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nanook

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We need a dedicated thread for stuff that can save lives. The other thread is about saving your money and stuff.

We can use this thread to discuss facts of hygiene as much as medicine.

So you want drugs, i have drugs.

Selenium seems relevant to virus proliferation as well, Serac.

Thanks for pointing out about zinc before, Serac. Did you link to medmastery? cant remember. It's nicely done video that shows the virus in action, if we can believe that. It discusses zinc and the proposed corona medicine chloroquine.

You did link to that study about zinc.


Other things to keep in mind: protecting infected lungs from collateral damage of immune action. This is what kills people.

B3/niacin is associated with less damage from lung related sepsis.
Vitamin c comes up again and again.

The body's own antioxidant glutathion protects the lungs. The recylcing of it depends on selenium, zinc and vitamin c.


A good dietary source of selenium is brazil nuts and zinc is generally more easy to get from WFPB.

Btw, radical caloric deficits, such as 400kcal of protein stuff is associated with worse virus outcome/more proliferation. I speak with studies in mind. Can't fetch all the links. You would need to eat at least 1300kcal of WFPB, low caloric density stuff, lentils, broccoli, carrots, fruit, to get all the nutrients an i hope to demostrate, why the nutrients matter to virus proliferation.

But first. More about drugs.

Interferon (consuming some garlic raises it) and beta-glucans (2tsp deactivated nutritional yeast flakes or 1 can mushrooms) may boost immune system beforehand, so it can respond to infections more rapidly. If your already sick it may be too late and counterproductive, not entirely sure tho, maybe you know.

Vitamin D is associated with raising immunity but i haven't personally seen the science about how it interferes with acute infection. It's been highly beneficial with taking out chronic low levels infections. I megadose currently and it seems to make me feel good. Magnesiusm is a relevant cofactor here. You can dump a large amount of D into your fat tissues, it will be released more slowly.


Basically, you can never be reductionist. You need all the drugs you can buy, lol. The body needs to have all strings pulled together to come to live and optimum self healing powers. You just need to know about the individual nutrients to realize, that your lifestyle is deficient and that you wont be able to stand up to crisis. You are the risk group, so take care. 30% lung damage after recovery and long term damages from hospital treatment with antibiotics (chronic infections causing rheuma, etc) doesn't make you any younger.

Now for the fun part.

My understanding is this (and its picked up intuitively from different sources and may not be accurate)

Its normal for viruses to mutate and therefore normal for vaccines to be ineffective by the time they are published, but mutation is not all bad.

The reason they mutate is not hostile evolutionary intent and cleverness. Killing the host has zero evolutionary benefits for a virus, if it has intrinsic evolutionary intelligence at all. I think these mutations that are associated with much damage are mainly random accidents.

And since the viruses are not coming from humans, they don't replicate as well in humans. Therefore they deteriorate by mutation/accident, become less infectious from replication to replication and over time, which is why these waves of animal viruses ebb off in human populations after a while. So: low population density or more quarantine, less frequent infections, more time for faulty replication in between, more deterioration of the virus, less efficient infections, a smaller wave of total infections. Is not just herd immunity that stops the wave. Or at least immunity is not only about immune cells but also has to do, with how much our cells can resist to replicating this animal or microbe born DNA/RNA crap, that does not serve our cells.
Unfortunately this crap causes more damage, while replicating in humans. In contrast, it's operation in animals, such as bats may even serve some strange benefit. They keep replicating the material but it doesn't seem to wipe out their populations.


Perhaps one should not immediately infect all young people with artificially replicated viruses in the laboratory (some freaks have proposed this strategy), which are therefore absolutely identical and will therefore develop completely differently than natural infections would develop from person to person, each time causing an accidental damage to the Virus would be involved.

Under natural circumstances, both the immune system and the replication mechanism of a wide range of different viral material of a virus family would be confronted.

Now i am just getting started.


It does not seem implausible to me that the evolutionary reason for the constant replication of native viruses (as in human influenza and bat corona) may have to do with overpopulation.

