Every woman is now a lesbian.

[Dimensional Transition]

Not really, but alright, listen up. I've noticed that it seems to be hip for girls to be 'lesbian' now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against homosexuality, feminism, whatever... But has anybody else noticed this? It just seems really ridiculous to me. Especially the more artistic/scene/alternative girls seem to be trying to stand out these days by choosing to be lesbian or bisexual.

 

[Don't mind me]

Yes, of course. Obviously the amount of people who were actually gay was equal to the amount of openly gay people in historical times when homosexuality was looked down upon to an even larger degree than today and there were possibly even laws prohibiting it, but now, in present times, people are faking it, and the amount of actually gay people is smaller than the amount of openly "gay" people!

 

[shoeless]

bisexual, maybe, but i doubt many girls are completely denying their actual preferences and "choosing" to be completely lesbian when they aren't really.

personally i think most people have at least a little bi in them. most. at least a little.

 

[Don't mind me]

personally i think most people have at least a little bi in them. most. at least a little.

Most people seem to have at least 50% of it.

 

[SkyWalker]

its just a new little show-off trick to get the attention of the boys

 

[crippli]

If the activity is only for sexual acts I find it a little odd to have a strong preference, as the two bodies are more similar then not. And both can function as the other with a bit of a work around. However being sexually aroused on other spices, like a horse or donkey, that is probably when I will raise my eyebrow and wonder what is going on.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Yes, of course. Obviously the amount of people who were actually gay was equal to the amount of openly gay people in historical times when homosexuality was looked down upon to an even larger degree than today and there were possibly even laws prohibiting it, but now, in present times, people are faking it, and the amount of actually gay people is smaller than the amount of openly "gay" people!

Exactly.

bisexual, maybe, but i doubt many girls are completely denying their actual preferences and "choosing" to be completely lesbian when they aren't really.

personally i think most people have at least a little bi in them. most. at least a little.

Yeah, maybe more bisexual, but I've also seen quite a few girls scream they're lesbian from one day to another.
I agree with everyone being a little bisexual.

its just a new little show-off trick to get the attention of the boys

That's what I think, but I don't get how it would grab the attention of boys, by stimulating their threesome fantasies? Hmm, possibly.

If the activity is only for sexual acts I find it a little odd to have a strong preference, as the two bodies are more similar then not. And both can function as the other with a bit of a work around. However being sexually aroused on other spices, like a horse or donkey, that is probably when I will raise my eyebrow and wonder what is going on.

Yeah haha. I'm not saying I find it weird that people are homosexual or bisexual or whatever, just that people seem to be choosing for it to try and stand out from the crowd.

 

[Glordag]

I've had a few girl-friends that, while they consider themselves straight, admit to enjoying the female form and will occasionally make out with their girl-friends at the club or wherever. I've had one describe making out with her girl-friends as something that is just really comfortable and enjoyable, but not really anything that turns her on.

I think what you describe is less a "trendy" thing, and more the fact that it's more socially acceptable these days.

As far as everyone being at least a "little" gay... I guess that depends what you call "a little", but I honestly can't find a hint of attraction for the same sex. In general, it's a pretty big turnoff.

 

[SkyWalker]

That's what I think, but I don't get how it would grab the attention of boys, by stimulating their threesome fantasies? Hmm, possibly.

duh

 

[Dimensional Transition]

As far as everyone being at least a "little" gay... I guess that depends what you call "a little", but I honestly can't find a hint of attraction for the same sex. In general, it's a pretty big turnoff.

I sometimes think certain guys are pretty handsome, but they don't turn me on. I don't have sexual fantasies about men or something. That's what I mean by a little gay.

duh

You're right. Darn. But does this mean those girls would be up for it though, then? That'd be pretty awesome.

 

[warryer]

"Tee hee I got drunk at a party and made out with my best friend once, now I'm a lesbian tee hee."

I imagine that thats what the thought process is.

