Have you had experience with psychedelics?

[DeadonDreaming]

Have you had experience with psychedelics?

'Recently it has become possible for man to
chemically alter his mental state and thus alter
his point of view. He than can restructure
his thinking and change his language so that his thoughts
bear more relation to his life and his problems,
therefore approaching them more sanely...'
[the 13th floor elevators]

Acid. Magic Mushrooms. DMT. Salvia. 2c-every-letter-of-the-alphabet. No matter which one you choose they are all psychedelics. Each of them has a slightly different effect on you; some can be a portal into hell, with each minute seeming like an hour, and each hour seeming like an eternity that will never end, while others can feel like the greatest pleasure, and each new moment reveals new things about life that you had never noticed before.

I'm going to try to detail some of my experiences with psychedelics. Since I've had over a dozen, maybe over two dozen trips, over a couple years, it's difficult for me to remember the details.

2ce: This was one of my worst drug experience I've ever had. After ingesting about 30 mg I felt nothing for about two hours. After about two hours I began seeing spinning multi-colored discs on the wall, and began to feel like I was being sucked into the couch. I began to feel a bit nervous, but tried to ignore it as I went out with friends to visit people I didn't know at CZ.

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Picture of the entrance to CZ

When I got into CZ, they were having a really wild party. There were a ton of girls stripping off their clothes, while they played this constant screeching noise on the stereo, full blast.

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CZ's stripper pole in their table. Imagine coming in here with all the lights dimmed, flashing strobe lights, strippers, and high pitched screeching coming from the speakers while you're tripping face.

Immediately I started to feel woozy. The same feeling of being sucked into the couch was not leaving me, and I really had to sit down. I sit down on a couch outside on the balcony (which was the worst idea ever. I kept thinking "This might not be real, and I can just fly off here and die"), and start staring at the graffiti on the wall. It's a bunch of Leftover Crack lyrics, a ska-crusty band.

At the point, the concrete is swirling into lava, people's faces are starting to look like monsters, and I have the rather uncomfortable feeling that I'm about to be attacked.

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Pretty much started looking exactly like this

I go with my friends to their friends room, and they're talking about girls, which brings in a rather nervous vibe to the room. Theres a naked guy wandering around outside the room, which isn't so weird for this place, but at the time I was getting some whacky vibes from him.

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I swear to god it was this guy. Don't click if you don't want to see nakedness!

I'm kicking back and trying to "be cool", but it is just NOT happening. I start getting really bad vibes coming out of people, which start choking me. I dash out of the room, not knowing CZ very well at the time, and get lost in a dark, multi-colored, hell hole.

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Picture of how CZ looks when its dark. You definitely need a guy like this to help lead you out.

My friends calm me down, and take me back to Cloyne. I'm full on tripping face by now, and have no idea what is happening. I go in through the downstairs entrance, and pretty much get locked in the bathroom area

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Yes, this bathroom. Yes it was scary.

Eventually I wander back upstairs after someone leads me to "safety".However, at the time I didn't know that Cloyne was covered in acid paintings; paintings which mean nothing to you when you're sober, but when you're on acid they practically talk to you. Here are some examples:

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Great. Now the walls are screaming at me!

I get stuck looking at the paintings on the wall, and I am absolutely horrified. There are some pretty graphic paintings on the wall, made by drunk, depressed people who pour out their soul on it. Others are made by people tripping just as hard as I am, who write incredible poetry that suck me into them.

I keep reading the really depressing drunk stuff, like some of the things you see above, over and over again. I can't get it out of my mind! I run outside, where time dilation starts to get really bad; I felt like I wandered for hours, when really it was probably only 20 minutes maximum. The whole of the backyard becomes a giant forest, and as I walk down the path it stretches before me; for every step I take it grows that much.

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Yep, I thought this was a forest.

At this point a helicopter flies over the building, shining its light. Its looking for me, just for the crime of being a horrible person, for not helping people more in my life. All those writings on the wall were talking directly to me, begging me to help them, and I did nothing!

Eventually my friend let me back in, and I tried desperately to fall asleep on his couch. I could hear gunshots, screaming, helicopters outside. Footsteps running down the street, people fighting and scuffling. The walls were melting, and the curtains were like water colors flowing down the wall. I wandered outside, desperate for fresh air, but got lost. Every room was a portal to a new dimension, and if I didn't go in and out of the rooms the exact way I came I'd never come back!

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The portals

Eventually my friends found me and brought me back to their room again. But since we didn't go through the correct sequence of doors I had gone through, I knew I wasn't in the right room. These weren't my friends! These were fakes! They were alien scientists, experimenting on me with a new super drug to see how humans react when they're exposed to just how insignificant and petty they are! Look at him squirm on the couch! Yes doctor, I'll be right back, going to report back to base about this new development. We'll break this human soon enough, and figure out his deepest darkest secrets!

I lay on the couch while trying to close my eyes to stop the hallucinations. The close eye visuals were even more vivid; I began feeling like I was transforming into Buddha, Jesus, the Dalai Lama, then turning into nothingness. I had to save mankind by becoming a better person! Only I could do it! But it was too much weight, and my small petty soul was overcome with the burden. I began feeling incredibly sick and frightened.

Then thankfully, one of my friends gave me the secret to stopping any bad trip: a couple pills of Xanax. I took them thankfully, gulped them down. As they began to work I had a better sense of balance. Now was my chance to escape these mad scientists!

I headed out of Cloyne, through campus. The buildings were all on fire, like a Greek hell, with each of the buildings holding an infinite reserve of books of forbidden knowledge.

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Imagine this on fire, with zombies everywhere

Eventually I made it halfway through campus, when the helicopter I had saw earlier found me! A sickly green light shined down on me and began talking in a language I didn't understand! All the leaves blew away as the blades of the helicopter scattered them, and I desperately crouched on the ground with my hands over my head, waiting for it to go away. Thankfully it did after yelling at me for a couple minutes.