It could be, for example, that metabolic products, e.g. enzymes, which are only incompletely matured due to a nutrient deficit, such as zinc or selenium, do not fulfill their ideal function and accumulate in the body, and that cells with certain RNA changes / mutations are still able to make use of such a "manure" (achieve proliferation, utilizing them), even if the resulting cell is ugly and kinda kills the host.

This would mean that such changed cells, or the changes themselves, multiply when a population is starving and the population is reduced so much by sudden death that the food is again sufficient for everyone.
Now all you have to do is give a real name to the RNA change in these cells, such as Virus (V is for Vicious / Change) and the murderous bogeyman is perfect. But despite being a highly subjective concept, it really does exist. Without this RNA mutation, malnutrition would have some other consequences. It would probably damage the whole genome, if deficient individuals were to survive and reproduce, which could lead to the devolution of the whole species. A species without a such lethal viral RNA mutations would therefore disappear through devolution. All species that exist after countless ages of evolution coexist with some viral phenomena.


With this consideration I do not propagate any idea of an overpopulation of humanity. At most, I take nutritional deficiency into account, related to silly food industry practice. Besides, it's just an example. I'm just questioning our idea of what viruses are. We generally talk about them as if they were living microbes and show photos of infected cells. As far as I know, it's our own cells, with a junk RNA building block. We have no idea how many such building blocks there are. What makes one of them go viral? It seems to me a question of quality.


I thought it would be funny to frame this as "hacking" because this message board doesn't have a health and biology section. To me, this is also a bit of social hacking. Commercial interests block the acceptance of truth by polluting the world with silly prejudices, such as 'masks don't work, don't bother'.
As you may know i have leukemia and i intend to survive this and any further flu waves.
I am engaged to publish what i learn, for other people with my disease, who have less time to research stuff.
I also live with my 80yr old father and tho we are not very close, i would hope to give him ideal advice as well.
 

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I also live with my 80yr old father and tho we are not very close, i would hope to give him ideal advice as well.
Isolaton. X10. You did super research. And it will help. But the best is to isolate. Move if necessary. Now germany has 30000 respirators. Compared to very few to rest of europe. But hacking covid-19. That is definetly out of my league. I have only planned to stay clear.
 

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I'm currently working in a health center so I've no choice but to consume the COVID updates every day.

Safety tips:

Isolation is super important. You can't get sick if you're not exposed. Typically, it's 5 days from exposure to first symptoms, and around day 9, it gets serious. So if you've been isolating for a week or so and feel fine, you're probably good.

Proper masks, if fitted, along with gloves, goggles, and immediately washing exposed clothes (all properly donned and doffed), are supposed to help. The medical professionals I know have some doubts on this point, on account of the number of trained ER staff who have been infected. There's a sewing pattern going around the internet that's supposed to go over the N95 mask, so you can reuse your mask. It's probably better than nothing if supplies are low.

The virus can linger in the air for about 3 hours. On paper surfaces about 24 hours, on plastic or steel for about 2-3 days. Copper only 4 hours. Copper is corrosive, which gives it anti-microbial qualities.

Soap truly helps. This virus has a lipid outer layer, so soap and water (asssuming proper washing techniques) really can remove it from your skin and from surfaces.

If using heavy antimicrobial products, remember that the surface you're cleaning needs to stay wet for 1-3 minutes (depending on the solution) to actually kill things. And don't handle said products with bare hands because they damage your skin.

I'm hearing some chatter about ibuprofen doing more harm than good for infected people. I'm not sure if it's been confirmed or debunked.

Background info:

Disease is a natural check for over-dense populations. That's why isolation helps.

A few things to keep in mind about viruses.
1) They're very small. So small that the vast majority only affect bacteria. Viruses are several magnitudes smaller than bactria cells and bactria cells are much, much smaller than eukaryotic cells (cells with organelles in them that can support multicellular life).
2) They function more like machines than like living things. They can't reproduce, they build.
3) Because of the above limitations, viruses that affect eukaryotic cells rarely jump species.

