Drinking?>

[Chimera]

haha chimera, no worries... my reasons for saying that were not how they appeared. I'd be cluttering up the thread with babble if I tried to explain myself, though.

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That's cruel. D:
You can't say something like that and expect me to be like "Oh, psh, I don't care."
It might be babble, but it would be interesting babble.
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[Ermine]

*tenses up*. eeh... I'm thinkin you may have touched a sore spot there fernando...

Blunt? Certainly, but it's not very productive to sidestep around the question. If you're wondering, I don't do this to people in real life because it's a really sore spot for people who care about avoiding the root of the issue for the sake of preserving good feelings.

 

[fullerene]

ok sorry... was busy last night.

No chimera, haha I guess that is a tad cruel. I ought to remedy it.

It has nothing to do with the bluntness or truth of the statement... it's just not productive. If you've ever seen Dr. Phil, with that "you know what you need to do? How 'bout you go get off your lazy ass and get yourself a job" speech, you should know that I've heard psychologists say that that's the most harmful thing you can say to someone who's too depressed to work. Sometimes people are just lazy... but in that case motivation is not the "root of the issue," as you call it.

I sort of sensed it's the same thing here. AI's said before that he drinks and hates himself later for it... if all he needs is to just "get up and stop drinking," I'm sure it would have been done long ago. And if someone says "why don't you just stop?" it's bad for a couple of reasons. The first is that it sounds like you're insulting his ideas... because the only way it helps is if he's like "oh, duh! I never thought of just stopping before. I guess I'll just do that, then." And if you're not insulting his ability to think up that possible remedy, then you're insulting his willpower to carry it through. The last thing someone who gets upset at themselves for something like drinking needs to hear is "well why don't you just do something about it?" If he's thought of it before and wants to stop, then it's just needling at his willpower.

Then if that's true, he's about the last type of person you would ever want to rub a sore spot like that with. If I'm reading this right, he drinks to forget how much he doesn't like himself/life, and doesn't like himself/life even more after he drinks--the inescapable spiral. To say "why not try quitting" to someone who takes it personally is to cause them to drink more--almost certainly. So, of course that's not necessarily who he is or how he takes things at all... but weigh the odds. If he's that kind of person, it would almost certainly do damage (more so depending on how close you are to him--which can't be very, because you're just a person on the forum... but it still might hurt). If he's not, then at best, I think you've broken even. If he wants to, what are the chances he's both never thought about trying to quit and also never given it a try? It just seems impractical, that in the worst case you could do a lot of harm, and in the best case you could break even at having no effect.


So (to answer chimera's question), that's why I even stopped to point out that you may have touched a sore spot. It was not for you that I mentioned it, but for the hypothetical situation I just explained. In the case that he felt significantly worse after having it suggested that he just quit, he'd immediately see that someone else understood, even if you didn't. In the case that it didn't affect him at all, everyone just *shrugs*, I say "sorry, I guess I misread you," and nothing changes. If I'm completely off-base, everything breaks even... and if I'm not completely off-base, a lot of the damage is just healed over instantly. Perhaps you wouldn't really know, if you've never been in some kind of similar situation... but the absolute best and most encouraging thing that can ever happen to you is someone who understands--who really understands... not like the SFJs who would say they understand and try to imitate our half-existent feelings, but someone who knows a bit of what's going through your head and doesn't immediately judge you for it.

So that's what I was going for... nothing against the bluntness or the hunt for the root of the problem that you had, but just a sort of damage-control against a possible hypothetical situation that may have just been entirely Ne-dreamed. But in the worst case it helps, and in the best case it broke even, so I went with it--it was nothing personal against your suggestion. ...not to mention that I really did think there was a good chance you hit a sore spot.

.....on a side note, Decaf, I'm beginning to see what you meant when you said that Ti-dominant thoughts would be incomprehensible if they were explained in words to the outside world. That went through my head in about the 3/4 of a second it took to decide to point out that that may have been a bad choice to bring up.