I tried checking my phone, but as I looked at it it began to melt in my hand, while the time began running backwards. Damn it, looks like I'm in a bit of a pickle here, phone melted.

The homeless people on the street looked like zombies, and I quickly realized I had stepped into a zombie apocalypse. I quickly rushed home (I didn't yet live at Cloyne) on the other side of campus, careful to not let the zombies notice I was human. I found a stick and carried it with me for protection, then I went into the laundry room, stole someone's clothes (for "armor"), and hunkered down at my window guarding for zombies. After a while, the zombies ceased appearing as much; they must be hiding from the sun that is soon to rise, time to return the armor I found.

As I passed by a group of asian girls leaving for wherever, I started to wonder what exactly was real and what wasn't. If these girls weren't real, I could rip off my clothes and have the greatest imaginary orgy ever, with no consequences. If they were real, I'd be hauled off to jail. THANKFULLY, I took it slow. I asked one of them if I could use their computer, and they let me. I used it to get on Facebook, talk to one of my friends I had left at Cloyne, who asked me "Where the hell did you go?!", and I preceded to ramble at them incoherently about helicopters and zombies. I wandered back, thankfully without going for the greatest (not imaginary) orgy ever, and had a cigarette with my friends on the steps. An eventful night indeed.

I'll post up my experiences, which are a lot better, with other psychedelics later. How about you guys? Do you have any experience you would like to share?
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[Dr. Freeman]

None to speak of.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

Also, I was lucky enough to meet the man who invented ecstasy and the whole host of 2cs. His name is Alexander Shulgin, and I had a great talk with his wife about an experience I had on 2c-b. If you're looking for the bible of psychedelics, read "PiHKAL: A Chemical Love Story" by him and his wife. I just had to throw this in there, as a fanboy

 

[Sensi Star]

I was just about to create a thread asking this too! I've done mushrooms, LSD, and salvia. By the way, Salvia is a dissociative (people always mislabel it, my pet peeve).

LSD is more "fun" (you have some control over the trip), and shrooms are more challenging (it does to you what it wants). 2c-x are known to have less ego-loss because of the dopamine activity.

In fact, I would argue that Tryptamines (shrooms, DMT) produce the purest state of psychedelia, while Phenethylamines offer you a more "recreational" preview without getting too deep (again dopamine activity acts as a slight ego-shield). Both can be equally interesting.

Terence Mckenna does a great job at portraying the experience linguistically (something that's VERY difficult to do; the reason why people who haven't had the experience have misconceptions about what it's like).

 

[DeadonDreaming]

I was just about to create a thread asking this too! I've done mushrooms, LSD, and salvia. By the way, Salvia is a dissociative (people always mislabel it, my pet peeve).

LSD is more "fun" (you have some control over the trip), and shrooms are more challenging (it does to you what it wants). 2c-x is known to have less ego-loss because of the dopamine activity.

2c-E doesn't have the same activity as the other ones. "The euphoriant effect shared by several other psychedelic phenethylamines seems only to have been reported relatively rarely by users of 2C-E; the compound has been described as "difficult" by its users, including its inventor Shulgin:"

I've found the dopamine activity of say, 2c-B or 2c-I is a great shield against the sometimes horrific trips you can have. Nice to know there are others familiar with these compounds though

 

[DeadonDreaming]

Continuation of Previous Post
'Men must attempt to develop
in themselves and their children
liberation from the sense of self
...men must be free from
boundaries, patterns and
consistencies in order to be free
to think, feel and create in new ways'

[Luke Rhinehart, 'The Diceman' - 1971]

2cb: I've had a number of 2cb experiences, which have had some interesting consequences. I've dashed through imaginary hunting grounds with friends while the walls slowly collapsed on us, separating us from the safety of the nest we built to hide ourselves from a society that doesn't understand psychedelics. I've explored the ruins of ghost infested burnt down homes hidden in the tree groves that populate Cal. Ive watched glittering fractals dance on the walls, been visited by the shadow person described in the book PiHKAL, and watched as tentacles grew out of trees to take over my backyard while my friends became the most interesting looking cell shaded comic book characters ever. It's all been fairly pleasant, but I guess I'll describe when I became an arctic explorer and before that, when I had an I-MAX experience.

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. [laughs] Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate..."
-Blade Runner

I had been planning to take 2cb with some friends for a while, but had been putting it off as its not something I do lightly. I have to be in the right frame of mind, right conditions, right everything. But one day, I felt like the stars aligned and called them up. We dropped it in the kitchen, nervously pacing around as the drug soaked into our blood stream.

The first sensation that hits your body isn't too unlike amphetamine. Your body starts humming, lightning shooting up and down your spine, running down your legs and tensing your calves, your teeth start grinding, and the entire world takes on the bright rosy hue that only an upper can give you, a feeling like you could scale Mt. Everest if only you had the inclination. Bzzzzzzzz... you vibrate pleasurably, waves of electricity pulsating through your body.

“His eyes were eggs of unstable crystal, vibrating with a frequency whose name was rain and the sound of trains, suddenly sprouting a humming forest of hair-fine glass spines.”

“His teeth sang in their individual sockets like tuning forks, each one pitch-perfect and clear as ethanol.”

- William Gibson, Neuromancer

Eventually the first waves hit you. The ground might start turning into lava, slowly flowing to and away from you. You might start seeing spinning fractals on the wall, multicolored discs turning and coming into themselves. The most frequent thing you'll see is something very similar to this, especially in stucco walls...

Little M.C. Escher lizards, spinning around, rotating, crawling on one another. They're quite friendly.

We began walking around, smiling oddly at each other. One of my friends went into her room, and I sat on her bed looking oddly at things on the wall. "Hey, come look at this!" she said, and I began looking at a poster that begin warping in on itself, both physically and in it's meaning. "Hahaha, oh man, this is a bit much! I know what to do!". She put on a tiara and sunglasses, "If I dress this weird, no one will notice that I'm tripping! They'll be too distracted by how weird I look!". I guess it didn't occur to her that they might notice she is tripping precisely because she is dressed so weird, but I giggled and nodded approvingly.

