Dominant Ne: what does it mean?

[brain enclosed in flesh]

All of this MBTI business is making me lose my mind.
So I've taken and retaken multiple tests. Usually I come up INTP, but sometimes I come up INFP, which isn't exactly odd because I am very borderline on the T/F thing.

Then I did the cognitive processes test to clear things up. It said I was an INTP, but the thing is that my Ne is through the roof while my Fi is barely below my Ti. In other words, the Ne is most definitely dominant.

Discovered that the type with dominant Ne is ENFP. Let me say, in many ways I relate to the ENFP- I get way into my 'latest' project, but often drop it before I'm finished because something new comes up that seems to be the answer. I hate having to do the required things of life- chores, etc- I will avoid them at all costs. And, unfortunately, I care way too much what others who I like/respect think of me, though I try to deny it.

The issue is- I'm pretty damn introverted. I test high on I. I love spending time alone. People wipe me out. I have to drink to be social, otherwise I feel like I don't know how to talk. And of any of the forums I've checked out, I relate more to the posts of the INTPs than anyone. The ENFPs seem so... . The INFPs seem so...

As a teenager I know I tested INFP, but I have always been a bit of a nerd, and have been hurt by others.

So the question is, I guess, how important is the dominant Ne? (Am I a damaged ENFP?)
And then also... why do I give a shit? Does that mean something, personality type wise? Because I am not getting anything else done... And it's getting annoying...

 

[Red Mage]

The way it works is that if your dominant function is extraverted, like Ne, then you're an extravert. I've taken the processes test like six times and my Ne is always the highest. Once I got INTP, two or three times I got ENTP (which has dominant Ne) and a couple times I got INFP. I never got ENFP, though that always seems like an option. I consider myself an introvert, though.

The best that can be said is that this whole thing isn't perfect, or that a person can develop their secondary function even though it's still not their primary function. Kind of counter-intuitive.

 

[brain enclosed in flesh]

okay so then why, if my extraverted intuiting was highest, did it say that I was an INTP?

my results were like this: Ne Ti Fi Si. (I feel like I should be in The Sound of Music singing that.)

 

[Red Mage]

It was explained to me right here. Basically, it takes into account all of your preferences, not just your highest-scored. Since three of your top four were I, then you must be introverted.

Edit: To clarify, in my post above, I said if your dominant fuction is extraverted, then you're extraverted. I didn't mean it was necessarily your most-developed function. It's possible Ne isn't your dominant function, either Ti or Fi is, but that your Ne is more developed. Or that the processes test isn't perfect or that you are more aware of your Ne and thus overvalued it over your Fi or Ti in the test. Trust me when I say I'm in the exact same boat. I score higher in Ne, I'm most probably introverted, and I don't know if I'm more Fi or Ti.

 

[brain enclosed in flesh]

So that's what the little 'i's and little 'e's mean! Get it. So basically I have spent my whole day questioning what has been repeated to me over and over again. I am a dork. Thanks.

 

[Razare]

Look at the different possibilities here:

INTP is Ti Ne Si Fe
INFP is Fi Ne Si Te
ENFP is Ne Fi Te Si
ENTP is Ne Ti Fe Si

Your T and F are balanced, meaning you make decisions using either depending on the circumstances. All of these have an extroverted intuition which you express to the world and use in communication.

When you're not communicating openly, and considering things internally, either emotionally or logically, then it's safe to say you're being an INXP. When you become highly communicative and expressive using your intuition, to the point it overshadows any internal thoughts, then you might be acting as an ENXP. I would say it depends on where you naturally stay and feel comfortable. Perseus on here has expressed his view that people can be any personality, but the personality they label themselves with should be the one they are most often, and feel most comfortable in. I agree with this because I can flip into INTJ mode now and then, expressing my thoughts, while keeping my intuition and feelings hidden. I always come back to INTP, though.

 

[Gorgrim]

my results were like this: Ne Ti Fi Si. (I feel like I should be in The Sound of Music singing that.)

