Doctor Who Mafia

[Helvete]

Pmj who did you try to NK?

I don't know who he really tried to NK but I know he was toying with the idea of NK'ing happy for lols because his only concern was making it to D2. If pmj really considered the game already lost I can totally see him going through with this choice.

 

[Latte]

Thanks for hosting Yellow. The Doctor Who flavouring was nice.

I'm a bit surprised the spectator QT was so lively .___.,,,

Spooky

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

Thanks for hosting Yellow. The Doctor Who flavouring was nice.

I'm a bit surprised the spectator QT was so lively .___.,,,

Spooky

Spec thread is where the real fun is.

Also thanks Yellow, on behalf of all those in the spec thread.

 

[PmjPmj]

Great game guys.

If you haven't already, I implore you to read the mafia QT. It's basically just pages and pages of me and Helv losing our shit.

I was not prepared to play as scum against you guys. I have been good at it in the past, but that was in games with individuals who were as new and feckless of myself; there was never any talk of tactics or optimal strategies and the like. It was simply a game of deception.

My NK target was Happy.

During this game, I learned that an NK can be roleblocked.

Well played Cheese.

I would also say "Well played rb", but fuck you rb. Fuck you >_>

Thanks again for hosting Yellow. I'm sorry the game was so short for you

 

[Minuend]

Thanks for hosting, yellow :3

I learned quite a few basics in this game, thanks for tutoring, RB :3

It was a bit suspect at the beginning, but after that newb speech I was mostly leaning toward him being town. Sure it could be deception, but I decided to go with it being too.. malicious? (If he was scum). I don't think I have a good word to describe that behavior. Still, you do get some suspicions on day 2 because, I can't remember what right now, but he said some things that were suspicious. But he also made things happen and drew out people, so it was still kinda helping town. (Also, most of what RB said from the beginning made sense to me. He did throw in some jokes here and there, but I could kinda see a point there as well). I didn't really feel pressured or overwhelmed by RB

Around half game I realized it would help me if I decided some was town temporarily. Even if wrong, it would help me sort it all out later. This might be obvious to people who've played mafia a bit, but it helped me a ton realizing I had more to work with if I assumed some to be town. In the beginning I was like trying to leave my mind open to everyone being scum, because I thought not letting myself keep open to that would make me miss things. But I think it rather clouds things.

And yeah, cheese seemed very scummy to me. So that worked.

Oh, I didn't discount the possibility cheese made the yellow quotes himself, btw. The only thing that was weird was there being more than one PM (didn't occur to me they might be QTs) talking about it (if they were fake)

 

[redbaron]

Yeah Minu, generally speaking you have to learn to identify town and scum behaviours and stow away the paranoia temporarily. You can always re-assess but the worst thing ever is having town play all individually.

If I have strong scumreads, I tell people to sheep me. If I don't I mostly question and pressure others. I generally don't announce all my scumreads, but I end up creating a preferred "lynch order". Sometimes I barely explain, sometimes I'm very clear.

I avoid quote-wall battles at all costs because all they do is frustrate people trying to catch up with the game and also make it hard to follow. I take the general idea someone is pushing and respond to it as accurately and pragmatically as I can because my focus is getting reads - whether it's town or scum doesn't matter. Townreads tell me who not to lynch and who I should discuss and plan with. Scumreads tell me who I should ignore and pressure.

People often get into prolonged tit for tat arguments with their scumreads, I sometimes have a habit of doing it. I think it's pointless though and I do it less and less as I play the game.

Overall I think your town game was very strong Minu. You were identifiable as town and you asked all the right questions. So it was easy for me to form an alliance with you, which scum hate. If three or four town can band together, winning the game is much easier for town provided they're somewhat good at finding scum.

 

[Yellow]

It was fun to read! Yay for town win!

Though I have to admit that I was rooting for the Daleks as the underdogs.

 

[cheese]

Great game guys.

If you haven't already, I implore you to read the mafia QT. It's basically just pages and pages of me and Helv losing our shit.

I was not prepared to play as scum against you guys. I have been good at it in the past, but that was in games with individuals who were as new and feckless of myself; there was never any talk of tactics or optimal strategies and the like. It was simply a game of deception.