 

[a detached retina]

No there's a bacteria that gets into the intestinal lining of the fetus and precipitates a cascade of gene activation and hormonal changes. This was discovered by scientists at UCSB, who call it "homosexualis pylori."

It's why there actually are more gay people now.

Historically pregnant mothers had a relatively limited diet, but nowadays pregnant women get a more diverse nutritional intake with produce and such from around the world. When you eat a mango from the supermarket it probably comes from south america (more exposure to intestinal types of bacteria).

There has been an established correlation between diverse diet in mother and homosexuality in children. It's also why middle class americans "gayest" demographic. Because of the mother's diet.

 

[MissQuote]

No there's a bacteria that gets into the intestinal lining of the fetus and precipitates a cascade of gene activation and hormonal changes. This was discovered by scientists at UCSB, who call it "homosexualis pylori."

It's why there actually are more gay people now.

Historically pregnant mothers had a relatively limited diet, but nowadays pregnant women get a more diverse nutritional intake with produce and such from around the world. When you eat a mango from the supermarket it probably comes from south america (more exposure to intestinal types of bacteria).

There has been an established correlation between diverse diet in mother and homosexuality in children. It's also why middle class americans "gayest" demographic. Because of the mother's diet.

Great post, but most studies of homosexuality focus on gay males. So it is probable that what you describe was a study of such.

I think for the most part females are hardwired to crave a deeper show of affection from other females than males are from other males, and it is socially acceptable for female friends to be highly physically affectionate- little girls hold hands, young women often cuddle with eachother etc.

I'm not sure where I am going with this... I lost my point when I got the shudders over the cuddling idea.

meh.

 

[Gather_Wanderer]

What on earth is going on in here?..

Where are these lesbian impersonators you speak of? I haven't noticed this at all, really.

 

[a detached retina]

Strange that studies do tend to focus on gay males

possibly homosexuality in males is more of a display of dominance/agression that has gotten confused or submission/low self esteem that has also gotten confused where homosexuality in females is more a display of intimacy and affection that has gotten confused.

Males tend to view other males more as competition and either want to dominate or submit to another male, or duke it out.

Females tend to work better together and maybe more likely to accidentally "fall in love"?

Of course all this behavior could be due to social pressures or cultural evolution or biological evolution or something else I don't know.

 

[aaaw]

I've noticed that it seems to be hip for girls to be 'lesbian' now

Perhaps it's hip to be a certain type of "lesbian", but I'm pretty sure the big, hairy, masculine ones are still not cool.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

What on earth is going on in here?..

Where are these lesbian impersonators you speak of? I haven't noticed this at all, really.

I've noticed it mainly on social networking sites and on crappy blogs like tumblr... It's not like it's some sort of giant trend yet, but I really do notice some sort of increase in girls calling themselves bisexual or lesbian in the last few months.
Of course this is all a bit subjective, but I was really just wondering if others have noticed this too, to see if it's just not coincidence, and what the explanation would be.
I'm 16, by the way. It could be some sort of age-related thing(very likely to be honest) where girls start getting all experimental, I don't know. But even then I would like to figure out what the whole point of it is... It just seems so ridiculous to jump from one sexual preference to the other.

 

[crippli]

Of course all this behavior could be due to social pressures or cultural evolution or biological evolution or something else I don't know.

Could be. I do know that most parents become hysterical if their male child plays with dolls and princess dresses. They are not so hysterical if girl children play with lego. So already at this age females are nurtured in a more bisexual way, while males are not.

 

[aaaw]

Sexuality is best understood as a conituum with strictly straight at one end and strictly gay on the other. People occupy various (and changing) places on that continuum. Some of that is socially conditioned and some of it is biologically conditioned.

 

[Minuend]

Perhaps it's something that follows a more sexually open society. Sex isn't just about love, it's about immediate pleasure. Some might think themselves bi when enjoying such relations with one of the same kind. Some might not entirely understand the difference. Does it matter though?

Great post, but most studies of homosexuality focus on gay males. So it is probable that what you describe was a study of such.