Corresponds directly to the ENTP ( except for Fi that technically should be Fe in the same place )


if going by NE strongest SI weakest.

in the percieving ( Sensing intuition ) the dichotomies of N and S mean that the 4 functions that you do tend to use will have 'e' or 'i' thus the one outside of the 4 functions will be the other side of dichotomy and have changed the I or E behind the letter

Don't take too investment in the MBTI before you look at how well it fits, one of the easiest things to test seem to be Intuition or Sensing, and Percieving or Judging. Go from there. figure out how long you go without human contact - if u already did this.. then i'm just sayin alot of crap but I don't have much to do right now

 

[Ermine]

I'm kind of in the same boat. My four strongest functions are Ne Ti (both tied), then Ni and Fi. By this alone you could say I'm part ENTP, INTP, INTJ, and INFP. However, most of my strongest functions are introverted, so I can assume I'm overall introverted. It's process of elimination. I'm a much stronger thinker than feeler so I'd have to be a thinker, and though I have fairly strong Ni like an INTJ, my Te (another INTJ strong point) is pathetic. Therefore, I'm INTP.

Here in the INTP forum we call people with uncommon function orders prancing chocolate cheese cows.

Eight Functions Thread: http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=1733&highlight=chocolate+cheese+cows&page=3

 

[del]

Ne dominants tend to be more associative and "brainstormy" in their thought processes.

Ti dominants tend to be a bit more restrained, critical, and thorough in their thought processes.

An ENTP will often be "associative and brainstormy" at the expense of being restrained, critical, and thorough. Likewise, an INTP will often be more restained, critical, and thorough at the expense of being associative and brainstormy.

That's really the only difference. Jung's original definitions of "introversion" and "extroversion" don't really match up with how we think of them today, so you could definitely be an Ne dominant but not really like people that much.

I'll reference YouTube for examples:
Ne: YouTube- Dr. Manhattan's Dangle and Brain Crack
Ti: YouTube- INTP

 

[brain enclosed in flesh]

Ne dominants tend to be more associative and "brainstormy" in their thought processes.

Ti dominants tend to be a bit more restrained, critical, and thorough in their thought processes.

I think I do both of these equally, which is what makes it so damn hard for me to complete writing my novel, not to mention make conclusions about anything. It's like these two sides are constantly wrestling with each other.

I looked over my results again and my Ti and Ne are way closer together than I thought- Ti's just barely lagging behind. The distance between Ti and Fi is greater than the distance between Ne and Ti. I think I want to be more of a Fi than I really am, being a writer of fiction and liking to play music and all. I know I read on one thread, I think the one Mac OS referred to, that people generally test first what they want to be versus what they really are. But Fi is also my third highest score which I suppose could skew things.

Reread all of the descriptions of the personality types and I would have to say that INTP suits me best. Guess I'm an INTP with an extra strong Ne and a healthy dose of Fi.

It's hard not to laugh at that last sentence.

 

[sagewolf]

Here in the INTP forum we call people with uncommon function orders prancing chocolate cheese cows.

You'll pay for calling me that! I eat prancing chocolate cheese cows for breakfast! Hide and all!

It's not at all uncommon to have unusual function orders, though. It's actually probably more common to have an 'incorrect' order than the one the four-letter code describes. (Rationally speaking, there are 40,320 different possible function orders, and only 16 'correct' ones; therefore the probability of actually having all eight functions developed in a 'correct' one is 1/2,520.)

My own functions go Ti, Ne, Fe, Si/Ni/Fi, Se/Te(barely functional--who needs sensory input or organisation anyway? xP). I often feel like an INFP too, but I'm definitely a Thinker, or at least, I use Ti a lot more maturely and constructively than I use Fi. I, then, am an INTP with developed Feeling functions. I definitely identify more with the INTP profiles than the INFP ones, though, and although I like INFPs, I don't think I'm one of them, from knowing them in real life and online. Interacting with INTPs (here), on the other hand, was like looking into a mirror that didn't reflect light, but thought.

 

[Ermine]

^ Hooray! More cheese cows can come to the party and prance till dawn.