 

[Chimera]

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Oh yes, I totally deduced all that from a vague one-liner post. ;P ​

That's interesting; I do understand what you mean. Even though it might not have helped AI even if he went through what you described. . .like I said, it would be hard to understand all of that from your initial post.
I do believe your concern is logical, but as AI hasn't posted about it yet, I don't know if you're correct.
Thanks for explaining. (:
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[severus]

I may be just reiterating what you said, but hey,

Why don't you just stop (harmful activity)? is definately the worst possible thing a person could ever say. You would think a dermatologist would realize that I'm not obsessively picking my pimples because I'm bored..
Ahem, point is obviously no one is doing (harmful activity) by choice/of their own free will, so telling them to just stop is as about as helpful as telling a sick person to "just get better."

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

They say beer will make me dumb. It are go good with pizza.

 

[Chronomar]

I am extreamly protective of my braincells and my health. I also was in a school that had a DARE program come almost every month. Usually, I'm not that much into following rules or promises, but at a young (and impressionable) age, I decided never to drink. I'm too stubborn to change my mind, so that's the way it's going to stay.

 

[Cabbo Pearimo]

I barely drink anymore. I'm too lazy. Yes, that's right; too lazy to drink.

 

[Pixie]

Maybe once a year at a family gathering I'll have one beer but never end up finishing it, or a sip of someone else's. Apart from that, I don't drink alcohol. It doesn't appeal to me. I will consume a beverage for two reasons; I'm thirsty, or it tastes nice. I don't find alcohol particularly tasty, and I couldn't comfortably drink enough of it to become drunk because I don't need much liquids. I don't understand how people could drink say, a dozen cans. Is it somehow different with alcohol? Because after even a large glass of water or two, I feel very full and sick just thinking about more glasses.
I think that there is mainly three reasons that people drink alcohol...
1. To drown their sorrows, which doesn't really make sense to me because alcohol is a "downer".
2. To make themselves more extroverted and "fun", but I'm content with my introversion and I don't put myself into situations where I'd have to be extroverted.
3. Because they're at a party and all their friends are doing it, but I was never one to submit to peer pressure, let alone actually attend a party.

 

[Ogion]

Mature position, i see it as you do, stay with it

Ogion

 

[severus]

@Pixie
I frequently see beer advertised as not filling you up. Maybe just here in the States though, I dunno.

 

[nihilen.]

I drink six days a week

I rest on the seventh.

 

[Hammett]

I drink six days a week

I rest on the seventh.

Soft

 

[sagewolf]

I live in Ireland. Enough said?

Actually, I don't drink that much. I've been allowed (by my parents) since I was about 15, even though that only amounted to a glass of wine on special occasions. Now I'm actually drinking age and it's nothing special. I mean, I'll go out and have a pint, but I have no desire to get completely drunk (apart from blind curiosity as to what it's like. Maybe I'll do it once and leave it at that). I know other people who drink to get drunk and I don't understand that.

 

[nihilen.]

You bring shame to the Irish nation.

 

[soolka]

I'm amazed that many here do not like the taste of beer or wine. Maybe you just haven't had anything good. It's an acquired taste, like coffee, about which so many of you wax poetic in this forum. Typically, people who like coffee also like beer. That being said, all in moderation, and I'm one to talk (write). I've had issues with alcohol most of life. I also did a lot of drugs when I was young and dumb, which I seriously regret now, especially when I can't remember words, the names of writers, etc....

 

[sagewolf]

You bring shame to the Irish nation.

I know. I am such a drag at parties and stuff. ...Not that I ever go.

I don't like coffee either, actually! I like tea. I'm accustomed to wine now, and I can manage beer. i would agree that it's acquired, and I don't think only drinking a bit of it at a time helps. The trick, I think, is 'slogoga fada': long gulps instead of sips.

 

[nihilen.]

I know. I am such a drag at parties and stuff. ...Not that I ever go.

I don't like coffee either, actually! I like tea. I'm accustomed to wine now, and I can manage beer. i would agree that it's acquired, and I don't think only drinking a bit of it at a time helps. The trick, I think, is 'slogoga fada': long gulps instead of sips.

I am very outgoing at parties.

I just always get drunk. How can somebody not enjoy that ?

