Censorship and Kormak

[Angel]

I'm not an admin, but yes I am pretty ancient. Thanks for noticing.

If Inexorable Username thinks someone let an account sit for 10 years just to pick on them specifically, well that's more than a little paranoid.

I don’t think that. Although I will say that you seem keen on using fallacious reasoning to make invalid logic appear worthy of consideration - which makes you come across as pretty manipulative in my book.

Probably, don’t rely too heavily on rhetoric when Rebis is active. I don’t think it will end in your favor.

To answer your twisted argument - I don’t think “someone let an account sit for 10 years” just to pick on me, specifically. Rebis was the person who looked up your account information. I mentioned the fact that the only person I know that doesn’t like me is Adaire, and I’ve never heard of you or spoken to you, until you just now popped out of the woodwork to troll me with animated gifs. Which seems shady.

You’re not making yourself look any more innocent by using invalid logic and skewed information to paint me as a nutcase. You seem pretty weird and suspicious - but also...likely not worth bothering with. So I desist.

Actually, your nonsense is helpful. I’m starting to see the hilarity of this thread and I’m much less bothered by it now. Potentially - this was all a big misunderstanding, as Marbles and Redbaron have been pointing out to me - in which case, I’m kind of getting a kick out of how much this post has blown up. Oh, the drama! Myself included.

I really wish marbles had kept his profile pic. I want to envision a kitten in a top hat keeping the peace XD

Yikes. Rebis looked up my account information because you suggested , or rarther asked them whether they think I was another member that you apparently have a conflict with.

Either way, I am guessing you're upset because you can't justify you paranoia and the whole 'racial superiority is a thing that exists' thing though.

Lol...is that why I’m on your hit list? You know very little about me. I don’t believe in racial superiority. I was upset before - that’s true. I felt betrayed.

I get over being upset pretty quickly though and I’m not upset anymore. Marbles effectively diffused my little temper tantrum and RedBaron brought to my attention that the fundamental belief upon which it was based may very well be inaccurate.

You see - I thought he might be confirming the belief. That’s what upset me. He’s now saying that, to his knowledge, these things did not happen - which means that more information is necessary at this point. So there’s no reason to get upset about things.

I meant to say genetic superiority. Which is what you said in an earlier post. However, racial superiority came out, since my thought process is along the lines of belief in genetic superiority is the slippery slope that leads toward saying x is better than y. Not that I believe you think x is better than y, simply that it's the real life consequence of such a belief.

You're on my 'hit list' because you are saying things that contradict one another.

 

[Inexorable Username]

I know. Let’s stage an Ode to Kormak forum. Where we discuss Kormak’s philosophies just as an FU to the admin who potentially sought to censor him and brush it under the rug.

It will be like a people’s rebellion.

And if no such admin exists - well then it’s just a funny, innocent way to say goodbye to one of our most active members.

We can call it “Kormak’s Farewell”, and e can continue to be obnoxious on it until either an admin comes clean about their tampering, Kormak returns, or we have entirely traversed the subject of what was Kormak and laid the issue to rest out of sheer post inactivity.

 

[Angel]

I'm not anyone who postd here. There's no big reveal there I'm afraid. I'm also not even sure whether this forum is a fever dream or not. I just like picking at views an statements that don't make sense.

I mean you surely know Redbaron or another mod, possibly through another site, potentially in a discord group where someone discussed what was happening on this forum and you came to see what the drama was about?

You haven't changed your password in 10+ years or have a crystalline memory? If it's in the former sloppy work.

Okay, I surrender. I am no match for the detectives of this forum raises hands Yes, I was sent here specifically to troll Inexorable User name! Muahahaha!

Is this what you want to hear?

I mean you are trolling by avoiding any direct inquiry, so yes, mwahahahaha

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Well dude, I literally do not owe you any kind of explanation as to who I am. You can think whatever you want, and I do not care. Apropos, that is quite the weighty philosophical question there, so the actual answer may be: I don't know.

If you wanna fill your time with idle speculation, I don't blame you.

 

[Inexorable Username]

We all miss Kormak. We need a dedicated thread. It will be a slap in the face to his murderer.

