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5 Reasons you should be scared of Apple

Decaf

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Now, I'm as much of critic of cracked.com's standards on thorough research as anyone, but this one came out pretty straightforward, if you ignore the gross exaggerations for humor's sake.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple.html

Think we're exaggerating? Say you want to buy an iPhone. If your town isn't on one of the postcards Luke Wilson reads in the AT&T wireless commercials, you're going to have to "jailbreak" your new gadget. Don't worry; you won't need any digging spoons or defensive sodomy. Jailbreaking is just a term for modifying your iPhone in order to make it do what every other gadget on the market does: Whatever you tell it to. For instance, without jailbreaking you can't install unapproved third party applications, customize your user interface, or unlock your phone for use with another carrier.

Again, manufacturers of other cell phones and gadgets generally don't care what customers do once they've paid for their products with good, honest credit card debt. But Apple goes beyond complaining. They will actively break your shit for disobeying their arbitrary rules.

Yes, Apple has sent out updates specifically designed to disable phones that have been modified to work with carriers other than AT&T, or to run Microsoft Office. Seriously now, we'd be inventing new, fluorescent shades of berserk if, say, a PC manufacturer broke your computer for installing Linux.

So how come Apple gets away with it?
 

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you can actually get your iPhones unlocked legally now, I know o2 in the UK are doing it and im sure everyone else is. Basically you have to ring up and tell them you are selling it to someone abroad. It takes about 2 weeks to unlock. :)

www.no-data.co.uk

edit* also apple dont technically 'break' it it just gets locked back up to AT&T or whoever, and you may need to get that done at the apple shop.. jail-breaking your iPhone voids its warranty and AT&T etc have paid a lot of money to be exclusive providers of the iPhone, so i guess they want their investment protecting. jail-breaking you also lose a lot of features, like visual voicemail and any current OS update.
 

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meh, apple products can be annoying as hell sometimes, but they have their perks.
the whole secrecy thing though, unless it was exaggerated, is completely insane.
 

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you can actually get your iPhones unlocked legally now

That's the point though. It was always legal to do whatever the hell you wanted to a piece of electronics you bought. Apple just doesn't like it, so they intentionally broke any piece of electronics that wasn't treated the way they want it to be. News that they're allowing it now is like hearing its no longer illegal to cover up the Abercrombie logo on your shirt, thanks to the generosity of the A&F corporation.

Edit: To be clear, I'm not an Apple hater, but I am definitely growing tired of their business practices. They would need to reform before I used any of their products.
 

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Ill say nobody is forcing anyone to buy an iPhone or any other Apple Product and the Apple vs Its Developers one is crazy, its the best platform for 3rd party developers ever.

Privacy wise we live in 1984 and have been for a long time.... i thought you would have figured this out already. Everyone is data mining. Google are a way bigger problem if they ever start being irresponsible with your data. :beatyou:
 

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Microsoft just want everyone to use their OS, Apple want everyone to use any product they decide to sell and nothing else
 

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Privacy wise we live in 1984 and have been for a long time.... i thought you would have figured this out already. Everyone is data mining. Google are a way bigger problem if they ever start being irresponsible with your data. :beatyou:

I agree, they absolutely would be, and so they should be watched. But thus far they haven't betrayed my trust. My indignation is reserved for those who are doing things that annoy me, not for those that COULD do things that would annoy me even more.

It all comes down to acceptable business practices. Are they or are they not? The Microsoft vs. Apple debate is a distraction and irrelevant.
 

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That's the point though. It was always legal to do whatever the hell you wanted to a piece of electronics you bought. Apple just doesn't like it, so they intentionally broke any piece of electronics that wasn't treated the way they want it to be. News that they're allowing it now is like hearing its no longer illegal to cover up the Abercrombie logo on your shirt, thanks to the generosity of the A&F corporation.

Edit: To be clear, I'm not an Apple hater, but I am definitely growing tired of their business practices. They need to reform before I use any of their products.

Technically thats not true. Most tampering with any electronics will void the warranty.... and as Ive just said... now you can get your phone unlocked legally. Its just got to a stage now where its possible to effect your product directly over the internet. Youll also see that the TCs cover them completely... bit lame i know, but realistically if they are getting paid that much to have a network claim exclusive rights on certain products then i cant blame them if they choose to do everything in their power to uphold the agreement.

XP SP3 destroyed my £700 laptop and Windows responded by offering me a free copy of windows vista... theyre all the same, its not just apple. but generally id say apple make the best products.... well they do at this point in time... the apps make the device... and with wireless the network is becoming less and less important.
 

