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own8ge

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  • People will invariably switch context all of the time in order to achieve better perfection (Zai) or incorporate new ideas (Nez), or refresh engaged dynamics (Xyy/Zyy), etc. In fact, that is the only way for language and communication to function properly. For example, you state that I should "Interpret that what is being said by the context it was supposed to be in by the writer". I cannot interpret that what is being said by the context it was supposed to be in by the writer because when I interpret that what is being said by the context it was supposed to be in by the writer, the context embedded within the context it was supposed to be in by the writer must change in order to incorporate new words, phrases, ideas, etc into the conversation. Now, you could argue that I don't meet back with the other person enough, and that it would help my game and overall impression and efficiency greatly. But alterations are a necessity, as you can see.
    That would be rather silly. Making conclusions without any known or highly suspected causality will get you in trouble. This is why I derive causalities from the evidence available. That, in itself, isn't ignorance; because if I'm wrong, I will be corrected either way. Saying, "well, I'm not sure if you meant this but.." is just a way of being polite, especially if the only way the sentence would make grammatical sense is if your interpretation of what the person meant is correct. Ignorance would be a way of taking discourse from information in general. The implication of sending a message as a response to a received message has the implication that your message assumes that you understand the other person's message. I can't know for sure if you aren't trying to talk about hot dogs right now, but it certainly wouldn't make me ignorant if I didn't ask you.
    Oh, no. I wasn't referring to that, I was referring to why you were banned. Although, I'll humor the discussion.
    "Hey hey, I will read it later. I g2g now, I hope your not making a fool of yourself XD"

    Ofc not :p

    If you want to talk about the previous conversation some more you can. I generally enjoy casual conversation. But if it isn't worth it, then we could simply stop, if you want.

    About PL. Your headspace seems shady, especially after getting banned from PL. But if you're cool we can be friends, talk about configuration,etc.
    Misunderstanding is always possible. Excluding the possibility in my language could be done, but I don't think that it would yield to better communication.


    "But I retreat/also_admit_that, my perspective may also have been based on some misunderstood concrete perception. It is INFJs greatest loophole. That what made me able to judge you for an INFJ within a matter of seconds."

    I reckon all mojos can do this. Although, you are right in that Nai alpha can often prefer to make the most out of the information available though, which tends to leave openings for misperception.

    "But yo Ben. I wish we could continue forward as 'friends'. Since my ban from Pod'Lair I know quite a lot about typology. I've build up a worldview that covers a lot, transcending PL themselves in some aspects. (In my judgment)."

    Yeah, I definitely agree. We can be friends. Although, i can't say that typology can be doing much to help your understanding of how this works.
    Woops, Posted all of that before I noticed your most recent post.


    "What is going on is that you don't consider the judgments you made in the perspective that you pursued to be false."

    I don't consider it to be a perspective, so i don't consider it to be false.If it was really a misinterpretation of what was stated, then It shouldn't be too hard to figure out later on.

    "Which they probably weren't. But yeah, the perspective you had itself, may be based on the wrong concrete perception, making it irrelevant in the concrete external context."
    "Don't Pod'lair 'diagnose' a lot more INFJs"

    INFJs are a Jungian Derivative. We don't diagnose Jungian derivatives such as INFJ.

    "than other Jungian derivatives"

    Jungian derivatives are jungian derivatives.


    "You're both wrong. We don't "diagnose" Jungian derivatives."

    Now, here, I did assume that you agreed with him, particularly because you said that we diagnosed you as INFJ earlier in the thread, and INFJ is a Jungian derivative. Now, it is very ambiguous what either of you meant when you said "INFJ". But whatever the case may be, it is still a Jungian derivative.

    Just hoping to clear things up. Let me know if the tone seems unwarranted, I'm trying to keep this as fair as possible, as I now recognize that it wasn't unreasonable for you to not see my position - simply that I did not like the way you initially responded to the first post I made in the thread.
    Approximate replication of previous scenario:

    Pod'lair clearly is (Insert definition of variable here) of Jung, therefore you can't say that either of us are wrong.

    Variable =/= Derivative

    "I never said either of those things"

    "You used one of them indirectly to support your argument"
    By the by, it isn't really necessary that you directly state my representation of your position. That may sound silly, but you have to remember that languages and sentences carry multiple dimensions.

    For example, if I were to tell you "My dog ate a chicken".

    You may respond, "You don't have a dog"

    "Did I say that 'I have a dog'?"