 

[Marbles]

Recapping:

1: Either Kormak was wrong about his post being deleted, or some dev deleted it against regulations. That would be good to get clarified.
2: Contacting a forum member through mail is unusual, because the information is confidential. This is about a technical issue, could it be done?
3: Go away, Angel.

 

[Angel]

We all miss Kormak. We need a dedicated thread. It will be a slap in the face to his murderer.

Are you going to challenge the offender to a duel, the old fashioned way? This guy Kormak will be the maiden and you shall defend her honor?

 

[Angel]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

 

[Inexorable Username]

Recapping:

1: Either Kormak was wrong about his post being deleted, or some dev deleted it against regulations. That would be good to get clarified.
2: Contacting a forum member through mail is unusual, because the information is confidential. This is about a technical issue, could it be done?
3: Go away, Angel.

Haha! Aww. Don’t be mean to angel. Maybe we all just got off on the wrong foot and Angel, after having been in a coma for the last 10 years, has just recently gotten back into the INTP forum and happens to love drama, but is none-the-less an intelligent conversationalist?

It could happen. We could ask questions about their philosophy and get to know them better.

Btw Rebis - I’ve been getting into the stock market.

 

[Marbles]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

I'm saying you need to be circumcised with a pair of rusty scissors.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

Oh stop pretending you’re all witty and stuff. Marbles was exercising his free speech to basically say you’re being obnoxious and your unwanted!

But you needn’t remain that way. Tell us about your philosophy and your relationship with the INTP forum. Rebis and I are new - we don’t know you, except in potentially a wallflower sense.

 

[Rebis]

I'm not anyone who postd here. There's no big reveal there I'm afraid. I'm also not even sure whether this forum is a fever dream or not. I just like picking at views an statements that don't make sense.

I mean you surely know Redbaron or another mod, possibly through another site, potentially in a discord group where someone discussed what was happening on this forum and you came to see what the drama was about?

You haven't changed your password in 10+ years or have a crystalline memory? If it's in the former sloppy work.

Okay, I surrender. I am no match for the detectives of this forum raises hands Yes, I was sent here specifically to troll Inexorable User name! Muahahaha!

Is this what you want to hear?

I mean you are trolling by avoiding any direct inquiry, so yes, mwahahahaha

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Well dude, I literally do not owe you any kind of explanation as to who I am. You can think whatever you want, and I do not care. Apropos, that is quite the weighty philosophical question there, so the actual answer may be: I don't know.

If you wanna fill your time with idle speculation, I don't blame you.

If you don't care then why are you responding? Pretty dumb if you ask me

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[redbaron]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

I'm saying you need to be circumcised with a pair of rusty scissors.

ok

wishing mutilation on other members is not okay

 

[Inexorable Username]

I’m going to get some dinner. Who is in favor of making freedom-of-speech style ode to Kormak, as vengeance for his murder?

 

[Marbles]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

I'm saying you need to be circumcised with a pair of rusty scissors.

ok

wishing mutilation on other members is not okay

I'm sorry, I didn't realize my post could possibly be taken literally.

 

[Angel]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

I'm saying you need to be circumcised with a pair of rusty scissors.

Please don't go losing your marbles over lil ol Angel.


@Inexorable Username, I happen to be quite witty. I just can't help it.


I must bid you good night and leave you to brew your conspiracy theories.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

I'm saying you need to be circumcised with a pair of rusty scissors.

ok

wishing mutilation on other members is not okay

Uhm..hello? Neither is trolling a woman from the USA with gifs of birds wearing blonde wigs and a princess princess crown, yapping, with some “freedom banner” plastered across their chest.

It’s understood to be “bantering” and the kinds of responses you sign yourself up for when you engage on a public forum. If Angel wants to dish out insults, he should be prepared to take them.

It’s VERY CLEAR that nobody is going to come try to track this person down and, IRL, perform penile surgery with a rusty pair of scissors.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Recapping:
3: Go away, Angel.

clears throat

Excuse me, but this is a free forum, and I am within my rights to express my opinions. Or are you going to say I need to be gasp censored?

I'm saying you need to be circumcised with a pair of rusty scissors.

Please don't go losing your marbles over lil ol Angel.


@Inexorable Username, I happen to be quite witty. I just can't help it.


I must bid you good night and leave you to brew your conspiracy theories.

