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Analyzing vs living

Renk Fasze

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I think INTP's a so naturally drawn to analyze their surroundings that they sometimes forget to just live. We unintentionally limit ourselves.

Just a random thought, i find ive passed much of my time analyzing the whys and hows of my surroundings rather than just rolling with it and enjoying myself.

Of course that is not to say that i still don't/won't analyze now, i enjoy it but balance seems to be the key to many things.
 

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I shall start a devil's advocate: Analyzing is for losers... yes, that makes me a hypocrite!!!
Ah ha ha! :twisteddevil:
 

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... Facepalm.

Anyway, I understand what you are saying. I used to have no idea that people weren't analysing all the time and my friends and parents told me I thought too much.

I started realizing that perhaps I did and tried to change that... Shit ensued etc.

The best way to deal with this situation is to just go with the flow and enjoy the way you are, analysing is also living, who said it wasn't so ? It may not be widely publicised as being fun and good for you but... You are who you are and have the mind you have.

I don't support changes in the way one internally interacts with the world.
 

Renk Fasze

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Ranon: Seems like you know where im coming from. I really love to analyze but im beginning to see that i analyze things too much and forget to live. I know i will never stop analyzing because it is part of my core but it has to be reigned in. Too much of a good thing is a bad thing.

Ash: Haha, sure give me your thoughts. I'm kinda cryptic with the ideas i present. Looking to see if anyone else has my frame of mind or if has any alternate ideas to present, im open to anything crazy or not.
 

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If you don't analyze everything, you don't learn as much. For instance, you analyzed yourself to discover that you felt inhibited by your analyzing. And finding the answer to your question could potentially improve your life, eh?
So here is my question. What is life if you don't seek to find order in it and to improve upon it? It's just a bunch of things happening to you then. Even if something good happens, you need to analyze it to discover how you could recover that thing in the future, or how the event could change your perspective.
Analyzing is just the result of being conscious, I think. But you do need to put some limits to your analyzing if you find you are driving it into the ground... if you do it beyond the point of it being helpful and are actually making your life worse by the level you do it to.
Either way, analyzing or not, you can make your life better or worse. So I agree that there needs to be a balance to make sure you find the level that most benefits you.
 

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Analyzing is a part of living, a rather big part for an INTP.


But I see what you are saying, and I agree with it. Give in to the unknown, and don't worry so much about what might happen.

Basically, surrender to the Ne of the world, and then analyze it later.
 

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That's the ticket Adymus.
 

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Hmm... For once, I just learned how to enjoy analysis, I find pleasure in it and play games with reality.
 

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There's a reason why humans need to analyze and a group of which focused on analyzing.
 

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I agree Words, there is a reason. It can be very productive but overused it can rob ones life.

There is a reason there are people that analyze. There is a reason for those who don't analyze.

If it wasn't for analytical people i would imagine there would be very few systems and few people would delve into any of life's mysteries.

On the same note if there weren't people who didn't analyze, life would be more on the bland side.

Goes back to the same idea of balance. As much as i hate to admit, it is really about balance but at the same time it isn't.

Hahaha, even that is a balance, neither side has the upper hand.

Cheers, im going to sleep.
 

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Alas, I too analyze constantly and I view it as a very bad habit. It has become ingrained as part of my personality. The problem with analysis is that it is basically a destructive process. re;
analysis |əˈnaləsis|
noun ( pl. -ses |-ˌsēz|)
detailed examination of the elements or structure of something, typically as a basis for discussion or interpretation : statistical analysis | an analysis of popular culture.
• the process of separating something into its constituent elements. Often contrasted with synthesis .
• the identification and measurement of the chemical constituents of a substance or specimen.
• short for psychoanalysis .
• Linguistics the use of separate, short words and word order rather than inflection or agglutination to express grammatical structure.
• Mathematics the part of mathematics concerned with the theory of functions and the use of limits, continuity, and the operations of calculus.

ORIGIN late 16th cent.: via medieval Latin from Greek analusis, from analuein ‘unloose,’ from ana- ‘up’ + luein ‘loosen.’

So analysis involves separating an experience into components, rather than looking for the holistic 'meaning" to a work of Art or a relationship with an Other. It is at contrast with a state of mind that is just "Being". After all, so much of human experience defies analysis, so why bother trying - do something creative instead...
 

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Destructive, yes, you've hit the nail on the head Blob...

Achieving a healthy balance between analysing and living is something I am constantly dealing with. Part of the reason is, I don't often find it easy to "live", ie, engage with the world, or be creative. But I do seem to be able to grit something out when I put the effort in. I also concede that there are some who just live more engaged than I do - for most of my life I wanted to be a Casanova or a Zorba or a Dean Moriarty but I'm coming to terms now (or trying to) that I'm not on their level, and I don't have to be in order to be happy. In fact, rather than constant love affairs and escapades, in reality I'm actually fairly content with only the occasional one.