Like you were saying, @nanook, viruses that are most successful are ones that are highly contagious and either slow to kill you or non-fatal. Like herpes. Over time, most viruses become decreasingly fatal or much slower in killing you. Think about HIV. At first, it was killing people in a matter of months. Now, even without treatment, it can take a decade. With treatment, its just a chronic illness.

So this version of coronavirus, if we're assuming it came from bats who are largely unaffected by the virus, it's safe to assume the virus has adapted to their cellular physiology.

If the human population to which the virus jumped was a small village 30 miles from the next village (and so on), and there wasn't constant travel in between, it would probably be as benign to us as the bats before it spread throughout all the human populations, that is assuming it was contagious enough to spread everywhere at all.

But since we're all huddled together in city after city with planes, trains, and automobiles to get us from hub to hub, it's hitting us hard.
 

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The ibuprofen theory that is discussed right now, is that taking it (and i believe similar drugs, non steroidal inflammatory) regularly grows these receptor sites, which are used by the virus to enter healthy cells.

These receptor sites are also grown by smoking. I heard that chinese people smoke allot and in Italy they supposedly love over the counter ibuprofen. So i don't know if having more means that more viral RNA can enter into a single cell and accomplish replication or if it only means, that the virus would come around to find a vulnerable cell more quickly.

Ibuprofen blocks cell regeneration by blocking enzymes called cox1 and 2. this is why you get holes in your gut, if you take it regularly. your cut cant recylcle itself when its worn down, which happens naturally. ibuprofen also decreases platelet aggregation which means you are more likely to bleed in the case of injury. Duh. Just say no, kids.

There can be some debate over whether a single dose of IBU would do any harm.
Generally you don*t want to suppress fever, if at all possible, because its an immune reaction.
But if it totally gets out of hand, maybe worth a shot? I don't know.
Given my leukemia (possible thrombocytopenia), i would say rather not for me.
 

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A little bit of porn. Tickle all the strings. No reductionism. Everything works together.

What i notice is missing on the map: thyroid hormones, thus iodine. Thyroid also needs Selenium.

 

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The virus changes size and thus properties, depending on its state of hydration.



Normal breathing and talking, not just coughing, causes aerosol spread of infection.

Aerosol meaning super fine droplets, that can float or perhaps even be sucked around the corners of a loosely fitting mask, and be sucked deep into someone's lung, where they need to go, to spread lung infection.

I think wearing the mask in public makes sense, because people kind of raise their voice, when communicating, whenever they keep a larger distance, because shopping malls are noisy places.

But this airstream that is blown from a distance is least likely to find its way around the corner of a mask. Certainly most unlikely, if the shouting person wears a mask. The viral material will stick to the mask and the air won't ever travel the distance.

The stickiness of this material is the good news.

In contrast, viral material that has descended upon surfaces for a bit has become more dehydrated and is most sticky and is therefore unlikely to cause infection, not only because it deteriorates quickly, but because it's usually not delivered into the body.

If you touch your nose with infected fingers, this is rather unlikely to cause infection, because this sticky material unlikely to sail deep into the mucus area of the airways. Just don't pull stuff out of your teeth with bare hands.

But there is the object to hand to food to mouth path.

Another path is the shaking up of contaminated clothing. The strong wind passing though shaked up textile fibers may blow some infected material into the air, allowing it to be breathed in.

This is likely involved in how people in hospitals get infected, in their wardrobe, which is covered in viral material.

On slick surfaces, the material is not sticky. Normal air can blow it up.

The floor of public toilets or small entry passages to shops may be filled with this dehydrated, dusty version, because these are places where people love to cough in private.

A cloud may jump at you, from the floor, when you walk over it.
Also if you drop something ordinary into a public toilet, a cloud is likely to come up.

Some of that stuff is already broken and can't infect us any more.
But some can, as seems implied by how medics get infected all of the time.