Goodnight. Feel free to join us with well reasoned philosophical arguments. Happy to hear your beliefs. The more activity on the forum, the better!

Even if you are a spy from our socialist, oppressive regime...

 

[redbaron]

Uhm..hello? Neither is trolling a woman from the USA with gifs of birds wearing blonde wigs and a princess princess crown, yapping, with some “freedom banner” plastered across their chest.

i think the degree of severity between these two things is at least several orders of magnitude.

or are you now saying you want us to censor people with different opinions?

 

[Inexorable Username]

@redbaron
Maybe the better way to do the moderator thing is to wait until people send you complaints about someone’s behavior?

Then you can bring up the issue with the offending party, and ask them to be more polite.

That way, none of the rest of us feel like we have to rewire our brains and walk on eggshells just to have a flippant fast-paced, nonsense conversation when we’re all active and potentially only half sober.

 

[redbaron]

why yes, that's exactly what the moderators do btw

no, that doesn't mean you can suggest people deserve to be mutilated horrendously and claim "t'was only joking" or "oops i got drunk"

 

[Inexorable Username]

Uhm..hello? Neither is trolling a woman from the USA with gifs of birds wearing blonde wigs and a princess princess crown, yapping, with some “freedom banner” plastered across their chest.

i think the degree of severity between these two things is at least several orders of magnitude.

or are you now saying you want us to censor people with different opinions?

Well now you’re just being f*ing rude and obnoxious. Did I not just clearly indicate - a number of times in this thread - that while I find the gif offensive, and sexist, and an insult to my nationality and ethnicity - I don’t think that users like Angel should be censored for it and I handle the trolling like an adult - as adults should?

And uhhh...who are you to say that one thing is more offensive than the other?

 

[redbaron]

alright, i'm going to close this thread because it's just becoming an amplifier of hostility that began from...things that didn't happen

i'll leave it open a bit longer. but for the record yes, i think that suggesting someone should be horrendously mutilated is not something that should occur, or be tolerated on INTPf.

 

[Ex-User (14663)]

 

[Inexorable Username]

why yes, that's exactly what the moderators do btw

no, that doesn't mean you can suggest people deserve to be mutilated horrendously and claim "t'was only joking" or "oops i got drunk"

Oh. Awesome. So that’s how it is. Someone’s obviously heartfelt attack on me - which they then backed up by saying that my nationality tends to be like X, matters less to you than someone’s quip that you cherry-picked from a back-and-forth bit of banter in a conversation between two individuals that did not involve you and was obviously an ongoing exchange.

 

[Inexorable Username]

alright, i'm going to close this thread because it's just becoming an amplifier of hostility that began from...things that didn't happen

Yes. Take away my freedom of speech because I’m complaining about being attacked by another member for my gender and beliefs. Way to go you.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Who actually owns this website? Is there someone I can complain to about this clear miscarriage of justice?

 

[redbaron]

okay so after a huge rant about freedom of speech and these ideas needing to be in the open to be contested, otherwise they will spread more: you want me to take action against Angel for those remarks?

but you don't want me to take action against someone for literally suggesting that someone should be physically mutilated?

 

[redbaron]

Who actually owns this website? Is there someone I can complain to about this clear miscarriage of justice?

yes, you can contact @Ragnar

 

[Rebis]

Who actually owns this website? Is there someone I can complain to about this clear miscarriage of justice?

yes, you can contact @Ragnar

His name is ragnar? That's the name of the main character in the TV show I'm watching, pretty ballsy guy.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Thanks for the information.

And no - I want you to not think that you know best when it comes to who should be offended and who shouldn’t. I want you to not play favorites and inject your own personal philosophy on our conversation, and censor us according to what you believe we should and shouldn’t be saying.

We’re not kindergarteners. We’re literate adults and I don’t think we appreciate having our words policed by you.

I especially don’t appreciate you saying that offenses made to me because of who I am as a person are less important then a generic comment.

That’s not your call to make.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Moderators should not be here to oppress people. They should be here to keep things like spam down, censor nudity, or maybe even ask people not to use curse words - which seems ridiculous, but is not out of the norm.

