Attractiveness?

[Asshatting]

As a woman, I know I should dress a bit more presentable but I can't be fucked with it. I turn heads when I dress up but just do not like the attention.

Edit: I think I am reasonably attractive. Some people have told me I am beautiful, others, ugly, but most people seem to be quite fond of me. It's probably my mocha skin tone, thick thighs, legs and ass though.

 

[CoryJames]

I feel like I would less likely be fond of you, probably just be fond of your legs and backside. You have a bit of a pottymouth, which, (as we are so fond of the non-physical here) is unattractive in a lady.

Sad.

 

[dark]

Awe, well, I wont vote but I can linger around, but I agree with most people who said attractiveness is a matter of perception, since each of us view attractiveness differently, the use of the word is sort of redundant. But there is no denying some people have a more healthy physical appearance than others, but even those may no be seen as attractive, at least by me, if their internal mental health doesn't match a certain form I believe in, if that makes sense at all. I do not hold physical appearance as the ultimatum. I really dislike gossipy people and people that are shallow as hell, I don't care how hot the girl is, I wont even want to talk to her.

 

[Linsejko]

You didn't mean redundant, I think. I'm pretty sure you were aiming more for something like "meaningless", as in the word loses meaning since it is completely subjective.

Following that, though there are certainly subjective factors in rating attractiveness, there is far that is true objectively concerning beauty than subjectively, and often subjectivity only will distinguish between extremely attractive vs. attractive. (Meaning we all have our own personal set of preferences when it comes to the finer details.)

Cory, others: how many times do I have to repeat that this thread has nothing to do with any kind of attractiveness other than that which is skin deep? There's another thread for whole-self attractiveness, of which the physical plays but a minor part.

.L

 

[Zero]

To some extent I have to think about this. I want more tattoo, piercings and such, because they appeal my curiosity and sense of aesthetics. In my own opinion I'm boring and ugly.

I use to get compliments, but not so much since I've endeavored on my journey of this self identified sense of aesthetics and attractivenesses. Now they flee from my path and I will admit that I kind of like it.

 

[Melkor]

Yo Melkor. You hot kid.

(He will believe me. My opinion is highly valued. Specifically today, as I have been so full of great posts)

I am somewhat offended that you disagree with me.

Speiss, I don't think your opinion on a mere few pictures counts.x-x.

 

[Bird]

You know you're flattered.

 

[BigApplePi]

How many INTPs here would consider themselves attractive?

Seeming as we have a strong leaning toward geek/nerd members, I'm curious if there's any correlation between how attractive we are.

This is an odd thread, though... One can't help but seem vain to say one is attractive. So, for this thread, there is no ridiculing, and no assuming one is vain. Everything is to be taken at face value. There's also no need to be self-depricating, or to include jokes to try and make your blunt statement a little more acceptable.

Just be straightforward.

For instance; I am an attractive male. My biggest flaw is probably that I'm 5'9/5'10, which is on the short side of average. My hair is quite long, and sometimes it looks great--but sometimes it looks really messy.

.L

Depends on who's looking. If I'm smiling or look enthusiastic I'm attractive. It's your lucky day.

If I'm glum and look down at the floor, I can't tell because I'm not looking at you. I assume that I'm unattractive but don't come over to me and say that because I don't wanna talk to you.

 

[Eclipse]

I'm between somewhat attractive and somewhat unnattractive. For reasons unknown, everybody thinks I'm attractive but me.

I've been complimented on:

- Deep blue eyes: my best friend swore they were the best she'd ever seen...hmm.
- Blonde, surfer-styled hair: I gel my hair to look spiky/ messy. Plus I have sideburns.
- Muscular build: I'm no Hulk Hogan, but my shoulders are broad and I have definition.
- Air of mystery: I lol'd when I heard that one.

On the other hand:

- Shadowy expression: evidently I'm a creeper.
- Too quiet: naturally.
- Uneven facial hair: I usually have a fair amount of stubble. I'm italian and far too lazy to shave every other day (a winning combination, right?)
- Flabby stomach: I was pretty thick as a freshmen. I'm a junior now and have lost at least 60 pounds, but I'll never have a six-pack.
- Plain clothes: shorts and t-shirt. All the time. That's it.

 

[Lobstrich]

I guess I'm attractive compared the the general guy around my age. They are usually very stuffy, and 'pimbled' - Which I am not. But I am very skinny and pale though.

I still think being attractive is relative. You know, I could be a top model if you asked X, but Y would probably think me for a homeless guy.. It depends.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Why is it that everyone thinks they're more or less attractive? Let's face facts, there is a scale of attractiveness, and someone has to be near the bottom.

 

[Stoic Beverage]

Why is it that everyone thinks they're more or less attractive? Let's face facts, there is a scale of attractiveness, and someone has to be near the bottom.

