Fuck Life

[jameslikespie]

Why do people even bother planning for college/university or do things that give our lives no fucking enjoyment whatsoever? Why even bother with morality? Why do anything that isn't enjoyable? Most of life is work and anger and what little enjoyment I get out of it is ruined by the fact that I know that i'll be doing something I dislike in the near future. I mean, what the hell people, wake the fuck up, were on a giant rock headed for oblivion, the least we can do is fucking enjoy it without stress. Man, this sucks.

This probably wasn't coherent, sounded retarded, full of swearing, i'm just pissed off at the moment...

What's your guys' opinion on life?

 

[Jordan~]

I try to do whatever good I can, to live in such a way that the world is better off with me than without me. And when people say that we're all just going to die anyway, the planet's not going to last forever, the stelliferous era will end, the universe will die in heat death, atoms will begin to decay, etc., I say that that's all very far off and in the mean time why don't we try to get to a point where we can do something about it rather than taking it for granted and putting up with it?

We may be on a giant rock headed for oblivion, but it's a beautiful, amazing rock full of beautiful, amazing things and maybe we can steer it away from every oblivion it heads for.

 

[Don't mind me]

I don't know if I can have one.

Really, just saying that it's "good" or "bad" without a reference doesn't seem meaningful, and if I were to use "better than" or "worse than", the following word would have to be a part of life. Valuable comparison? Is the whole more, better, or worse than its parts? What?

 

[Jordan~]

What constitutes good and better is a whole other kettle of fish. If you accept that any one part of life is better in any sense than any other, then morality is worth pursuing; otherwise, there's no such thing as morality. Even the acknowledgement that there are some things that are enjoyable and the assertion that those should be done lay the foundations for a moral system.
Parts of a whole can be compared, and the nature of the whole changed by the addition or removal of certain parts. And even outwith the whole there are points of reference: imagined possibilities, for instance.

 

[jameslikespie]

I don't know if I can have one.

Really, just saying that it's "good" or "bad" without a reference doesn't seem meaningful, and if I were to use "better than" or "worse than", the following word would have to be a part of life. Valuable comparison? Is the whole more, better, or worse than its parts? What?

You can't really compare life to anything apart from death, as there is nothing else to compare it too. And seeing as you haven't experienced death you can't compare it to anything.

Edit: I don't think I answered your question, I don't really get what you want me to answer.

 

[Jordan~]

You can compare one instance of life to another, one moment of life to another, the reality of life to an imagined alternative, etc.; there are plenty of points of reference for meaningful comparison outside of death. I can compare my life right now to my life when I was 10, I can compare my life right now to how I imagine it might be when I'm 30, I can compare my life to someone else's life.

 

[jameslikespie]

You can compare one instance of life to another, one moment of life to another, the reality of life to an imagined alternative, etc.; there are plenty of points of reference for meaningful comparison outside of death. I can compare my life right now to my life when I was 10, I can compare my life right now to how I imagine it might be when I'm 30, I can compare my life to someone else's life.

I don't mean saying whether your lives are good or not, i'm saying what do you think of humanity, what we are doing, do we have a purpose etc. I guess I should've been more specific

And I agree with you about the life comparison thing.

 

[Don't mind me]

What constitutes good and better is a whole other kettle of fish. If you accept that any one part of life is better in any sense than any other, then morality is worth pursuing; otherwise, there's no such thing as morality. Even the acknowledgement that there are some things that are enjoyable and the assertion that those should be done lay the foundations for a moral system.
Parts of a whole can be compared, and the nature of the whole changed by the addition or removal of certain parts. And even outwith the whole there are points of reference: imagined possibilities, for instance.

But even this fantasy is but a part within the whole. Actually, it changes the whole. Wanna compare life as is with a fantasy of your own? Too bad, your critique is outdated at arrival!

I can easily imagine a unicorn riding a rainbow and find my current surroundings disappointingly different from this, but that's a scene, not life. How can I imagine in that size? Can it be relevant?

Imagining a scene, preferable to the one before you, is not enough for action: you need to be convinced that the scene can be reached through your actions.

