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I have gone full throttle... I need to get a physical contact, maybe somewhere in Central California. I am thinking a Ti dominant ENFJ would be best... I cannot headhunt worth shit, and I have a considerable lack of resources... I need at least someone who can help me work out my ideas. I am thinking of pitting my creativity along side with the MBTI for this. I lack the knowledge to really consider any other options. Basically, I am now a Se dominant INTJ.
 

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Are you a troll?

Edit: I'm sorry if I sound kind of mean now, I don't mean to be. I just don't understand a thing you're saying now.
 

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Are you a troll?

Edit: I'm sorry if I sound kind of mean now, I don't mean to be. I just don't understand a thing you're saying now.

No offense taken... All part of the learning process. Come to think of it... Aren't ENTPs, INTJs, ENFJs, and INFPs all considered to be generalists?
 

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Jeez.

Just go get a Jungian therapist, or a counselor versed in MBTI.

You're not going to find these people on here.

And it sounds like you really need professional help.
 

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Jeez.

Just go get a Jungian therapist, or a counselor versed in MBTI.

You're not going to find these people on here.

And it sounds like you really need professional help.

I am sure you say that to everybody.
 

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Just do what I do and talk to random strangers male or female. Sometimes random strangers invite me out to interesting events and introduce to me to other people while saying nice things about me. ^_^

I was in a corner store once and could not find any envelopes. I asked the girl looking for items in the same area to help me find them. As our endeavours failed I was conversing and throwing in my dry humour. When I left the store she approached me and stated she just got my jokes and finds me funny. Four months later I had a girl friend.

Go with the flow and let the chips fall where they may. Don't try and force anything by arbitrarily choosing a type of person and looking for them.
 

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Textbooks aren't everything to life... I suppose I will have to try another forum. I think I need some unprofessional assistance.
 

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Just do what I do and talk to random strangers male or female. Sometimes random strangers invite me out to interesting events and introduce to me to other people while saying nice things about me. ^_^

I was in a corner store once and could not find any envelopes. I asked the girl looking for items in the same area to help me find them. As our endeavours failed I was conversing and throwing in my dry humour. When I left the store she approached me and stated she just got my jokes and finds me funny. Four months later I had a girl friend.

Go with the flow and let the chips fall where they may. Don't try and force anything by arbitrarily choosing a type of person and looking for them.

Sounds reasonable... I think consulting with people will allow me to make a more calculated decision.
 

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You are looking for a means. What is your end?
 

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If you're this desperate, you might want to consider seeing a therapist, they're paid to hear you out (I had one, they aren't bad). Otherwise, how far are you from Vegas?
 

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What is everyone talking about therapy for I still haven't a clue what this guy is on about.:slashnew:

Edit: I just saw that I was the last poster in a thread called "serious advice" and I kinda had a heart attack as I forgot what I posted.
 

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Pffft----

Well, apparently he's locked in a box somewhere, where he can't get no satisfaction. He's looking to see if anyone would be willing to give him some it seems.

I say if you're asking a random forum for this kind of thing, you might want to see a therapist and get over a bit of the social anxiety or at least get a real lead.

Aren't there websites for this kind of thing?
 

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Pffft----

Well, apparently he's locked in a box somewhere, where he can't get no satisfaction. He's looking to see if anyone would be willing to give him some it seems.

I say if you're asking a random forum for this kind of thing, you might want to see a therapist and get over a bit of the social anxiety or at least get a real lead.

Aren't there websites for this kind of thing?

It doesn't appear to be a "random forum" to me. He seems to have some knowledge of Jungian typology.
 

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Is there any forum I can post on without getting all this therapy bullshit. It doesn't seem as though anyone respects my individual rights... Yeah... I fucking know the MBTI I am a Se dominant INTJ. The more inferior ones function is the more precise. This is useful when a person is in unfavorable circumstances.
 

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If you don't want to hear the therapy bullshit you should try to be more clear what you are attempting to gain from your threads and not title them or speak in ways that arouse concern for your safety. Not everything is someone else's fault or problem.
 

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It doesn't appear to be a "random forum" to me. He seems to have some knowledge of Jungian typology.