 

[cheese]

^I'd forgotten about our combo species! We must recruit more! Keep the prancing tradition going!

- SJ tendencies -




Actually I just tested ISFJ, possible INTJ five minutes ago, bringing my tested types up to 9
- ISFP, ISFJ, INFP, INFJ, INTP, INTJ, ESFJ, ENFP, ENTP.
Come on, prancer! This is getting ridiculous!

 

[meshram.alok]

There is something about the INTP persona that corroborates all these observations. It is the tendency to be the chameleon, or "mirror" to other people.

I often do this. When someone talks to me, I instantly (and often unconsciously) pick up their way of speaking or acting, and imitate it just for the fun of it. When that happens, I think I kinda change my preferences for a short while, and there you have it, the whole confusion about "What am I?".

It is for this reason I often feel as if I'm living a pretension based, acted out life rather than being myself.


To answer your question about Ne: I have an ENTP friend. Ne dominates his personality. He's always aware of things going on around him, and keeps on making connections and dynamic models about them. He's usually very aware of his current situation. Thus, to have a dominant Ne means to be living in a state highly observing and associative.

On the other hand, INTP would prefer to stay "Zoned out", and is observant of the surroundings only with an effort.

 

[mathy]

******************* Ti
*************** Fi, Ne
************* Ni
************ Se
***** Fe
**** Si
**** Te

(Last 3 are pretty pathetic!)

I guess that makes me a prancing chocolate cheese cow, too.

 

[cheese]

^NO, YOU HAVE TI NE IN THE RIGHT ORDER, YOU CANNOT JOIN OUR ELITE SOCIETY OF NAKED MUTANTS!



.............................ok there are only 4 of us and we really need the numbers.

 

[Felan]

Is there some place that you can test the order of your functions?

 

[cheese]

http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=1117

Three of those tests there. You might also want to have a look at the 8 functions thread.

 

[Jesin]

which is what makes it so damn hard for me to complete writing my novel, not to mention make conclusions about anything.

Yup, that's Ti with secondary Ne, all right.

 

[Red Mage]

Can I be a cheesy mutant cow, or whatever? My Ne consistently scores much higher than my Ti.

 

[cheese]

Yes but you must prance around naked and preach the good news of Dairy. Reasonable conditions for a clothes-free life.

 

[sagewolf]

*facepalm*

I'm not a chocolate cheese cow... I'm a wolf... a wolf....

 

[cheese]

Let's do the Dairy!
Like we did last summer
Yeahhhh...
Let's do the Dairy
Dairy time is here!

 

[Fukyo]

Got Ne as the highest ranked function too....

But no chocolate cheese cows or prancing....

 

[Ermine]

*facepalm*

I'm not a chocolate cheese cow... I'm a wolf... a wolf....

Oh, come on. You're at least a wolf in cheese cow's clothing.

 

[mathy]

New test results in using this test. Don't know which I trust more. (The previous results came from this test.)

Ne - 45.4 (excellent)
Ti - 37.3 (excellent)
Ni - 34 (good)
Fi - 33.1 (good)
Te - 24.9 (avg)
Si - 22.9 (limited)
Se - 22 (limited)
Fe - 21 (limited)

By focusing on the strongest configuration of cognitive processes, your pattern of responses most closely matches individuals of this type: INTP.

If these cognitive processes don't fit well then consider these types: ENTP, or INFP.

...

Now I'm more confused... Not sure how it determined INTP from that.

I still don't consider myself completely introverted. Hmm. I think I'm going with XNXP.

 

[chocolate]

There is something about the INTP persona that corroborates all these observations. It is the tendency to be the chameleon, or "mirror" to other people.

I often do this. When someone talks to me, I instantly (and often unconsciously) pick up their way of speaking or acting, and imitate it just for the fun of it. When that happens, I think I kinda change my preferences for a short while, and there you have it, the whole confusion about "What am I?".

It is for this reason I often feel as if I'm living a pretension based, acted out life rather than being myself.

As an ENTP, I TOTALLY identify with this! (but then I am a cheese cow...).

