Ribald
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It all makes sense to me now. I understand everything.
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I am alone. How I got this way has absolutely baffled me up until now. In short, it is because I have become too smart.
Recently I have made threads on different forums where I felt that I reached my life's peak of clarity (and it is only rising). This is the problem. What really struck me about a lot of these threads was people wanting to give me advice.
"What stupid advice!" I would say. I didn't even ask for it. Why were all these people trying to give me advice? And crappy advice at that--stuff any idiot would think of.
I realize now, it had nothing to do with the content of what was being said. It all had to do with attitudes and authority and such. In my excessive INTPness, I made the egregious mistake of thinking that people actually ever cared about anything other than socializing.
This hurts. I feel like my head is going to explode. I see this truth, but I cannot realign myself to it. People would call me stubborn. People would say it is my ego. I don't see it like that. All I ever wanted was to say what I meant. If something is true, how can I pretend it is not, just to make someone else feel important?
This understanding is almost a curse. It is to the point where I get thrown out of places instead of people who are blatant idiots that I come into conflict with. Other people prefer the idiot to me!
It is because people like feeling smart. They like being able to give advice. They liked being asked questions. The content of all of this is almost completely irrelevant. All people want is to feel good about themselves.
If you want someone to like you, just act dumb. It's that simple. They will gladly take on the role of advice-giver. The dumber you act, the more they will love it. Just make sure you seem interested in whatever advice they give, unconditionally. It doesn't even matter if you ever follow it, really. Just act like you're too dumb. The only thing they need is to hear themselves give advice. They never get tired of it. Never.
Such people will grow to depend on you without even realizing it. You make them feel smart. You make them feel important. They don't even see it when you've got them in the palm of your hand and they start doing everything you ever wanted them to do, thinking all the while that it is their idea, that they are your benevolent benefactor.
Ha. Fuck that is funny. So true. Nice one, Amine.
Damn right I just complimented myself. If no one else is gonna, I will. BECAUSE I DESERVE IT.
Let's see.... I guess that's the main gist of it. I could probably classify some of these ego-maniacal people for your future reference. Here goes.
1. The advice whore. This is most people. It doesn't matter if you asked a question or not (but if you did, great). If what you say even remotely hints that something bothers you, this person will jump in with some sort of tip or advice. Their advice is complete common sense at best. You might say "I want to make friends" and they will be like "try to dress nice and have good hygiene, compliment people, and ask them questions about themselves." WELL DUH. It is hilarious that people actually think they are wise for giving this kind of bullshit advice. It sickens me, though, how wise some of them think they are for being so well-versed and eloquent in conventional wisdom. It really perpetuates the status quo. The majority of the time, however, the advice given is fragmented, incoherent nonsense that only the advice-giver himself understands because they are only speaking from their own limited experience, like they are giving themselves advice about something that relates to them and not you. The effect, though, is the same. If you want control, just pretend you think it is good advice and ask them more about it. Sometimes, advice can actually be good, and that tends to require specialized knowledge. I had a back injury and someone recommended a specific yoga stretch. This was good advice. I have less of a problem with this kind of advice.
2. The confused guy. Look, we all want to be important, no matter how little we know. Some people know very little. That doesn't stop them from rearing their ugly heads in scientific and philosophical discussions. Despite the fact that they have not bothered to educate themselves whatsoever in the prior knowledge of these fields, they come in with their own trite-ass opinions that generalize everything to a ridiculous degree. They frequently show up as those people who deny absolutes. "No one can ever know anything" they echo. No, moron, just because you are ignorant and confused as hell doesn't mean everyone else is. They also like to claim everyone's opinion is equal and they get a big ego about how egalitarian they are, but it is really just because they can't differentiate between nonsense and truth. They'll be like, "I have respect for both sides of the political spectrum," or "everything is just an opinion", or "I think there is truth to every religion" or "we need to respect everyone's beliefs." The problem is that they have no concept of just how stupid some beliefs are, how worthy of derision. These people hate confidence, unconditionally. That's because they are so devoid of it themselves. In arguments, it is what they will specifically address--it's not that you are wrong and here's why, it's that "you believe in absolutes".
3. The mystic. Related to the confused guy in their absolute refusal to lift a finger and learn some field, mysticism is a super-awesome shortcut to convincing yourself you know important things about the universe. Physics is boring and incomplete. Why study the actual details when you can instead make a bunch of grand statements about existence without ever having done a thing? Why study psychology when you can just posit some transcendent state that comes (apparently) from positing some transcendent state? The mystic loves to dress up the most stupifyingly empty statements in ethereal terms, as if this gives them any weight. To some people, it evidently does. That's because they are completely unconcerned with reality. All they care about is perception. The sexier something sounds, the better, and god damn any "information" that gets in the way. These people make an active effort to banish information completely. They write thousand-word posts that communicate virtually nothing but grandiosity. Reason and rationality absolutely ruin their little party, and they specifically make themselves immune to such things. Rationality is of a lower level, they say. Nonetheless, they are incredibly happy to throw in their two cents whenever they can, asked for or not.