It's random for the regional connection he wants. This isn't match.com or whatever.

One of those sites practically advertised that they use MBTI.

*And wait... why would someone ask INTPs for this physical connection?
 

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Is there any forum I can post on without getting all this therapy bullshit. It doesn't seem as though anyone respects my individual rights... Yeah... I fucking know the MBTI I am a Se dominant INTJ. The more inferior ones function is the more precise. This is useful when a person is in unfavorable circumstances.

yeah well if therapy is needed that's what we will tell you if not then you phrased the initial post wrong.
 

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It's random for the regional connection he wants. This isn't match.com or whatever.

One of those sites practically advertised that they use MBTI.

*And wait... why would someone ask INTPs for this physical connection?

I suppose you are correct. Maybe he is here because he IS INTP and thought he could get help from his fellows though.
 

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Isn't Einstein supposed to be a INTP? I wonder if he really was... Of Course, I wouldn't know how many real INTPs are on this site. I need a contact I can meet in person. This isn't going to be a easy decision. Relating my circumstances is a good way to reel in "real" allies. This devil may care attitude really pisses me off. This forum really isn't useful for advice. I guess I misunderstood that one poster.
 

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Isn't Einstein supposed to be a INTP? I wonder if he really was... Of Course, I wouldn't know how many real INTPs are on this site. I need a contact I can meet in person. This isn't going to be a easy decision. Relating my circumstances is a good way to reel in "real" allies. This devil may care attitude really pisses me off. This forum really isn't useful for advice. I guess I misunderstood that one poster.

Zeldon, whether you are trolling, serious or are mental, a lot of us have tried to help, but by now you are just conversing in circles. There is no new information being relayed, so, with all due respect, WTF? It's futile to keep posting as no one can or will ever understand what it is your are trying to get across, everything you type is either doublespeak or grammatically correct sentences that have no meaning.
 

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Zeldon, whether you are trolling, serious or are mental, a lot of us have tried to help, but by now you are just conversing in circles. There is no new information being relayed, so, with all due respect, WTF? It's futile to keep posting as no one can or will ever understand what it is your are trying to get across, everything you type is either doublespeak or grammatically correct sentences that have no meaning.

This is hilarious. I think I know of a few on this forum that "might" understand... But I suppose you are correct that most will not. Come to think of it previously... A poster mentioned six geniuses. I think I know of three if not four of them... I suppose it is futile to keep posting...
 

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I thought he mentioned he was an INTJ?

Einstein was an awesome guy. I looked through this biography about him and he was surprisingly chill.

Zeldon, this isn't a fish tank. You jumped in with the sharks. You sure you're in the right place? If you're looking for an ENFJ to sooth you, you might want find their mothership.

Oh wait, maybe they won't want you either, Haha~
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I thought he mentioned he was an INTJ?

Einstein was an awesome guy. I looked through this biography about him and he was surprisingly chill.

Zeldon, this isn't a fish tank. You jumped in with the sharks. You sure you're in the right place? If you're looking for an ENFJ to sooth you, you might find their mothership.

Cute...
 

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He's still here, reminds me of Melkor, but at least Melkor stayed entertaining...

*pokes with a stick*

Read my edit BTW.
 
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Dude you are a pretty weird kid you know that? This place is full of weird kids, yet you manage to stand out. Congratulations.
 

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I had this urge to meet people once, I was very very desperate for communication with a real breathing person. On that day I was going through blogs and forums on the immediate location and stalked them with excuses as to why they should see me and I them.

One thing I learnt about this mistake is that people are just way, wayyy too self-centered around their own lives - they won't care much that a stranger is asking for help.

But the fault is not ours as it is not yours. You are currently in a stage where you seek for company and will just completely ignore any other solutions - and we are too involved with our own lives but atleast trying to give you some solutions.

No one is to blame.

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I think a more valid thing for you to do is to spot people that you like and maybe start a conversation with them and only then maybe ask for their MSN.

If you continue with the current attitude I fear for you because you might insult the wrong people and come off as a "troll" and after a few more posts of you antagonizing the society here you will eventually get banned exactly like MunkySpanker.