I'm sure there are plenty of those people on this forum. However, I don't think they would post in this thread to announce that. If I were horribly deformed and nasty (not saying that anyone here is), I might vote in the poll honestly, but then I'd just move to another thread. I wouldn't actually bother to make a post announcing my deformities. Not exactly a feel-good activity.

 

[JoeJoe]

Why is it that everyone thinks they're more or less attractive? Let's face facts, there is a scale of attractiveness, and someone has to be near the bottom.

I think the average person would be somewhat attractive. It's not like an IQ scale where 100 is in the middle. When I look at the girls in my class, I'd say more than half of them is at least somewhat attractive, with barely anyone really unattractive. And then again, those could be more attractive, if they'd put some more effort into their looks.

It would be different, if we were to estimate whether we are above average or below average looking.

 

[SpaceYeti]

In high school most people look good. Young people are attractive.

 

[BigApplePi]

Why is it that everyone thinks they're more or less attractive? Let's face facts, there is a scale of attractiveness, and someone has to be near the bottom.

I'm not ready to say attractiveness is linear, as opposed to relative. That is, if you feel unattractive as has been said some INTPs say about themselves, go with those whom you like. Your attractiveness will increase. Maybe that is why we have an INTP forum.

Does a toad in the field find another toad of opposite sex unattractive?

 

[SpaceYeti]

It's not about it being linear, it's about the necessity of a bottom.

 

[Audentia]

No, quite the opposite. It is exactly about how other people see you--and alas, I can't help that some bias about how you see yourself will likely creep in, but... That's life. It isn't a perfect poll.

Evidence: I have been told by 2 women unsolicited this year that I am fantastically beautiful. I also asked my sister this summer when I saw her to confirm or deny. She said that I was, indeed, a very attractive male.

I have various other evidences from growing up, but this is just taking recent material into account.

Bird: Don't vote in the poll, but do share here.

Symmetry is an important characteristic of attractiveness, but it is not enough alone.

Girls do show initial interest in me because of my looks, but my obscureness and my general disinterest (I'm unbelievably picky in regards to women, and might find a woman every year or two that interests me) generally finish things before they start, which is fine by me.

.L

Ditto. Though I've never been told I'm "fantastically beautiful." But things like, beautiful, hot, you should model, etc by near strangers (men and women). And I don't understand it tbh, although it's certainly flattering. Because I see myself as kind of a nerd/dork in ways and a goof and to me there are many much more beautiful women out there. I don't care enough about it to put much effort into how I look.

Likewise about finding someone every year or two that might interest me. Aside from that I stay pretty obscure and not easy for a guy to get close to outside of friendship.

The inner person matters more than the outer person.. attractiveness is nice, but a person becomes seriously unattractive with a shitty attitude, huge ego, self-absorbed, and not genuinely a nice/good person.

And having healthy confidence/outlook counts for a lot.. insecure with a big ego to compensate is *yuke*.

 

[BigApplePi]

It's not about it being linear, it's about the necessity of a bottom.

You mean some are at the bottom EVERYWHERE?

 

[SpaceYeti]

You mean some are at the bottom EVERYWHERE?

Or near it, usually.

 

[BigApplePi]

Umm. I would want to distinguish the malformed from just mildly deviant. A couple weeks ago I went to the bottle recycling return. One requires a modest intelligence to be able to separate glass from metal from plastic for insertion at the three respective machines. A man was there returning such as was I. He had a couple of young boys with him. I noticed each had modules all over their faces. Looked like a birth deformity as opposed to disease. Not sure if the kids were feeble-minded. But it wasn't easily forgettable and I didn't inquire. Don't know what the name for this unfortunate condition was but I had seen it before. Not attractive except perhaps to the medical profession.

I assume we are talking about those who would be accepted into regular society but might fail some norm.

 

[gruesomebrat]

Yeti, I'm not so sure that you can really base anything off of this, though. If you think about it, very few people would consider themselves truly unattractive. I think, in today's shallow society, most people look at the deformed as being unattractive, and even if you're nowhere near attractive, you can look at someone with a genetic deformation, and say, "Well, I'm not as unattractive as he, therefore I'm relatively attractive." Because this thread is asking our own opinions of our attractiveness, it makes sense that you won't find many people posting that they're unattractive.

On the other hand, looking through the posts that have been made, it strikes me that a good number of us are saying that we don't consider ourselves attractive, but that other people often seem to compliment us on our looks.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Yeti, I'm not so sure that you can really base anything off of this, though. If you think about it, very few people would consider themselves truly unattractive. I think, in today's shallow society, most people look at the deformed as being unattractive, and even if you're nowhere near attractive, you can look at someone with a genetic deformation, and say, "Well, I'm not as unattractive as he, therefore I'm relatively attractive." Because this thread is asking our own opinions of our attractiveness, it makes sense that you won't find many people posting that they're unattractive.