What moderators should not be doing is telling people what they can and can’t say, and which personal attacks should be ignored and which should be pursued, based on their own personal philosophical notion of how people should speak and behave.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Slow responses to you now - because I’m going to pick up food - but please do respond. It will take me 10-15 mins at most I think.

 

[redbaron]

Thanks for the information.

And no - I want you to not think that you know best when it comes to who should be offended and who shouldn’t. I want you to not play favorites and inject your own personal philosophy on our conversation, and censor us according to what you believe we should and shouldn’t be saying.

We’re not kindergarteners. We’re literate adults and I don’t think we appreciate having our words policed by you.

I especially don’t appreciate you saying that offenses made to me because of who I am as a person are less important then a generic comment.

That’s not your call to make.

one is suggesting physical mutilation

the other is mockery

if you think being mocked is the same as a suggestion of physical mutilation, i can't help you there.

flared tempers happen and mockery occurs. i don't consider this to be entirely beyond acceptable so long as it isn't prolonged or follows a pattern of harassment. a single conversation isn't that.

suggestions of physical mutilation to other members isn't okay.

you're free to disagree, but i won't be debating the ins and outs of how these two behaviours measure up. i'll discuss the comment with the other mods before we decide on the severity of marbles' ban.

 

[redbaron]

What moderators should not be doing is telling people what they can and can’t say, and which personal attacks should be ignored and which should be pursued, based on their own personal philosophical notion of how people should speak and behave.

outside of this thread where someone suggested that someone should be mutilated - where have you seen this happen?

 

[redbaron]

perhaps also a good time to refer to:

https://www.intpforum.com/threads/general-rules.7/

 

[Rebis]

i'll discuss the comment with the other mods before we decide on the severity of marbles' ban.

So marbles is definitely getting banned in some capacity? What?

Pls be the irony being we expect.

 

[redbaron]

maybe the severity of it is to have no ban at all. my interpretation is that it's clearly over the line.

as the only mod online now, i've banned him for the time being.

 

[Inexorable Username]

perhaps also a good time to refer to:

https://www.intpforum.com/threads/general-rules.7/

suggesting that someone should jump off a bridge is not the same as saying you’re going to track them down and push them off a bridge.

making fun of someone who who they are is much worse. If you can’t understand that - then I feel like you clearly having been on the receiving end of it.

but now you’re just obviously power tripping. Screw this.

 

[Inexorable Username]

See - that’s where you can see the power trip Rebis.
Angel left. Marbles didn’t even get a chance to say anything after that one comment. Now he’s been banned because something he said offended redbaron.

 

[Happy]

Geez, did not expect to find this thread when I logged in this morning...

Spoiler: For the benefit of newer members:

It's not uncommon for old members to have few posts. In a previous iteration of this website, there was a chat room, where a lot of members dwelled primarily. This feature was lost during a website upgrade.

I'm saying you need to be circumcised with a pair of rusty scissors.

This is unacceptable.

 

[redbaron]

i've definitely been on the receiving end of both

as someone who has had on and off suicidal ideation for a long time and someone who is both non-hetero and non-binary, i can tell you that having experienced both of these things: i do have a very clear distinction between which of them is worse from my own perspective.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Obviously the situation had already resolved itself.

Angel was being rude and antagonistic, attacked me - AND THEN backed up his bigotry against my people by saying it was justified because of some generalization - Marbles comes in and defends me and diffuses the situation, and Redbaron decides that his philosophy and interpretation of the situation matters much more than anyone else’s opinion, so he’s just going to ban someone because he’s the “only mod on” and he feels like it.

 

[Inexorable Username]

i've definitely been on the receiving end of both

as someone who has had on and off suicidal ideation for a long time and someone who is both non-hetero and non-binary, i can tell you that having experienced both of these things: i do have a very clear distinction between which of them is worse from my own perspective.

yeah well the distinction, Redbaron, is that Marbles wasn’t sayi NY that because of >>>>> Who That Person Is <<<<<<<

nobody was saying it because of who they were as a person, their sexuality, their nationality - anything. It was a quip in response to what they were saying, which was rude and antagonistic.