We went into my male friends room, the room in which I'd later experience my I-MAX movie experience. The room had a persian carpet on the floor and one pinned to the wall. The lights around the room are made to put beautiful colors all over the wall. The tripping began to get more and more intense, as we began talking about life and watching the swirling colors around the room. We thought we had spent 6 hours in there talking, but we had only spent 2. My female friend left, and another male friend came in, one who at the time took a lot of pleasure in messing with people.

"So, would you bake a cake for (your female friend?" he said. I replied it'd be nice, but I don't see a reason to. "Even if you wanted to sleep with her?" he retorted. The entire conversation went like this, with him talking about human motivations, specifically mine and his, and how he would like to sleep with her. I politely nodded the entire time; I'd of gotten used to his mind games at the time. He had been in arguments with this girl before; he put forth at council that we should have a fountain that dispensed vodka, and a place to store our vomit somewhere else. She angrily argued against his ideas. They seemed to have had an antagonistic relationship at this point, so I was confused where he was going with this, but I mostly took the things he said with a blank mind.

He left, and my female friend returned. We went downstairs together, the tripping pod supporting each other.

As I went downstairs one of my old friends had come back from riding up the entire California coast with his bike, "I couldn't find anyone to give me a ride bro, everyone says 'No Bikes', so I just rode all the way up here from So. Cal". I nodded sadly; I hate riding bikes, especially for long distances. The furthest I had ever rode was for 8 hours straight all the way to the beach from Riverside, and I could imagine how hellish his ride was. "Yeah man, this damn thing broke, can you help me fix it? I just dropped a nut, can you find it?" I nodded, then started looking through the flowing lava for the nut he had dropped. As I concentrated the lava stopped flowing, and I was able to see somewhat clearly. Eventually he found his nut, and I nervously held his bike as he explained how he was fixing it. I had no idea what he was talking about, and just got more confused as he talked. 'Sorry dude, I'm not in the right condition to be fixing any bike', I said. "Are you stoned bro?", he asked. 'Something like that...' I replied. For some reason I've always tried to hide when I'm tripping, and I find most people are like that as well.

I walked to the kitchen, as the tiles began to take on an oily sheen that looked quite nice. "Hey! We have a keg!" yelled my friend. Oh boy a keg, that would go nicely. I spent what felt like a half a day looking for it, wandering out into the cold backyard, where I found a homeless looking person laying on the ground. Sadly no keg, and I began to get an uneasy feeling from looking for something and not finding it, almost like being incomplete. I didn't like it, so I decided to take some Xanax.

I wandered to where I kept a stash of Xanax, or "trap doors" as I liked to call them, and as I was walking back I noticed one of the friends I took the 2cb with coming out of his room. "Dude, you got to check this out" he said. I walked into his room, where over the course of a year we had been putting as many speakers and high powered amplifiers as we could into there. At the time we were just starting out, but the amount of sound generated shook the entire floor. He started playing his keyboard, and I laid down on the ground as the bass shook my organs. The Xanax began taking effect, and I had the most pleasant, psychedelic I-MAX experience as he played a synthesizer while his home made light machine made random colors appears on the ceiling. It was like flying over an arctic tundra. Scratch that, at some point I was flying over an arctic tundra!

I'll post about becoming an arctic explorer later... I want to hear some other people's experiences!
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[Absurdity]

Did mushrooms once. Pretty incredible experience. Unlike most people I had talked to beforehand, though, I didn't experience the universal oneness with nature and all that hippy shit. I was annoyed that I existed, that anything in the universe existed. I was convinced it was all a big mistake and wanted everything to vanish. I wanted all living things to turn to stone and to live in a world of pure steel and glass. This was not a bad trip at all either - I remember that I couldn't even imagine what a bad trip would be like while I was on them. I was also not suicidal at all. I understood death, and looked forward to it in the future, but would go on living for now. My line of reasoning was that I should continue to exist simply for the lulz.

 

[Etheri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1-2d6wxudE

I've never gone past weed, but I do genuinely love this genre of music, at it's own proper time and in it's own right. It's an associated genre for a reason

(Personal fan of 'Nothing lasts but nothing is lost')

 

[Architect]

I've always had zero interest with messing with my brain. I don't drink alcohol or caffeine either anymore and don't smoke. Reading drug stories reinforces my approach.

 

[snafupants]

I've always had zero interest with messing with my brain. I don't drink alcohol or caffeine either anymore and don't smoke. Reading drug stories reinforces my approach.

@Architect

Read different stories.

As an aside, I'm not sure I know any interesting people who totally abstain from all drugs. Most pledges of abstinence in this respect are typically motivated by pride, ignorance, or fear. For this reason, religiously abstemious folk tend to be pretty stultifying and righteous.

I suppose some bad experiences could turn you off, but I'm not inclined to make this deduction based on what I've seen. Anyway, the bad experience card could be fear or ignorance.

 

[7even]

SWIM thinks shrooms are pretty magical.

 

[Architect]

As an aside, I'm not sure I know any interesting people who totally abstain from all drugs. Most pledges of abstinence in this respect are typically motivated by pride, ignorance, or fear. For this reason, religiously abstemious folk tend to be pretty stultifying and righteous.

I suppose some bad experiences could turn you off, but I'm not inclined to make this deduction based on what I've seen. Anyway, the bad experience card could be fear or ignorance. [/FONT]

Or when you have a mind as advanced as mine you have no need or desire for drugs

 

[snafupants]

Or when you have a mind as advanced as mine you have no need or desire for drugs

I'm personally convinced you're an INTJ.

Anyway, how would you know anything about it?

Your knowledge is admittedly second hand.

 

[Architect]

I'm personally convinced you're an INTJ.

Yes I agree my online presence would lead one to believe that.

Anyway, how would you know anything about it?

Because my brain is so advanced, I don't need to actually take the drugs.

 

[snafupants]

Yes I agree my online presence would lead one to believe that.