I think for the most part females are hardwired to crave a deeper show of affection from other females than males are from other males, and it is socially acceptable for female friends to be highly physically affectionate- little girls hold hands, young women often cuddle with eachother etc.

I'm not sure where I am going with this... I lost my point when I got the shudders over the cuddling idea.

meh.

Difficult to say due to the obvious difference in treatment among boys and girls. Girls are still being raised to be more warm and huggly... and stuff.

 

[GottabeKB]

No there's a bacteria that gets into the intestinal lining of the fetus and precipitates a cascade of gene activation and hormonal changes. This was discovered by scientists at UCSB, who call it "homosexualis pylori."

It's why there actually are more gay people now.

Historically pregnant mothers had a relatively limited diet, but nowadays pregnant women get a more diverse nutritional intake with produce and such from around the world. When you eat a mango from the supermarket it probably comes from south america (more exposure to intestinal types of bacteria).

There has been an established correlation between diverse diet in mother and homosexuality in children. It's also why middle class americans "gayest" demographic. Because of the mother's diet.

Ok hold on. Is this a joke? Or are you serious? I laughed at this when I first saw this thinking it was a joke but then somebody responded with a serious answer...

 

[jachian]

personally i think most people have at least a little bi in them. most. at least a little.

What rubbish !!.......................

 

[EyeSeeCold]

I've come across many lesbian/bi experimenters during junior and senior high. Some of them, I do think, are out to impress, while others are just truly experimenting(unless they are certain).

 

[Jennywocky]

Not really, but alright, listen up. I've noticed that it seems to be hip for girls to be 'lesbian' now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against homosexuality, feminism, whatever... But has anybody else noticed this? It just seems really ridiculous to me. Especially the more artistic/scene/alternative girls seem to be trying to stand out these days by choosing to be lesbian or bisexual.

Do you really think this is a new thing?
People have been making this comment since, like, the 80's.

(But, for the record... I am not nor have I ever played a lesbian on TV! Although I have actual lesbian friends, rather than lesbian wannabes. )

I think people might be more apt to explore things on the art scene, and might even be too quick to embrace things, but eventually they'll figure out what they actually want and need, and how their preference aligns. No one wants to do something long-term that they realize isn't actually working for them.

 

[nihilen.]

what a stupid thread.

 

[attar]

I remember reading about one experiment. Scientists set two groups, one of males and the other of females. Both groups had straight, bisexual, and homosexual members. Then scientists gave them male-female, female-female, and male-male porn to watch. Males reacted accordingly to they stated sexual orientation (straight were aroused only by women, gays by men). But it was different with females. No matter their orientation, they were aroused by both genders equally. However they couldn't explain why that happened. Well maybe thats why girls experiment presumably more than guys.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

what a stupid thread.

I kind of regret starting it.

@attar: That's interesting...

@Jennywocky: I had no idea haha

 

[a detached retina]

Ok hold on. Is this a joke? Or are you serious? I laughed at this when I first saw this thinking it was a joke but then somebody responded with a serious answer...

Yeah I made it up, but it sounds plausible right?

 

[Stoic Beverage]

its just a new little show-off trick to get the attention of the boys

Unless all girls who do this are prepared to have a steamy threesome with me after a romp around town, then I am forced to conclude that all women are mind-shatteringly cruel.

 

[Fukyo]

I remember reading about one experiment. Scientists set two groups, one of males and the other of females. Both groups had straight, bisexual, and homosexual members. Then scientists gave them male-female, female-female, and male-male porn to watch. Males reacted accordingly to they stated sexual orientation (straight were aroused only by women, gays by men). But it was different with females. No matter their orientation, they were aroused by both genders equally. However they couldn't explain why that happened. Well maybe thats why girls experiment presumably more than guys.

Indeed, I've heard of this study before.


http://pss.sagepub.com/content/15/11/736.short

We assessed genital and subjective sexual arousal to male and female sexual stimuli in women, men, and postoperative male-to-female transsexuals. In contrast to men, women showed little category specificity on either the genital or the subjective measure. Both heterosexual and homosexual women experienced strong genital arousal to both male and female sexual stimuli.

