@dark
Phew Dark (and others who are interested in understanding what PL's actual positions and statistics are on stuff), I hope you're ready to take a big Nai-style dive cuz my answer is really long! But I know there's a lot of stuff to sort out and I wrote this in hopes that it really will be useful for your understanding of what PL has to say on this, cuz I really think you are open to taking a gulp with this information and seeing how you digest it, rather than throwing it into the trash cuz it looks like Indian-Chinese fusion food XD
Here we go!
Hmm dark, when talking about Pod'Lair observations let's use PL terms because it really is different. For example, you are telling me statistics that are MBTI statistics that PL has completely different positions on, based on our statistics from observing and reading thousands of people. I'll use some new PL terms and mention the rough corrolary in MBTI and explain new terms, but I really need you to know that the data we've gathered is completely different from MBTI statistics done through self-assessments. Also, if we are going by PL's statistics (so Nai'xyy rather than INFJ), your reads are most likely off, actually it's very unlikely those people you're talking about are literals (sensors in MBTI) for many reasons, a # which will be mentioned in the upcoming Mojo Case Studies E-Book. =) So when we are talking about PL's positions on these things, we inevitably also have to talk about what statistics PL has observed based on its forensic system of mojo reading.
INFJs:
I've been part of both MBTI and Pod'Lair at different points, so I've seen many people's mojos (including some people on this forum) in Pod'Lair VS what they identify with in MBTI. For the INFJs, I have frequently seen Nai'xyy (~INFJ), Nyy'xai (MBTI rough corrolary ~ ENFP), Nai'zyy (~INTJ), some Xai'nyy (~INFP). What about for INTPs? A LOT of Nai'xyy, quite many Nyy'xai (believe it or not), etc. What about for ESTPs? A lot of Nai'xyy, Xyy'nai (~ENFJ), and so on. Quite a lot of MBTI ESTJs, especially the ones on online forums, are Nyy'xai and Xai'nyy. I don't really want to post on here but if you really want to study this stuff, we can look at videos together online in PM or Gmail and the like.
There are a # of reasons why using your values-based power ("F"), Xyy, (~Fe) and Vyy (~Se) is exhausting for you, although not for all Nai'xyy. (Actually, quite a lot of Nai'xyy don't like to identify in particular with their Xyy, ESPECIALLY among the straight male Nai'xyy.)
1. Xyy is quite a lot of work for general for Nai'xyy, even though it's on their Momentum side. All Nai'xyy have differing degrees of HSP (wiki it), which is more obvious when using Momentum side powers. Both Nai and Xyy are very intense powers, and for Nai'xyy, the Xyy is also very selective (this comes both from being Nai alpha ("IN_J") and being Subjective Directive ["I__Js"]). Nai'xyy Xyy has many fantastical qualities and tends to prefer projecting itself into art rather than people, and when it's projected into people, the conversation and the interaction has a more artistic, often performance-like quality (this is part of why Nai'xyy are overprominent in fields which require masterful, charismatic oration). Many many Nai'xyy use their Minor Modulation to their Offside ("tertiary function") Zai (~Ti) to stabilize their system and not let both the intensity of the Nai and the hypersensitivity and selectiveness of their Xyy throw their psyche all over the place. This often becomes a lifestyle and is done at a pretty early age. When this is overdone and becomes a lifestyle, the Nai'xyy gets used to the lower amount of energy in their system (compared to if they flowed through all their powers in a non-obtrusive way), thinks of Xyy as "tiresome", "hypersensitive" (because it increases the HSP, which if it's not channeled or used right just turns into telegraphed nervousness), etc. The Zai feels very strong, like armor, because it is reactive (like Xai/~Fi), and has a very concrete, yes/no true/false quality to it. It is very good for helping use the Nai and the Xyy masterfully, but if it's used to escape the hypersensitivity of the Momentum side of the Nai'xyy, that causes Faux Zen, a habitual lifestyle of reduced energy that the person thinks is normal. Using so much Zai, it probably feels even more like the Xyy is a more "draining" power for you but it's actually not, it's draining because you don't trust yourself to use it as successfully and you don't have as much experience using it in a way where you're rewarded for it. For example, if you use Xyy to put down innocent people and your Xyy realizes that, you will experience a drain; or for example, if you're using your Xyy sensitivity to intuitively observe the relational dynamics in a social situation and feel inclined to say something but you hold yourself and keep yourself reserved (Xyy wants to move FORWARD as an Objective Discernment), this will cause you to feel "drained" even if you're using Xyy because you aren't fulfilling Xyy's agenda of structuring the external dynamics in a values-based way (the holding back actually is done through Zai). Same with giving a speech or a musical performance, which is very much Nai being channeled into Xyy - your performance has to connect to people for the power to be rewarded (by fulfilling the power's agenda).