Because my brain is so advanced, I don't need to actually take the drugs.

@Architect

There's no way you can legitimately claim to dismiss or adjudicate these issues without first-hand experience. It's all arrogation and it's all too typical of older folk.

It seems like you're predicating your rejection of all drugs on feared personal outcomes and internet anecdotes. I mean, I hope you can understand my skepticism - why should I listen to someone so inexperienced yet paradoxically judgmental?

 

[Architect]

There's no way you can legitimately claim to dismiss or adjudicate these issues without first-hand experience. It's all arrogation and it's all too typical of older folk.

I don't see what age has to do with it, I felt no different when I was younger. My INTP son is even stronger with this (and no I never talked about it with him). He's the one who got me to stop having the occasional (like 3 times a year) beer. He would get on me for having "a beer habit". I think he didn't like me with a buzz on.

It seems like you're predicating your rejection of all drugs on feared personal outcomes and internet anecdotes. I mean, I hope you can understand my skepticism - why should I listen to someone so inexperienced yet paradoxically judgmental?

I don't know what you're arguing. Spelled out, I said I don't need drugs, and I'm not interested in even the possibility of altering my brain artificially. If you want to take the chance to rot your brain, go ahead, but I'm not trying to convince you or anybody of anything. You seem to be offended that I'm not interested in drugs . The only comment about that I could make is that practitioners of drugs, religion, or other nefarious activities often aren't happy unless you do it too.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

This thread is really disappointing me. No one else is posting experiences.

 

[snafupants]

I don't see what age has to do with it, I felt no different when I was younger. My INTP son is even stronger with this (and no I never talked about it with him). He's the one who got me to stop having the occasional (like 3 times a year) beer. He would get on me for having "a beer habit". I think he didn't like me with a buzz on.



I don't know what you're arguing. Spelled out, I said I don't need drugs, and I'm not interested in even the possibility of altering my brain artificially. If you want to take the chance to rot your brain, go ahead, but I'm not trying to convince you or anybody of anything. You seem to be offended that I'm not interested in drugs . The only comment about that I could make is that practitioners of drugs, religion, or other nefarious activities often aren't happy unless you do it too.

It's not that I'm offended you forgo drugs. Good for you: live above the influence. I'm more incredulous and amused that someone can claim to understand and dismiss an unknown and personally uncharted phenomena. The two reasons you ostensibly gave - the arrogation of some superior intellect and wanting to sidestep possible somatic damage - are based on anecdotal information and conjecture. I call bluff. Just as I wouldn't accept someone's interpretation of Descartes or Nietzsche as gospel, or valid, if they didn't do the reading and put in the time, I'm not going to credit someone who doesn't have experience with what s/he impugns.

 

[Architect]

It's not that I'm offended you forgo drugs. Good for you: live above the influence. I'm more incredulous and amused that someone can claim to understand and dismiss an unknown and personally unchartered phenomena. The two reasons you ostensibly gave - the arrogation of some superior intellect and wanting to sidestep possible somatic damage - are based on anecdotal information and conjecture.

You're right, forgive me. I'll promptly go out and buy some psychedelics (never mind that I have no idea how to do it, and as a well off member of the community with a family would certainly not want to get caught) so I can be engage in non arrogated decision making in regards to drugs. Or I can keep my opinion to myself, in the fear that I would get my bluff called because I haven't tried them all to be sure that they aren't for me.

I'm dropping it here, I don't get the vigor with which you are pursuing this. It's like a guy says "I don't watch sports, because I think I'd be bored" and getting hairy on him because he thinks so. So the fuck what? If he doesn't think he'll like sports, bully for him.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

Speaking about his youthful experiments with psychedelics, Jobs said, "Doing LSD was one of the two or three most important things I have done in my life." He was hardly alone among computer scientists in his appreciation of hallucinogenics and their capacity to liberate human thought from the prison of the mind. Jobs even let drop that Microsoft's Bill Gates would "be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once." (http://www.thefix.com/content/steve-jobs-think-different-and-lsd-9143)

My personal belief is that you aren't really an educated person until you have tried psychedelics. I can't fully explain to you why until you've tried them, so I won't bother except to say they help you to fully examine how you think more objectively. In some cultures, using psychedelics is a right of passage; in other words, you aren't an adult until you ingest them.

 

[snafupants]

You're right, forgive me. I'll promptly go out and buy some psychedelics (never mind that I have no idea how to do it, and as a well off member of the community with a family would certainly not want to get caught) so I can be engage in non arrogated decision making in regards to drugs. Or I can keep my opinion to myself, in the fear that I would get my bluff called because I haven't tried them all to be sure that they aren't for me.

I'm dropping it here, I don't get the vigor with which you are pursuing this. It's like a guy says "I don't watch sports, because I think I'd be bored" and getting hairy on him because he thinks so. So the fuck what? If he doesn't think he'll like sports, bully for him.

Or you could avoid dogmatic and ultimately ignorant statements.

Actually the first plan doesn't sound too bad.

 

[kora]

I've never tried psychedelics but I plan to at some point. I plan to try out every drug at least once, except maybe heroin because apparently it's immediately addictive, but we'll see. Not going to lie, I'm pretty frightened of the idea of a bad trip on something like that though. I've had one or two bad trips on weed in the past when i first started trying it and I imagine these would be much worse...Are any psychedelics less bad trip inducing?

 

[7even]

I've never tried psychedelics but I plan to at some point. I plan to try out every drug at least once, except maybe heroin because apparently it's immediately addictive, but we'll see. Not going to lie, I'm pretty frightened of the idea of a bad trip on something like that though. I've had one or two bad trips on weed in the past when i first started trying it and I imagine these would be much worse...Are any psychedelics less bad trip inducing?

