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Coolydudey

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Well, you know how we have confining to siberia, temp-banning and perma-banning? How about we convert that into temp-siberia, temp-ban and perma-siberia? I know I'm hardly the forum frequenter but I want to put it out there. I feel it could lead to the creation of a rather amusing and even interesting subforum, where banned members would linger for a bit before moving on. Just imagine the posts :D. Thoughts?
 

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Don't get banned RJB, I think your cool.
 

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To waste server space and bandwidth with the inevitable barrage of shitposting that would result? Nope. For that just go to a youtube video's comments and enjoy.

Some people are just clueless, assholes, butthurt, or all of them combined. The walls of the dark castle are there for a reason.
 

Coolydudey

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To waste server space and bandwidth with the inevitable barrage of shitposting that would result? Nope. For that just go to a youtube video's comments and enjoy.

Some people are just clueless, assholes, butthurt, or all of them combined. The walls of the dark castle are there for a reason.

Yeah this had occured to me. Basically you'd have to find a way to exclude them from the new post feed AND limit them to say two posts a day, and already the whole thing just starts to sound like too much effort. Still a cool idea though
 

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I love this idea. I forgot posts take up space though. What a shame. Well, good thinking anyway.
 

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It would be interesting if everyone was limited to two posts per day.
 

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Fuck that shit Cog. It would kill this forum.
 

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What would I do then? Go to Personality Cafe? Yeah right.
 

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I feel I would get banned there.
 

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LOL... before I got here :p J/k I know I don't have that kind of influence. But yeah, point seen.
 

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The idea is still cool: the permaban to siberia. Maybe the idea can be adapted to something like extended exiles to siberia for people who are at least capable of resembling good forumites. Because unless someone is really nothing but a troll, there will be those who enjoy further conversation with them. And if they honestly lack the restraint to keep from spam-posting, it won't be hard to turn it into a permaban.

Also, I am having a literal day and it's fun envisioning someone (like k-whatever-penis-dude that just got banned) pacing back and forth like a polar bear in a too-small enclosure.
 

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I think as said, this site has bandwidth problems, so what's the point in wasting usable bandwidth on caging up people who would otherwise be banned?

It means less posting (and possible site-downage) for people who are not banned.

Otherwise, I suppose it's always amusing to poke the animals.
 

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@Jenny,

I can think of 3 reasons off the top of my head why I don't like being poked:

1. Its annoying

2. Its confusing

3. Its not tolerated in zoos so it shouldn't be tolerated irl either.
 

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@Jenny,

I can think of 3 reasons off the top of my head why I don't like being poked:

1. Its annoying

2. Its confusing

3. Its not tolerated in zoos so it shouldn't be tolerated irl either.

Because havent experienced the existence of pleasurable poking so you deem all poking bad..
 

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@Jenny,

I can think of 3 reasons off the top of my head why I don't like being poked:

1. Its annoying

2. Its confusing

3. Its not tolerated in zoos so it shouldn't be tolerated irl either.

How about tickling?
Are you okay with tickling?
 

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Fuck no! I hate tickling. Unless the girl is really into it I suppose I could tolerate it for a bit, but generally not a fan of that kind of physical contact. I don't mind smoochy smooch or a bit of cuddling but I'm not really a playful lover.
 

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Okay, poking it is!
 

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Gawd Dam. What the hell Jenny. heheh
 

Coolydudey

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Well if they were confined to two posts a day there wouldn't be any bandwidth issue as they should soon give up and leave anyway. Also, it will in hopefully in some cases stop the annoying creating new account business. All that said, I have no idea how possible any of this is, so I say no more
 

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Matthew 7:12

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
 

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This post is taking up aprox 57 bytes without the header!

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Stupid posts like that at 1000 per day is 57kb or 0.057mb over a year that is 20.85mb.

The cost of everyone reloading the page 20 times a day? Priceless!
 

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...and for everything else, there's hacking your neighbor's wifi.
 

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You can always change your IP address and pretend to be someone else as well.
 

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Maybe the forum needs to undergo some pruning. Fresh ideas and a fresh start? Seems like the INTP thing to do... :rolleyes:

I think as said, this site has bandwidth problems, so what's the point in wasting usable bandwidth on caging up people who would otherwise be banned?

It means less posting (and possible site-downage) for people who are not banned.

