that I notice is that whenever this topic gets brought up on forums the response is that everyone's view is different. That is, you will get INTPs saying they love XXXX and then some other INTP says they hate that same type, etc. One possible reason is that maybe MBTI cannot answer everything. Another possible reason is that INTPs like to be a little chameleon when discussing how they relate to people. Maybe the INTPs just like conducting their own experiments like byrds of prey (in a good sense - for the good of science). Perhaps you would all like to discuss this further.
 
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