I've read another paper that referenced this study and explained this by defining sexual orientation as subjective, and it may really be. There are also studies that prove women's neurons fire just as quickly as men's when exposed to erotic images, while the women still maintained they did not find the images as appealing as men did.


http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/003526.html

A great deal of past research has suggested that men are more visual creatures than women and get more aroused by erotic images than women. Anokhin says the fact that the women's brains in this study exhibited such a quick response to erotic pictures suggests that, perhaps for evolutionary reasons, our brains are programmed to preferentially respond to erotic material.

"Usually men subjectively rate erotic material much higher than women," he says. "So based on those data we would expect lower responses in women, but that was not the case. Women have responses as strong as those seen in men."

 

[Cavallier]

Initially I wanted to write this thread off as "stupid" but I've now decided that it was written out of vague frustration and a lack of knowledge. It is a statement of realization and curiosity coupled with the consternation of being sexually frustrated.

Personally, it's not a matter of gender. Gender is just one aspect of a person after all. I've been attracted to both men and women in the past. There are traits I'm very attracted to regardless of gender. It's part physical fitness, appealing personality, wittiness, and independence. If a person has that certain je ne sais quoi then I like them regardless of gender. Although, I have to admit that the women I've been attracted to were a little more forceful and capable in more masculine sort of way. They are generally considered masculine by my western culture at least. Give me a women who knows what she wants and takes it with a rocking body and I'm smitten. Then again it's the same with men. I value strength and capability, wit and cleverness as I stated earlier.

Having said that I've only ever dated men. The individual I've ultimately chosen as my mate for the foreseeable future is male. I've only had sex with men. For me there has been a lack of opportunity. Most of the women I've known who did not strictly consider themselves straight were not interested in me and I was not interested in them. Had the right girl come along and actually been interested in me I might be getting hand-fasted to her instead of my current fiance. Who knows?

What does all this mean? Am I gay? Straight? Bi? These are tiny boxes that fail to encapsulate me or the people I'm attracted to.

Here's where I get on my soap box:

Are there more girls today than in the past who are playing around with the idea of being a lesbian? Possibly. Why is it this question/observation is almost always followed up with questions about whether or not these girls are slutty/loose/morally reprehensible and questions about their value based on their willingness to have threesomes involving a man despite them having just advertised that they are lesbians? I think these are less interesting questions and actually rather boring, typical, and tiresome. Instead I wonder what it means for society that the gay community is getting discriminated against less. Hell, it's cool for girls to pretend they are gay and even an accepted way to then catch male attention? It's not as good as it could be but there are more and growing areas in the USA where it's acceptable and even cool to be gay. More today than ever before in the US. I can only hope that some day our children (or if luck would have it we ourselves) will be able to look back and wonder what the hell we were thinking discriminating against the gay community just as we now look back at the Jim Crow laws and wonder what was wrong with our racist grandparents. How can we allow ourselves to accept a world where a man or woman is attacked because they dared to do the nasty with someone of their own gender? It's dictatorial to punish someone based on who they are sexually attracted to.

/rant

*folds up soapbox and marches away*

 

[Jesse]

I fall on the assumption that it is a cultural thing combined with the fact that human's can be turned on by anything. Everyone is a bi to a degree and we live in a culture where females are celebrated or at least slightly encouraged by society and to a degree by males to be a bit more experimental towards sexuality while males, the line between bi and straight is much more black and white.

I know in Japan it is a more cultural; thing for women to be turned on by male to male relationships and hence I assume their "gay" rates would be much higher.

 

[Dimensional Transition]

Initially I wanted to write this thread off as "stupid" but I've now decided that it was written out of vague frustration and a lack of knowledge. It is a statement of realization and curiosity coupled with the consternation of being sexually frustrated.

Yeah, don't worry. I don't have anything against anyone, I'm an INTP after all.
It was just something I was wondering about. I get what you mean though.