Try truffles, they're legal in Dam, and pretty chilled.
15g gives you a strong trip (way less intense than shrooms though), and there's still a chance you have a bad trip. If you're sorta nervous about the whole idea of getting a bad trip, 7.5g of truffles gives you a nice mellow psychedelic buzz, don't think that can ever go wrong. Just lower your dose basically. (Can actually order them to France )

Anyway, it's hard to even judge, because these drugs are damn subjective. SWIM tried shrooms before trying truffles, had a fucking great trip on shrooms, but actually had a bad trip on truffles. SWIM gets over it as soon as the trip is done though.


And fuck, Deadon, you have a pretty good recollection of your trips; SWIM finds it real difficult to explain his trips.

 

[kora]

Try truffles, they're legal in Dam, and pretty chilled.
15g gives you a strong trip (way less intense than shrooms though), and there's still a chance you have a bad trip. If you're sorta nervous about the whole idea of getting a bad trip, 7.5g of truffles gives you a nice mellow psychedelic buzz, don't think that can ever go wrong. Just lower your dose basically. (Can actually order them to France )

Anyway, it's hard to even judge, because these drugs are damn subjective. SWIM tried shrooms before trying truffles, had a fucking great trip on shrooms, but actually had a bad trip on truffles. SWIM gets over it as soon as the trip is done though.


And fuck, Deadon, you have a pretty good recollection of your trips; SWIM finds it real difficult to explain his trips.

Hmmm... Thanks for info, I suppose it depends on the atmosphere/mood you're in at the time. Do you want to move much when you're tripping on it? Or is it best to just chill somewhere out of the way in comfort?

 

[DeadonDreaming]

I've never tried psychedelics but I plan to at some point. I plan to try out every drug at least once, except maybe heroin because apparently it's immediately addictive, but we'll see. Not going to lie, I'm pretty frightened of the idea of a bad trip on something like that though. I've had one or two bad trips on weed in the past when i first started trying it and I imagine these would be much worse...Are any psychedelics less bad trip inducing?

My first story is about my worst trip. I've had a couple bad 2C-B trips, but I fixed them by going to my room and listening to music for a couple minutes, and they were not even close to as bad as my 2C-E trip.

2C-B and 2C-I are considerably easier to take then 2C-E, which is probably one of the most frightening psychedelics you can take.

"Many have reported that the general effects of 2C-E are similar to those of the other psychedelic phenethylamines, but far more intense. Vivid visuals similar to those experienced while under the influence of LSD are common, and many reports indicate that the effects of this particular chemical may be overly intense for those not well experienced with psychedelics.[2]"
"2C-E's body load is a highly unusual one. Several users have described it, roughly, as a "profound feeling of general discomfort"."
"The euphoriant effect shared by several other psychedelic phenethylamines seems only to have been reported relatively rarely by users of 2C-E; the compound has been described as "difficult" by its users, including its inventor Shulgin:"
"2C-E also seems to make some users more likely to confront personal issues than LSD, and comparisons are often made between the two."

As was posted about, most of the 2C-xs have a stimulating effect that makes the trip MUCH more pleasant than say mushrooms or acid. I recommend having some Xanax around, in case you start having a bad trip; it's an anti-anxiety and anti-panic attack drug that really helps you escape bad trips. 2cs might not be as available in Europe as they are in the Bay Area of California, but I read they can be found in Amsterdam. If you can find them, I highly recommend 2C-B or 2C-I for your first trip. Avoid 2-C-T-7, which can cause death at even low doses. I also believe you should avoid 2C-E, as I haven't talked to anyone that has had a good trip on it. I've introduced maybe about a half dozen people to 2C-B, and they've all had good trips on it.

Also, food for though, I actually feel really uncomfortable after I smoke weed. I feel exactly like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VYkYzsF-tM

I like how he talks about people with plugs :P Thats me. I have a huge chunk of my ear missing, what the hell is wrong with me?!

And fuck, Deadon, you have a pretty good recollection of your trips; SWIM finds it real difficult to explain his trips.

Thanks I had to edit the second story, because I forgot to include the largest part of our trip, which was sitting around talking for most of the night. I was reading the story wondering "There is a huge time gap here", then it hit me I forgot a part. I'll post an experience about 2C-I, then I guess thats enough information for people to decide if they want to do it. Also kind of waiting for other people to post, I'm always interested in other people's experiences. I feel kind of weird.

 

[7even]

Hmmm... Thanks for info, I suppose it depends on the atmosphere/mood you're in at the time. Do you want to move much when you're tripping on it? Or is it best to just chill somewhere out of the way in comfort?

Truffles?
SWIM recommends staying indoors, or going to a park (away from the public); especially for your first time, but just not too close to the Seine - although SWIM thinks water has a very peculiar quality to it when you're tripping. On 7.5g of truffles SWIM is feeling full of energy and feels so damn sound, real good vibes, proper smiley () - SWIM would feel very comfortable and confident outside in public on a low dosage, and could talk to just about anyone! However, on regular doses of psychedelics SWIM would keep away from the public, and chilling with friends indoors is pretty sick, although at different waves of the trip, the psychedelics make him really REALLY want to go outside to somewhere with loud music.

Thanks I had to edit the second story, because I forgot to include the largest part of our trip, which was sitting around talking for most of the night. I was reading the story wondering "There is a huge time gap here", then it hit me I forgot a part. I'll post an experience about 2C-I, then I guess thats enough information for people to decide if they want to do it. Also kind of waiting for other people to post, I'm always interested in other people's experiences. I feel kind of weird.

Ha, psychedelic group talks. Classic. Timeless. So many different characters in the room. - Ever get hostile with people tripping? SWIM hates taking any shit from anyone tripping, and is real upfront and serious if any line is crossed. Although, in just a moment's notice, he can switch his state of mind.
E.G.
"SWIM is going to fucking kill you.."
*2 seconds later*
"Shit, SWIM loves you man"

 

[DeadonDreaming]

Ha, psychedelic group talks. Classic. Timeless. So many different characters in the room. - Ever get hostile with people tripping? SWIM hates taking any shit from anyone tripping, and is real upfront and serious if any line is crossed. Although, in just a moment's notice, he can switch his state of mind.
E.G.
"SWIM is going to fucking kill you.."
*2 seconds later*
"Shit, SWIM loves you man"

Yes. An ex-girlfriend and I both did 2C-B and were laying in bed, tripping face while listening to the Beatles. Instead of having passionate tripping sex, we argued all night above government subsidies and the nature of big cities. We were probably up until 6 A.M. arguing. We were both practically screaming "You're so wrong!"