Also, spending too much time here can have an adverse effect imo. I find myself pushing my Ti even harder than usual in order to keep up with the many intelligent posts. I think it's good for me to be around all different people: NFs, ESs, NTJs and even STJs (mostly NFs, though :D)
 

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Yes, I would love to be able to not analyze more often. I find it's very hard for me to establish a feeling of truly being here in the moment. It's as if I'm always somewhere other than where I am. I sometimes envy Se types for this. They seem able to simply jump on things and go for the ride, while I'm sitting there trying to understand how the ride works or what caused the ride to exist.

I think the solution is to become humble enough to accept the absurdity/silliness of yourself and life. Analytical people often feel that living in the moment makes them feel 'silly' but you could easily say that constant analysis is silly as well. It seems that we are all doomed to silliness so we should embrace it, imo. Is randomly dancing about any sillier than anything else? Probably not.
 

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Decisions must be made. In order to make the best decision, we think. We have the ability to be proactive and to predict an outcome rather than to simply respond to a situation. I do often ponder in situations where others may only experience. For me, I wouldn't change my ability to ponder for anything. I love my curiosity. I believe I am curious because I seek to accumulate data that may be useful for decisions in the future, even if the use is not immediately apparent.

Thinking, as it seems to me, is the process of coming to a decision. The more you think about a topic the longer it takes to make a decision. Thinking can lead to a more robust solution, it can also lead to no solution.

In philosophical terms, in order to feel any personal level of success, at some point you need to lay some sort of a foundation. One needs some underlying decision that will hold at least some sort of influence on other value judgements. What is most valuable to me? How do I determine whether I am supporting what is valuable to me? Is that not how we determine success? Not all decisions are based upon that foundation, but you may be surprised by the scope of those that are.

What should I eat today? Well, should I strive to be healthy or not? Should I avoid eating meat so I don't support the violent methods used to produce it? Will being healthy assist in supporting my underlying values in some fundamental way? Will having a healthy body help in producing a healthy mind? Is having a healthy mind valuable enough to forgoe the temporary pleasure of this food that is not healthy? Will I really avoid unhealthy food the next time if I choose to induldge this one time?

Of course, that is a rather superficial example, but that is kind of the point. I find that most people either have massive trouble laying that initial foundation or they just settle into what society accepts as the normal foundation, commonly religion or material accumulation of wealth, sex, etc. Those people then judge their success by the collective metrics produced by society. The truly fascinating people are those which have developed their own values and metrics that are separate from society. Is there anything beyond that last statement that defines an eccentric?

If you build a solid foundation that is also robust, you probably wouldn't have too many problems making decisions in the future. Oh, and if you find a good one, be sure to let me know.

Mine, right now, is completely catered around the accumulation of knowledge, and I don't mean what some BS University tells me I should know, although at some point I do plan to return to a University. As for what lifestyle will maximize my abilities to accumulate as much knowledge as posible, well that is a work in progress. I am most certainly my own worst enemy in that regard.
 

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That was such a simple yet incredible way of putting it Blob. I've never taken that approach before, thank you.
 

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Some problems cannot be solved with analysis.

Some experiences are richer when felt instead of analyzed.

Dave
 

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Renk Fasze said:
I think INTP's a so naturally drawn to analyze their surroundings that they sometimes forget to just live. We unintentionally limit ourselves.

I think ISTPs are so naturally drawn to being in the moment that they sometimes do not analyse things that deeply. They unintentionally limit themselves.

ISTP is just an example of course. Mightn't even be accurate.
 

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Some problems cannot be solved with analysis.

Some experiences are richer when felt instead of analyzed.

Dave


Hmm, I will have to analyze these situations to determine which can be solved with analysis and which cannot. :storks:
 

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I think ISTPs are so naturally drawn to being in the moment that they sometimes do not analyse things that deeply. They unintentionally limit themselves.

ISTP is just an example of course. Mightn't even be accurate.
Ah, but ISTPs are still dominant Ti, so I'd say they are still pretty analytical. It's just that they prefer to analyze the physical, tangible world as opposed to the world of patterns and abstractions. I could actually see some ISTPs having trouble being in the moment, at least to the extent of ESxPs, who would typically find it much easier.
 

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In my experience analyzing is something everyone does within their limits. Some do it consciously, to most it's more like an instinct. It seems as if most people only analyze their surroundings when the circumstances differ from their view of reality/normality.

When analyzing something effectively one needs to detach themself from the current "reality" and attach into a whole new "reality". In other words leave behind all formed opinions and prejudice that would complicate the achievement of neccesarily neutral point of view.

Analyzing truly can be constructive and at the same time deconstructive in another way. These effects are more visible, the more larger scale you're analyzing on. For example, imagine if you would detach yourself from yourself in order to analyze "you" in a way an engineer analyzes the prototype of their construction. Or if you would detach from the world and view it as an architect would view their blueprints. If you would achieve this kind of state, you would most likely come to very constructive conclusions on how to improve prevailing conditions.

It would also have deconstructive effects, such as alienating from your personal feelings resulting in losses in social life. When "thinking big", we have the tendency to ignore smaller details. I remember reading from somewhere that Einstein attendet to a party forgetting to wear his pants.
 
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