I do not wish that to happen again. It's a great society here - you just got to get your senses as to what is going on around here and where is your post going. It probably derailed already.
 

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I actually don't know. Guess I just don't like trolls. Probably stems from annoying people with microphones in MW2
 

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And so it goes...

What is it?

*He's not a very good troll.

LPolaright- You can't trust anyone on the Internet and not to this kind of capacity. It is misplaced and bizarre. And he's just as selfish as the rest of us. He didn't legitimately ask for advice. He seems to think he's so important that we could or should fulfill some social-physical need he has. Which makes no sense at all when you look at the forum we're on.

Talk about self-centered into oblivion. He couldn't even manage to post this in Regional or in the CA thread? Is he an average teen or just here to BS us for shitsandgiggles?

He kind of reminds me of Holden Caulfield.

I can't remember exactly how it works, but the brain goes through a surge of development through adolescents and slows/finishes in the early 20s.

It's kind of funny, because it's like people think teens are annoying and weird, and yet left to themselves they can sleep for a long time. I thought somewhere they were thinking the amount of development the brain goes through in the teens might be the reason for "excessive" sleep.
 

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Central california? :confused:

LOL you must be a psychopath or something praying on introverts.

You live in the weed capital of America pretty much. Start smoking weed and discussing your thoughts with people.

Just smoke like 7 times and get to know them. If you're an INTP then you probably have crazy thoughts to share that are on the same level as other people's high thoughts.

Actually you might want to find some acid heads.

Good luck. I just post my thoughts on the internet or talk to my psych usually. I used to share them with friends but after a while they get bored and start getting judgmental and it kills your motivation.

Also maybe try Craigslist
 

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Yo just try tubgirl.com I heard mad ENFJ girls hang around there.
 

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I don't get how people keep missing and misunderstanding what he's saying - if he doesn't make sense to you, don't reply?

Obviously, many of you aren't reading what he's saying, because you're continually suggesting he's INTP when he's clearly stated several times on several threads that he is INTJ (With strong Se.)

That said, I completely understand where he's coming from - I just don't have an adequate solution, but I don't like to see people bullying him around either, simply because they lack the aptitude to understand what he's going through. (For those of you who haven't been belligerent, this is obviously not directed at you. Though, I should say some points that could be considered belligerent have been legitimate and not so much bullying, just harsh in tonality.)

For myself, I also the seek the same sort of connection - Ideally, I'd like an ENXX to hang out with, someone to get me out and around, because I am most definitely too caught up in my own little world and have no initiative nor bravery to attempt going out on my own. I used to be able to with a little more confidence, but more factors come into play for me now that hold me back, and with a partner, I would be able to solve the problem.

Now, as I said, I don't have an adequate solution. You could try meetup.com - pick interesting topics where you think you might run into Ti dominant types (Philosophy groups are a good place) - or Extroverted types. This worked well for me when I was in Denver and had a car, I met some brilliant people, though people around my age were rather lacking. Still, it opens doors, and that's a start.

Beings I'm in the situation that I am, much like what you possibly are in, but I wouldn't wish to be presumptuous - I have come to the conclusion that I must remain comfortable in my own skin, doing my own thing, even if that means staying in my room for 4 days straight playing games, drawing, and chatting on IRC / Forums for my interaction. The loneliness used to get to me, but somehow I became content with it. It's not particularly happy, but it gets me by until my circumstance can (and will) inevitably change.

Hopefully this helps, if not, I apologize for my rambling musings of nonsense ^_^
 

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I don't get how people keep missing and misunderstanding what he's saying - if he doesn't make sense to you, don't reply?

Obviously, many of you aren't reading what he's saying, because you're continually suggesting he's INTP when he's clearly stated several times on several threads that he is INTJ (With strong Se.)

That said, I completely understand where he's coming from - I just don't have an adequate solution, but I don't like to see people bullying him around either, simply because they lack the aptitude to understand what he's going through. (For those of you who haven't been belligerent, this is obviously not directed at you. Though, I should say some points that could be considered belligerent have been legitimate and not so much bullying, just harsh in tonality.)
How can you pretend to understand what you read from him? In previous threads numerous offers of help have been given, yet the topic is always altered in the favor of Zeldon, keeping himself hidden in a shroud of ambiguity. The ones who claim to understand don't really understand at all. You are just taking hir at face value.
 