Also, Xyy and Xai are very different and might be easiest to learn separately. Either way, Dark, you have Xyy, and Nai'xyy Xyy on top of that (which has a particular orating-like quality and prefers one-on-one interaction or "monologue-style", even in art), so that is the values-based power you want to understand first to understand PL's view on this better.
2. Yes, using too much Zai as a Nai'xyy will make you not trust your Momentum side Nai & Xyy intuitive people-reading judgments. People-reading, especially as a Nai'xyy, is very similar to the process of "intuiting art". Often, in this pro-scientific world, we only allow ourselves to use non-logical processes (at least "officially") when we are judging something we consider subjective, like whether we like a piece of art or not. At that point, we might allow ourselves to space out into the art, just absorbing, percolating, seeing "how do I feel about this?" This "how do I feel?" and feeling empty inside is a very very Nai thing - Nai needs to detach from its present assumptions to work, which gives it a very "Yin" quality that gets mistaken for Adaptive (~___P) in its early phases (if Nai is flowed through effectively it later takes on a very Directive style). One of the really confusing things for Nai'xyy is even though they're values-based, they often feel very cold inside...Nai likes to detach from present environment and assumptions and Zai is the other Subjective ("I") power, this creates a very cold world inside, and a hypersensitive nervous energy style (unless channeled into things like speech or overmodulated) on the outside world. Many many Nai'xyy relate to Nai and Zai but not to their Xyy (especially going all out with Xyy), because it makes them feel weak and sensitive and nervous, lots of adrenaline pumping in the body.
3. For the people you're saying are INFJs and INTJs, honestly, we'd have to mojo read them for me to give you the answer. One thing we've found is people new to Pod'Lair or in early training stages get really inaccurate reads with mojo configurations, and in general,
even trained readers have the hardest time accurately, objectively (through forensic evidence) correctly reading mojo configurations of people they know or are personally involved with. The degree people project traits onto other people they don't want to associate with themselves is enormous - that's why it's actually more typical than untypical that you complain about the manipulativeness of INFJs - these traits, especially the Xyy, which discerns and structures the external environment through values-based discernment probably seems overly controlling, judgmental, irrational, manipulative, etc - I also didn't want to identify with Xyy for a while, even when I realized I was a values-based mojo, because I saw a lot of people, especially guys, use it badly, in a way that's untactfully pushy and coersive, bullyish. Xyy can just as easily be used to be gentle and make people feel cared about and safe. However Xyy for Nai'xyy increases their hypersensitivity a lot and at first (without proper experience) makes you feel really moody and like you're out of control with your emotions - like one thing easily sets you off and so on. Nai'xyy's Xyy without maturity feels like it has serious anger problems toward really random things in the world ("triggers") which is why most Nai'xyy end up Zai'ing up too much after they had a bad experience where they really lost their temper, and wow they really lost it when they did!