Also getting really snappy with people who do things that make my trip less pleasant. Someone was wearing a scarf that made a horrible scratching noise, and I was like "Argh! I hate your fucking scarf! I can hear it rubbing against your body from across the room!". They probably thought I was crazy.

 

[7even]

I wonder if we would have similar trips (or states of mind) all-in-all while on the same psychedelics; seeing as we're both INTP. How many people have you been in a room at once with tripping, and were you conscious of how very distinctively different every individual was (in demeanor, perhaps)?
Shit, SWIM would be so psyched to trip with an INTP.

Also, SWIM had an unusual fascination with water (from the fucking kitchen sink) tripping, they definitely thought SWIM was crazy.

Also getting really snappy with people who do things that make my trip less pleasant. Someone was wearing a scarf that made a horrible scratching noise, and I was like "Argh! I hate your fucking scarf! I can hear it rubbing against your body from across the room!". They probably thought I was crazy.

Hahah, the fucking bastard!

 

[DeadonDreaming]

I wonder if we would have similar trips (or states of mind) all-in-all while on the same psychedelics; seeing as we're both INTP. How many people have you been in a room at once with tripping, and were you conscious of how very distinctively different every individual was (in demeanor, perhaps)?

I've tripped with two non-INTPs, and they didn't trip as hard as I did. I tripped with what I guess was an ENTP, and she had pretty much the same experience as I did; seeing people that weren't there, lava floor, etc. She said she saw a lady in a cage on the ceiling of my room, and I saw a black figure sitting on the couch that gave me the distinct feeling of the "other", of being a person. I've given psychedelics to definite INTPs, but didn't ask them how their trip was, and didn't do it with them because I wasn't feeling it. They said they saw fractals and in general had really vivid hallucinations, but didn't go into much detail. I gave it to what I guess is an INTJ, and he didn't trip at all.

I saw a confirmed ISTJ take an incredible amount of 2C-B, 60mg, his first time and barely felt anything. I've taken 50mg after having done it multiple times in the two weeks up to that, and it was pretty intense. Wikipedia defines any amount > 31mg as "Extremely Intense", so 60mg should put you in a mental hospital.

I don't think Js trip very much, they're too busy judging to perceive.

 

[7even]

I've tripped with two non-INTPs, and they didn't trip as hard as I did. I tripped with what I guess was an ENTP, and she had pretty much the same experience as I did; seeing people that weren't there, lava floor, etc. I've given psychedelics to definite INTPs, but didn't ask them how their trip was, and didn't do it with them because I wasn't feeling it. They said they saw fractals and in general had really vivid hallucinations, but didn't go into much detail. I gave it to what I guess is an INTJ, and he didn't trip at all.

I saw a confirmed ISTJ take an incredible amount of 2C-B, 60mg, his first time and barely felt anything. I've taken 50mg after having done it multiple times in the two weeks up to that, and it was pretty intense. Wikipedia defines any amount > 31mg as "Extremely Intense", so 60mg should put you in a mental hospital.

I don't think Js trip very much, they're too busy judging to perceive.

Right. SWIM (might as well ) thinks psychedelics have an excellent post effect and improved his psychological welfare once the trip was over. SWIM decided on using every couple of months, for personal well-being. A sort of spiritual, mind cleansing experience that sheds some unexplained intuitive light... What do you think?

 

[DeadonDreaming]

Right. SWIM (might as well ) thinks psychedelics have an excellent post effect and improved his psychological welfare once the trip was over. SWIM decided on using every couple of months, for personal well-being. A sort of spiritual, mind cleansing experience that sheds some unexplained intuitive light... What do you think?

I've used them to do better in class, but I'm too scared to use them for self examination. I only use them when I feel excellent about everything. I think they can give insight to yourself, but it can be really frightening. I started volunteering after my first 2C-E trip, that I wrote about above, and have got a much better understanding of music after some 2C-B trips. I've also had some error-fraught self reflection; after one trip, I decided I wasn't doing enough with my life, and overloaded myself with things to do. I think now I should just do a couple things, but do them really well, instead of trying to do everything then burning myself out.

Lifes one lesson after the other, I suppose. I do feel a lot better afterwards, and really like having flashbacks (though I'm scared of having one when driving). Sometimes, a couple days after a trip, I'll have a flashback where people start having tracer blurs while they move and I feel kind of like I'm being pushed back as I walk.

I sometimes like messing with people who are sober when I have another friend is tripping. We'll both go into our little world, "Oh my god, the dinosaur over there looks so cool, do you see it?!" "Yeah, its looking at you crazily". "Don't step in that lava puddle, you'll die. We'll all die. ESPECIALLY YOU". Or when you have those little weird epiphanies, and you say them outloud and only you and the other person understands "We've stepped into another dimension, and this is the dimension that we were meant to go to. Only now do we now know what we were meant to do tonight." as we enter the kitchen. Hunter S. Thompson does this a lot in Fear and Loathing, and its half in joke, half real on my part. If I'm tripping really hard though, I'm not joking, and I don't care that you don't see tentacles growing out of the trees or believe we're arctic explorers on a mission to expand consciousness, because I do!

Raoul Duke: Look, there's two women fucking a polar bear!
Dr. Gonzo: Don't tell me these things. Not now man.