Page loading issues are typically due to serving content from a database. It could be remedied by serving static content via caching and other optimizations. If a thread is closed, or hasn't been updated in a while, then it's best to cache. Save the database connections for the active conversations. vBulletin is pretty much the best forum software that there is so there should be options or plugins to solve any load-time issues. Sorry to get overly technical... :eek:
 

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Maybe the forum needs to undergo some pruning. Fresh ideas and a fresh start? Seems like the INTP thing to do... :rolleyes:



Page loading issues are typically due to serving content from a database. It could be remedied by serving static content via caching and other optimizations. If a thread is closed, or hasn't been updated in a while, then it's best to cache. Save the database connections for the active conversations. vBulletin is pretty much the best forum software that there is so there should be options or plugins to solve any load-time issues. Sorry to get overly technical... :eek:
Doesn't bother me. *shrug* I'm a mod and admin on other sites and mess with some plugins, I just haven't had that issue on those sites, so I'm not knowledgeable on those types of plugins.

But apparently the hosting plan being used here has a monthly limit and we've hit it before, resulting in the site being inaccessible until the new month rolls around. So maybe something could be optimized.
 

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Siberia was removed based on the logic that if a member is to be punished, why not just temp ban them outright instead of giving them a venue (albeit a limited one) to continue with undesirable behavior? It's true, train wrecks are amusing to observe but noxious behavior tends to attract more noxious behavior and is that good? For example, you have a person that is trolling and getting a lot of responses from it. If somebody is being an asshole people normally return in kind and that makes more than one person to stoop at an undesirable level of behavior and it drags down the overall level of conversation.

If a person is to be perma banned, what does isolating them in a cage where people can come to poke and mock them accomplish, except perhaps the sadistic pleasure of the onlookers? The banned to be person gets nothing from having their participation limited in such a way, but they would probably be frustrated with not being able to participate in other threads of interest.

It seems like you are looking for a middle ground position, a lesser evil, but I don't think this is it.


There is a text I read some months ago I find is very pertinent to the anti authoritarian, anti banning attitudes that some members have and that flare up like a bad eczema whenever a ban happens.


Geek social fallacies

Within the constellation of allied hobbies and subcultures collectively known as geekdom, one finds many social groups bent under a crushing burden of dysfunction, social drama, and general interpersonal wack-ness. It is my opinion that many of these never-ending crises are sparked off by an assortment of pernicious social fallacies -- ideas about human interaction which spur their holders to do terrible and stupid things to themselves and to each other.


Social fallacies are particularly insidious because they tend to be exaggerated versions of notions that are themselves entirely reasonable and unobjectionable. It's difficult to debunk the pathological fallacy without seeming to argue against its reasonable form; therefore, once it establishes itself, a social fallacy is extremely difficult to dislodge. It's my hope that drawing attention to some of them may be a step in the right direction.


I want to note that I'm not trying to say that every geek subscribes to every one of the fallacies I outline here; every individual subscribes to a different set of ideas, and adheres to any given idea with a different amount of zeal.

In any event, here are five geek social fallacies I've identified. There are likely more.


Geek Social Fallacy #1: Ostracizers Are Evil

GSF1 is one of the most common fallacies, and one of the most deeply held. Many geeks have had horrible, humiliating, and formative experiences with ostracism, and the notion of being on the other side of the transaction is repugnant to them.

In its non-pathological form, GSF1 is benign, and even commendable: it is long past time we all grew up and stopped with the junior high popularity games. However, in its pathological form, GSF1 prevents its carrier from participating in -- or tolerating -- the exclusion of anyone from anything, be it a party, a comic book store, or a web forum, and no matter how obnoxious, offensive, or aromatic the prospective excludee may be.

As a result, nearly every geek social group of significant size has at least one member that 80% of the members hate, and the remaining 20% merely tolerate. If GSF1 exists in sufficient concentration -- and it usually does -- it is impossible to expel a person who actively detracts from every social event. GSF1 protocol permits you not to invite someone you don't like to a given event, but if someone spills the beans and our hypothetical Cat Piss Man invites himself, there is no recourse. You must put up with him, or you will be an Evil Ostracizer and might as well go out for the football team.

This phenomenon has a number of unpleasant consequences. For one thing, it actively hinders the wider acceptance of geek-related activities: I don't know that RPGs and comics would be more popular if there were fewer trolls who smell of cheese hassling the new blood, but I'm sure it couldn't hurt. For another, when nothing smacking of social selectiveness can be discussed in public, people inevitably begin to organize activities in secret. These conspiracies often lead to more problems down the line, and the end result is as juvenile as anything a seventh-grader ever dreamed of.
 

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Siberia was removed based on the logic that if a member is to be punished, why not just temp ban them outright instead of giving them a venue (albeit a limited one) to continue with undesirable behavior? It's true, train wrecks are amusing to observe but noxious behavior tends to attract more noxious behavior and is that good? For example, you have a person that is trolling and getting a lot of responses from it. If somebody is being an asshole people normally return in kind and that makes more than one person to stoop at an undesirable level of behavior and it drags down the overall level of conversation.