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How can you pretend to understand what you read from him? In previous threads numerous offers of help have been given, yet the topic is always altered in the favor of Zeldon, keeping himself hidden in a shroud of ambiguity. The ones who claim to understand don't really understand at all. You are just taking hir at face value.

Obviously, you didn't read my post, because I addressed that issue, by saying later on that I didn't wish to be presumptuous. But, I do identify with his main points, shall I break it down for you?

Point A:
I need to get a physical contact, maybe somewhere in Central California. I am thinking a Ti dominant ENFJ would be best...

Relation: For myself, I also the seek the same sort of connection - Ideally, I'd like an ENXX to hang out with

Point B:
I cannot headhunt worth shit, and I have a considerable lack of resources... I need at least someone who can help me work out my ideas

Relation: but more factors come into play for me now that hold me back, and with a partner, I would be able to solve the problem. (Factors of mine mostly being a lack of certain resources)


Maybe I'm simply as incomprehensible as him.

I'm not saying he's going about things the best way - in fact, that's precisely what has prevented me from posting anything before, because I don't like the way he/hir/her talks and addresses people either. But I do see people repeatedly trollingbullying him - for the sake of ease, I'm going to leave it at 'him' until otherwise clarified - and it's entirely unnecessary.

Ever heard don't feed the trolls? If you offer your help, and it's not helpful, and you try to clarify, and it seemingly can't be clarified - why go on the offense and get mad at him? Just let the issue drop, and next time it happens, if you're feeling generous, try again, if not - you're not required to post, you're not required to read it, etc. I don't see him spamming the forums by any means, yes, he's made a few selfish threads - but most my threads have been selfish in nature too.

Trolling is such a touchy thing these days too, as, by definition, a troll is simply there to incite a reaction, and by reacting (mostly in a negative manner) you're feeding the fire, so to speak, and letting the troll win, and in effect, start trolling yourself, often times.

So, let his posts fall into ancient history with a lack of replies (at least, once the lack of clarification has been exhausted, again, if we're feeling nice, I suppose.)

(On another note, I'm terrible at commas, but it's how my thought process was chopped up ^_^)


- Also, you've apparently missed him acknowledging some of the advice that was good - Need I point that out to you was well?

Sounds reasonable... I think consulting with people will allow me to make a more calculated decision.

In response to proxy.

Lpolar also apparently identifies with him to an extent - some of seem to be able to understand something from where he's coming from, even if it's not the exact problem.

You said so yourself; it's futile to continue posting - however, for YOU. Not necessarily him, as there is still valid input he may respond to (or choose not to, of course.) He could entirely reject what I said as completely off base, for which, I apologized if it was! But if it's not, well, who are you to not allow me to attempt to assist simply because you were unable to help, or comprehend? Also, who are you claim to understand what I'm able to understand in relation to someone else?
 

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Obviously, you didn't read my post, because I addressed that issue, by saying later on that I didn't wish to be presumptuous. But, I do identify with his main points, shall I break it down for you?
I did read it, that was the reason I felt the need to respond. There is no need to be defensive/offensive when I was just making an observation.


I'm not saying he's going about things the best way - in fact, that's precisely what has prevented me from posting anything before, because I don't like the way he/hir/her talks and addresses people either. But I do see people repeatedly trollingbullying him - for the sake of ease, I'm going to leave it at 'him' until otherwise clarified - and it's entirely unnecessary.
This is not my point. You assume he has a purpose while I question the presence of one. His methods do not matter as I am concerned with his attempts having any reasons. What I hold is that if we can get past the ambiguous posts then we can deal with the issue of his methods and the goal he wishes to achieve. But the ambiguous posting prevents a clear purpose from being recognized, so why continue providing advice if the purpose is not yet understood?