 

[redbaron]

this situation isn't a matter of "one person attacking you and one defending you" though.

outside of your perspective, there are clear lines that need to be drawn for what statements are and are not acceptable. suggestion of physical mutilation is, imo, not acceptable. mockery is contextual.

however i've banned angel for one week. next time a behaviour that you view as hurtful or problematic occurs, please use the report function. i didn't actually read the entirety of your exchange (nor do i have to), and per your own point: moderators should act based on user reports. if you don't make a report, there's every chance we haven't seen the problem you're referring to.

 

[Inexorable Username]

Contrarily - I was being made fun of for >>>> who I am as a person <<<<
That is what hurts.

if some random person in a grocery store told some random completely average person standing in line to go jump off a bridge because they cut the guy off - I seriously doubt that person would be offended.

if they called them an idiot and a moron because they’re some woman from Mexico and all Mexican women are X - well that would be offensive.

 

[Inexorable Username]

this situation isn't a matter of "one person attacking you and one defending you" though.

outside of your perspective, there are clear lines that need to be drawn for what statements are and are not acceptable. suggestion of physical mutilation is, imo, not acceptable. mockery is contextual.

however i've banned angel for one week. next time a behaviour that you view as hurtful or problematic occurs, please use the report function. i didn't actually read the entirety of your exchange (nor do i have to), and per your own point: moderators should act based on user reports. if you don't make a report, there's every chance we haven't seen the problem you're referring to.

Geez. See - this is the issue. I didn’t ask for Angel to be banned. I even tried to send them a message to say I hoped there was no hard feelings and to not be too put off by this conversation.

We are ADULTS. Even the teenager who sometimes comes here is pretty much an adult. We don’t need you to treat us like first graders. It’s extremely patronizing and frankly disrespectful.

Now Angel is going to think that I actually reported him. Thanks for that.

 

[redbaron]

yeah well the distinction, Redbaron, is that Marbles wasn’t sayi NY that because of >>>>> Who That Person Is <<<<<<<

nobody was saying it because of who they were as a person, their sexuality, their nationality - anything. It was a quip in response to what they were saying, which was rude and antagonistic.

again, as a recipient of both, there's still several orders of magnitude in my mind as to which of these is worse.

as long as i'm a moderator, i won't be tolerating people suggesting that other people should be mutilated. you can argue until you're blue in the face, it won't change.

 

[redbaron]

Now Angel is going to think that I actually reported him. Thanks for that.

i mean, you did?

you went out of your way to bring specifics of their behaviour to a moderator's attention.

 

[Inexorable Username]

This is absurd and ridiculous. Nobody asked you to

yeah well the distinction, Redbaron, is that Marbles wasn’t sayi NY that because of >>>>> Who That Person Is <<<<<<<

nobody was saying it because of who they were as a person, their sexuality, their nationality - anything. It was a quip in response to what they were saying, which was rude and antagonistic.

again, as a recipient of both, there's still several orders of magnitude in my mind as to which of these is worse.

as long as i'm a moderator, i won't be tolerating people suggesting that other people should be mutilated. you can argue until you're blue in the face, it won't change.

Great. That’s fine. I hope one day someone removes you as a moderator.

You shouldn’t be imposing your philosophy on other people. Have fun being a god in a forum nobody uses strictly because you are part of it. I hope it makes you feel really powerful to destroy people’s tentative friendships on here and treat them like children, and put them down - which is basically what you’re doing.

I hope you feel really tough. Obviously you need that sensation of power in your life because other people have put you down.

You see - as for me - I’ve been picked on in life too. Haven’t we all? And now, I get to add you to my list. Someone who said that my feelings aren’t important, and that it’s okay for me to be abused because they believe that I don’t know what I’m talking about. That what happens to me isn’t a big deal. Just sweep it under the rug, right? As long as YOU don’t think it’s a big deal personally, then I have no right to argue that it is.

and then - ignore my arguments. Let me talk until I’m “blue in the face” right? Because you have power over us. What you say goes. Even if we disagree and we never asked you for your help, you’re going to dominate us and put your philosophy on us and use it to control us - even when the situation is controlling itself.

 

[Rebis]

He said it wasn't supposed to be taken literally.
Then you proceeded to ban him after reading the message expressing clear intent.

Metaphors are a natural part of language, this is no exception.

Anyways why are you deciding intent? Did angel take offence? If angel did not take offence it should stand that a ban isn't committed on false grounds.