Very good point! Trolls do it for the attention. If you give it to them, then you are supporting the behavior.

If a person is to be perma banned, what does isolating them in a cage where people can come to poke and mock them accomplish, except perhaps the sadistic pleasure of the onlookers? The banned to be person gets nothing from having their participation limited in such a way, but they would probably be frustrated with not being able to participate in other threads of interest.

It seems like you are looking for a middle ground position, a lesser evil, but I don't think this is it.

If we could solve this problem, then we could apply it to our current crime and punishment system as a whole. It would be deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize.

The more time that I spend in the forum, the more I wonder what would happen if we all worked together towards a common goal; what do you think would happen? This forum as an aggregate is probably capable of solving some real problems but there is too much conflict and shame for that to happen here.

It's a shame because we could make millions instead of rotting away at our computers fantasizing about it could be.
 

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There is a text I read some months ago I find is very pertinent to the anti authoritarian, anti banning attitudes that some members have and that flare up like a bad eczema whenever a ban happens.


Geek social fallacies

That is true, providing the banned member was taken out objectively, rather than for some personal annoyance of a small minority with power (it happens).

This forum has an ignore function too which, from the forum's past, few seem to use or even be aware of. I myself have a built in ignore function where I simply skim over things I don't find important.

I dig that some people can be complete dicks to everyone and do nothing but spam nonsense in every thread; however, not all are like that which is why people voice their disapproval for such a banning. In fact, I'd wager that's how 99% of said arguments begin.
 

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The more time that I spend in the forum, the more I wonder what would happen if we all worked together towards a common goal; what do you think would happen? This forum as an aggregate is probably capable of solving some real problems but there is too much conflict and shame for that to happen here.

I don't know what you mean by shame and conflict.
 

Fukyo

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Shame = people who are too shy to voice their opinion.
Conflict = people who attack those who are shy and belittle their opinions.

This is pretty vague. I'm not sure if you're trying to say/address something specific. It would be nice if you explained more.
 

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If we could solve this problem, then we could apply it to our current crime and punishment system as a whole. It would be deserving of a Nobel Peace Prize.

The more time that I spend in the forum, the more I wonder what would happen if we all worked together towards a common goal; what do you think would happen? This forum as an aggregate is probably capable of solving some real problems but there is too much conflict and shame for that to happen here.

It's a shame because we could make millions instead of rotting away at our computers fantasizing about it could be.

Are you talking about a system for rehabilitating these individuals?
 

Coolydudey

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If a person is to be perma banned, what does isolating them in a cage where people can come to poke and mock them accomplish, except perhaps the sadistic pleasure of the onlookers? The banned to be person gets nothing from having their participation limited in such a way, but they would probably be frustrated with not being able to participate in other threads of interest.

It seems like you are looking for a middle ground position, a lesser evil, but I don't think this is it.

Geek social fallacies

Nice link!

Anyway, the point of the new Siberia as I envisioned it was three-fold, and has nothing to do with poking, although in hindsight that may be inevitable. This could of course be controlled and people who are nasty to those in Siberia could themselves run into trouble (banning), although that is yet again more effort.

The point was:
a) to give them an easier passage away from the forum. It's clearly better than an outright perma-ban.
b) so that members who so wish can have a discussion with them
c) well, so that we can laugh at them :D
 

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@OP, Is this really a serious request?
 

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Are you talking about a system for rehabilitating these individuals?

A computer sweatshop program, solving the problems of the world.
 

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Are you talking about a system for rehabilitating these individuals?

No, I was suggesting that if we could find a solution as a community in a forum, then it would applicable to the prison system.

Governments create more criminals than existed to begin with. Rehabilitation is less of an issue.
 

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I support the ban hammer. And this seems like the beginning of a uprising. Quick mods, act fast before it gains momentum. Ban them all!
 

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Hey, looks like the ban's all getting back together!
 

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On another intp forum I'm aware of, we go about it like so.
1. warnings as appropriate
2. for lesser offenses athwart warnings (or clearly stated rules), temporary isolation in a kind of penalty box forum.
3. for breaking harder rules and/or persistent no-nos, a temp-ban.
4. repeated offenses = permament-ban
5. for the really virulent/persistent trolls who come back with socks through proxies athwart bans, we have a special forum where nobody can see them, they can't see anybody (or any other forum) -- except, the staff AND a special volunteer-army of "counter trolls". This has worked well, on the theory that you take away a troll's audience and the troll loses interest.

Nothing's ever perfect, but this has worked more than it hasn't (so far).
 
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