 

[cheese]

choc:

Let's do the Dairy!
Like we did last summer
Yeahhhh...
Let's do the Dairy
Dairy time is here!

I've incorporated a song into the dancing ritual.

 

[chocolate]

Ooooooh. I like it. Do we have dance moves yet?

 

[Ermine]

Hmm. That test showed me as an INFP.

Ne:49.5
Fi:41.3
Ti: 40.4
Te: 29.2
Ni: 29.1
Si: 23
Se: 19.2
Fe: 8.9

I'm kind of confused since I know that my Ti is stronger than my Fi. Ti is an instinct while Fi is a learned skill for me. And according to this I'm supposed to be an extrovert. Maybe I'm just an extremely repressed extrovert but it's unlikely.

 

[cheese]

Ooooooh. I like it. Do we have dance moves yet?

The choreography isn't finished yet, but the costuming is.

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=1733&page=3

 

[mathy]

Ermine,

I remember now that it was mentioned before (don't remember which thread) that the way your introversion/extroversion is determined is by looking at the top several functions, and whether more of them are introverted or extroverted. I'm pretty sure I'm somewhat introverted, but maybe Ne dominant INTPs tend to be somewhat more extroverted than non-Ne dominants?

Can't say if this is true for you, but I can definitely act somewhat extroverted when the mood strikes me. When around groups of people I usually enjoy my time, and don't feel drained afterward. I just tend not to put myself in those situations too often.

It's interesting to see differences in the spread of the functions. I had higher scores on some of my bottom scoring functions, which perhaps leads to some of my confusion (and pushed my percentages for Ne, Ti, and Fi lower). While some of your lower functions had lower scores, and pushed your Ne, Ti, and Fi a bit higher.

 

[Red Mage]

I'm pretty sure I'm somewhat introverted, but maybe Ne dominant INTPs tend to be somewhat more extroverted than non-Ne dominants?

Can't say if this is true for you, but I can definitely act somewhat extroverted when the mood strikes me. When around groups of people I usually enjoy my time, and don't feel drained afterward. I just tend not to put myself in those situations too often.

I have a dominant Ne and think you may be on to something here. I have anxiety and depression that prevents me from behaving "extrovertedly." Without it I'm not totally an extrovert, but much more so than with it. I took Zoloft for a while for a summer job at an amusement park where I had to work with and serve a great number of people. It greatly decreased my anxiety and let me be myself. I have no doubt anyone who had met me at that time would have thought for sure I was extroverted.

 

[Ermine]

Ermine,

I remember now that it was mentioned before (don't remember which thread) that the way your introversion/extroversion is determined is by looking at the top several functions, and whether more of them are introverted or extroverted. I'm pretty sure I'm somewhat introverted, but maybe Ne dominant INTPs tend to be somewhat more extroverted than non-Ne dominants?

Can't say if this is true for you, but I can definitely act somewhat extroverted when the mood strikes me. When around groups of people I usually enjoy my time, and don't feel drained afterward. I just tend not to put myself in those situations too often.

It's interesting to see differences in the spread of the functions. I had higher scores on some of my bottom scoring functions, which perhaps leads to some of my confusion (and pushed my percentages for Ne, Ti, and Fi lower). While some of your lower functions had lower scores, and pushed your Ne, Ti, and Fi a bit higher.

Perhaps. Ne is pretty much the only way I socialize, and when I'm in an Ne mood, I can appear quite loud, outgoing, and extroverted. When I like the people I'm around and feel comfortable, you wouldn't know I'm an introvert. But those situations are few and far in between.

And I'd like to know what that test's definition of Fi is. I certainly make a lot of value judgments, but all of them are based on logic and experience with only a few based on feelings alone.

 

[mathy]

Yeah, Ne is most definitely how I socialize. I think the key for me is comfort level as well (and my mood). Even in certain groups where I don't know everyone, where the people tend to be more like minded, and more open to new experiences (so basically, not SJ's :P) I tend to relax around them a lot more. I do see myself as an introvert overall probably.

