Cult initiation by VI video typing is pretty smart

[SkyWalker]

Scientology's e-meter auditing was a pretty smart trick: You tell a person their most personal flaws (or strengths) and touch them on their core with this stuff, as if you have done something so magical nobody has ever done to them, and then you promise them you can improve them on that identified core. And they can grow and flourish like a flower within the cult (people see that in their childish fantasy of the whole deal). Great incentive to pay for some courses. Works!

I must say podlair's VI-video "auditing" is similar, but even smarter: it can be done remotely and it requires an investment by the initiate (the investment of the lowering-of-pride, being an identifiable clown on film, giving the copyright of your footage, plus the investment of your time).

nothing hurts more than the loss of a little investment, so once the video is made, the follow-up by the initiate always follows.
the video may also be used as proof that you were initiated, which can be saved for future usage.

damn if the great mr. hubbard only knew this stuff.

BTW humorless INTP guys: dont take this thread seriously, i am not for or against anybody, i am just having fun

 

[Cheeseumpuffs]

All you need to do is require the video come with a 'donation' and you'd make bank.

 

[dark]

Well you could also look at the video as something "potentially" educational.

Results may vary.

Batteries not included, sometimes responses aren't included either.

Free cool-aid too.

 

[kibou]

Ah, and education or learning classes (like "learn tango" or "learn martial arts") itself uses methods like this, except the investment is lots and lots of monayz - $$$$$ instead of recording a video of yourself.

 

[SkyWalker]

i'm just kidding around, it's smart

it would actually work if the spiteful texts on the site would be removed

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Yes you're investing yourself into it, though how much is a subjective thing.

Just because it says it will help you to develop doesn't mean it won't. It doesn't mean it will either, but if you feel like it will then go ahead. Of course there is always a danger of being sucked into any group you join, so you should be wary in general.

I guess they've put a lot of time into this, so they want compensation now rather than just letting what they've discovered dissipate from themselves to be free information. They make the rules for now.

 

[kibou]

Mmm there's a lot of reasons but one that I particularly resonate with is that people tend to learn Pod'Lair wrong if they don't even have their own configuration right. The vast majority of even interpretives alone tend to read their own configuration wrong because of overmodulation and other factors. This isn't specific to INTPforum, although INTPforum in particular has a lot of overmodulated romantics (MBTI rough corrolary to NFs), with some dashes of cerebrals.

It's the same kind of reason why there are stages for teaching martial arts - you don't want a crappy fake version of your cultural artform being assimilated into the dominant culture, you want to teach the actual art with its actual skills so you are passing on something that is a concretely valuable skill and not just feeding someone's repertoire of things that they say they "are" but don't really do (like saying "I speak three languages" when that really means you speak one fluently and know a couple words in two other languages).

We have high standards because there are dire consequences like overmodulation and stresslock when people are misread and misread themselves for a prolonged period of time, and part of PL's natural agenda (that just comes experientially from the knowledge) is to help spread knowledge that reduces overmodulation and stresslock, both which really sucks energy-wise for the person themselves and the people around them - we definitely wouldn't want to participate in increasing low passive half-awake "kind" energy in the world... (How's that for some "Fi"? )

 

[kibou]

People are choking from being deprived of the energy they need so bad that many people look like they're crying or upset or stressed, or even worse, completely locked up and apathetic with tons of facial tension all of the time...we live in a world where we consider this "normal", especially if the person is materialistically well-off. Becoming very sensitive and aware of this from getting good at people reading and experiencing better energy by engaging the psychological concept of "flow" (wiki time!) by knowing how you work (ie getting your configuration right) and working with it and not against it, all naturally pulls you toward the question... "why do we passively let ourselves live with this?"

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

People are choking from being deprived of the energy they need so bad that many people look like they're crying or upset or stressed, or even worse, completely locked up and apathetic with tons of facial tension all of the time...we live in a world where we consider this "normal", especially if the person is materialistically well-off.

I'm sure everyone here can agree here.

I think people are just afraid of the perception of dark energy they get from Pod'lair, the latent "cult" feeling and manipulativeness. Maybe the feelings are totally unfounded, but until this is resolved there will always be a defensiveness against Pod'lair.

 

[kibou]

That is one aspect of Nai that is really confusing, its sense of destiny and meaning has a very heavy, and to many people who have not had success getting it through all the stages into something useful/meaningful as a very dark force. Pod'Lair is very much in a Nai/Nyy heavy phase right now, which is why even among the Nyy and Nai alpha, it tends to be the ones with stronger or more dominant Nai and Nyy that gravitate toward Pod'Lair, while the ones that are faux zenning with Zai or really emphasizing the use of values-based or logic-based powers tend to have a harder time with its uncertainty and its pure "energy" form. All speculation and sense of discovering what's in the

unknown (Nai)

tend to scare people because its larger implications.

The implications are so huge, just from

a small underlying premise.


This both has a feeling of "whoaaa" that can be dark whoaa for people that get scared by Nai (including their own Nai) or intense yes, but awesome whoaa for people who will tend to endure being in that purely interpretive realm (Nai and Nyy) and seeing "regardless of morality, is there really something here? is this tapping into something underlying in the world that's hard to directly see but real? natural law?", and playing there thoroughly before really descending into "editor's mode" with the Zai and the like can see the strength of an idea (especially one that needs to manifest to show directly its power) before it is visible. That's the real power of interpretive mojos in general, and especially interpretive mojos that embrace their interpretive powers, to see how strong an idea is regardless of ANYTHING.

 

[SkyWalker]

what is Nai? Ne?
Nyy = Ni?