4. The loser. Initially, this person may try to actually meet you at the level of content, but once you prove them wrong, instead of shutting up, they begin to criticize your character. The really stealthy ones will wait to do it in other threads. You'll post something totally innocuous and suddenly all these people come out of the woodwork with negativity (usually manifested in short, offhand posts that contain a toxic one-liner) because they saw you win some argument in another thread and they want to take you down a peg and make sure everyone is on equal ground. They want to influence everyone else's perception and make sure no one thinks you are clever. That's what their main strength is, because we all have an inherent desire to guard our reputation, so we question their criticism and defend ourselves, but this person will continue with their bitterness no matter what and drag you down until you actually look worse than they do. This is because you wind up correctly identifying them as an asshole, while they slip by under the guise of honestly-unconvinced-person. Make no mistake, though, they are highly disingenuous. They don't intend on listening. Don't make the mistake of engaging the loser.
5. The hair-splitter. This annoying chap reads a post and, should he notice that it is highly coherent or insightful, takes it upon himself to miss the point and attack tangential details. Maybe the details were a little off, but the overall message is still clear. This doesn't matter to the hair splitter. He doesn't like to know that someone smart is out there who isn't him. To refrain from replying in this sort of situation doesn't even occur to him. His automatic response is to make sure he is the center of attention and no one takes the smart-guy spotlight away from him.
6. The cool. Don't ever look like you care about anything--the cool guy finds that distasteful. The more malicious cousin of the confused guy, the cool guy takes pleasure in being unattached from discussions and cherry picking remarks from posts by people who are actually engaged. They love trying to make snarky one liners that aren't funny, but seem like they could be if you were cool enough to really get it. Someone might write a fairly long, involved post in which they honestly try to present some thesis, and the cool guy, who tends to always be one of the first to reply, submits some offhand post that has nothing to do with the topic but apparently makes some joke about it. No one really knows how to react to the cool guy. You feel like you've been insulted, but neither your point, nor even your character, were addressed at all. It is indeed the cool guy's intention to belittle, and perhaps in this way he is related to the loser, but stealthier, more deniable, and more generalized. While the loser has a specific problem with one person he feels inferior to, the cool guy doesn't really care who he is insulting as long as they aren't one of the more reputable members of the crowd. He is less about taking someone down than boosting himself up.
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Ok I am getting tired of this. I guess I have done enough. The point is that these people are all incredibly, outrageously, spectacularly easy to manipulate because they share 1 simple commonality--they want to be recognized and made to feel important whether it is warranted or not and regardless of the topic of discussion. If you so happen to lack the pride and stubbornness required to submit to and flatter them, you'll have them eating from the palm of your hand in no time.
*
I am alone. How I got this way has absolutely baffled me up until now. In short, it is because I have become too smart.
Recently I have made threads on different forums where I felt that I reached my life's peak of clarity (and it is only rising). This is the problem. What really struck me about a lot of these threads was people wanting to give me advice.
"What stupid advice!" I would say. I didn't even ask for it. Why were all these people trying to give me advice? And crappy advice at that--stuff any idiot would think of.
I realize now, it had nothing to do with the content of what was being said. It all had to do with attitudes and authority and such. In my excessive INTPness, I made the egregious mistake of thinking that people actually ever cared about anything other than socializing.
This hurts. I feel like my head is going to explode. I see this truth, but I cannot realign myself to it. People would call me stubborn. People would say it is my ego. I don't see it like that. All I ever wanted was to say what I meant. If something is true, how can I pretend it is not, just to make someone else feel important?
This understanding is almost a curse. It is to the point where I get thrown out of places instead of people who are blatant idiots that I come into conflict with. Other people prefer the idiot to me!
It is because people like feeling smart. They like being able to give advice. They liked being asked questions. The content of all of this is almost completely irrelevant. All people want is to feel good about themselves.
If you want someone to like you, just act dumb. It's that simple. They will gladly take on the role of advice-giver. The dumber you act, the more they will love it. Just make sure you seem interested in whatever advice they give, unconditionally. It doesn't even matter if you ever follow it, really. Just act like you're too dumb. The only thing they need is to hear themselves give advice. They never get tired of it. Never.
Such people will grow to depend on you without even realizing it. You make them feel smart. You make them feel important. They don't even see it when you've got them in the palm of your hand and they start doing everything you ever wanted them to do, thinking all the while that it is their idea, that they are your benevolent benefactor.
Ha. Fuck that is funny. So true. Nice one, Amine.
Damn right I just complimented myself. If no one else is gonna, I will. BECAUSE I DESERVE IT.
Let's see.... I guess that's the main gist of it. I could probably classify some of these ego-maniacal people for your future reference. Here goes.
1. The advice whore. This is most people. It doesn't matter if you asked a question or not (but if you did, great). If what you say even remotely hints that something bothers you, this person will jump in with some sort of tip or advice. Their advice is complete common sense at best. You might say "I want to make friends" and they will be like "try to dress nice and have good hygiene, compliment people, and ask them questions about themselves." WELL DUH. It is hilarious that people actually think they are wise for giving this kind of bullshit advice. It sickens me, though, how wise some of them think they are for being so well-versed and eloquent in conventional wisdom. It really perpetuates the status quo. The majority of the time, however, the advice given is fragmented, incoherent nonsense that only the advice-giver himself understands because they are only speaking from their own limited experience, like they are giving themselves advice about something that relates to them and not you. The effect, though, is the same. If you want control, just pretend you think it is good advice and ask them more about it. Sometimes, advice can actually be good, and that tends to require specialized knowledge. I had a back injury and someone recommended a specific yoga stretch. This was good advice. I have less of a problem with this kind of advice.