4. Your mojo doesn't change, but you can alter your development, and you can definitely change how you use it. It's like your body, you can build muscles, become more flexible, less flexible, but the size of your bones are still the same. If you pull a muscle badly, unless you go to a chiropractor to have it fixed, you will have that muscle continously in the pulled position, but it isn't the way it naturally is, and it doesn't have to be that way - neither is it the most effective, natural position to be in. You are a Nai'xyy so the most momentous way to use your powers is to start with your Nai, and the channel that into your Xyy, then channel that into your Zai, then channel that into your Vyy. Thinking your function order is NTFS goes against this order, and it's why you don't have as much directive energy and energy in general as you could if you allowed your powers to flow better. Are you familiar with the psychology concept of "Flow"? This correct use of your powers, which we call "Peak Pathways" (another Pod'Lair unique discipline) is basically "good flow". What allows for "good flow" is different for different people, this is because they have different mojo configurations and different development. For example, in your case, you wouldn't just want to use more Xyy, you want to allow yourself to trust it and learn to use it in better flow. Learning to trust it is like learning to trust your instincts when playing an effective improvisatory solo on an instrument, or doing a backflip, you need to prepare your mind in a way that gives you good flow, so you don't doubt in the middle of your backflip jump and end up falling on your back. I know this all sounds like hot air right now, but even within a couple months, we could work on this and if you record yourself on camera throughout those months, if you are developing those powers more I guarantee you will have higher energy and your mind will be generating stuff with more creative intensity. Your speech will have more charismatic, persuasive qualities that many people around you (especially the well-developed ones) will pick up as charismatic, and actually, "more you"! This is because we really do look more natural when we are using our momentum powers, and flowing them into our modulation powers through our natural Peak Pathways. It's the whole "just be yourself, man!" - it's just with Nai'xyy, often "ourselves" is such a tremendously confusing thing (it comes with being Nai alpha) that it takes a lifetime of self-exploration to understand what our "selves" are, and that we do indeed, have a "self" under all those different "personas" that we've played throughout our life and discarded.
On different configurations:
Based on Pod'Lair's physiological observations, there are only 16 inherent mojo configurations. These are configurations that DON'T change throughout a person's lifetime, ie, even with different developments, if you show a high-level PL reader a video of someone when they were 14 versus 30 years old, the read still gives the same mojo. Development can alter tremendously over the course of a lifetime, but it's still the development of that particular mojo. You really start to see the truth of this when you see different playing styles of the same mojo, or know several people who are confirmed by a high-level reader that they aree the same mojo as you: there will be lots of really uncanny similarities on a very elemental level, that feels really weird when the other person has had a very different life or social upbringing (for example, scientist VS super-religious home). You can start to see past the "scientist must mean logic-based, super-religious must mean values-based" stereotypes, and see underneath all of that, what people are really doing. You can use Zai in religion, you can use it in science, it's still Zai. You really start to realize on a nuanced level what Zai really means, on a human, experiential, "my own life" level. =)
^but to do this, you need accurate reads in the first place. When I say Nai'xyy, it should be noted that almost none of the people that MBTI would call "INFJ" are Nai'xyy - they are more often than not, NOT Nai'xyy. So to observe this, you would have to observe it based on good Pod'Lair readings, which I'm willing to help with people who are seeking to understand this system better. I think you are definitely trying to understand this better, Dark, in your own very Nai'xyy way, hahah - I see a lot of similarities with the way I think and I sympathize, which is why I'm taking my time giving such an indepth explanation here to answer some of your major questions
Literals (~Sensors) and Interpretives (~Intuitives):
Overmodulation and Mojo:
Based on Pod'Lair statistics, the distribution between literals mojos and interpretives are about 50/50, in contrast to MBTI's (which ranges depending on the source but goes down to even 20% intuitive, 80% sensor). The main reason why there is a discrepancy in self-identification is because Interpretives tend to be overmodulated, including ones that rarely use their interpretive power...this can get really bad, because this is what we call "stress lock", where you have a permanently pulled psyche muscle, and you tend to suffer from not being able to make enough energy on your own ,and in result wanting to be passive-aggressive or even punish people who aren't doing the same as you, or are generating lots of energy successfully. Many interpretives and also values-based males tend to overmodulate their Offside ("tertiary function") to the point of stress-lock, this isn't unique to Nai'xyy but TONS of Nai'xyy do it. As crazy as this sounds, the majority of Interpretives are overmodulated to varying extents with the interpretive and values-based mojos getting hit the worst, there are a lot of not-great-energy not-very-happy people out there.