 

[sagewolf]

The hangover the next morning, simply put. I can't enjoy anything that will cause me discomfort later. The way i see it, i don't know what I'm missing when I miss it, so I'd rather not know being drunk than know a hangover. *shrugs* I dunno. I'm too self-conscious to let myself be drunk anyway-- who knows what I'd do? A boy wandered into the girls' bathroom last year and asked me what I was doing in the boys'. A little buzz is nice but I don't want to make a complete ass of myself.

 

[Ogion]

I'm amazed that many here do not like the taste of beer or wine. Maybe you just haven't had anything good. It's an acquired taste, like coffee, about which so many of you wax poetic in this forum. Typically, people who like coffee also like beer. That being said, all in moderation, and I'm one to talk (write). I've had issues with alcohol most of life. I also did a lot of drugs when I was young and dumb, which I seriously regret now, especially when I can't remember words, the names of writers, etc....

Hm, i would disagree that my dislike of beer comes from not having tasted the good ones, i mean, i am from Germany...
It's not that i hate it, but i don't love the taste neither, Guiness was ok (ok, this does not come from Germany )

@nihilen
Perhaps we don't enjoy that because we don't want to loose control/sanity and we are certainly not outgoing at parties...I think if you make a poll here 90% will answer "I am not outgoing at parties and i don't like them very much"

Ogion

 

[sagewolf]

There are actually a couple threads dedicated to how we deal with having to be at those things (parties).

Hm, i would disagree that my dislike of beer comes from not having tasted the good ones, i mean, i am from Germany...
It's not that i hate it, but i don't love the taste neither, Guiness was ok (ok, this does not come from Germany )

Fear our Euro-ability to not enjoy booze. Yeah, alcohol is really bitter; I don't like it, but I can drink it without making a face, so I have a pint or two now and then, whenever I go out somewhere. It's not like Coke is any better for me.

 

[moonpie]

Drinking good. Drinking bad. Above all, drinking fun.

I get the liguid courage thing sometimes. I get the lonely brooding sometimes. I get the outgoing sometimes. It can sometimes bring out that EFSJ monster thing if you have had too much. I basically started this year by drinking every single night.

One thing good I have to say is that it is really the best way to find a lay, but is even then tricky sometimes.

It's a balancing act, fo sho, but what isn't?

Also, where else can you get rad stories like a group of us got wasted and ended up riding the horses of a giant statue in my town. Also, a week ago my buddy and I got wasted on nos energy drink and crappy vodka and ended up throwing everything we could see at his hairless cat and missing by ten feet every time. That was pure entertainment. Also, if any of you are wondering what it is like to do coke, just drink a bunch of nos-same thing without "the drip".

Actually, I am probably going to get wasted tonight, because it will be my last wednesday in town and my favorite bartender at the bar down the street works on wednesdays. Oh, nother good story, I was drunk with my roomie at that same bar and she took down a Marine. In the bar!

It's definitely a good test of regret-management...

Did I mention fun?

Oh, and screw wine! You want to talk about a devil? Wine.

"Oh no, I'm totally cool."
An hour or two after normal alcohol would hit you after you kept drinking because none of it was hitting you...
"Gah, I hate you! I hate the world! I love you! I love the world! Let's go drive a car!"
Yeah, wine sucks.

Also, wisp, who's the other one?

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

I am very outgoing at parties.

I just always get drunk. How can somebody not enjoy that ?

The older you get, the worse the hangovers get. At least for me and many others I know. In my early 20s, I put down a fifth of some liquor (usually Beam) every night. Now if I get that drunk, it will be at least a week before I could even smell a beer without getting nauseous. Probably 6 months before I could drink more than a 3 or 4 on any given night.

 

[Pepper]

If it wasn't for booze I don't think I could make it through some days.

 

[nihilen.]

The older you get, the worse the hangovers get. At least for me and many others I know. In my early 20s, I put down a fifth of some liquor (usually Beam) every night. Now if I get that drunk, it will be at least a week before I could even smell a beer without getting nauseous. Probably 6 months before I could drink more than a 3 or 4 on any given night.