On the other hand, looking through the posts that have been made, it strikes me that a good number of us are saying that we don't consider ourselves attractive, but that other people often seem to compliment us on our looks.

Even ugly people get compliments so that their self esteem doesn't drop, though. We people tend to be nice, even if it requires a lie. Also, I couldn't claim I wasn't just tossing a log in to see some fire. I want to see who thinks, yeah, they're pretty ugly.

Anyone?

 

[snafupants]

I am one of these three people:

HOW SHOULD I VOTE???

That girl on the right, your left, could lei me all she likes - god bless her. Yes, hang loose indeed girls.

 

[cheese]

Even ugly people get compliments so that their self esteem doesn't drop, though. We people tend to be nice, even if it requires a lie. Also, I couldn't claim I wasn't just tossing a log in to see some fire. I want to see who thinks, yeah, they're pretty ugly.

Anyone?

Well I'm not deformed, but yeah, pretty ugly. Only adds to the charm eh....ladies.

YouTube - Demetri Martin on the Word "Ladies"

 

[SpaceYeti]

I like chicks who aren't super hot if their personality is good and meets my requirements.

 

[Bird]

I think I'd be more pleased if
I weighed sixteen additional
pounds.

 

[Minuend]

I am not "objectively" pretty (though it's a terribly misleading word in this case), but unless I'm in a bad mood I don't go around and think that I am ugly.

1. We are biased to think good about ourselves
2. Going around thinking nasty things about oneself isn't that constructive (though in my case, I concentrate my self-loathing on my personality, appearance isn't that important to me)
3. There will always be someone who find you attractive anyway
4. It's still possible to win the Nobel prize of various sciences
5. People generally treat you well if you smile and act pleasant towards them. At least the majority of humans I meet treat me fairly respectfully. Except for my dentist, that bitch hates me. I think he is personally offended I might have forgotten about flossing occasionally.

CHEESE you are beautiful in every single way words cant bring me down, no wait

 

[cheese]

Who says I'm fussed or overly negative, I'm just honest, I'm a happy person and my face brings me lots of... I mean I get tons of...I'm just inundated with... uh, stuff. You do believe me right? My room is like the earth after the floodwaters receded. By which I mean earthworms everywhere. Just like MYFACE YOURFACE. And uh, anyway, necrophilia is a niche market yknow, one day someone will love me for who I am, or at least donate my body to SCIENCE *glances at Cog*

And Christina Fuglyera isn't really a favourite role model, but I'll overlook the inclusion of that (surprisingly good) song for YOURMUM YOU, Minuend.

 

[Minuend]

Oh, cheesy, baby, only the last sentence was meant for you

Of course you aren't overly negative, my fuzzy doll

 

[Vegard Pompey]

Why is it that everyone thinks they're more or less attractive? Let's face facts, there is a scale of attractiveness, and someone has to be near the bottom.

INTPs are hardly the crowd you need to be telling to be less self-confident.

I voted 'unattractive'. I have bad acne, a significant overbite, and although I find myself neither too skinny nor fat, I'm not terribly fit.

In high school most people look good. Young people are attractive.

And most of the members of this forum are young.

 

[Lobstrich]

Why is it that everyone thinks they're more or less attractive? Let's face facts, there is a scale of attractiveness, and someone has to be near the bottom.

Do you consider yourself near the bottom?? Or are you just being a hypocrite?


The reason I think the norm here is 'somewhat' is because most of us are so self-aware and logical that we know we're all somewhat attractive..
Being straight out ugly is actually kinda rare.

 

[JoeJoe]

In high school most people look good. Young people are attractive.

What Vegard said.

Anyway, I voted somewhat unattractive.

Spoiler

 

[SpaceYeti]

Do you consider yourself near the bottom?? Or are you just being a hypocrite?

Of course not!
<-- Check that guy out! I'd hit it.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I think I'd be more pleased if
I weighed sixteen additional
pounds.

Then eat more?

 

[SpaceYeti]

And most of the members of this forum are young.

Too young, yes.

 

[SpaceYeti]

It's not as easy as eating more.


I'm considering being slightly
offended that you think I haven't
thought of this.

Well, why are you so skinny? Maybe you should exercise more while eating more. And go ahead and be offended by anything you want to be. I'm done trying to figure out how to not offend people.

 

[Lobstrich]

It's not as easy as eating more.


I'm considering being slightly
offended that you think I haven't
thought of this.