    "No, but you definitely implied it with the words 'my dog'."

    "Of course 'My dog ate a chicken' =/= I have a dog', "


    President Obama: "You think I'm the president of the united states "President Obama gave a speech about initiating American Tax reforms" =/= "Barrack Obama is president of the united states"
    Yeah, I did put a bit too much into yesterday's discussion, as it wasn't even over something worth discussing. I don't consider myself to have been wrong, but I may think otherwise if you were to go go through an explicit understanding of what he meant... or what you had agreed with of him. It's Ben, Btw.
    Hadoblado
    You seem to think a lot of people INFJs. Do you have a hypothesis for why so many people who think themselves INTPs are actually INFJs, or do you just freform your thoughts with no overarching schema in mind?
    Irishpenguin
    Well oh goddamnit, that's seriously the fastest anyone has gotten back to be on this site. I closed out of the damn tab so I wouldn't keep checking it every 10 minutes, jeeze cut a guy a break will ya? (off of that Kit-Kat of course)
    C.Hecker88
    Own8ge, you recently posted some of your art in a thread. I would just like to tell you that you are a very talented artist and I really appreciate your work. The one that you posted on DeviantArt (Harmony Above, you called it) is now my desktop background. Thank you, these are really nice.
    Chad
    I am not accusing you of any such thing. Your opinion is welcome and you silence is welcome too.
    louiesgonnadie
    But I like INFJs! You fellows have a lot of potential, it seems. I reckon it would be hard to figure out if you're an Ni-dom, though. I can't understand Ni for the life of me.
    You are very unpredictable, but not often wrong. I suspect your keyboard must be made of very resilient material.
    louiesgonnadie
    Your INFP estimate seems plausible, however I am not entirely sure. And yes, you have acquired a new friend. :)
    Flux
    Thank you, i'll be sure to post an introit when I can figure out what I want to say, i'll be lurking around for a while before hand.
    You know, man, I think you are too. I find even if personality tests aren't exactly accurate or completely true, you can certainly find like minded individuals this way!
    uhh that's just fine actually because I was thinking of backing off the forum again for a bit. I'll check in after I have my head back together.
    Thanks for saying so.

    Perhaps you can lend some insight on my "type-me" thread in exchange? Not that I am disagreeing with Architect or Auburn I just know that you're really into typology and so I was hoping to score your opinion ...
    I appreciate the tip! That's one thing I actually love about INTP's - it's the ability to take things out of context which makes them so funny and creative. It can also lead to misunderstandings, though. I think I'm prepared to face it. I often find that when writing for a long time, my train of thought has the tendency to get blurry and has the potential to be confusing to readers, and I often have to go back to make sure my writing makes sense. My best friend in high school was an INTJ, and he had the easiest time acing English essays (which annoyed me to no end) because he could easily put ideas together in written form to conjure up a bigger picture. As for me, it was more of a learned skill, drilled into my brain by years of English classes. Thanks again for the tip!
    Auburn
    I'd prefer not to be a part of all this, or the recent picture thread. Please don't spam my inbox or profile..?

    On the note of 'ENFP', have you watched the TiNe video from the same series? The male in there is me. She also comes up on there. We do the same things with our eyes, and we both look downward via Ti...
    Chad
    Sorry I haven't been home the last few hours I will go check it out now.
    Kirsanov
    Yes, I believe it is mirrored. Forgive me, I know nothing about photography since I abhor it. There are certain areas such as vehicles, photography, most sports (except the Olympics), etc. that I will not touch with a ten foot pole. A kid in high school once criticized my lack of knowledge about cars, I told him, "who cares? I don't find it interesting. Good for you for knowing so much about them; do you want a cookie?"
    TriflinThomas
    I don't hate you, you bug sometimes. You always have to tack on something snitty to a perfectly good comment, and that's what bugs me. You don't have to be an ass to get your point across.
    Kirsanov
    I have posted a video that is within your time constraints. If you wish, I can post another with answers to any questions you may have.
    Da Blob
    Well, I will view that as a compliment, as One seems not to care if the Zombies see one as a jerk...
    MissQuote
    Nice to meet you Duncan.

    I am well enough, as far as my purposes for being logged on and posting today go.
    louiesgonnadie
    Do you watch Louie?

    In the opening sequence, "Brother Louie" is playing. Louis C.K. changes the lyrics from "louie louie you're gonna cry" to "die".

    It's awesome-O.
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