My NK target was Happy.

During this game, I learned that an NK can be roleblocked.

Well played Cheese.

I would also say "Well played rb", but fuck you rb. Fuck you >_>

Thanks again for hosting Yellow. I'm sorry the game was so short for you

Heh, good target. Just to prevent him getting to Day 2.

I think Town had an unfair advantage because the PR didn't have the same uncertainty everyone else did about there being other PRs. It allowed me to narrow things down and once Helv flipped the last one was definitely you.

If we *didn't* have this information, I would've thought you might be another blue role. That would make me suspect RB, as his instant jump towards assuming you were claiming Doc despite the OP suggesting there are other PRs would seem shady in that light (and then claiming ignorance of the OP - shady) since it's pushing for a possible mislynch if any other player claims. I would've gone down a whole different path. One of the main reasons I cleared RB as Town pre-Helv was that he didn't take advantage of the OP ambiguity, as scum would've done to support the fakeclaiming scumbuddy. I wouldn't have been able to do this without that extra bit of knowledge, because I wouldn't have known the claim was fake. Lacking that knowledge, his ignorance would've pushed me in the exact opposite direction regarding his alignment.

I imagine:
I would've CC'd with some trepidation mid-to-late Day 2.
RB would've had me lynched because he thought you and Helv weren't possible and I was the more likely scum, and I wouldn't have confidence and would keep pointing to ambiguity in the OP.
I would've flipped blue; you would've already claimed you were some more minor role.
You'd NK RB and his green flip would give his townread of you extra cred.
Other players would point out OP ambiguity and wifom themselves. You'd point the finger at Happy as RB already had, as the more likely partner.
Happy gets lynched, you NK someone else.
Next day is 3v1.

I don't know how much longer you'd last, but you would've had much more of a chance.

*edit
Dalek thread was fun. Was that really a scumslip day 1 then? I would've defended you to the death! Hah

 

[PmjPmj]

I suppose it was actually just a figure of speech - but I hadn't considered the implications. Normally I'd see it a mile off, but for some weird reason I just didn't. Bleh.

 

[redbaron]

Tbh I'm pretty sure I said on Day 2 that we should still lynch Pmj unless Cheese is counter-claimed and Happy wouldn't have. I just wanted a contingency plan in case it all went horribly wrong because that sometimes happens.

 

[Yellow]

Town technically had two PRs, only one with abilites. Rose Tyler is a PR in that the role can be claimed and counter claimed and used to produce a confirmed town. I just didn't advertise it because I thought doing so (and therefore removing the element of doubt for town) would give an edge to town. It's more of a last-effort claim.

Also, the fact that a Dalek can make a convincing town and get handed the Sonic Screwdriver actually threw some swing into the game. As did the fact that there was only one, vulnerable player with abilities.

Being 1-shot tends to make people conservative to a fault. As does the possibility of giving a weapon to an enemy. A tentative doctor will die before using powers effectively, and a bold one will be an easy target (I should mention that I randed the 1-shots between bulletproof, doc, cop, roleblock, jailkeep, and tracker).

Daytalk, when fully utilized, is a powerful scum weapon. Moreso with the other kind of lynch, but still.

I would have done away with set EODs, but I was scared that I'd miss the lynch by hours and leave everyone hanging.

If someone wants to use this set up (with a different flavor, since apparently Doctor Who is out of style) I think it would be fun to see what the town/scum win ratio is.

 

[redbaron]

This is a fairly balanced setup I think. A bunch of 1-shots is a bit more or less powerful than one strong role if played right. The role is a bit less powerful than Cop overall imo, but the versatility is good so I think it's a good setup with the Doctor + Rose.

Not sure what I'd change, maybe would decide which 3-4 1-shot abilities to use as opposed to randoming. Jailkeeper, Cop, Doctor, Tracker would be a good combo imo.

I think this setup is about as powerful as Jailkeeper + Tracker or something like that.

 

[Happy]

Tbh I'm pretty sure I said on Day 2 that we should still lynch Pmj unless Cheese is counter-claimed and Happy wouldn't have. I just wanted a contingency plan in case it all went horribly wrong because that sometimes happens.

I might have.