Hitchhiker: Hot damn. I never rode in a convertible before.
Raoul Duke: Is that right? Well... I guess you're about ready, then, aren't you?
Dr. Gonzo: We're your friends. We're not like the others, man, really.
Raoul Duke: No more of that talk or I'll put the fucking leeches on you, understand?
Dr. Gonzo: Heh heh heh...
Raoul Duke: [as the Hitchhiker stares at them nervously] Get in.
Raoul Duke: How long could we maintain? I wondered. How long until one of us starts raving and jabbering at this boy? What will he think then? This same lonely desert was the last known home of the Manson family; will he make that grim connection when my attorney starts screaming about bats and huge manta rays coming down on the car? If so, well, we'll just have to cut his head off and bury him somewhere, 'cause it goes without saying that we can't turn him loose. He'd report us at once to some kind of outback Nazi law enforcement agency and they'll run us down like dogs. Jesus, did I say that? Or just think it? Was I talking? Did they hear me?

 

[Affinity]

Good report. I have stories but I doubt for anyone but myself they would be of any interest. Mostly self-reflection, self-projection, and spiritualism. Less straight tripping balls.

 

[Panopticon]

I had two big bottles of san pedro sludge I was supposed to drink tonight. I was FINALLY gonna try a real dose of Mescaline but........I gave it away to a friend.

Seems questionable now, but that cactus tea didnt look appealing to me at all, and this said friend had never done any psychedelics before. I was supposed to split two bottles with him but he wanted to include other heads so I generously gave that dude my friday night.

I have done Ayahuasca,LSD, shrooms, cacti, and LSA seeds. Never fucked with any of the research chemicals(and dont intend to)

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Shrooms was fun. Even the parts of the trip that terrified me were hilarious as hell.

I remember time not really working like I expected. I'd be doing something and it'd feel like I'd spent hours but then I'd check a clock and it'd turn out to be only two minutes since the last time I'd checked it.

The visuals weren't as intense as I'd have expected. It was mostly a lot of waviness in my peripherals while every now and then whatever I was looking at would start to morph like rubber almost as if my eyes just weren't focusing on it but there was no way for me to consciously make my eyes focus. I did get a lot of "hallucinations" though, I guess. It wasn't so much that I'd see them, but if I saw something my mind would automatically go like "Hey, that looks like an eye." so then I'd see an eye there but I'd know that it was just in my head and I knew that my closet wasn't turning into a giant face that planned on eating me, it only looked like it.

Only one part of the night really freaked me out. I was sitting at my computer with all the other lights in my room off and by the dim light of the screen I saw (or thought I saw) a spider crawling along the wall. It looked really real and vivid and lifelike but it was acting incredibly strange. It was skittering up and down the wall and it's legs seemed to be in perpetual motion and not really moving in time with each other but I fucking hate spiders so I grabbed a tissue (only one, which is odd as I usually require many more to muster up the courage to smash a spider of any size, much less this size) and I smashed it. But since I knew I was on shrooms I really didn't know if the spider was really there so I wanted to check and I opened it up slightly to see if there was a spider there and as it opened I saw a small dark shadow move inside the tissue but at that time the light from my computer screen shifted and my finger moved slightly so it could have just been that but it still scared the shit out of me so I squeezed the tissue again and threw it in the trash and never checked it again.

This was pretty much the first 2 to 2-1/2 hours of the trip - walking around, sitting down, getting back up, trying to find something to do, forgetting what I was doing, going to the kitchen to get a cup of water, getting a cup but forgetting the water, going to the bathroom to get the water, forget the cup of water where i left it, etc. It was kind of a hyperactive, ADD experience.

After that, though, I hit this really sedated, lower-energy phase where I kept thinking that reality was kind of annoying. I didn't want to wake up the next morning and have to deal with all the people I knew. I don't really know how to fully explain it. At that moment, there was just me and absolutely no one else existed. It felt like I would have to recreate my friends and everyone else I knew before I could properly deal with them again and creating a person seemed like a lot of work so I wasn't to enthused to do it for one person, much less all of them.

The world outside my room kind of melted away and I couldn't really grasp the concept that I would have to go enter it again eventually. I was kind of tired of the trip by this point, but I still wanted things to stay exactly the way they were at that moment. I wanted time to freeze more than it already had for me.

When a couple of my friends took them at a later date, they said that they felt like all their connections to other people just vanished. I didn't get that feeling. In fact, I felt incredibly connected to everyone and everything in their nonexistence. It was like I didn't exist either and in that situation of mutual nonexistence, I could understand everything and everyone in a way that I never could before. I was one with everyone and they were one with me. They didn't exist but I still understood them, if that makes any sense at all.

But yeah, that was my trip.

Also it's really cool that you got to meet Alexander Shulgin, @DeadonDreaming, I'm actually a bit jealous.

 

[SLushhYYY]

I tried Lucy with my best friend on a ranch in the mid west, and I spent most of the experience star gazing. It was absolutely spectacular, the stars danced to the music I was listening too.

Sadly, however, most of my regular intuition was completely silenced during my experience, leaving me "in the now". I was in the state of mind of awareness, and noticing the details of what I was looking at rather than speculating about what I saw. Although this allowed me to fully enjoy my experience, I still had a deep desire that was not fulfilled when it came to abstract thoughts, deep intuition etc. I guess my sober brain lives in that world, even more so with marijuana, but psychedelics tend to keep me too much in the now.

My friend was baffled during the experience because he believed that I was acting completely normal, even on the high dose he administered. I suppose he had never "tripped" with an intelligent individual in the past.

 

[Sensi Star]

^ Wow, that's odd most people would love to have the type of experience you had.

The problem for most people who trip is what your experience lacked: overly-intense introspection and abstract thinking that dominates the trip, rather than 'being in the now'.

I'm a solid INTP, and LSD or shrooms make me even more introspective and full of abstract thoughts than when I'm sober. You're lucky IMO.

 

[SLushhYYY]

^ Wow, that's odd most people would love to have the type of experience you had.

The problem for most people who trip is what your experience lacked: overly-intense introspection and abstract thinking that dominates the trip, rather than 'being in the now'.

I'm a solid INTP, and LSD or shrooms make me even more introspective and full of abstract thoughts than when I'm sober. You're lucky IMO.