The trick is probably to never stop ; )

 

[Inappropriate Behavior]

The trick is probably to never stop ; )

I didn't really want to stop (and I haven't stopped entirely, just scaled way back) but my body made me. Antother reason to hate my body not based on looks.

 

[Fordy]

Being a teenager in the north of England, drink is a neccessity. If a party doesn't involve alcohol, it probably wouldn't be classed as a party, just a dull get together.

I myself don't mind beer. I can easily knock it back if I want, but usually it isn't enogh to get me drunk (since I'm a slow drinker). That's why I like to have some stronger stuff too, like Vodka or Whiskey or whatever I can get my hands on really.

On another forum, which was basically full of anti-drinkers, one asked me why I do it, and I casually replied "It helps me get some confidence at parties", to which he replied "If you need alcohol to get some confidence, you need to be going to some confidence-building-classes." With that kind of attitude I may as well of told him to go to 'loosening up classes'. >_>

I drink because in groups I'm usually quiet, and quiet people aren't entertaining, nor do they have much fun! Drinking brings out the extrovert in me. But that's all it brings out, I think. If I'm not blabbering on about something, I go right back to my analytical INTP self, but just in a much smaller and less effective way. Often I think about how the drink is effecting me, but then I just turn my mind off and get on with whatever I'm doing, not actually listening to my mind. Which is good, because it's nice to escape the constant thoughts every now and then.

 

[Agent Intellect]

anyone else ever notice that if you drink with a few other people, the hangover doesn't seem to be as bad as when you drink by yourself? of course, i might be the only one that drinks by themself here.

 

[Fordy]

I dont think I've ever drunk by myself. Then again, I can't just buy alcohol whenever I want. I'll end up doing it one day, probably... It sounds like fun. :P

 

[sofloluke]

sorry i know this is an old thread but how can any of you talk negatively about drinking? don't most intp's wish they had more of an outgoing relationship with people? i know i do. ill admit that i drink probably 5 or 6 drinks on weekdays and drink until inebriation on weekends. most would call me an alcoholic but if im not in the mood i dont drink at all. the thing is that i love communicating with other people but its awkward and i usually analyze the conversation while it happens and end up saying some stupid shit...not so much when you drink. there is a reason that they call it a social lubricant. i know its a crutch but its better than isolation. if anyone knows a healthy alternative i would love to hear how they overcame their timidness. this post probably sounds immature..and ill admit that relying on alcohol for help is a weakness, but for this intp its a blessing in disguise as long as its not abused.

 

[fullerene]

wait, wait..... how did you come to the conclusion that "isolation" (or, at least, social-ineptitude--no one's forcing you to let that keep you isolated) was less-healthy or worse for you than drinking constantly?

 

[brain enclosed in flesh]

sorry i know this is an old thread but how can any of you talk negatively about drinking? don't most intp's wish they had more of an outgoing relationship with people? i know i do. ill admit that i drink probably 5 or 6 drinks on weekdays and drink until inebriation on weekends. most would call me an alcoholic but if im not in the mood i dont drink at all. the thing is that i love communicating with other people but its awkward and i usually analyze the conversation while it happens and end up saying some stupid shit...not so much when you drink. there is a reason that they call it a social lubricant. i know its a crutch but its better than isolation. if anyone knows a healthy alternative i would love to hear how they overcame their timidness. this post probably sounds immature..and ill admit that relying on alcohol for help is a weakness, but for this intp its a blessing in disguise as long as its not abused.

You know, I used to be the exact same way. Then I started to realize that I was making an even bigger ass of myself when I was drunk, and that was even harder to deal with. And don't worry about being immature. I was 33 when I made this realization.

Healthy alternative? I wish I could give you a good, honest answer. I'm married and I have kids so I have built-in friends. I guess I just started to realize that the people who truly do like me are the ones who meet me when I'm sober or relatively so, not when I'm obnoxiously drunk. And then I killed a friendship with one of those people when I was obnoxiously drunk and it continues to be a terrible feeling.

I've started to allow myself to be who I authentically am. If I'd rather stay home and read a book about the origin of American English, then I don't hate myself for being a lame nerdy loser. I just enjoy it.

