hey im back. reading my lasts posts again is kinda painful. im sorry @ everyone and reluctantly in particular for my childish/unhelpful attitude before...i was annoyed at being repeatedly asked to explain claims/criteria i know i never made.
@reluctantly
now that ive seen the two posts you quoted, i can see how the second one can be misleading due to unavailability of context. i had a specific post by helvete in mind when i wrote that, and it was really dumb of me not to quote it above what i wrote. putting what helvete wrote above what i wrote puts everything back into perspective. i think.
helvete said:
Hado why are you so against lynching bronto today? I would much rather mislynch inactive town than mislynch active town. If they are scum then it forces them to participate and offer more content to slip up on.
zerkalo said:
also helvete prefers a lurker mislynch rather than an active mislynch...which i find weird becuase, save for bronto, i think everyone's shown readiness to get involved. i dont think we need to worry about bronto, QT will get him modkilled or replaced if he remains inactive. but other than bronto, everyone expressed readiness to answer other people's questions when theyre free...i guess this is a very weak point but just putting it out there
just add the word "lurker" after "active" and "inactive", and it fits in with the context of my posting history so far. i have already gone over why lynching bronto is a useless move(see quote below) and bad to town but i'll elaborate in detail now.
zerkalo said:
i was outlining the difference between active lurker, who definitely should be pressured into producing more content, and inactive. basically i was making the same point you're[NOTE: YOU'RE HERE REFERS TO JENNY] making; bronto is a meaningless vote, easy picking to quote you, and he's active on the forum but has shown obvious lack of interest in the game so this is not even like artsu who would continue to check back to avoid modkill. which is why im saying @people who vote bronto to stop pretending their votes are worth shit.
basically, the point i was highlighting against helvete is that bronto is the only inactive lurker. everyone else(ignoring hado, rb and gopher here), regardless of whether or not they've produced much content, has shown up at some point, been pressured, started to voice suspicions, and promised to participate more when theyre free. at that point, i thought bronto's getting modkilled as soon as his first 24 hours are over. didnt know he would get another day as warning...but anyway, my point still stands, that helvete thinking town lynching bronto is a good idea is weird. why? because, say we did what helvete asked for, and a majority agreed on a bronto lynch before he gets modkilled: does this say ANYTHING at all about any of the people who voted bronto? nope. is bronto a consistent detriment to town judgement like artsu was? also no, because he's getting modkilled soon.
mainly i want to highlight two things:
-first, i didnt produce a criteria against lynching inactives, i was just against a bronto lynch in particular. this is a particular case. actually no you can say im against lynching inactive lurkers but bronto is the only such player in the game.
-second, again, my main reason to be against lynching a player who will be modkilled anyway is that it says nothing about the voters. it's a convenient vote and saying it helps town is weak justification imo because reasons above.
anyway i already said in the quote that this is a somewhat weak case against helvete, because helvete said what he said early in the game. he didnt retract his statements about bronto though, and other people also kept bringing up bronto as a candidate for pressuring/lynching which i saw as a weak/meaningless vote. so you can say this point was more general and not against helvete in particular
now about RB:
im not a mind reader, so when RB produces a list like that, and doesn't list you, or sinny, or pmj on it, it's natural for me to find it weird.
first of all, happy is playing exactly the way he played last game. now the weird thing is...RB says he reads pmj as green because he's playing like happy played last game XD why is one excused and the other put on a suspicions list then?
second, why is sinny not there?
third, RB didnt state his reasons for not suspecting you until veryyy recently. in my eyes at that point, you were also not contributing much or pushing for anything.
jenny and cheese were not on the list either. you might say because they were were unavailable, but then again why is bronto there then?
also
hado said he reads urakro as town. i dont recall rb saying that himself(im writing from memory so i might be wrong), and i have no reason to think of hado+rb as one unit. so...