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I agree, they absolutely would be, and so they should be watched. But thus far they haven't betrayed my trust. My indignation is reserved for those who are doing things that annoy me, not for those that COULD do things that would annoy me even more.

It all comes down to acceptable business practices. Are they or are they not? The Microsoft vs. Apple debate is a distraction and irrelevant.

The problem is we all want their products... Its not really fair that our government makes us pay more and more tax on petrol (which is in todays world essential) but they do because they know it can take the tax hike.

Popular products always have these insane added extras. Its how they make their money.... and the worst worst one is facebook. they are being irresponsible with your data and are quite clear about it in their terms and conditions... thats a real concern.

YouTube- The Truth about Facebook!
 

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I hate Itunes, The UI bugs me and I had quite a bit of trouble getting all of it off of my computer. I hate Quicktime as well.
I don't like Apples add campaign either. Direct attack adds are not cool.

For these and other reasons I don't plan on buying any apple products.

Interesting article though, nothing very surprising, but enlightening.
 

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I've been critical of Apple's products, especially the way they're overpriced and often don't come with features that are standard on competitors' devices. And yet, I can't say they're bad products. A couple of years ago, I received an 80GB iPod for my birthday and, say what you want about Apple, it's probably been the best device, in terms of both functionality and reliability, that I've ever used. The only problem is that now, after 2 years of using it alot, the battery is starting to die pretty fast. Otherwise, I've literally had zero problems with it. (edit: not to mention I've used other mp3 players that screwed up alot)

And of course, yeah iTunes kinda sucks. It has some cool features but nothing you won't get with Winamp, and its interface is ugly and not customizable. I don't know why they refuse to change that. They probably just don't need to.

As for the idea that once you buy a device you should be able to do what you want... Weeeell, that's something we're used to thinking, but I'm not sure Apple is the only one that restricts things. I mean, I know people who have cell phones (other than the iPhone) that are perfectly capable of having mp3's uploaded to them but won't allow you to utilize that ability without paying an extra $10+ per month. It's the same deal with not being able to dump your cell phone pics to your computer for free, even though you own the device with them on it. They're all greedy, not just Apple.
 

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according to the latest 'leak' 1 in 76 Brits are monitored by the UK government.

Apple are doing what Apple do best. Treat the public like retards and we respond back like retards. I'm not an Apple lover, nor an Apple hater. They know what their doing and we're falling for it. ^^
 

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Connectivity, updates, add-ons & extras... urgh, makes me sick.

It's very simple, if you don't need it, don't get it.

My phone is this simple little metal thing that does only what a phone needs to do, and I'm very happy with it, because it suits my needs exactly and that's what really matters.
Like a katana, no fancy crap, just the necessities, thus perfection.

The same with Windows, sure I would prefer Linux but until I need that much control I just can't justify the time and effort required to switch over; one creates/obtains tools for a purpose, one does not create a purpose for one's tools.
 

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Popular products always have these insane added extras. Its how they make their money.... and the worst worst one is facebook. they are being irresponsible with your data and are quite clear about it in their terms and conditions... thats a real concern.

Eh, while I strongly agree with the privacy sentiments expressed in that video (deleted it from quote to save space), and that such stuff poses a real danger to the world, I have to disagree with their linking Peter Thiel (facebook/paypal investor and conservative) to these dangers. I attended one of his speeches (no I'm not a conservative, nor a liberal to be honest), and he definitely didn't come off as someone to be pro-information control. Quite the opposite, infact, the guy greatly supports individual freedom and liberties, and he's more an economic conservative (wants de-regulation of the economy), which is quite the opposite of the kind of fascism the video is warning about.

Here's a link to the video of him speaking, if you're skeptical:

http://vimeo.com/7577391

As for the actual topic of this thread, open source is the way to go, IMO. Why leave powerful technologies in the hands of corporate interests? Oh and FYI, Mark Zuckerburg (facebook creator) got caught hacking into rivals e-mail accounts recently, too, and I believe used info that was stored on facebook to help do it, IIRC.
 

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So how come Apple gets away with it?

This has been a big issue for me with Apple for a long time. You can't mod anything! You have to pay ridiculous prices for their stuff. If I'm going to pay that much I want to be able to change it at will. Yes, Microsoft isn't much better but if they were to pull the crap Apple does they'd find themselves in a lawsuit in seconds. Plus, I really hate the whole I Life crap. I'm not buying your candy colored crap Apple! I'm not six and I don't need to you spoon feeding me my technology.

/rant
 

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I thought this was a partially hidden topic, but it turned out boring.

Are there seriously no discordians here ?

5 reasons to be scared of the Apple.


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