2. The confused guy. Look, we all want to be important, no matter how little we know. Some people know very little. That doesn't stop them from rearing their ugly heads in scientific and philosophical discussions. Despite the fact that they have not bothered to educate themselves whatsoever in the prior knowledge of these fields, they come in with their own trite-ass opinions that generalize everything to a ridiculous degree. They frequently show up as those people who deny absolutes. "No one can ever know anything" they echo. No, moron, just because you are ignorant and confused as hell doesn't mean everyone else is. They also like to claim everyone's opinion is equal and they get a big ego about how egalitarian they are, but it is really just because they can't differentiate between nonsense and truth. They'll be like, "I have respect for both sides of the political spectrum," or "everything is just an opinion", or "I think there is truth to every religion" or "we need to respect everyone's beliefs." The problem is that they have no concept of just how stupid some beliefs are, how worthy of derision. These people hate confidence, unconditionally. That's because they are so devoid of it themselves. In arguments, it is what they will specifically address--it's not that you are wrong and here's why, it's that "you believe in absolutes".
3. The mystic. Related to the confused guy in their absolute refusal to lift a finger and learn some field, mysticism is a super-awesome shortcut to convincing yourself you know important things about the universe. Physics is boring and incomplete. Why study the actual details when you can instead make a bunch of grand statements about existence without ever having done a thing? Why study psychology when you can just posit some transcendent state that comes (apparently) from positing some transcendent state? The mystic loves to dress up the most stupifyingly empty statements in ethereal terms, as if this gives them any weight. To some people, it evidently does. That's because they are completely unconcerned with reality. All they care about is perception. The sexier something sounds, the better, and god damn any "information" that gets in the way. These people make an active effort to banish information completely. They write thousand-word posts that communicate virtually nothing but grandiosity. Reason and rationality absolutely ruin their little party, and they specifically make themselves immune to such things. Rationality is of a lower level, they say. Nonetheless, they are incredibly happy to throw in their two cents whenever they can, asked for or not.
4. The loser. Initially, this person may try to actually meet you at the level of content, but once you prove them wrong, instead of shutting up, they begin to criticize your character. The really stealthy ones will wait to do it in other threads. You'll post something totally innocuous and suddenly all these people come out of the woodwork with negativity (usually manifested in short, offhand posts that contain a toxic one-liner) because they saw you win some argument in another thread and they want to take you down a peg and make sure everyone is on equal ground. They want to influence everyone else's perception and make sure no one thinks you are clever. That's what their main strength is, because we all have an inherent desire to guard our reputation, so we question their criticism and defend ourselves, but this person will continue with their bitterness no matter what and drag you down until you actually look worse than they do. This is because you wind up correctly identifying them as an asshole, while they slip by under the guise of honestly-unconvinced-person. Make no mistake, though, they are highly disingenuous. They don't intend on listening. Don't make the mistake of engaging the loser.
5. The hair-splitter. This annoying chap reads a post and, should he notice that it is highly coherent or insightful, takes it upon himself to miss the point and attack tangential details. Maybe the details were a little off, but the overall message is still clear. This doesn't matter to the hair splitter. He doesn't like to know that someone smart is out there who isn't him. To refrain from replying in this sort of situation doesn't even occur to him. His automatic response is to make sure he is the center of attention and no one takes the smart-guy spotlight away from him.
6. The cool. Don't ever look like you care about anything--the cool guy finds that distasteful. The more malicious cousin of the confused guy, the cool guy takes pleasure in being unattached from discussions and cherry picking remarks from posts by people who are actually engaged. They love trying to make snarky one liners that aren't funny, but seem like they could be if you were cool enough to really get it. Someone might write a fairly long, involved post in which they honestly try to present some thesis, and the cool guy, who tends to always be one of the first to reply, submits some offhand post that has nothing to do with the topic but apparently makes some joke about it. No one really knows how to react to the cool guy. You feel like you've been insulted, but neither your point, nor even your character, were addressed at all. It is indeed the cool guy's intention to belittle, and perhaps in this way he is related to the loser, but stealthier, more deniable, and more generalized. While the loser has a specific problem with one person he feels inferior to, the cool guy doesn't really care who he is insulting as long as they aren't one of the more reputable members of the crowd. He is less about taking someone down than boosting himself up.
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Ok I am getting tired of this. I guess I have done enough. The point is that these people are all incredibly, outrageously, spectacularly easy to manipulate because they share 1 simple commonality--they want to be recognized and made to feel important whether it is warranted or not and regardless of the topic of discussion. If you so happen to lack the pride and stubbornness required to submit to and flatter them, you'll have them eating from the palm of your hand in no time.