You bring up a good point, and I wonder how many questions I answered high for Fi, when what I'm really using is a combination of experience, logic, and lastly feelings? I do consider myself to do value checks pretty regularly, but, like you said, I wonder if these values were determined through logic/experience? Points to ponder...

 

[Ermine]

Yes, how in the world can that be Fi if I generally only trust my feelings to reinforce judgments, not create them?

 

[chocolate]

If dominant Ne INTPs are more extraverted, then are dominant Ti ENTPs more introverted? Often new people who meet me think I'm introverted; maybe that's why...

 

[mathy]

If dominant Ne INTPs are more extraverted, then are dominant Ti ENTPs more introverted? Often new people who meet me think I'm introverted; maybe that's why...

It could be. It makes perfect sense... you probably spend more time thinking (in Ti land) than typical ENTPs, which would probably make you more introverted. On the other hand, for Ermine and I, and other Ne dominant INTPs, probably spend more time exercising our Ne more than other typical INTPs... making us more extroverted. This seems logical.

On the other hand, maybe my Ne is higher because I'm naturally more extroverted, and maybe you're Ti is higher because you're naturally more introverted?

But either way it seems that they are correlated.

 

[Pizzabeak]

This thread should be stickied, it's like a FAQ.

 

[Owfin]

If dominant Ne INTPs are more extraverted, then are dominant Ti ENTPs more introverted? Often new people who meet me think I'm introverted; maybe that's why...

Dominant Ti ENTP = INTP

Dominant Ne INTP = ENTP

The dominant function is the most important one for sure, and so having an ENTP that sees things with Ti more than Ne is preposterous. Because they see everything through Ne though, the line between normal thinking and Ne influence may not be as obvious as Ti to them.

 

[SkyWalker]

Dominant Ti ENTP = INTP

Dominant Ne INTP = ENTP

.

duh!

and all other claimers above are idiots

 

[scorpiomover]

All of this MBTI business is making me lose my mind.
So I've taken and retaken multiple tests. Usually I come up INTP, but sometimes I come up INFP, which isn't exactly odd because I am very borderline on the T/F thing.

Then I did the cognitive processes test to clear things up. It said I was an INTP, but the thing is that my Ne is through the roof while my Fi is barely below my Ti. In other words, the Ne is most definitely dominant.

Discovered that the type with dominant Ne is ENFP. Let me say, in many ways I relate to the ENFP- I get way into my 'latest' project, but often drop it before I'm finished because something new comes up that seems to be the answer. I hate having to do the required things of life- chores, etc- I will avoid them at all costs. And, unfortunately, I care way too much what others who I like/respect think of me, though I try to deny it.

The issue is- I'm pretty damn introverted. I test high on I. I love spending time alone. People wipe me out. I have to drink to be social, otherwise I feel like I don't know how to talk. And of any of the forums I've checked out, I relate more to the posts of the INTPs than anyone. The ENFPs seem so... . The INFPs seem so...

As a teenager I know I tested INFP, but I have always been a bit of a nerd, and have been hurt by others.

So the question is, I guess, how important is the dominant Ne? (Am I a damaged ENFP?)
And then also... why do I give a shit? Does that mean something, personality type wise? Because I am not getting anything else done... And it's getting annoying...

Your dominant function is the function that motivates you down the cognitive thinking process. This is normally the introverted function for introverts, and the extroverted function for extroverts, because the introvert retreats into his/her inner introverted world to get some idea of what to do next, because that is where he/she is most comfortable, while the extrovert retreats into the outer external world to get some idea of what to do next, because that is where he/she is most comfortable.

However, it is very easy, because of interest, or because of experiences, to end up using the auxiliary function more than the dominant function, because those situations demanded it, and continue to demand it. When this happens, the introvert often becomes more extroverted than he/she was before, even though he/she usually remains an introvert, and the extrovert becomes more introverted than he/she was before, even though he/she usually remains an extrovert.

 

[xeno_girl]

The first half of this thread was very helpful in sorting out INTP versus ENTP. @del thank you for the videos... you just confirmed to me that I am most definitely NOT an ENTP.