Stop being so easily offended.. I'm around 188cm myself. I weigh 55kg (110pounds) I now what it's like being underweight. Spaceyeti's suggestion was just a ignorant suggestion. You can't really expect him to know everything about you.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Stop being so easily offended.. I'm around 188cm myself. I weigh 55kg (110pounds) I now what it's like being underweight. Spaceyeti's suggestion was just a ignorant suggestion. You can't really expect him to know everything about you.

Yes she could! It'd be irrational, sure, but my original post was more a joke anyhow.

I could make a program where she gained weight. And not just fat, I mean real weight.

 

[Bird]

Am I really easily offended if I have to
make the conscious effort to be offended?

No. Lobstrich. No.


I also find your statement incredibly ironic.
Just earlier you were making the statement
that I should know how you feel about INTPs.
And here you are telling me I shouldn't
expect SpaceYeti to know everything about
me.

Please, where did I imply that I expect
Monsieur Yeti to know everything about me?
The only reason you're even commenting on
this is because I've said something to offend
you in a different thread. Otherwise I doubt
you'd waste your time typing up meaningless
responses.



Now - SpaceYeti.
I actually have been considering running less
and eating more but I'm weird about food
and running has become an unhealthy habit.


I appreciate your suggestions.
Please do not think otherwise.


And I've always been skinny. I barely
weighed anything when I was born.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Definitely don't run if you're looking to gain weight. Running is pretty much the single best way to lose weight. Well, you should still run a bit, but only to remain tone, perhaps. I'd actually suggest a good combination of weight training every single muscle group, maybe focusing on mid-section. Eat a lot of protein, but definitely don't ignore your other nutrients. After a while, you can weight train a bit less, after gaining, say, 5 pounds, but continue the diet. It's a long term plan, but it's a plan.

If you run to the point it's unhealthy, definitely don't do that so much.

 

[SpaceYeti]

I think we found the problem, then! Not even Peanut Butter?

 

[Lobstrich]

Am I really easily offended if I have to
make the conscious effort to be offended?

No. Lobstrich. No.

Yes, I think you are. Why do you make a conscious effort to be offended in the first place?

I also find your statement incredibly ironic.
Just early you were making the statement
that I should know how you feel about INTPs.
And here you are telling me I shouldn't
expect SpaceYeti to know everything about
me.

You mean in the Hypersomnia thread? No, I said that you could not expect me to know all about your thoughts. And no, I never said that you should know how I feel about INTP's??
And yes, here I am. Telling you not to expect SpaceYeti to know everything about you, because that would not be fair. Such a thing cannot be expected from anyone.

Please, where did I imply that I expect
Monsieur Yeti to know everything about me?
The only reason you're even commenting on
this is because I've said something to offend
you in a different thread. Otherwise I doubt
you'd waste your time typing up meaningless
responses.

Why are you assuming I'm only responding here because I'm 'mad'? I'm not mad.. I'm responding because I think you take things to personally, like I also felt when we had the 'wall conversation'

Where did you imply he should expect to know all about you? Well he made a suggestion. And you responded "As if I haven't tried that, you've offended me" You were offended because you had already thought of that before. And I think you are easily offended because in my opnion you should not be offended by his suggestion. Because how would he know that it had already crossed your mind? Had he known he would probably not suggest it.

 

[SpaceYeti]

Actually, eating more is a common suggestion on how to gain weight, as well as simply being intuitive. I only stated that she should try it as a joke, as though it weren't obvious.

 

[Linsejko]

This is going nowhere, fellas. Cut it out. Joke, half serious response, annoyed response at response, and then a string of argument and justifications about nothing... Let's move on.

Bird, how attractive would you be if you weighed sixteen additional pounds? On another note, would you rather weight 16 pounds too many?

.L

 

[JoeJoe]

Would her current weight plus 32 pounds be 16 pounds too many? I guess not.

But stating 16 pounds too much would be better, than 16 pounds too little would imply a non-symmetrical curve of attractiveness versus weight...

Spoiler

wow, that was probably superfluous...

 

[Lobstrich]

This is going nowhere, fellas. Cut it out. Joke, half serious response, annoyed response at response, and then a string of argument and justifications about nothing... Let's move on.

Bird, how attractive would you be if you weighed sixteen additional pounds? On another note, would you rather weight 16 pounds too many?

.L

Cut what out? It's not like my posts are "one-line trolling sentences"

 

[JoeJoe]

You need to include height on your graph darling.

Since I did not add any concrete numbers, the weight scale can start and end wherever one wants it to. In order to adequately add weight without skewing the graph I'd have to use something like the BMI....

 

[Fukyo]

Cut what out? It's not like my posts are "one-line trolling sentences"

Considering you bitch every time one of your threads gets off topic, you should understand that others want to keep theirs on topic too.

 

[SpaceYeti]

breasts

Huh? What? I'm paying attention, now.

 

[JoeJoe]

Bird, you must post pics for us to scrutinize and judge...