 

[kibou]

Nai: detatching to see the missing perspective/simulator/what am I missing?/synergizing/abductive reasoning/etc

Subjective Directive Interpretive Perception, "Worldview Map"


Nyy (~~Ne) possibility/attuning to sixth sense qualities in the environment/taking in perception in the form of abstractions in real-time/etc

Objective Adaptive Interpretive Perception, "Stimulus Register"

 

[Masterlord]

If you can visually read someone’s innate cognitive makeup, then there can be a universal standard or measuring stick for personal development, as research on how humans have evolved to function can yield information on how people are performing as compared to what their design can do, so that you can maximize your performance.

There's that word again.

http://www.podlair.com/

Isn't that VI?

 

[Adymus]

If you can visually read someone’s innate cognitive makeup, then there can be a universal standard or measuring stick for personal development, as research on how humans have evolved to function can yield information on how people are performing as compared to what their design can do, so that you can maximize your performance.

There's that word again.

http://www.podlair.com/

Isn't that VI?

No, it isn't.

VI does not read Cognitive Configuration, it just assumes Sociotypes have certain looks to their faces and then types them based on physical resemblances alone. They actually cannot use VI to identify individual Cognitive Processes on a person, so with that alone it is certainly not seeing anything "cognitive." Secondly, the operative word here is "Reading", it is a very different process than "Typing" a person, it is an on-going process of deciphering a constantly flowing language, not just checking for one thing and stopping after identifying it, like Typing does.

Just because two things being done Visually does not make them automatically the same, if that were the case then you might as well start calling Bird Watching VI too.

 

[Bird]

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT POD'LAIR AND ITS CONSPIRACY THEORY/CULT ANTICS/BRAINWASHING TECHNIQUE.
​

If you have a problem with pod'lair then address it elsewhere.
No one here cares.

 

[Systems]

You tell 'em Bird!

Everyone do what Bird says!!







I sort of agree though ^^

 

[The Gopher]

EEEEEKK *runs* Sorry I just hate beating dead horses. Yall know *giggles* (yall...) *cough* yall know what I think. I think I need to stop drinking and start driving if you know what I mean and if you do tell me, I need all the help I can get. Pod lardy is designed to annoy INTP's and capture INFJ's even their statistics (from what I have been told) point to this. INTP's have fun arguing because they know they can't lose. However while they can't lose (and not in the INTJ or ESFJ sense) it's a circle debate thus frustrating.

So here is the plan, INTP's should stop having fun and Podlardy should not play with construction workers logic or old ladies (no offence to construction workers)

There problem solved, You may use the donate button below to fund my research.

PTO

 

[Artsu Tharaz]

Why are we all so easy to troll?

 

[xbox]

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT POD'LAIR AND ITS CONSPIRACY THEORY/CULT ANTICS/BRAINWASHING TECHNIQUE.
​

If you have a problem with pod'lair then address it elsewhere.
No one here cares.

Yes that.

 

[kibou]

@Gopher now only if the majority (even major minority) of the people responding to Pod'Lair threads on INTPforum were actually Zai'nyy... =P It's only a small # of the people getting annoyed at these threads are actually Zai'nyy (especially that word, "annoyed"...).

 

[Adymus]

@Gopher now only if the majority (even major minority) of the people responding to Pod'Lair threads on INTPforum were actually Zai'nyy... =P It's only a small # of the people getting annoyed at these threads are actually Zai'nyy (especially that word, "annoyed"...).

I think the rationale is, if you are intolerant of or incurious about Pod'Lair, then you clearly must be a Zai'nyy.

Wow, MBTIer logic ftw

 

[ProxyAmenRa]

I think the rationale is, if you are intolerant of or incurious about Pod'Lair, then you clearly must be a Zai'nyy.

Wow, MBTIer logic ftw

Why are you guys in a tuffle? Seems a tad bit immature to me.

 

[The Gopher]

@Gopher now only if the majority (even major minority) of the people responding to Pod'Lair threads on INTPforum were actually Zai'nyy... =P It's only a small # of the people getting annoyed at these threads are actually Zai'nyy (especially that word, "annoyed"...).

I think the rationale is, if you are intolerant of or incurious about Pod'Lair, then you clearly must be a Zai'nyy.

Wow, MBTIer logic ftw

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Guys does anything I said in that comment sound remotly sane? At all? How can you even think that there is logic in that.... I mean there maybe but if there is I wasn't intending any.... Stop being so defensive gosh like I am TOTALLY being logical here. Also who said I was an MBITer! Did I? You assuming podlaryains!.

Guys guys... I am a bananatarian! I think everyone can be typed according to the bananas they eat and how they react to eating bananas. See this uses both pod and mbit methods.... First we soo how the banana acts to being eaten and where and how the person eating the banana does so.... Then we examine the person eating see how they react how they smile when the banana touches their mouth... then we kill the banana tree and watch what happens next.

I am sure it will take off.

 

[Aramea]

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Guys does anything I said in that comment sound remotly sane? At all? How can you even think that there is logic in that.... I mean there maybe but if there is I wasn't intending any.... Stop being so defensive gosh like I am TOTALLY being logical here. Also who said I was an MBITer! Did I? You assuming podlaryains!.

Guys guys... I am a bananatarian! I think everyone can be typed according to the bananas they eat and how they react to eating bananas. See this uses both pod and mbit methods.... First we soo how the banana acts to being eaten and where and how the person eating the banana does so.... Then we examine the person eating see how they react how they smile when the banana touches their mouth... then we kill the banana tree and watch what happens next.

I am sure it will take off.

No way I'm sending you a video of me eating a banana ...

 

[EyeSeeCold]

EVERYONE NEEDS TO SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT POD'LAIR AND ITS CONSPIRACY THEORY/CULT ANTICS/BRAINWASHING TECHNIQUE.
​

If you have a problem with pod'lair then address it elsewhere.
No one here cares.

The activity speaks for itself. You must mean "I don't ", instead of "no one".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection