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"Why do you always use big words?"

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There is really no difference between neologisms and the words asserted by linguistic authoritarians except for the fact that inventors of neologisms usually uproot the language they claim to use while traditionalists show more fidelity to the roots of their own language. When you uproot something, it loses connection to what came before and gradually we lose all ability to know how we got here at all. Neologisms are mostly used by people who don't care about what anything means.
New words?

Words are symbols for things. If the "thing" is new and it takes a lot of words to describe it, why not coin a new word? Or if the word is old but is being used a lot in a new context, why not do the same? The former is shorter; the latter informs of the context.

Authoritarians I assume keep this from going too far as such goings on may only be for the locals. Spread a good thing but keep the viruses down.
 

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There is really no difference between neologisms and the words asserted by linguistic authoritarians except for the fact that inventors of neologisms usually uproot the language they claim to use while traditionalists show more fidelity to the roots of their own language. When you uproot something, it loses connection to what came before and gradually we lose all ability to know how we got here at all. Neologisms are mostly used by people who don't care about what anything means.

So how come we can understand each other?
 

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There is really no difference between neologisms and the words asserted by linguistic authoritarians except for the fact that inventors of neologisms usually uproot the language they claim to use while traditionalists show more fidelity to the roots of their own language. When you uproot something, it loses connection to what came before and gradually we lose all ability to know how we got here at all. Neologisms are mostly used by people who don't care about what anything means.

What do you mean?
 

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So how come we can understand each other?

Ultimately our categories are never precisely the same. We cannot really understand each other perfectly and never will. This is the reason why we must always be expanding our own categories and try to understand the experiences people have had in developing their own categories. But we will always miss something. If you notice peoples daily interaction, you will apprehend the basis of my claims that people don't really understand each other. I am still wrestling with my own incredulity with the nonsense that forms human exchanges.
 

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fuck fucking fucking fuck fuck fucking

I ruminate that your derision of Brobdingnagian nomenclature is consequent of your lamentable character and comprehension. Odious vermin.
 

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But mostly we do. Howe is this possible without evolution of language?

Probably because for the most part, we use exoteric English; however, if we all started to use our colloquial dialects of English (esoteric), most people would be confused.

Even with exoteric language, the meaning can still be warped on a forum because any emotional weight that strengthens the context relies purely on the receiver's assumptions (that includes using emoticons).

Indisposable whilst not an official* word, actually has meaning: not disposable. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious on the other hand, is an officially accepted word that has no real meaning.

TA said that if loads of people use a word incorrectly, the meaning of that word never changes. What about the word egregious? It's used these days to mean "outstandingly bad", but it used to mean something was "remarkably good". I doubt anyone today would take egregious to mean something positive.

*TA mocks me for this when he is in fact doing the same thing, only using synonyms to justify his point.
 

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Title: "Why do you always use big words?"

Ah dinna allays yuz no beg woids. Hoo sez dis? Fartinuble iz az beeg as ah gits.
 

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Title: "Why do you always use big words?"

Ah dinna allays yuz no beg woids. Hoo sez dis? Fartinuble iz az beeg as ah gits.

It must be pi day.
There is even a picture of BAP on that page.

Prince-of-pi.jpg
 

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BigApplePi

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I don't have a shirt like that.
Every day is pee day.
 

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Probably because for the most part, we use exoteric English; however, if we all started to use our colloquial dialects of English (esoteric), most people would be confused.

Even with exoteric language, the meaning can still be warped on a forum because any emotional weight that strengthens the context relies purely on the receiver's assumptions (that includes using emoticons).

Indisposable whilst not an official* word, actually has meaning: not disposable. Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious on the other hand, is an officially accepted word that has no real meaning.

TA said that if loads of people use a word incorrectly, the meaning of that word never changes. What about the word egregious? It's used these days to mean "outstandingly bad", but it used to mean something was "remarkably good". I doubt anyone today would take egregious to mean something positive.

*TA mocks me for this when he is in fact doing the same thing, only using synonyms to justify his point.

But a neologism isn't the same thing as the example you used with 'egregious'. An example used wrongly. When I do a simple search using my translator gadget in my browser it will state there that the word describes a state of emphasis if you will.

I think it is necessary for language to evolve, to be uprooted as you said. It must evolve to be able to convey new meaning and ideas, stagnant language limits progression.

Therefore, new words must sometimes be invented and accepted and then used commonly. You see, the world is made of language.

Language is the means by which we convey thoughts, and they are a function of consciousness. It is our consciousness that perceives reality and so what we do is we perceive information. This information reaches us through our senses and it contains, or rather is made of continuously changing states of reality. Every object we see changes all the time. That is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle at work, it is impossible to measure a state of being because when you do, your act of measurement changes that state.

So any object discerned is a flow of information because to behold it is to take in its continually changing state. So objects flow on a carrier wave of light into our eyes, or reach us using other carriers to enter other senses.

So language can never be stagnant because to convey anything about an object means to give an observation of a changing state, compare a film, taking one frame of it and then describing it. A word or definition describes one frame of an object that flows in space and time.

After all, the object was there a second ago, it is there now and it probably will be there one second from now.

So language has a temporal aspect because any state is temporary when defined in language. So that is why you can say that reality is made up of language. It is a description of reality that we take to be all-defining, but it is only a frame of a film and valid in the extreme moment.

If the state of an object changes, we perceive other information from it and so our language must be able to reflect these state changes. Otherwise reality would be forever transfixed, the wave function collapsed.
 

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But a neologism isn't the same thing as the example you used with 'egregious'. An example used wrongly. When I do a simple search using my translator gadget in my browser it will state there that the word describes a state of emphasis if you will.

I think it is necessary for language to evolve, to be uprooted as you said. It must evolve to be able to convey new meaning and ideas, stagnant language limits progression.

Therefore, new words must sometimes be invented and accepted and then used commonly. You see, the world is made of language.

Ah, my egregious example wasn't referring to neologism. I was using it merely as an example of how word definitions can change over time because TA was talking about static, concrete and tangible definitions.
 

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Ultimately our categories are never precisely the same.
Who is to say we wouldn't understand ourselves from day to day as we are constantly in change?
 
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