Also dry air may decrease size and when the weather is right a breathing cloud may travel larger distances than expected. When i jog, i often run through the smelly breath of a smoker. Therefore I put on mask, when i pass by a jogger.
 

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Farming Animals means breeding viruses that can wipe out humanity. The unnatural conditions of animal farms can breed viruses, that kill most hosts in little time, because animals stand, live and die right next to each other. Animals are forced to breathe in the microbes from their poop and viruses, that were originally replicated by those microbes in poop, will eventually also be replicated by the lungs of animals. Those are likely to be replicable by human lungs. Perhaps its similar with corona bats. Viruses may be harmless to bats, if they didn't affect their lungs at all, but exist in the microbiome of their gut. Also bats who can fly, can work up high body temperatures, which may be protective, but bats in dirty cage's can't.

 

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There is nothing that weakens our immune system as much as anger. When i get really angry, i often get a herpes outbreak right away. No amount of vitamins can protect against this effect. I got angry again, yesterday, when once again the media was lying, pretending that Masks are no protection against the Virus. The more evidence to the contrary is published, the more nonchalantly they will lie about it. And now i have herpes. Guess how i feel half of the time, when some fucking group think nazis laugh at me, because i wear a mask outside.

 

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Ivermectin - Inhibiting SARS-CoV-2 replication, likely through inhibiting IMPα/β1-mediated nuclear import of viral proteins, as shown for other RNA viruses. https://bit.ly/3aFi77H

FDA-approved broad spectrum anti-parasitic agent with established safety profile for human use. High dose has comparable safety as the standard low-dose treatment.

In vitro, cells were dosed 2 hours after infection. At 24 h, there was a 93% reduction in viral RNA present. Similarly a 99.8% reduction in cell-associated viral RNA was observed. By 48h this effect increased to an ∼5000-fold reduction of viral RNA in ivermectin-treated compared to control samples, indicating that ivermectin treatment resulted in the effective loss of essentially all viral material by 48 h. Consistent with this idea, no further reduction in viral RNA was observed at 72 h. No toxicity of ivermectin was observed at any of the timepoints tested, in either the sample wells or in parallel tested drug alone samples.

It's not yet know what dose is effective in corona in real people.
There is limited experience with dosing in people with denuge fever.
More than a single dose is needed.

Another medicine that addresses replication directly is called Remdesivir. I don't know the safety profile.
 

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You're making this all too complicated.
EVERY 40% alcoholic beverage widely sold for (2.99-4.99) is an adequate disinfactant.
Putting a cloth in front of your mouth and nose, which you wash regularly above 60° combined with the vast majority of available glasses is efficient.
That's it.
 

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You're making this all too complicated.
EVERY 40% alcoholic beverage widely sold for (2.99-4.99) is an adequate disinfactant.
Putting a cloth in front of your mouth and nose, which you wash regularly above 60° combined with the vast majority of available glasses is efficient.
That's it.
40% alcohol goes against the scientific literature, the general truth of 40% alcohol being a disinfectant doesn't apply to this specific context.
 

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You're making this all too complicated.
EVERY 40% alcoholic beverage widely sold for (2.99-4.99) is an adequate disinfactant.
Putting a cloth in front of your mouth and nose, which you wash regularly above 60° combined with the vast majority of available glasses is efficient.
That's it.
40% alcohol goes against the scientific literature, the general truth of 40% alcohol being a disinfectant doesn't apply to this specific context.
All i hear is whining.
 

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Why are you trying to rile me? You know if you actually responded with some substance I'd give you a response but based on your antagonism I don't want to go near you with a 10 foot barge pole.
 

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Sitting in purgatory dwindling my thumbs since you've commented on literally anything so I can't bypass your flood of ideologues.
 

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That's not true and you have no way of confirming that.

I suppose you're a fascist nazi cocksucker that fucks corpses because you idolize the gruesome elements of psychopathy.
 

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I wonder if there'll ever be a blip of self-awareness in your rambling that will give you a moment to reflect on what you type.
 
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