I did say it was absolutely spectacular

But the lack of introspection was lame.

 

[7even]

What goes down, generally, with functions for an INTP; if shrooms are ingested?

 

[Moocow]

@Sensi Star
@SLushhYYY
@7even
Let's not forget the massive, overwhelming importance of setting in regards to what happens.

In my experience, if you want introspection, trip alone, where you normally go about your daily life. The comfort and lack of novelty outside of you will make you seek it out inside. Quite the opposite for stargazing, hiking, and so on.

 

[SLushhYYY]

@Sensi Star
@SLushhYYY
@7even
Let's not forget the massive, overwhelming importance of setting in regards to what happens.

In my experience, if you want introspection, trip alone, where you normally go about your daily life. The comfort and lack of novelty outside of you will make you seek it out inside. Quite the opposite for stargazing, hiking, and so on.

Agreed. I plan on having another experience alone.

 

[7even]

@Sensi Star
@SLushhYYY
@7even
Let's not forget the massive, overwhelming importance of setting in regards to what happens.

In my experience, if you want introspection, trip alone, where you normally go about your daily life. The comfort and lack of novelty outside of you will make you seek it out inside. Quite the opposite for stargazing, hiking, and so on.

I would say agreed too, but @SLushhYYY has already said it for me.

Damn mind readers!

 

[Sensi Star]

If you want full-blown introspection, shrooms are your best bet. Though if you are alone it tends to be quite sinister at times. All of the self-realizations that have been locked away under your sub-conscious will swim to the surface.

Of all psychedelics, psilocybin is the least shy about showing you how much of a 'jerk' you are. I like to think of psilocybin as a confrontational psycho-therapist who used to be a military drill sargent.

 

[nanook]

yes, i have found it to be dangerous because of that, because there are hours of what appears to be heightened neuro plasticity, so when something comes up within this atmosphere of low serotonin, is being evaluated through what is left of your angsty resistant ego, it can possibly be repressed even deeper than it was before, you could possibly dissociate your whole soul, due to a misunderstanding. then this new state becomes solid again.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

If you want full-blown introspection, shrooms are your best bet. Though if you are alone it tends to be quite sinister at times. All of the self-realizations that have been locked away under your sub-conscious will swim to the surface.

Of all psychedelics, psilocybin is the least shy about showing you how much of a 'jerk' you are. I like to think of psilocybin as a confrontational psycho-therapist who used to be a military drill sargent.

I'm not sure if its how much of a jerk you are, but how much you are deviating from your true nature. Since I'm true to myself, I don't get my ass kicked by psychedelics any more.

 

[SLushhYYY]

If you want full-blown introspection, shrooms are your best bet. Though if you are alone it tends to be quite sinister at times. All of the self-realizations that have been locked away under your sub-conscious will swim to the surface.

Of all psychedelics, psilocybin is the least shy about showing you how much of a 'jerk' you are. I like to think of psilocybin as a confrontational psycho-therapist who used to be a military drill sargent.

I believe I think of myself as quite sinister in my sober state of mind. Im not sure anything dealing with self realization can be acquired since I'm already intuitive and honest about my own psyche.

Im looking for some Ni knowledge corresponding with something metaphysical, or thought worthy such as an invention.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

I believe I think of myself as quite sinister in my sober state of mind. Im not sure anything dealing with self realization can be acquired since I'm already intuitive and honest about my own psyche.

Im looking for some Ni knowledge corresponding with something metaphysical, or thought worthy such as an invention.

From my talks with Alexander Shulgin's wife, I have hallucinations that represent my inner "bad" thoughts; my evil thoughts. I've seen a black figure before when tripping, the same as she recorded in the book Pihkal.

 

[SLushhYYY]

From my talks with Alexander Shulgin's wife, I have hallucinations that represent my inner "bad" thoughts; my evil thoughts. I've seen a black figure before when tripping, the same as she recorded in the book Pihkal.

That sounds fun. "Bad" thoughts are just thoughts that you don't immediately catch onto, there can always be a bajillion views on any topic/action.

 

[DeadonDreaming]

That sounds fun. "Bad" thoughts are just thoughts that you don't immediately catch onto, there can always be a bajillion views on any topic/action.

Right! I think they might be thoughts that aren't congruent with who I really am, not actual "bad" in terms of what most people think of as bad.

I started volunteering in the slums because of this type of stuff, had bad thoughts that I wasn't doing enough to improve the world. But I've also been really mean if someone was overly drunk and being loud while my friends and I tripped, which might be "bad thoughts"

 

[SLushhYYY]

Right! I think they might be thoughts that aren't congruent with who I really am, not actual "bad" in terms of what most people think of as bad.

I started volunteering in the slums because of this type of stuff, had bad thoughts that I wasn't doing enough to improve the world. But I've also been really mean if someone was overly drunk and being loud while my friends and I tripped, which might be "bad thoughts"

The drugs just allow you to view things in different ways, apart from your normal thinking strategy. Its up to the person to allow those thoughts to affect them after their experience is over. I think a lot of people that take drugs arnt fully comfortable with themselves and would therefore be more susceptible to such "horrific" thoughts, which can sometimes mean a change in personality after the experience.

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

If you want full-blown introspection, shrooms are your best bet. Though if you are alone it tends to be quite sinister at times. All of the self-realizations that have been locked away under your sub-conscious will swim to the surface.

Of all psychedelics, psilocybin is the least shy about showing you how much of a 'jerk' you are. I like to think of psilocybin as a confrontational psycho-therapist who used to be a military drill sargent.

I understand that. It was a wake up call, of sorts, that not everything inside me was the way it should be.

Certain aspects of who I am just didn't add up or fit together quite right and it was jarring.

All in all I feel like my experience helped in whatever way it was supposed to. I felt a lot older after it, which was a bit odd but not unwelcome or unexpected.


Can anyone tell me how tripping acid would differ from shrooms? My knowledge of psychedelics is not as expanded as some of yours and I'm interested to know how different psychedelics have different effects.