Ever heard don't feed the trolls? If you offer your help, and it's not helpful, and you try to clarify, and it seemingly can't be clarified - why go on the offense and get mad at him? Just let the issue drop, and next time it happens, if you're feeling generous, try again, if not - you're not required to post, you're not required to read it, etc. I don't see him spamming the forums by any means, yes, he's made a few selfish threads - but most my threads have been selfish in nature too.
I've not gotten mad, or trolled/bullied him. So I will assume this is not specifically directed towards me. My posts have relayed the observation that his attempts and our concerns are not making any progress. I do not take a positive or negative stance on the matter. The fact that I'm still posting gives evidence to my own steadfast concern, however small it may be.


So, let his posts fall into ancient history with a lack of replies (at least, once the lack of clarification has been exhausted, again, if we're feeling nice, I suppose.)
If you will not, I cannot.

- Also, you've apparently missed him acknowledging some of the advice that was good - Need I point that out to you was well?
I have not, acknowledgement is nothing without application. He has made several threads and numerous posts with the same recurrent questions and pleads. Like I have said there is no progress, so far our(his and us) efforts have been futile.


You said so yourself; it's futile to continue posting - however, for YOU. Not necessarily him, as there is still valid input he may respond to (or choose not to, of course.) He could entirely reject what I said as completely off base, for which, I apologized if it was!
It is futile for everyone if his application is not relayed. There is just endless acknowledgement.

But if it's not, well, who are you to not allow me to attempt to assist simply because you were unable to help, or comprehend?
Huh? I have not claimed control over you.

Also, who are you claim to understand what I'm able to understand in relation to someone else?
I never claimed I understood what you understood in relation to someone else. I stated you take him at face value, ignoring the ambiguity. Do you not? Acknowledgement is not the opposite of ignorance, it is application. If you do not apply the acknowledgement of his ambiguity to clear it then that is ignorance of it.
 

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Hi Zeldon. Don't I recognize you? You sound Se dominant.
 

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I did read it, that was the reason I felt the need to respond. There is no need to be defensive/offensive when I was just making an observation.

My bad there, then. It's more the comment that you suggested I was pretending to understand - I'm not pretending anything - as in, that is how I really feel, and I sense a correlation. I might be misunderstanding something, for which I said I might be. There's a huge difference, to me, and I guess that felt like an attack. My apologies.

This is not my point. You assume he has a purpose while I question the presence of one. His methods do not matter as I am concerned with his attempts having any reasons. What I hold is that if we can get past the ambiguous posts then we can deal with the issue of his methods and the goal he wishes to achieve. But the ambiguous posting prevents a clear purpose from being recognized, so why continue providing advice if the purpose is not yet understood?

If he doesn't have a purpose, it doesn't really matter, does it? Either the post falls into oblivion, or we gather something out of like these sort of discussions, the off-topics that we INTP's so love to delve off into, and something of value may or may not be gathered. If our advice isn't helping, then, he'll rephrase it somewhere along the way, and either we'll understand and help, or we won't, and the thread again falls to oblivion. Like so many others.


I've not gotten mad, or trolled/bullied him. So I will assume this is not specifically directed towards me. My posts have relayed the observation that his attempts and our concerns are not making any progress. I do not take a positive or negative stance on the matter. The fact that I'm still posting gives evidence to my own steadfast concern, however small it may be.

Indeed, you're right on that, it's not directed at you, it's just that was part of my original post, which is what you responded to, and I was keeping in that line of thought in regards to explaining the absurdity of some peoples actions, who accuse him of trolling while trolling him back, in essence. I'm not sure why you're exactly concerned, maybe I missed something in one of the other threads, but he doesn't exactly seem unhealthily unstable or confused any more than the rest of us are in life. I've not really seen him express suicidal thoughts, only unhappiness at being alone and misunderstood, mostly.

If you will not, I cannot.

Well, that's just silly to me - you already are, as we're having a discussion, not you having a discussion with him. In a way, this should be a separate thread in itself XD.

On a side though, were I to continue to discuss his original post, there is no reason for anyone to necessarily interact. Again, this was more directed for the generality of those accusing him of trolling and having a general hostile attitude towards him, rather than being helpful or simply ignoring him. I don't see a reason to antagonize. That was my point - that's all. You can probably disregard it, like the other generalized comment.

I have not, acknowledgement is nothing without application. He has made several threads and numerous posts with the same recurrent questions and pleads. Like I have said there is no progress, so far our(his and us) efforts have been futile.

