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The INTJ - Pros and Cons

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Please write an equal number of pros and cons for the INTJ. Also please refrain from doing so by writing short meaningless statements such as:

Pros: high IQ, achiever
Cons: social retard, evil

Try n keep it substantial!
 

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Pros: Has a vision, develops it and hopes to put it out there in significant detail giving strong backup reasons. These reasons encourage action where none was taken.

Pro: Once action is taken, can be promoted because of strong backup.

Cons: Fails to examine alternatives. Sticks to vision. Argues against alternatives, not by examining them but by emphasizing the vision.

Con: If talking the dialectic: thesis, anti-thesis, the last step, synthesis is discouraged.
 

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Cherry. Your pros and cons idea is a good one. I'd like to see a rendition for ALL the types - concisely for comparison. It's is my belief that all 16 types serve a function for society to work optimally and all should be used lest one gain too much power.

I'm sure this has been done already ... maybe on this very Forum!
 

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Pros

Cooperative, independent, complex, sense of self, sense of community, feeling, sharing, aforethought, hindsight, intuition, communicative, abstract

Cons

Sly, selfish, resistant to change (adding energy), narcissistic, uncaring, psychopathic, lazy, malicious, single-minded, hubris, moody
 
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My pro and con in a single sentence fragment:

Unparalleled tunnel vision.
 

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Pros: meticulous and perfectionistic in whatever they do, responsible for the most part, have strong articulated viewpoints that they can back up, use witty often times sarcastic humor that cracks me up, won't allow themselves to get taken advantage of, can stick with a hobby/project until they are good at it, serious and focused, are focused on quality, self-contained and low maintenance, gentile and caring for those that they consider deserving.

Cons: secretive, stubborn sometimes to their detriment, super sensitive and defensive if you hit a nerve, caustic and dismissive of some people they don't care for or demeaning, self-indulgent and self-pitying, can't leave well enough alone in their projects (too perfectionistic), takes too little consideration for the feeling of others, can't allow others to help them when it's clear they need it-prideful at times.
 

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Why? Are you compiling opinions for some research or something? Regardless,

cons: I've always liked how they think they know everything via coming to a certain conclusion or making a statement that seems directed toward you in which it is easily seen how they came to said conclusion, but in situations where there's a certain piece of information it seems unlikely for them to have access to which would lead to said erroneous conclusion.. There might not be any non weird ways to convey that info to them so one is left to wonder if they'll ever consider the possibility and if so how much of an effect it would have on their m.o.. Seems to be more of a special scenario.

I may have met one that was planning on killing his mom, and when probed deeper, it was because she supposedly wouldn't give him his video games. He had a crossbow and everything. When asked what games he couldn't get back, it was like, "Halo 3, Ace Combat 4, um.. That one game..." and there seemed to be about 7-10 total. After realizing how ridiculous the whole thing was it was then laughed off as, "Never mess with an angry gamer! Yeah!" then the whole mood shifted to that. Never met him again so not sure how long that lasted, and he could have not even intj in the first place of course. When he pulled up in the car with the crossbow it turned out he also stole a laptop out of his mom's car because the window was down. He said, "Who leaves a laptop in the backseat with the window rolled down? You're just asking for it to be taken.. Who does that? You have to have less than two brain cells to do that..."
After he said I almost immediately considered the perhaps slight possibility that she could have done that on purpose for bait, then again I don't know all the detail of the situation so it's possible she couldn't have been expecting him to visit and set up a trap, depending on how spiteful she is and the veracity of their feud. Also, there was a dude who seemed to be enfp there and it seemed as if he sort of considered the same thing.. We both didn't say anything out after he said that but I think I noticed him thinking about something, and then the "intj" dude seemed to notice something about our lack of response then the topic more or less changed. Also, the "enfp" dude could have just been stoned and been thinking about something else the whole time.

Also, I'd suppose I feel remotely bad for the stereotypical lack of socialization that's apparently documented. I'd consider it a con because I would just feel bad for them for some reason. I mean, I also have issues working with people but it seems kind of different from the intj approach, not to compare myself or anything. If I say anything more it'll be too easy for someone to have a certain idea about what was said, and if they publicly say anything it'll be too easy for me to say, "But, no, because...." for however long that can last with however much material is available, pointing out any semi arbitrary, on one side at least, slight differences between two or more models, in other words, it might be becoming a different topic/conversation but if elaboration is requested further discussion may or may not be possible.

Pros: They can be pretty cool, I guess. For certain people, perhaps, good conversation can potentially be had due to their stereotypical interests, if any value is placed on the fact that some people had a "conversation".

"Did you see him?"
"Yeah"
"What was he doing?"
"Standing there.. Like he's better than everyone!"

He obviously heard that exchange and it seemed to make him happy. So, that type of interaction/communication is probably semi valuable, but you might have to be kind of careful. It's somewhat commendable if anything. Can be annoying when they get too hardcore with it, and spot on I might add. INFJ obviously probably do it too, particularly females maybe, um, perhaps not withstanding the "fact" that it's valued amongst a decent female demographic in at least the USA, Australia, and France, whether it be dominant or inferior... I guess. It can be good because it suggests a certain amount of awareness ("carpe diem"/"live in the moment" is lame; i've always favored referring to "it" as being aware - loosely related to whatever the hell it was that i was talking about) but again, can be annoying when they get too hardcore with it because in certain interactions it might be suggested that one party must be careful with their communication, maybe depending on how manipulative one is attempting to be, if they don't care then feel free to do or say whatever, which can really go either way as far as manipulation goes, because the other party can still be amused, but the worry would come from conveying a potentially arbitrary piece of information but the 'person who favors previously expressed idea' could be overly creative with the interpretation and conclude a certain thing which would basically then equal mind games, I guess.

So, as far as pros go, they're pretty cool and individualistic I suppose. I seem to be sort of put off by their work ethic, though.
 

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care to copy paste some of the latter for a lazy fekker who cba register?
 
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care to copy paste some of the latter for a lazy fekker who cba register?
One post & thread title should be enough:
Has anyone lurked into an INTP forum?
Was the forum like a splurge of mental vomit with little vomit chunks in each thread?

I was curious what an INTP forum would be like.. I don't think any of their threads stayed on topic, it felt so messy. Made me appreciate this INTJ forum about ----> <---- that much more. :)
Has anyone lurked into an some other forum?
Nyiah said:
Was the forum like a splurge of mental vomit with little vomit chunks in each thread?

I was curious what an some other forum would be like.. I don't think any of their threads stayed on topic, it felt so messy. Made me appreciate this INTJ forum about ----> <---- that much more.
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Control. If I had to summarize good & bad in a single word.
 

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"You cant win a debate against an INTP, in winning you have taught him something and thus, to his mind, he has won. That bit of education is what he wanted"
 

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sorry to be a pain but what you copy pasted is from the archived one, which i could access already. how does the current one differ?
 

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I can access the current one without being registered, are you sure it's not just your computer fucking shit up since it matches the creature which your named after on the forum in age?
 

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"You cant win a debate against an INTP, in winning you have taught him something and thus, to his mind, he has won. That bit of education is what he wanted"

Oh. I didn't know this before. Cool. Good to know.
 

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I can access the current one without being registered, are you sure it's not just your computer fucking shit up since it matches the creature which your named after on the forum in age?

their mobile page requires log-in for some reason.

THD: can't find it still :eek:
 

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The existence of anything outside of INTJforum is an extraneous Voldemort that cannot be named. "Some other forum" is a perfect example of tunnel vision. :D

Oh well, but there are more members who aren't INTJs on INTJf, even the mods are mostly not INTJs. :phear:
 

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To get back on subject, here is a pro/con I have noticed,
About INTJs.


They don't seem to get along with each other, at least for very long. I think this phenomenon is unique to this type.
 

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To get back on subject, here is a pro/con I have noticed,
About INTJs.


They don't seem to get along with each other, at least for very long. I think this phenomenon is unique to this type.

It's because each one of them is highly competitive person, they tend to compete each other.

Wait, I'm one of them. :king-twitter:
 

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haha that's daft & dense

pfft those INTJ's. i'm glad Base Groove escaped alive.

I was there before and still a member as well, but have never posted anything for more than a year. IMO, many members there are INTJs wannabe and actually INTJs are kinda minority there. :phear:
 

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I was there before and still a member as well, but have never posted anything for more than a year. IMO, many members there are INTJs wannabe and actually INTJs are kinda minority there. :phear:

That's what everyone says about every type forum. So where are all these types hiding? :confused:
 

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Probably, because when we read the description of a certain type of MBTI, we feel that type is awesome enough for us. Thus, we want to be that type, even though we're not.

INTP and INTJ are kinda rare and sound "smart", that make people proud to be ones.
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I was there before and still a member as well, but have never posted anything for more than a year. IMO, many members there are INTJs wannabe and actually INTJs are kinda minority there. :phear:
Probably, because when we read the description of a certain type of MBTI, we feel that type is awesome enough for us. Thus, we want to be that type, even though we're not.

INTP and INTJ are kinda rare and sound "smart", that make people proud to be ones.
I don't understand why your existence on INTP or INTJ forum would have a lower quality if you found out that INTP or INTJ constitute a minority there. I don't state that you conclude this.

It is difficult enough for many to type their functions and find their type and you seem to be better at typing people to the point when you easily make this assumption.

Even when the above was true it is the content and exact message + personality that matters and not a way that INTP/INTJ should behave.

I could simply start arguing that I find you more ENFJ than INTJ etc. If we want to have this kind of fun and decision making we would need information and examples along intuitive guessing.
 

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I don't understand why your existence on INTP or INTJ forum would have a lower quality if you found out that INTP or INTJ constitute a minority there. I don't state that you conclude this.

It is difficult enough for many to type their functions and find their type and you seem to be better at typing people to the point when you easily make this assumption.

Even when the above was true it is the content and exact message + personality that matters and not a way that INTP/INTJ should behave.

I could simply start arguing that I find you more ENFJ than INTJ etc. If we want to have this kind of fun and decision making we would need information and examples along intuitive guessing.

No, I wrote that in response to the previous comment about INTJf and "some other forum".

I'd love to be an ENFJ, I taught myself to be an ENTJ for a year though. It didn't work, lol. :cthulhu:
 

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haha that's daft & dense

pfft those INTJ's. i'm glad Base Groove escaped alive.

They killed me.
Is it possible to re-incarnate in INTJ forum? :phear:
 

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No, I wrote that in response to the previous comment about INTJf and "some other forum".

I'd love to be an ENFJ, I taught myself to be an ENTJ for a year though. It didn't work, lol. :cthulhu:
So what pros/cons as an INTJ you see in yourself? I didn't see many personal decriptions from that angle yet.
 

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What do you want to know?
Lots of pros and cons, even for the same "category".

For instance, being direct.
Being direct itself can creates pro and con, it's depending on the kind of person that the INTJs interact to. Some people prefer the direct person because straight to the point, less confusing, less drama. Some other people hate the bluntness of the INTJ and regard the INTJ as an asshole with no feeling.

Tell me the characteristics of the INTJs you know, I bet we can make the pros and cons for each one of the characteristic. :rolleyes:
 

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What do you want to know?
Lots of pros and cons, even for the same "category".

For instance, being direct.
Being direct itself can creates pro and con, it's depending on the kind of person that the INTJs interact to. Some people prefer the direct person because straight to the point, less confusing, less drama. Some other people hate the bluntness of the INTJ and regard the INTJ as an asshole with no feeling.

Tell me the characteristics of the INTJs you know, I bet we can make the pros and cons for each one of the characteristic. :rolleyes:
Well that is why I am asking you :). I don't know many people, given how many people I know well enough none of them is/are an INTJ.

I could harass you in PM's if you like ;).

You mentioned being direct, are you direct towards yourself and others or is it more selective?

I know that it can be daunting to tell a difference from pro and a con, so maybe you could just write a list of traits and behaviours as you did with being direct, then everyone can asess for themselves if it would be good or bad for them.
 

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Well that is why I am asking you :). I don't know many people, given how many people I know well enough none of them is/are an INTJ.

I could harass you in PM's if you like ;).
There were some members tried to harass me on INTJf, I believe I handled them "nicely". :phear:

You mentioned being direct, are you direct towards yourself and others or is it more selective?

I'm always being direct to all people, no matter how long I know them, I don't play special. However, when they get mad at me because of my bluntness, I tend to be somewhat passive-aggressive.

I know that it can be daunting to tell a difference from pro and a con, so maybe you could just write a list of traits and behaviours as you did with being direct, then everyone can asess for themselves if it would be good or bad for them.

I'm not that nice to make the list. :phear:
 

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There were some members tried to harass me on INTJf, I believe I handled them "nicely". :phear:
I'm always being direct to all people, no matter how long I know them, I don't play special. However, when they get mad at me because of my bluntness, I tend to be somewhat passive-aggressive.
I'm not that nice to make the list. :phear:
That's a shame, or was. Off to something now.
 

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That's a shame, or was. Off to something now.

Which one you consider as "shame"?
Being passive-aggressive or "handled" those who tried to harass me through pm?

I guess when I'm upset, I tend to be passive-aggressive, making some metaphors out of angers. lol. I still consider it as being direct though, because all people always get my points, unless they're super dumb. Actually, when I do the passive-aggressive, my "ammo" is more powerful than usual. However, I don't like to be engaged in useless fight, I tend to walk away than stay in the labyrinth of bullshits. :phear: Some people are just not worth my time. :king-twitter:
 

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Which one you consider as "shame"?
Being passive-aggressive or "handled" those who tried to harass me through pm?

I guess when I'm upset, I tend to be passive-aggressive, making some metaphors out of angers. lol. I still consider it as being direct though, because all people always get my points, unless they're super dumb. Actually, when I do the passive-aggressive, my "ammo" is more powerful than usual. However, I don't like to be engaged in useless fight, I tend to walk away than stay in the labyrinth of bullshits. :phear: Some people are just not worth my time. :king-twitter:
Shame in my post would be connected to your lack of interest in responding to my request of describing your traits, or responding to questions in general.

I think you should take it easier. If you don't want to engage that is fine.
 

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Which one you consider as "shame"?
Being passive-aggressive or "handled" those who tried to harass me through pm?

I guess when I'm upset, I tend to be passive-aggressive, making some metaphors out of angers. lol. I still consider it as being direct though, because all people always get my points, unless they're super dumb. Actually, when I do the passive-aggressive, my "ammo" is more powerful than usual. However, I don't like to be engaged in useless fight, I tend to walk away than stay in the labyrinth of bullshits. :phear: Some people are just not worth my time. :king-twitter:

Actually I identify quite strongly with this sentiment,

Especially this part:

I still consider it as being direct though, because all people always get my points, unless they're super dumb

Only thing is, I don't have such an ability to walk away from disputes, at least so early on. I crawl away from a smouldering pile of wreckage,

This is real life I mean, forum flame wars are a little more fun, I think I take things more lightly but the trade off is you have the chance to land more devastating blows where IRL a lot of the devastation comes from, shallow affect
 

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Actually I identify quite strongly with this sentiment,

Especially this part:



Only thing is, I don't have such an ability to walk away from disputes, at least so early on. I crawl away from a smouldering pile of wreckage,

This is real life I mean, forum flame wars are a little more fun, I think I take things more lightly but the trade off is you have the chance to land more devastating blows where IRL a lot of the devastation comes from, shallow affect

There's no difference between online and offline for me.
I always estimate the cost and benefit of every single thing that I do.
If the cost is higher than the benefit, it's so stupid to stay in disputes, regardless of online or offline. :D
 

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If an INTJ takes a strong stand on being non-judgmental, is (s)he an INTP?

If an INTP takes a strong stand on being non-judgmental, is (s)he an INTJ?
 

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If an INTJ takes a strong stand on being non-judgmental, is (s)he an INTP?

If an INTP takes a strong stand on being non-judgmental, is (s)he an INTJ?

Do you need to revise your question? :phear:
 

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Question:

If an INTJ takes a strong stand on being non-judgmental, is (s)he an INTP?

If an INTP takes a strong stand on being non-judgmental, is (s)he an INTJ?
It happens naturally and needs no resistance.

If I were to force myself to something I would not do it longer than necessary.

Your strong stand is natural for you and this makes you INTP or INTJ.
 
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