Man, I'm barely even rambling: it's bedtime.
By the way, thanks for sharing the pic of your friend in the goth thread.

 

[jameslikespie]

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking as I wrote the thread, I was just ranting, that's all, but i'd like people to answer my question.

 

[Jordan~]

Imagining a scene, preferable to the one before you, is not enough for action: you need to be convinced that the scene can be reached through your actions.

Man, I'm barely even rambling: it's bedtime.
By the way, thanks for sharing the pic of your friend in the goth thread.

But what's stopping you from believing that it can be reached through your actions? If you really want to see a unicorn riding a rainbow, why are you convinced that you'll never be able to? How could you see that - what steps could be taken to achieve your driving goal of seeing a unicorn riding a rainbow before your eyes? Would it be sufficient to see a photorealistic rendering or video? If not, can a rainbow-riding unicorn be created? I would say so. Maybe not right now, but at some point, when the technology exists, sure, why not a rainbow-riding unicorn?

And maybe there's very little you can do about it in the present, but you can do what little you can and work towards being able to do more. Train to be a scientist, and in the meantime, try to contribute however you can to the fields of science that might one day result in unicorns riding rainbows. Rally people to your cause: convince them of the glories of unicorns riding rainbows, muster support that it might be realised sooner.

It can't actually be known for sure that a certain fantasy can't be realised unless it's inherently oxymoronic. Even then, twist the rules of the universe or the nature of your perception enough and it can be done. I would be quite happy to fought all my life for something that turned out to be unattainable and to have my epitaph read, "Died trying."
Also, no problem.

I don't mean saying whether your lives are good or not, i'm saying what do you think of humanity, what we are doing, do we have a purpose etc. I guess I should've been more specific

And I agree with you about the life comparison thing.

I think the same applies. Life in the sense of humanity, the universe, etc. differs day by day, part by part, mile by mile, and it's possible to conceive of nonexistent alternatives. Presumably there are some aspects of it that we consider good or bad; if we consider the whole bad, there must be a conceivable good alternative. If there is no conceivable good alternative, why not? What's stopping it from being good? Why assume that can never be overcome? And then our purpose would be to promote the good, reduce the bad, and strive for the ideal.

 

[snafupants]

Fundamentally arbitrary motion is often accepted as currency by the mind, especially in a rut. The worst plan for when you're depressed is to remain stagnant and drool yourself into the ground.

On a more blatantly ontological note, you're right, going to Home Depot to pick up a sprocket is normally devoid of magical cosmic significance. That said, the challenge in life is to craft your own meaning for an ostensibly indifferent universe.

Why do you say that you will be doing something you dislike in the future? Is this Nazi Germany? Do you have a choice?

 

[jameslikespie]

Fundamentally arbitrary motion is often accepted as currency by the mind, especially in a rut. The worst plan for when you're depressed is to remain stagnant and drool yourself into the ground.

On a more blatantly ontological note, you're right, going to Home Depot to pick up a sprocket is normally devoid of magical cosmic significance. That said, the challenge in life is to craft your own meaning for an ostensibly indifferent universe.

Why do you say that you will be doing something you dislike in the future? Is this Nazi Germany? Do you have a choice?

As i've said numerous times, I wasn't really thinking while I wrote it, I was just angry so I made a thread, most of what I wrote was fucking pointless and arbitrary, and I now wish the thread was closed.

 

[crippli]

You mentioned fucking 4 times. But couldn't see a relevance in what you wrote. Was it just meant as a metaphor? Sucks also?

 

[jameslikespie]

People read the fucking posts! The thread was made in a bout of anger and I want it to be deleted, the least you could do is answer my question if you're going to post on it not keep questioning what I said because, as I said, it was pointless. I'm not explaining this again.

 

[Minuend]

I don't know, to me it seems you are still angry. How then are we supposed to separate what we can reply and what we can not reply to?

 

[Jordan~]

James should eat more pie.

 

[smithcommajohn]

James should eat more pie.