According to Pod'Lair's forensic method of mojo reading, there is a huge discrepancy in which mojos tend to have more people who are stress-locked or overmodulated, as well as which mojos tend to suffer from underdevelopment (because they never modulate, so they never learn to modulate in an effective way...if modulating ineffectively, that leads towards overmodulation or stresslock, if modulating effectively, that leads towards good development which makes you a more powerful person capable of doing more things). This is the very different results we get from MBTI because we have found a physiologically consistent way of reading innate configuration, no matter how overmodulated or differently the person is using their mojo compared to their Peak Pathway (the most energizing way to use your mojo configuration).
Freakout factor when people discover their Mojo:
- Misidentifying one's own mojo -
- Why do Interpretives ("N"s) so frequently misread their own mojo configuration?
This is also why there's a freakout factor with learning Pod'Lair, once you start to really realize how people are using their powers by seeing these cues and seeing how people are using their systems, realizing how many people are stresslocked, are in denial about how they actually work (adamantly saying they are "neutral and simply logical" when even non-people-readers can see they are clearly hypersensitive people), and then you view yourself on video and you can actually see for yourself what you're currently doing effectively and what you could be doing in a way that rewards yourself better with energy, what you could be doing in a way that doesn't punish yourself for doing things in a sensitive way...well there's a lot of freakout for that, especially for mojos like Nai'xyy that are used to wearing so many different social cloths, often self-aware of the different social roles they feel, feeling quite empty inside and confused about their "real" self-identify, to see empirically what you're doing by looking at your own face, remembering what was going on in your mind when you were doing those things with your face and talking about those things, and then realizing what exactly it means, experientially, to be using Nai, to be using Zai modulation, and so on. It's a lot to take in and you need to have a strong taste for detaching from your present assumptions of yourself and observing, observing!
This freakout factor causes a lot of people who are not so self-aware (ie metaphysically looking at themselves in the mirror) to potentially get really defensive and flip out into troll mode. I'm telling this to you Dark cuz even though you might not identify with Nai'xyy, I think you're on your Momentum side enough and self-aware enough that even though thinking of this possibility causes mental transition, it's one that can & and you're willing to make sense to you. People literally have flipped out on us for simply telling them their mojo, not even telling them of their current development and what exactly they're doing in their videos - some people work very, very hard to not admit to themselves what gives them energy and what requires obsessiveness to do well. I know in my own life too, I rarely like telling people their mojos unless they're on their Momentum side or are peaking through all their powers through their Peak Pathways (in which case they're really doing Momentum and Modulation at the same time, with the energy level of being on the Momentum side...an awesome thing to experience!), because it's about as comfortable for most people as being told the current state of their physical fitness & health and how they aesthetically come off to others. But like actors who are willing to watch themselves on camera while staying sensitively observant, the people who are willing to look at themselves in the mirror and not look away, not staying attached to the image they have inside their heads...those people will become very strong, they will develop themselves very quickly. Phew that's a lot of metaphors but I hope your Nai and Xyy enjoys them and gets the Zai principle that I'm getting across through the Nai & Xyy example =P
PS: Near's character wasn't really full-blooded enough for me to get a clear sense, but he's very similar to L and *could* be another Nai'xyy with heavy Zai (actually, the way they draw their faces kinda has that look to it too, which is really observant of the artist, to emulate the same human observations we're making). Light is very characteristically Nai'xyy, but in a very different style to L. In fact, Death Note itself (to the author's credit) points out the underlying similarity between Light and L, despite their seemingly opposite characteristics - didn't the wife of Raye Penbar who knew both L and Light mention that Light reminded her of L? Death Note's author is illustrating an observation that Pod'Lair has noted as well, through artistic observation (essentially people-reading in its own right) - that even with these two very different archetypes of characters, the way they are innately wired, the way their system's energy, priority, motivations, flow works, is actually very similar to each other. =)
PPS: Adymus, the end of your last post (right above mine) has some awesome awesome polar Xyy. Humor is such an awesome demonstration of Xyy powers XD