It is futile for everyone if his application is not relayed. There is just endless acknowledgement.

Here I simply fundamentally disagree with you. While it is good to put knowledge you've gained into practice, sometimes one just needs others inputs to help themselves work through something, or to not feel alone on an issue, or many other things. A perspective adjustment, possibly. Or something else, I won't presume to know him or his desires, I won't 'pretend' to get it. But I can still relate in other manners, and I see no reason to restrict that despite ambiguity.


Huh? I have not claimed control over you.

I never claimed I understood what you understood in relation to someone else. I stated you take him at face value, ignoring the ambiguity. Do you not? Acknowledgement is not the opposite of ignorance, it is application. If you do not apply the acknowledgement of his ambiguity to clear it then that is ignorance of it.

See the first comment, already addressed the idea of you claiming I was pretending, in which this was regards to.

In all honesty, I don't really see the ambiguity you're talking about, so yes, I do take him at face value. I have no reason not to? The only thing I see that is largely ambiguous is: "I need at least someone who can help me work out my ideas." - Which isn't even that ambiguous, I mean, sure we could get into the details of it, but that didn't seem like what was important to me, the emphases seemed to be more on finding someone he could talk and relate to, but be different enough to not be stagnant. To break molds and offer perspectives. But I could be wrong.

My apologies again for any unnecessarily hostility towards you, the bullying does get me a little upset though, and flows out in the response.
 

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Hey yeah. I waz looking for you but you disappeared. How ya doing?
 

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Hey yeah. I waz looking for you but you disappeared. How ya doing?

Yeah... Hanging in barely... Has anybody noticed? I have a four track mind... Where the hell are four track minds supposed to go?
 

Jean Paul

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Zeldon, whether you are trolling, serious or are mental, a lot of us have tried to help, but by now you are just conversing in circles. There is no new information being relayed, so, with all due respect, WTF? It's futile to keep posting as no one can or will ever understand what it is your are trying to get across, everything you type is either doublespeak or grammatically correct sentences that have no meaning.
 

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Look pal! I am not joking! I am using all my MBTI functions starting with Se. Can anybody take a hint!

That's impossible.

Assuming you're an INTJ, then you're in "shadow mode", but there is no such thing as Se dominant INTJ.
 

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That's impossible.

Assuming you're an INTJ, then you're in "shadow mode", but there is no such thing as Se dominant INTJ.

It is possible! I have full control over my Se. I process nutrients extremely efficiently, and I hardly eat as much as I used to. My body has undergone some changes, and I have a lot more energy then I used to. I can also drink lots of alcohol without getting drunk. Something has clearly happened to me, but I am not sick physically, or mentally. If anything, I am much more healthier than I used to be. I believe I am a INTJ, but not just any INTJ! If I am different from the norm, then clearly that would explain my communication problems, but I am not sick! I have a perfect understanding of the MBTI. I can use all of my brain... This is both a blessing, and a curse... I do not want to stay isolated! I need some fucking help!
 

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It is possible! I have full control over my Se. I process nutrients extremely efficiently, and I hardly eat as much as I used to. My body has undergone some changes, and I have a lot more energy then I used to. I can also drink lots of alcohol without getting drunk. Something has clearly happened to me, but I am not sick physically, or mentally. If anything, I am much more healthier than I used to be. I believe I am a INTJ, but not just any INTJ! If I am different from the norm, then clearly that would explain my communication problems, but I am not sick! I have a perfect understanding of the MBTI. I can use all of my brain... This is both a blessing, and a curse... I do not want to stay isolated! I need some fucking help!

Yeah...good for you, but that has nothing to do with Se.
 

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LOL, this thread is actually getting better. XD

JarNew- your post made me laugh. Craigslist FTW! Moar pot.

This dude's just running around like a headless chicken. He isn't an NT, he's just mocking everyone.
 

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LOL, this thread is actually getting better. XD

JarNew- your post made me laugh. Craigslist FTW! Moar pot.

This dude's just running around like a headless chicken. He isn't an NT, he's just mocking everyone.

I am not a fucking clown! Bah! This is a waste of goddamn time!
 
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