 

[boomkablamo]

Since the age of 14 I've gotten drunk at every opportunity, no matter what time, or no matter what preoccupations I may have.

It's put me in the hospital for a self mutilation related injury.

Luckily though... I guess... My income is extremely limited and I'd much rather burn one than get drunk... so it's more of a party thing, or when I'm chillin with the guys.

It seems in my dull, extremely unsatisfying life the only joy I can find in it anymore is getting altered...

 

[sofloluke]

thanks for the replies everybody. cryptonia, i see what you are saying but i what i had in mind was more physical health than emotional health. i would love to have the same uninhibited behavior as being drunk without fucking up my body in the long run. to address what you said about social ineptitude and isolation, i agree that it doesn't feel unhealthy but i think we could all benefit some from more meaningful connections with people.
brain enclosed, thanks for the reply. i have to say i too don't hate myself and don't mind staying home being a 'nerd'. actually thats what i usually do haha. i just feel like i'm missing out on life, i can stay home and learn everything i ever had a passion about...but it feels like its all for nothing if you just keep it all to yourself.
oh and sorry everybody for just bursting onto the forum like an ass in my very first post, but it was the first thing i have read on here that was the total opposite of what i thought.

 

[brain enclosed in flesh]

no ass-bursting was committed. I understand completely what you mean about learning about your passion and feeling like it's all for nothing if you keep it to yourself. The thing is, though, when I share it, most people could care less. Most people are not interested in what I am interested in. For example, my husband's eyes go blank when I start talking about what I'm excited about. Similarly, my eyes reel into the back of my head when he talks about the same three things he has talked about in the fourteen years that I have known him.

In other words, we find other things that we are both mildly into (but not passionate about) to share together. I used to consider this a problem, but now I think it's best. Because otherwise you become resentful that the other isn't interested or you think they must be wrong for you because they aren't interested or they think you're a jerk for not being interested in their thing.

So what do I do about sharing my interests? I write- or, er, I research. Everything I've read in the last couple of years I consider research for my novel. Transferring newfound knowledge into something tangible makes me feel like I'm doing something with it. It makes it more rewarding and meaningful. Do you do anything with what you learn?

 

[Agent Intellect]

hi, i'm Tom, and i'm an alcoholic. i've been sober for a little over a week now.

for me, drinking has always been about feeling different or other then myself. being me isn't always all too bearable, so i'd drink to feel different, and to quiet the inner monologue. the problem with drinking is that it only furthers the depression: i drink because i hate myself and i hate myself even more for drinking. it was always the strangest thing for me, because i could tell myself on the way to the liquor store that i shouldn't drink, that it was a bad idea and it would make me feel like shit, but i did it anyway. i couldn't rationalize myself out of it.

the hardest part about not drinking is that i feel so bored and unmotivated. when i drank, it was like liquid courage, and it helped me feel motivated to do something. the problem is, that feeling lasts for 30 minutes, maybe an hour, then the depression returns and i'm stuck being drunk. i think that hour of actually feeling happy and motivated was the addiction, not the alcohol itself (ie if i had some other way of attaining that feeling, i'd probably become addicted to that).

this is the longest i've been sober in probably over a year, and i must say, i've been feeling incredibly unmotivated and extremely antisocial since i've stopped, but each passing day becomes a little easier to not run to the liquor store and buy a fifth of five dollar rot gut.

 

[sagewolf]

i would love to have the same uninhibited behavior as being drunk without fucking up my body in the long run. to address what you said about social ineptitude and isolation, i agree that it doesn't feel unhealthy but i think we could all benefit some from more meaningful connections with people.

I've never been drunk, so I don't know what interacting with people when I am is like, but it's not that hard to learn to interact with people naturally without alcohol as a crutch--disengage the Ti and let the Ne take hold. It's easier to do that with NPs, though, because they have Ne too, and they're generally just more fun than other people, in my experience. It takes practice, I admit, and I have to be in a certain mood before I do it, but I do have really extraverted days when this is almost all I do, more and more often lately.

(Lots of people jump in and start posting; don't worry. Although kudos for reading so much-- I know when I came here I didn't dig up seven-month-old threads to get a feel for the place. I was far less exacting. )

AI-- I get the same happy feeling (for maybe a little longer) when I finish a drawing (my own project) and think 'that's that done'. I find enormous satisfaction from looking at a drawing I've done, or a story I've written, of my ow initiative, and thinking, 'I did that.' It takes significantly longer to get that feeling than it does to get drunk, though, so I don't know if I'm helping. Maybe if you found a hobby that took up time that way, it would help? I dunno; I'm out of my depth here.

 

[cheese]

I like drinking. One of my main aims in life is to make more money so I can buy more alcohol. I've never had a hangover so that hasn't been an issue for me.

I don't really know what my motivation is. I don't actually like being drunk, although it's interesting to observe while it's happening. I think possibly the main attraction is the mindlessness of downing beer after beer, and the challenge of seeing how much I can take. It's not social pressure, and I don't require it for extroversion.

If anything I'm addicted to the act of drinking, not the feelings or the greater ease in interaction. Like most of the others here I don't like being out of control. I'm just compulsive and easily addicted to things. I'm drinking less now to preserve my brain; there wasn't much to start with and my mind has slipped.

 

[QSR]

Hmmm interesting that this thread popped up. I think I spent 5 of the last 7 nights getting drunk, so I'd have to say I'm leaning towards having a substance abuse problem. I'm going to try to get off it because I want to get into shape for the summer hiking season, but it will take some willpower.

Fortunately I am not really prone to physical addictions (aside from caffeine.) I know I've been drinking so much lately because basically I can get away with it.

I don't have a job right now and I'm forced to sit around by myself unless I go out and find other drunks to hang out with. Plus I have some hobbies like poker that lends itself to drinking, and I'm into dance music and I'm incapable of having fun at a club without being pretty lit up.

At least I know my tolerance has gotten pretty high. But I definitely worry about my liver, since I've been a binge drinker since I was 18 (I'm 32 now.) I find it very hard to "just have one or two." If I do something, I feel like doing it to the best of my ability..lol.

I actually went about 6 months a couple years ago without drinking at all. Maybe I need to do that again just to ensure I can be healthy again.

P.S. I love that I can say this kind of thing on this forum. I've had a couple of SJ-types tell me lately that I'm basically a worthless human being because I "party" too much. In their world I'm supposed to be married and have kids by 32, so I'm bucking a trend. I may have to start another thread about the comments I've gotten lately. Not that they aren't at least partly right...

 

[QSR]

I like drinking. One of my main aims in life is to make more money so I can buy more alcohol. I've never had a hangover so that hasn't been an issue for me.

I don't really know what my motivation is. I don't actually like being drunk, although it's interesting to observe while it's happening. I think possibly the main attraction is the mindlessness of downing beer after beer, and the challenge of seeing how much I can take. It's not social pressure, and I don't require it for extroversion.

If anything I'm addicted to the act of drinking, not the feelings or the greater ease in interaction. Like most of the others here I don't like being out of control. I'm just compulsive and easily addicted to things. I'm drinking less now to preserve my brain; there wasn't much to start with and my mind has slipped.

I really enjoy being drunk. It's the only way I can lose self-consciousness enough to let my somewhat wilder side show. Otherwise I feel like I would miss out on stuff I really enjoy doing, but can't do around other people sober.

 

[Tyria]

I don't drink, but I don't mind being around others that do.

 

[cheese]

I really enjoy being drunk. It's the only way I can lose self-consciousness enough to let my somewhat wilder side show. Otherwise I feel like I would miss out on stuff I really enjoy doing, but can't do around other people sober.

Interesting. My greatest joy when drunk is to control myself and pretend I'm not. It's a challenge. The real draw is in the drinking not its effect.

Perhaps some people have no wilder side. Or perhaps they have less self-consciouness and therefore less of a need to strip it. I'm not sure what the answers are.

 

[Mars]

Interesting. My greatest joy when drunk is to control myself and pretend I'm not. It's a challenge. The real draw is in the drinking not its effect.

Perhaps some people have no wilder side. Or perhaps they have less self-consciouness and therefore less of a need to strip it. I'm not sure what the answers are.

either way we are going to have a lot of fun.

Fun alcoholic fact: Guinness is given to advanced terminal cancer patients as a diet supplement. Not in a small way either, it practically replaces their entire diet.

Which is why when out drinking it's a pint of stout for the night or lemon lime and bitters for me.

I did get drunk once when in a safe place, straight vodka. That was interesting when I was there, however my balance or my confidence in it was considerably shaken and it took me about a week to come to almost regain the same level of precision coordination with the whole body. Not drinking for health at all so it is likely to never happen ever ever again.

 

[Gluon the Ferengi]

Drinking has become another activity of collection and systematization for me. I become as familiar with as many types of liquors and flavors as possible.

I rarely become drunk, but like to enjoy my drinks with meals. Pairing with foods and using them in cooking is part of the fun. It is an exercise in epicurean moderation.

Getting buzzed can help me be more social in a pinch.

I've actually observed that a couple of drinks makes me more effective at certain types of cognition.
When I drink just enough, I'm still 90% clearheaded and I'm no longer constantly overanalyzing and second guessing myself.

I've tried timed sudoku puzzles while sober and after a couple drinks. I got by far the better times and more accurate results with alcohol.
Same result with timed rosetta stone Japanese lessons.

 

[Gluon the Ferengi]

Cheese,

I too on the occasions I've been drunk have strained to maintain situational awareness, just to see what I extent I could. I would calmly note how the world would seem to swirl about if I got up to walk anywhere and try to 'look through it' as if to see clearly again. Then I would figure it was about time to stop drinking.

 

[cheese]

^Hah, yes. I'm an envelope-pusher with stupid things though which gives me a cyclic effect with alcohol (in out in out ad nauseum).

Yes, some skill-based things do improve when buzzed. I'm a lot better at pool when I've had some. Haven't tried sudoku when tipsy; I'll do that next. (Welcome btw!)

I think alcohol probably shuts Ti up and allows Ne to surface more.

Mars:
Can alcohol give you liver cancer or something? It would be ironic if it did.

 

[Deleted member 1424]

I will occasionally get drunk with with a few friends. There are some drinks that taste really good ex: white Russians or orange juice w/ vodka. I've never thrown up, blacked out, or had a hangover(aren't I a lucky bastard). I always remain very self-aware and I can tell exactly how much I can handle. In general it makes me very happy and somewhat goofy I don't really understand some of the other people's aversion too it. If your smart about where and how much you drink it can be a very positive experience. It does make ddr exceptionally difficult though :P

 

[Beat Mango]

I used to have hangups about drinking. When I was in high school, pretty much everyone else used to get pissed on the weekends at parties then come back on Monday with their stories. I thought I was taking a higher stance, both morally and practically, by not participating.

Sine then though, my attitude has changed quite a bit. I love the feeling that comes with drinking, especially in the right context, such as after a long day at work, at a celebratory party etc. There's no doubt it helps me socialise too, losing my inhibitions and acting as a social lubricant. I don't enjoy getting drunk anymore, although there was a time when it provided some entertainment and gave me somethign to distract myself with (like smoking, I also enjoyed the social aspects of getting drunk. People thought it was cool and accepted you much easier if you got drunk, hungover or had stories of getting drunk). Now I prefer to drink in moderation, a couple of drinks is plenty for the most part.

I've also worked for a couple of years at bottleshops, and have come to appreciate the finer aspects of wine appreciation. There is a whole world of wine out there, people devote their lives to it and I think it might be interesting to other INTPs too, as it's not something we can ever "solve" - it's something that needs constant refining and really something you can sink your teeth into.

 

[Mars]

Mars:
Can alcohol give you liver cancer or something? It would be ironic if it did.

I don't know the change in probabilities that can arise from it, I'd say it's possible but I'm convinced that you're more likely to develop stomach ulcers.

However I do not have any concrete proof of that opinion so officially it's, pie in the sky.

 

[Beat Mango]

Red wine is good for health

Actually there was a study I read about recently where people who did not drink any alcohol at all were the least healthy.