Spot on. Sounds like he's on the "No Pie Diet".

 

[pjoa09]

I try to do whatever I want. It's very hard. Often you just pop in with your shit and it's never good enough no matter how hard you try.

It's actually a very tough question that I ask myself every week.

I think the most you can do is make the resources for what you want to do and do just that.

 

[Architect]

Good for you, go throw yourself in a hole, that's the spirit!

 

[jameslikespie]

Anger = Not Thinking = This Thread = More Anger That People Are Still Taking This Thread Seriously = This Post = Lulz at the fact I made this thread = Apathy to this thread = Making a new thread

 

[Reluctantly]

Why do people even bother planning for college/university or do things that give our lives no fucking enjoyment whatsoever? Why even bother with morality? Why do anything that isn't enjoyable?

Because you never really had full control to begin with. We're slaves to reality, our environments, and thus as a result of these constraints we aren't able to have full control of our programming.

So keep doing what you're doing because you're going to do it anyway.

 

[Reluctantly]

Anger = Not Thinking = This Thread = More Anger That People Are Still Taking This Thread Seriously = This Post = Lulz at the fact I made this thread = Apathy to this thread = Making a new thread

Want to wear one of my dresses?

 

[jameslikespie]

Want to wear one of my dresses?

lolwut?

 

[Reluctantly]

lolwut?

Heh-heh.

 

[smithcommajohn]

Want to wear one of my dresses?

Are they pretty?

 

[shoeless]

life is pretty sweet.

it'd be even sweeter if the entire world would just light up a joint and chill the fuck out though.

 

[Jah]

What is this, a pandemic of pointlessness ?

 

[Jordan~]

I think it's very pointy indeed.

 

[Jah]

Life on the pointy/pointless end ?


Sounds like Bi Polar disorder...

btw. did you know that the Earth is Bi Polar ?

 

[jameslikespie]

Life on the pointy/pointless end ?


Sounds like Bi Polar disorder...

btw. did you know that the Earth is Bi Polar ?

Best.Joke.Ever.

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

To add real sentiment to this thread (something maybe I don't do enough of....I ,too, thought I was suspended during the recent great halting of INTPforum. I was like, "I knew my lack of interesting input would eventually catch up to me. Dammit...)

I've become mildly frustrated lately that I have sort of legitimately become an adult recently. I mean, I've been of legal age for some time now and all that, but I've gone from aimlessly doing random shit and having lots of time to think, to having a very busy and scheduled life and hardly having any time to organize my thoughts at all. I'm basically working full time right now while taking summer classes, while also trying to prepare for an even worse U.S. economy (more on that maybe later) and save money for investing/building passive income, while also trying to maintain a good relationship with my GF of nearly a year who I do care for greatly. I mean, this is all personal choice when you get right down to it, but what else what I do? If most people say that one should do what they love, then right now I'm basically preparing for some sort of career based in physics, and a stable financial life. That's really all I expect out of it, right now.

I would appreciate any shortcuts in life, if anyone knows of any.

 

[GYX_Kid]

When life is going good, it's pretty chill. Yeah.
Sometimes I find myself succeeding in something I'm interested in. That tends to feel pretty cool.
Then it wears off. Then what? On to the next thing.
Sometimes going forward in some interest might end up biting me in the ass, since I can have such obsessive/specific/bizarrely dark curiosities as well.
Sense of self and the world can fluctuate.

Sometimes it all seems like an effort and gamble not worth it in the end. I'm hoping I can become able enough to make it worth it, to convince my and others' gratification of [things that = win and good and all that].

I mean we are animals, theoretically it doesn't seem like our perspective should be so impossibly complicated to satisfy sometimes...but it is

Well, life's a fucked up puzzle, really. Nothing more or less.

 

[SilentRobert23]

Not sure how to respond to this thread. I've spent years planning to kill myself once I completed high school, and it's only the last few months I've been ignoring that and telling myself (sometimes even believing) that it will get better. I see existence as being meaningless, and my own happiness being out of reach, but I can logically recognize that it is better to have loved and lost than et cetera.